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Mini Air Crash Investigation

Mini Air Crash Investigation

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Air Transat Picture: Konstantin von Wedelstaedt
This is the story of Air transat flight 236, On the 24th of august of 2001 an air transat A330 was on its way from toronto pearson international airport to lisbon in portugal. The plane had 293 passengers onboard and 13 crew members on board. The captain was the one at the controls. The plane departed Toronto at 12:52 am UTC with almost 47 tons 94,000 pounds of fuel, which was more than enough for the trip. It was just another regular flight, and at the start that's all it was. As the plane crossed 20 degrees west something came up. At 5:03 am they started seeing unusual oil indications on the right engine, that is engine number 2. The anomaly was reported to the people on the ground at mirabel canada. At 5:33 am the crew got an advisory warning on the right engine. While troubleshooting this error they pulled up the fuel page and they realized that they had a fuel imbalance. They had a fuel imbalance between the left and the right inner wing tanks. To correct this imbalance they started feeding the right engine from the left hand tanks.
At 5:45 am UTC their fuel level got so low that they couldn't make it to Lisbon anymore. They now had to divert, it was their only option they were now aiming to land at Lajes airport. At this point they had 7 tons 15,000 pounds of fuel left. This was perplexing and so the pilots asked the crew members to look out of the windows to see if they could see a stream of fuel from the wing. But in the darkness they couldnt see anything.
At 5:54 am the crew, now faced with a situation in which fuel was disappearing right in front of their eyes, decided to feed both engines from the right fuel tank.
Faced with fuel values that made no sense they contacted the maintenance crew on the ground, they had 4.7 tons of fuel right now 12 tons below the planned value. They suspected a fuel leak in the right inner tanks.The situation was bad as they talked to maintenance techs on the ground the fuel quantities in the left tank had gone down by 1 tonne and 3.2 tons in the right tank.
The maintenance technicians suggested that there might be a leak in the left hand engine and the captain momentarily opted to feed the engines from the left tanks. They now had 1.1 tons of fuel left.
At 6:13 am UTC the worst case scenario started to unfurl, at 39000 feet the right engine failed and with 150 miles to go to get to lajes they were really in a tough spot. They could no longer maintain 39000 feet with one engine, and after letting Santa Maria control know they started a descent. 6:15 am, the pilots reported that they now had 600 kilos of fuel onboard. At 6:23 am it was obvious that things would get worse before they got better and so the first officer declared a mayday call. 3 minutes later the left engine flamed out. They were at 34,500 feet and they had 65 miles to lajes. They prepped the plane to glide as best as they could and they headed for lajes as a glider.
6:31 am the were about 8 Nm from runway 33 and at 13,000 feet. They were too high, the captain let approach know that he was going to conduct a left 360 degree turn to lose altitude. The turn was conducted with the landing gear and the slats out. They did an orbit but they were still a bit too high.
As they were on final approach the captain flew S turns to lose some of that extra altitude.

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@Areyoukiddingme64
@Areyoukiddingme64 3 жыл бұрын
One of my former co-workers was on this flight!! She told us how freaked out the passengers were. They were lucky they had a great pilot!
@roderickcampbell2105
@roderickcampbell2105 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Areyou... Yes, the passengers were very lucky and I'm pretty sure they knew that. This was an amazing story with a happy ending. And THAT was a pilot alright.
@DanielBrown-sn9op
@DanielBrown-sn9op 2 жыл бұрын
Stick and rudder, yes, but closing the cross feed valve would have made the glide unecessary.✈
@PatrickRyan147
@PatrickRyan147 2 жыл бұрын
@@DanielBrown-sn9op I agree.. losing large amounts of fuel from the tank in the right wing is a 'no brainer' that you have a leak in the right engine. What does he do, only feed fuel from the left wing into the same problem engine, thereby dumping tonnes of fuel.
@ciaransherry6021
@ciaransherry6021 2 жыл бұрын
@@PatrickRyan147 Incredible incompetence immediately springs to mind.
@PatrickRyan147
@PatrickRyan147 2 жыл бұрын
@@ciaransherry6021 a rush of 💩 to the 🧠
@RasheedKhan-he6xx
@RasheedKhan-he6xx 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the ones that don't end up in crashes.
@s2gmemes187
@s2gmemes187 3 жыл бұрын
Samee
@shaneatl
@shaneatl 2 жыл бұрын
The passengers REALLY like those too
@deer180
@deer180 2 жыл бұрын
Yea those are always nice
@DanielBrown-sn9op
@DanielBrown-sn9op 2 жыл бұрын
I know, right?
@sammalone7352
@sammalone7352 3 жыл бұрын
Theoretically a plane can glide 10X its altitude. So 390,000 feet in this case. About 74 miles. But they held it longer. Great piloting.
@royalzak2670
@royalzak2670 2 жыл бұрын
why don't they glide more often in order to save fuel. 74 miles is a lot
@cheaterman49
@cheaterman49 2 жыл бұрын
@@royalzak2670 Are they always less than 74 miles from an airport?
@abebuckingham8198
@abebuckingham8198 2 жыл бұрын
@@royalzak2670 Besides having less control of the aircraft the climb to start the glide takes more fuel than simply cruising at the same altitude so it would be most costly.
@Chishannicon
@Chishannicon 2 жыл бұрын
Just popping in to say that the video states that when the second engine went out (and the gliding began), their altitude was 34,500 ft. So they could theoretically glide 345,000 ft. Which is 65.3 miles. The video also states that they were 65 miles away from Lajes Air Base, the airport to which they were diverting, at that point. So it actually worked out perfectly, according to the theoretical math.
@cr10001
@cr10001 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chishannicon But they had to lose a lot of height on arrival at Lajes, so in actual fact their glide slope must have been better than 10:1. A quick google suggests 10:1 for a light aircraft, an airliner should be getting something a bit under 20:1
@sarahalbers5555
@sarahalbers5555 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Mini, great job as usual. Have a wonderful holiday and fly safe (and fast)! Thanks for your top quality posts!
@HailAnts
@HailAnts 3 жыл бұрын
Nobody ever remembers this because two and a half weeks later, ya know, 9/11..
@k.chriscaldwell4141
@k.chriscaldwell4141 3 жыл бұрын
Ya know, Urban Moving Systems day.
@adamengelhart5159
@adamengelhart5159 3 жыл бұрын
@12:14: "Moreover, a fuel advisory was a low-level warning at best." Maybe this is naïve of me, but that seems like it's underselling the situation. Certainly it's important to avoid alarm fatigue, and crew attention is a finite resource, but potentially running out of gas seven miles above the Atlantic strikes me as the kind of thing that deserves to make at least a little noise.
@commerce-usa
@commerce-usa 3 жыл бұрын
Have heard of this flight before. Your report provided the best explanation of the underlying causes and how they were corrected. Outstanding job, thank you for your great work. Wonderful to see you approaching 50k subscribers!
@jjohnsonTX
@jjohnsonTX 3 жыл бұрын
High pucker factor, for the time after second engine flamed out.
@Kanbei11
@Kanbei11 2 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine the pure silence with no engines?
@Jet-Pack
@Jet-Pack 3 жыл бұрын
@5:40 that approach was about 10 or 15 knots to slow and the flare significantly too high. Try to aim for 135 knots and only slightly raise the nose at 20 feet above the runway next time :) The second and third approaches and landings also had some issues... This was distracting me quite a bit from the actual air crash investigation. Also all of the flight mode annunciator indications are wrong. The vertical mode cannot be CLB when the thrust mode is SPEED. And the lateral mode is never empty on the Airbus. The most basic mode is HDG and if no other mode is available HDG is selected. And in the last column A/THR is not indicated even though thrust mode is in SPEED. Now I can only guess that this is the MSFS A320 or a modded A330 based on that... I'd use literally everything else instead. It can't get much more unrealistic than that.
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s a convert or something like that it’s not a native MSFS 2020 Airplane. The thing flies like a brick the v2 speed is like 80 knots 😂
@NikanDragosysSerpenDra
@NikanDragosysSerpenDra 2 жыл бұрын
actually its slats unlock and a 170knots landing and in the actualy incident captain didn't extend the gear early, during the orbit maybe
@NikanDragosysSerpenDra
@NikanDragosysSerpenDra 2 жыл бұрын
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation like a brick? thats unrealistic
@F_Tim1961
@F_Tim1961 3 жыл бұрын
Correction - you should say "the captain was the pilot flying " that is the correct terminology. Not "at the controls", which sounds Amateur hr. As a Fun Facts note, the captain is ALWAYS the PIC (pilot in command) unless he is dead en route. However he can be either Pilot flying or not. This latter is critical for log book entries and also who pays for parking tickets, scratches, giving the $hts to ATC and of those fun things. Tim FIdler - N Zealand.
@revenevan11
@revenevan11 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the good info and fun facts, that kind of terminology/phraseology and being precise with it (especially in radio comms) is critically important in aviation from what I understand from a lot of these videos. As a non-pilot who eventually wants to learn, I find it fascinating!
@F_Tim1961
@F_Tim1961 3 жыл бұрын
@@revenevan11 you probably find it fascinating that some Bozos on the night shift can follow the rules as it were and still create such a screw up that it will drown you and everyone on board. The best thing for an aircraft after a serious bit of Heavy Maint is a Test flight - by ANYONE ELSE than yours truly !! (this is a common expression in civil aviation). TEF
@deona267
@deona267 2 жыл бұрын
All things happen for a reason , and I am thrilled no one was hurt. But , furthermore we are all winners due to this incident.
@tenpiloto
@tenpiloto 3 жыл бұрын
This abnormallly high fuel burn should have been evident--at each waypoint on the flight plan actual fuel quantity (shown on gauges) is compared to the flight plan calculated fuel quality. They also didn't pay attention to the correct checklist.
@change_your_oil_regularly4287
@change_your_oil_regularly4287 3 жыл бұрын
Woohoo 👍
@Sierrahtl
@Sierrahtl 3 жыл бұрын
Thank goodness for the Azores..
@frederickmackay2234
@frederickmackay2234 3 жыл бұрын
Note at 6.12 the thrust reversers deployed on non functioning engines on touchdown
@F_Tim1961
@F_Tim1961 3 жыл бұрын
Look at this beauty that I found on Wiki... this made my day "In 1983, Piché served 16 months of a 5-year sentence in prison after a plane he landed solo at a small airfield in the state of Georgia was found to be full of marijuana smuggled from Jamaica. He was pardoned in 2000 and is considered fully rehabilitated.". But nothing is like the Buzz that will git ya when you glide 65 Nm in a gliding tin can with only one chance of landing. I bet Piche swore to stay off he Ganga after the first incident and definitely did not inhale after the second one. :-) Tim Fidler ROTFL ... in NZ.
@BillyAlabama
@BillyAlabama 3 жыл бұрын
This is excellent!
@daklakdigital3691
@daklakdigital3691 2 жыл бұрын
Much has conveniently been omitted in Captain Pichet's remarkable career. He retired from Air Transat and aviation in 2021. The following is from public data and news sources. When Captain Pichet started his career pilot opens were scarce but he started flying light aircraft between South America and small landing strips in the USA avoiding all border formalities. These illegal entries into US airspace and landing quickly to avoid radar required special skills to land fast, unload the freight and fly away to a legal port of entry. These special, and unusual skills were glibly described in the video as "S" turns. Eventually Captain Pichet was arrested for breaching US regulations, imprisoned and released to Canada. It was Captain Pichet's experience in landing using sides lips, and used in landing the Air Transat flight, commented on in detail by passengers who had never experienced aeronautical such flying techniques. May Captain Pichet enjoy his well earned retirement.
@FalcoGer
@FalcoGer 2 жыл бұрын
You really like to say "too little, too late."
@momchilandonov
@momchilandonov 2 жыл бұрын
Noticeably lower volume than the previous video :(.
@bobdylan2843
@bobdylan2843 3 жыл бұрын
I like this channel
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
And I like you for watching :)
@palker4
@palker4 3 жыл бұрын
this was in the first ACI episode i have seen
@susanolson3611
@susanolson3611 2 жыл бұрын
🙂
@mboyer68
@mboyer68 3 жыл бұрын
Your tons to pounds calculations are wrong. 2000lbs per ton. Simple calculation.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 2 жыл бұрын
Actually it’s 2204.62lb to 1 tonne
@karachiroadtrips9759
@karachiroadtrips9759 3 жыл бұрын
Improve your voice quality
@jonmcfarmer6954
@jonmcfarmer6954 3 жыл бұрын
This is the result of incompetent flight crew and maintenance people! Lucky wise this time it ended ok.
@rdbchase
@rdbchase 3 жыл бұрын
NOT "fuel issue [sic]"!!! If you want to use casual English to describe what could have caused this airplane to crash, say "fuel problem"!
@skylark.kraken
@skylark.kraken 3 жыл бұрын
The flight simulator in the background was distractingly bad, you might need some practice with your landings.
@homejain4135
@homejain4135 3 жыл бұрын
This was my first episode of the non mini Air crash investigation and started my love of aviation, listening to your version years later now made my day. Great Job!!
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your kind words
@hazevthewolf178
@hazevthewolf178 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that the captain got the recognition he deserved for successfully landing that plane. BTW, I'm in California, work overnights, and I'm often pleasantly surprised by seeing a new video from you just as I get home.
@gasdive
@gasdive 3 жыл бұрын
The recognition he deserved would be to pull his licence. The most incredible series of stupid mistakes. When he did finally divert he was totally fixated on making it to his chosen field and ditching in the attempt, if it wasn't for ATC almost forcing him to accept a closer airport he'd have ditched in the ocean at night. He ordered a pointless emergency evacuation on an aircraft that didn't have a drop of fuel left and cold engines. He pumped fuel across to the leaking tank directly opposite to the instructions in the manual. He botched the landing. He didn't divert in a timely fashion. He literally could not have handled it any worse.
@F_Tim1961
@F_Tim1961 3 жыл бұрын
@@gasdive I agree Lufthansa or Swiss air (Eg) simply could not have managed such a series of cock ups one after another. Anglo or Teutonic discipline should win out every time, I hope . If you drink lots of wine and eat snails .... no I won't go on...
@JacquesPPage
@JacquesPPage 3 жыл бұрын
@@gasdive So you, as a world renowned expert, have the right diagnostic, contrary to all those dimwits who made the investigation and concluded that yes, the crew made some mistakes, all explained by understandable circumstances and faulty training, but in the end, managed the situation remarkably. Like the video says, this incident lead to many improvements in plane design, pilot training and of course, maintenance procedures. I wonder why we don't have more "experts" like you...
@gasdive
@gasdive 3 жыл бұрын
@@JacquesPPage I'm far from the only world renowned expert who can work out that landing at an airport is better than ditching in the sea at night. It was pretty obviously a national face saving exercise. Particularly in the face of the incident investigation which concluded it was primarily pilot error.
@francoisfortin5826
@francoisfortin5826 3 жыл бұрын
Some Quebeckers still remember this incident!!! Merry Christmas from Quebec and a great 2021 !!!! No more pandemic please!!!
@marc-andreservant201
@marc-andreservant201 3 жыл бұрын
And we made a movie out of it. These pilots are true heroes.
@ericbosken3114
@ericbosken3114 3 жыл бұрын
This was brilliant airmanship and proof that proper training and procedures can make even extremely dangerous situations survivable.
@harrisrusso4714
@harrisrusso4714 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry
@cdavlogs5597
@cdavlogs5597 3 жыл бұрын
But his landings are not! Lol!
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
Lol totally agree. The planes an fsx convert and it flies like a brick it either flies at like 180 or 110 knots so landing is super tricky
@ajcook7777
@ajcook7777 2 жыл бұрын
Canadian airmanship is taken very seriously, we unfortunately have the longest glide ever (A330 - Air Transat 236, Robert Piche and Dirk De Jager, 2001) and the first ever 767 total engine failure landing (Gimli Glider, Captain Bob Pearson, First Officer Maurice Quintal 1983)
@roderickcampbell2105
@roderickcampbell2105 2 жыл бұрын
@@cdavlogs5597 Hi CDA. So you know it was not a smooth landing :-) He blew most of the tyres. How dare he? I don't think anyone complained though.
@mindtouchone
@mindtouchone 3 жыл бұрын
You have a new format and the colors are beautiful. This video is "as good as it gets".
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
Oh it could be better. The first half is actually a simulation of what happened but I couldn’t get the visuals and the narration to sync up in a natural way so I was like you know what I’ll let the video do it’s thing.
@zrspangle
@zrspangle 3 жыл бұрын
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation do you make the simulation footage before or after the commentary?
@Larpy1933
@Larpy1933 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks for the micro-detailed rundown on the hydraulic line chafing the fuel line. I was never before aware of the exact reason for the fuel leak. Also, I was pleased and thankful for your summary of what was learned and how procedures, checklists, instrumentation etc. was updated to help prevent a recurrence of the unrecognized fuel leak. 5 stars for sure.
@eucliduschaumeau8813
@eucliduschaumeau8813 2 жыл бұрын
The pilot was an experienced glider pilot in addition to being a seasoned passenger jet pilot. It seems that his experience with glider planes helped a great deal in the positive outcome of this incident.
@NikanDragosysSerpenDra
@NikanDragosysSerpenDra 2 жыл бұрын
yup
@teacherzhou4130
@teacherzhou4130 3 жыл бұрын
Hey you could make a video about Federal Express flight 705, The 2002 Uberlingen Mid Air Collision, the Tan Son Nhut C-5 Galaxy accident, and Alaska Airlines flight 261
@HavokTheorem
@HavokTheorem 3 жыл бұрын
I was just about to finish my air crash video binge and then I saw this. Thanks my man!
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like you lucked out
@scottmoseley5122
@scottmoseley5122 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job. Getting better and better! I had never heard of this Glider....thanx
@rposton919
@rposton919 3 жыл бұрын
More eyes can prevent incidents, like maybe a Flight Engineer? But what I know...
@shadetreader
@shadetreader 3 жыл бұрын
Bring back flight engineers!
@Democracyyy
@Democracyyy 3 жыл бұрын
The pilots still did a good job
@aymanirfanshah
@aymanirfanshah 3 жыл бұрын
yes, they did. it's a very long glide that saved souls on board.
@Democracyyy
@Democracyyy 3 жыл бұрын
@@aymanirfanshah agreed
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
Hey so totally did. Fun fact I tried what they did in the sim and I couldn’t even do it on the easiest settings
@kevinbarry71
@kevinbarry71 3 жыл бұрын
They did a very good job lending the glider. They did an absolutely horrible job in managing the situation up to that point. If they had done their job correctly they never would've run out of fuel
@aymanirfanshah
@aymanirfanshah 3 жыл бұрын
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation it is very challenging to recreate it in a simulator though
@nb2008nc
@nb2008nc 3 жыл бұрын
Lucky for this flight the Azores happened to be around when it ran out of gas.
@ursodermatt8809
@ursodermatt8809 3 жыл бұрын
a fuel imbalance! first that came to my mind was: fuel leak! next to reading the manual they should have monitored for the obvious and not just waited till both tanks run dry.
@williamhaynes7089
@williamhaynes7089 3 жыл бұрын
does the a330 APU have a backup fuel supply? or was this all on battery?
@flyingbeaver57
@flyingbeaver57 3 жыл бұрын
Battery and a small ram air turbine, if I remember correctly. Also a "one shot" pressurization bottle for braking. Diddly. Captain Bob Piche was a very experienced bush pilot before he began flying commercial jets, and also had flown gliders for an extended period. Both parts of this prior flying contributed to his airmanship. The First Officer was likewise a very skilled high-time pilot.
@revenevan11
@revenevan11 3 жыл бұрын
@@flyingbeaver57 Pilots with glider experience always seem to pull off awesome feats of airmanship in these videos/situations, it reminds me of Captain Sully and his "Miracle on the Hudson." Of course maybe I'm biased since I got to take a couple of lessons in gliders before the pandemic ;) lol.
@rilmar2137
@rilmar2137 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! I am always so happy to hear that everyone in the crash has survived
@garysmith3097
@garysmith3097 3 жыл бұрын
Good video! You rocked the graphics on this one. Maybe you'll give The Flight Channel a run for his money:) By the way there is an excellent movie that was made about Captain Piche. The film does an excellent job of showing that 360 degree slingshot maneuver to lose altitude.
@mnandor
@mnandor 3 жыл бұрын
Love the videos. My favourite part is when you say "moreover'.
@littleandroid75
@littleandroid75 3 жыл бұрын
why you didn't mention in your story that due to heavy traffic the controller (who didn't know anything about the situation on board) ordered to deviate to the right from the original, thus making the aircraft closer to the lajer airport. And another very important think, neither of the pilots believed that this was fuel leak.
@nikischneiter1384
@nikischneiter1384 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely wonderful videos! You do a remarkable job on these! Thank you!
@MannyDelaCruzBOOM4U
@MannyDelaCruzBOOM4U 3 жыл бұрын
That is an impressive glide ratio. From 34,500ft to 13,000 over 65 miles. Or in other words, losing 100ft of altitude for every 1,800ft of distance traveled. Or losing 331ft of altitude for every nautical mile traveled. Roughly. Fully loaded. Seriously stretching it....
@cr10001
@cr10001 2 жыл бұрын
18:1 glide ratio - that looks about right. Airliners should ideally get something approaching 20:1.
@Root3264
@Root3264 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are just fantastic, please know that!
@amanofmanyparts9120
@amanofmanyparts9120 3 жыл бұрын
There was a similar (and potentially worse) scenario when the aircraft fuelers couldn't work out the ratio of pounds (US terminology) to kilos (rest of the World) when calculating the fuel needed for a certain flight over a long distance of ocean. Only the professionalism of the aircrew kept them in the air until the backup 'fan' based hydraulics and electronics generator finally popped out and gave them power to control the avionics.
@F_Tim1961
@F_Tim1961 3 жыл бұрын
I believe that was an ac that was fuelled in Canada. The fueler was at fault but the a/crew did not check the fuel ticket carefully. The fan based bizzo you talk about is the RAT - the ram air turbine. It is interesting that although basically all decent sized AC have an APU which is JA-1 (kerosine fuel powered), the designers in the end don't trust that to work ( You'd think an NR Valve and an aux fuel tank would be enough). The APU powers a small alternator and when on the ground the aircon packs. So the modern plane gets equipped with a RAT as well. So there are hopefully no mice hidden on an a/c , But ya gottaa hope that the RAT is still there !! :-) T E FIdler - former sailplane pilot and GA pilot.. NZ
@legitscoper3259
@legitscoper3259 3 жыл бұрын
Yo... what were these ... "Landing attempts" in the background footage?
@PRH123
@PRH123 3 жыл бұрын
The video seems to have nothing to do with the narration, just some random planes flying around. The video shows the plane bouncing and going around but the narration says nothing about a go around
@chris-hayes
@chris-hayes 3 жыл бұрын
I think it shows the "actual" landing the first time, and then outtakes thereafter.
@lucasgasenzer
@lucasgasenzer 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. Just please crank up your microphone a little. The difference between your narration and advertisements is much to high.
@Naxima18
@Naxima18 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos but on this incident feels like the information is innacurate and the simulation shown is far from what is described or what actually happened... However I must admit professional pilots in a CAE simulator were also not able to do it on first try (they came in too fast and landed too far).
@goodfella2400
@goodfella2400 3 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos where you show actual pictures and videos more so than these examples that rely 100% on FS2020 re-run loops.
@kanelupis
@kanelupis 3 жыл бұрын
holy moly, you gotta working on your MSFS landings bro.
@mikeyhau
@mikeyhau 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your work. We can always rely on Mini Air Crash Investigation for a clear explanation of the issues involved in an incident.
@Kiran_360_movement
@Kiran_360_movement 3 жыл бұрын
I've flown aboard this plane in 2014
@Kiran_360_movement
@Kiran_360_movement 3 жыл бұрын
I knew that through registration no. of that plane
@jaimhaas5170
@jaimhaas5170 3 жыл бұрын
So in summary...big leak caused by bad install? Did heads roll?
@livescript4462
@livescript4462 3 жыл бұрын
Everything's cool until the video's about a plane that took off from your local airport o.o
@nighttguyy
@nighttguyy 3 жыл бұрын
Milton?
@livescript4462
@livescript4462 3 жыл бұрын
@@nighttguyy toronto (:
@rogerhuber3133
@rogerhuber3133 2 жыл бұрын
And the airlines want to remove the pilots and go robotic flying? Who'll read the QRH and figure out this stuff? I'm not a big fan of the pompous bus drivers but I'll never get on a pilot-less A/C.
@justingrey6008
@justingrey6008 3 жыл бұрын
How did you make out finding the books you were looking for? University of michigan digitized a bunch of them a while back.
@kolasom
@kolasom 2 жыл бұрын
Captain Piche was also cited as partially to blame for the incident for not realizing there was an obvious fuel leak. Good job landing the plane though.
@syrthdr09sybr34
@syrthdr09sybr34 2 жыл бұрын
No doubt pilots are getting complacent due to so much automation in planes. And bad part is that at the end neither the pilot or the computers are really flying the plane without the need for the other.
@rctopfueler2841
@rctopfueler2841 Жыл бұрын
man how do airlines survive wasting soo much fuel every year? its 5 bucks a gallon for gas here and kerosene at 3 bucks a gallon
@uzaiyaro
@uzaiyaro 2 жыл бұрын
It kinda spins me out to think that this probably could have been entirely avoided by the creative use of zip ties to disallow the lines to chafe.
@SpaNT650
@SpaNT650 Жыл бұрын
Why do airplanes not have high powered lights And CC cameras they can turn on to check their engines?
@yulaviation3868
@yulaviation3868 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid! I’ve heard of this accident before and I’ve seen many videos documentaries about it but this is one of the best!
@claudemaassen2963
@claudemaassen2963 3 жыл бұрын
There is a movie made in Quebec, about this incident.
@bhamptonkc7
@bhamptonkc7 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like they failed to isolate the leak for a long time.
@edwin3928ohd
@edwin3928ohd 3 жыл бұрын
Do onboard systems these days understand when more fuel is being used than should, and issue an advisory? The pilots didnt know they were losing fuel because the systems wait until fuel is low. If a computer algorithm said "something might be wrong" earlier this could have had a better outcome.
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 3 жыл бұрын
I believe some of the newest airbuses do trigger a warning. I know the A350 displays 2 values. Fuel on board and the sun of the fuel on board at takeoff-fuel burnt. If the FOB is much less than the other value then you are looking at a fuel leak
@KaiHenningsen
@KaiHenningsen 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomstravels520 Still sounds like decades-old computer standards. These days, I'd expect a computer to look at the differential (speed of fuel consumption) and alert if that goes on for longer than explainable by momentary glitches in measurement. "Fuel consumption significantly higher than explainable by what your engines are supposed to be doing". It's not all that hard to do in software. And it catches a multitude of problems. (And then there'd always be a generic "measurements of sensors don't fit into any available model" alert, possibly in easier-to-understand language, a sort of general "help, something's wrong and I have no clue" from the computer. But that needs the computer to actually try and fit the data to a model. Oh, maybe I see. If everything they have is isolated to one sub-system, and there is no general computer looking at the overall picture ... wait, didn't I say decades-old computer standards? Still fits.)
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 3 жыл бұрын
@@KaiHenningsen you fuel consumption and fuel burnt can still be the same even with a leaky fuel tank. If you went for a drive in your car that does 55mpg but you had a hole in the tank, when you come back your trip computer would still say you’ve done 55mpg because that’s what it recorded going into the engine. However if you did a manual calculation of how much fuel you’ve used compared to how many miles you travelled you’d actually get a much lower number because your trip computer doesn’t measure how quickly fuel is being used up. It only calculates how much fuel goes into the engine. Up until recently it was the same for aircraft which is why pilots had to manually calculate the fuel they started with them minus the fuel burnt and compare that value to the actual fuel on board and make sure there is no massive difference
@KaiHenningsen
@KaiHenningsen 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomstravels520 If it's still the same as with no leak, then the leak is (currently) not dangerous, and a lack of urgent warning isn't the end of the world. Sure, would still be nice to be warned, but you're not in danger of falling from the sky because your tanks are suddenly empty. But IF there's a major discrepancy - might be a leak, might be something else I can't even think of - then it sure would be nice to be alerted to that as soon as possible, when you still have lots of options, and not late, when you have very few options left. Which was essentially my point: have a computer look at the data from _every_ sensor, and do an alert when the combination of the sensors doesn'Ät match any version of the "regular flight" model. Even just listing the sensors whose measurements don't go together would be a help. Of course, if you can give a more concrete diagnosis (such as "you're losing fuel somehow") is even better. None of that is a guarantee to find every problem, but it surely helps to make sure people _do_ notice problems when there _is_ enough information available to notice.
@momchilandonov
@momchilandonov 2 жыл бұрын
I like how bad the landing attempts are on those videos 10:10 as an example :D.
@teacherzhou4130
@teacherzhou4130 3 жыл бұрын
Hey make a video about United Airlines flight 232
@F_Tim1961
@F_Tim1961 3 жыл бұрын
Man that has be done to death over and over and over. (The turbine at the rear fails and severs all the hydraulics and yet the a/c is still able to crash land with about 90 percent or more of the souls on board surviving). United airlines were not at fault on this one. It was an OMD (mafr defect) that could not be found in service. Frightening stuff ie it could happen again.
@RailsofForney
@RailsofForney 3 жыл бұрын
How ironic such a hard landing from a butter machine.
@Glen.Danielsen
@Glen.Danielsen Жыл бұрын
It still boggles my mind that a machine that heavy can have any glide ratio at all. 😶
@65sunnyday
@65sunnyday 3 жыл бұрын
Good job of describing this incident. Thank you!
@LSZB_Airport_Spotter
@LSZB_Airport_Spotter 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the history👍🏼😉😍😍
@dex1lsp
@dex1lsp 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody glides better than Canadians!
@BIG-DIPPER-56
@BIG-DIPPER-56 Жыл бұрын
One of the more refreshing stories ! ! ! 🙂😎👍
@sbrmilitia
@sbrmilitia 3 жыл бұрын
If they had a sam club card they could have stopped for fuel. They have the best prices.
@deweywatts8456
@deweywatts8456 3 жыл бұрын
Their sister store wally world stinks. Understaffing and checking each bag like a common criminal.
@tookitogo
@tookitogo 3 жыл бұрын
@@deweywatts8456 You don’t have to show your bag at Walmart. Since you never signed an agreement agreeing to allow it, they can ask, but can’t demand it. You can just walk by.
@deweywatts8456
@deweywatts8456 3 жыл бұрын
@@tookitogo They need to have that story on one of those lawyers on YT.
@pantherplatform
@pantherplatform 2 жыл бұрын
I like the one that just a car alarm
@theelite856
@theelite856 3 жыл бұрын
Why didn’t they ask control tower where the closet airport was when they noticed fuel missing
@tomstravels520
@tomstravels520 3 жыл бұрын
Depending where they were they may not have had comms. VHF relies on line of sight and SATCOM wasn’t really around then I don’t think so they’d be relying on HF
@wendymelvins2459
@wendymelvins2459 2 жыл бұрын
Why did they evacuate the plane?
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311
@mrkiplingreallywasanexceed8311 2 жыл бұрын
Always a clear and simple, yet detailed and logical explanation narrated in a pleasant and engaging manner - it reminds me almost of a travelling storyteller making his way through the provinces of Hungary, Bohemia and Bavaria in the sixteenth century bringing enthralling tales to a wide-eyed and avid audience, of legendary heroes and swashbuckling drama full of mythical beasts, damsels in distress and nefarious villains!! A quaint and traditional skill which our charming host wields with an innate feel for the pace and tension of the events recounted! All without missing a beat and revealing true spezzatura....much, much harder to do than he makes it seem👌
@PelenTan
@PelenTan 3 жыл бұрын
Ok. I'm bad with names and dates. So when I began listening to this, I thought this was a repeat. Until you got to their landing location. Then I knew you were talking about the exact same situation that Air France flight had had. And the pilots made the exact same stupid errors. "Oh the gauges say we're losing fuel so the gauges must be wrong!" I was barely able to say "ok, this can happen once". Twice? No. I don't fly any more. Primarily because of the idiocy you have to go through just boarding a plane. But also because the pilots seem to be getting stupider and stupider.
@matthewc.419
@matthewc.419 3 жыл бұрын
Iv attached the mobile stairs to that plane @ Manchester airport ..... The middle door is so close the engines ......!!!! Very hard to step it !!!!!!!
@stanislavkostarnov2157
@stanislavkostarnov2157 3 жыл бұрын
as far as I understand they did do the step of checking for fuel leak but it was based on the last report... also there main reference fuel data was from the final transfer tank (intake_minus_consumption)... this did not show the fuel lost on the way from the reserve/long-haul tanks, from which the reserve was being topped up. also the complex oil readings were (from the information I heard) likely the result of an also ruptured oil line in thesame 'bundle' or 'bracket'... this also resulted in fuel getting into the oil system giving normally impossible temp & pressure data on the oil instruments due to the mix having properties different from oil.
@NikanDragosysSerpenDra
@NikanDragosysSerpenDra 2 жыл бұрын
lol you had IDLE?
@rdbchase
@rdbchase 3 жыл бұрын
It's not clear that systems now enable crew to quickly diagnose where fuel is leaking if it is; I was somewhat distracted. The pilot decided that his gauges were wrong -- this does happen, but diagnosis is entirely particular to whichever system is involved?
@sriomsangeettripathy4681
@sriomsangeettripathy4681 3 жыл бұрын
Which game is used for footage?
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
FS2020
@sriomsangeettripathy4681
@sriomsangeettripathy4681 3 жыл бұрын
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation PC Specs???
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation
@MiniAirCrashInvestigation 3 жыл бұрын
I5-9300H 16 gigs of ram 1660ti
@francispitts9440
@francispitts9440 2 жыл бұрын
You do a great job at describing all the important information without belaboring any minutiae and your graphics are great. It all ties in and we get a good overall idea of what happened. I enjoy hearing about the successful landings where everyone is ok. It’s amazing how good some of these pilots are.
@Aparanoidpunk6
@Aparanoidpunk6 3 жыл бұрын
Please make a video on air alliance fligh 7412 which crashed in Patna airport VEPT on 17th july 2000
@killingfields1424
@killingfields1424 3 жыл бұрын
The chief technician should be sacked and stripped of their license so that they can no longer work as aircraft technician and repeat the same mistake. The chief technician should not cleared the A330 without prior inspection and test runs when it comes to engine and fuel and hydraulic systems
@stephenphillip5656
@stephenphillip5656 2 жыл бұрын
Superb flying skills saved the day. I'm amazed (& relieved) that there was no fire as a result of that fuel leak though.
@jamesstuart3346
@jamesstuart3346 2 жыл бұрын
Gimli Glider 2.0
@kidpagronprimsank05
@kidpagronprimsank05 3 жыл бұрын
Azores glider
@williamfeilhauer
@williamfeilhauer 2 жыл бұрын
Me too
@mi7ch247
@mi7ch247 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the crash of the flight that crashed into Mount Dandenong in Victoria, Australia
@fluffy-fluffy5996
@fluffy-fluffy5996 3 жыл бұрын
So Uni Air flight 873 🙂 Merry Christmas 🎄
@carcrafter6516
@carcrafter6516 3 жыл бұрын
I love the A330
@maulanwong3841
@maulanwong3841 3 жыл бұрын
So do i
@enoughofyourkoicarp
@enoughofyourkoicarp 3 жыл бұрын
It's a good thing that pilot was an experienced glider pilot.
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