No Indexing Head...Not a problem - Take a look

This video will show you a creative way to manually index your round parts in a mill vise for precision flats or precise hole patterns. When you don't have an indexing head or care to spend a ton of money to get the job done, this may be your solution.

[@billdlv]

Great tips, would be interested in which flavor of VHB tape you are using. Also great suggestion on checking your collet blocks, it's possible when they are ground that the points which rest on the base of the vise are not all the same distance to center. I measured mine and it is around 0.001 which is plenty good for the things I'm doing.

[@joepie221]

I have 4930, 70-0160-2961-6 and 4950, 70-0160-2962-4. The 4930 is .026 thick and the 4950 is .045. My exposure to the entire line is limited, so there may be thinner. Be careful how much of this you use, it is really strong.

[@billdlv]

Thanks for the reply. Where I used to work they had $$ and we used transfer adhesive 9469 which is only 5 mil thick. We also used another 3m double back tape and I don't remember the # which is why I posted the comment. I've had good results for rough work with polyken 105C which is 11 mils and is inexpensive.

[@tesladrummer]

465 and 467 are good choices and .002" thick. The 465 has glass fiber interwoven with the adhesive which makes it tend to peel off without tearing. The 467 is solvent resistant and may hold up better with coolant. Here is a link to McMaster-Carr's adhesive transfer tape page: www.mcmaster.com/#adhesive-transfer-tape/=19s264m 467 1/2"x60yd is ~$13 vs 493 1/2"x5yd for ~$23.

[@mcdowell356]

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[@daxtonlukas8892]

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[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

As always useful information that you don't see any place else. Thanks for the video.

[@johnmann8662]

Where were you when I was 18? I'm over 70 now and it looks like I wasted 50 years doing dumb things to accomplish end results that you make look so easy. "Why didn't I think of that!" Another great video chock full of cool ideas Joe. Keep em coming! Thanks for sharing, and happy new year to you and yours too!

[@kyleoglee]

As a self taught hobby machinist, I find your videos so valuable! I just want to offer my thanks to you for offering up your vast knowledge. Much appreciated sir! Liked, subbed, and am enjoying each one more than the last.

[@joepie221]

Thanks. Fly safe.

[@cobiaslayer683]

Joe you have an unlimited bag of tricks up your sleeve. I greatly appreciate all the videos that you make and share your knowledge

[@armdaMan]

Hello there Cap'n Another ingenious solution for a manual machinist. Brilliant. We reiterate, we never stop learning from U. Thanks a zillion for showing and sharing ATB For 2018 as well aRM

[@joepie221]

Hey guys, good to hear from you. Thanks for checking in.

[@johnathanjones6152]

Im a Machinist with 11 years in shops, you teach me new stuff all the time! Thank you !!

[@joepie221]

Excellent. You have to keep learning. Especially in this trade.

[@chexstix]

Joe, these videos are reliably great fun to watch and super educational. Thanks for making them!

[@hootinouts]

Joe, thank you for sharing your expertise. I'm a veteran machinist who left the field many years ago but am slowly building a small home machine shop. Since I have no plans on using my equipment for profit I cannot justify purchasing expensive accessories like a dividing head. A few years ago, before I came across your wonderful video here, I was conceptualizing something in the order of your pin indexer and now I know that I am on the right track. I want to apply the same principal to something akin to a sine plate for orienting flat work pieces in my milling machine vise. God willing, I will get to make this and share it on KZbin.

[@patwicker1358]

Another practical way of doing things that even us guys in hobby shops can use. Thank you!!

[@stanwooddave9758]

Thank you so much for taking the time to shoot, edit, upload your idea's and to share with the world of youtube.

[@beydlercnc]

I enjoy these videos. Always learning the repetitive things to stay sharp and in the game. Keep them coming!

[@hebrewhammer1000]

Thank you very much for your thorough and in-depth explanations. Looking forwarded to the next video.

[@Reman1975]

Seeing you do this brings forth a memory from years ago. A mate used to have a little jobbing workshop, and one customer used to come in a few weeks before Christmas every year and order the same 24 identical parts. All they were was around 4" long lengths of chunky stainless threaded rod, that had a square of spanner flats milled onto one end. It seems they were used as shaft tensioners in some sort of industrial conveyer fed bread baking oven. One time I watched my mate make some of them. He grabbed a 4" square slab of pig iron plate he'd made several years earlier, and a big nut. The plate had a threaded hole through it's centre. He screwed that onto a length "All thread", and used the nut as a locknut to immobilise this plate. He then used that to align the threaded rod in a really large v block he'd bolted to his mill's table, before clamping everything down . The thing is, he wasn't using the flats of this square as reference, he was just rotating the threaded rod until a corner of the plate touched his mill table. For some reason this way of indexing a part just felt so wrong to me, but I couldn't explain why. I 've since realise that they were just one of those "ah, that'll be good enough" class of jobs that didn't have to be NASA grade accurate, just close enough to work and look presentable. His method was VERY quick, easy, and acurate as it needed to be, but It still has the strong odor of wrongness about it though. :)

[@MadeInGreatBritain]

Every day is a school day. Every video of yours I watch, I learn something new

[@thefixerman1]

Thanks Joe for another very well presented video with excellent ideas to help us all in the machine shop. Really appreciated.

[@bernhard5741]

Excellent video! Lots of very useful information. I also appreciate your clear, concise and easy to follow presentation. Your vids are a joy to watch...and being a hobby machinist I am learning alot. Now waiting for your next video! Thank you! Bernhard

[@mrfrog3350]

Thanks Joe! Great stuff as always. The DIY tool, jig and fixture tips you inspire us with are the best ! Happy New Year Buddy!

[@Hix066]

Joe, that plate idea is inspired. From a simple CAD design, I can now come up with all manner of indexing plates. No need to fork out for a dividing head now. Great work man :)

[@WacoA.I.]

Thanks, Joe. Your tips make me look good in the shop.

[@charliespann3967]

Another great video. Lots of good ideas. My fav. is the rubber band on the adjustable parallel . I've been fighting them for years. Thanks again.

[@cogentdynamics]

Thank you for what you do Joe! I love to watch and learn from you and appreciate your efforts.

[@joepie221]

Thanks for watching. I appreciate that.

[@Robonthemoor]

Again fantastic show not a moment I wasn’t riveted to your every word. More more more 😀👍

[@r.j.sworkshop7883]

Thanks as always Joe for sharing all of your tricks.

[@FredMiller]

What a cool indexing method! Thanks for sharing Joe.

[@springwoodcottage4248]

Super useful! It's so nice to be in control, to know that even if you haven't got the exact tool, there are ways to do a good job with out taking a lot of time or using a lot of precision stock. Thank you for starting the New Year with such a good how to.

[@reideichner8597]

Always educational!! Great video, Joe! Thanks!

[@winkworks]

Great tips, Joe! Really enjoy your videos!!

[@jasonrandolph758]

Thanks for taking time to do these videos Joe they are very helpful.

[@ChrisB257]

Thanks Joe - you are a mine of great suggestions. Love that mini divide plate. :)

[@rc166honda]

Brilliant, great video Joe. Many thanks for posting.

[@camarillojohn]

As always , great ideas and great way of presenting it. thank you.

[@Parents_of_Twins]

Great tips. Thanks for sharing some of your wealth of knowledge, much appreciated.

[@393strokedcoupe]

Great tips Joe. I love these, as everyone has to start from somewhere. Cheap, easy and gets the job done! Happy New Year!

[@burtlade1705]

Great presentation as usual Joe! Thank you.

[@jackbonanno5550]

Joe, you truly are a genious, your mind must never rest.

[@joepie221]

Thank you. It rarely shuts off.

[@metaling1]

Happy new year Joe! The cleverness of your tips always impress and are almost always not seen before on KZbin before. Great stuff in here. Tim

[@18141776hhhh]

Understanding this kind of basics can go far, Thanks for Sharing!

[@soldier715]

Amazing video as always Joe.

[@dunxy]

Cute little table, nice work! Lotsa effort, makes me glad i sprung for rotary table with indexing attachment from the get go.

[@maxcnc777]

Love it! Handy idea! Thanks Joe!

[@slartybartfarst9737]

Thanks joe so well presented so it sticks it my head for when i need it

[@kalleklp7291]

It's always enjoyable to watch and learn from your videos. It doesn't matter If I'm used to metric, the principles are the same. Thanks for sharing...subscribed.

[@nhrifle]

I hope your video series is cataloged somewhere entitled "How To Be A Machinist". The knowledge here must never be forgotten.

[@joepie221]

Thanks. Once you grasp it, teach someone else and it won't be.

[@heraldpotgieter2443]

I recently made an indexing plate based on your video. I am very pleased with the outcome as the first part I made was a booboo. Thanks for for your tutorials.

[@IgotHeliFever]

Thank You! Your explanation was straight forward, in plain english, very easy to understand & for the first time I actually understand Indexing ! I Get It : ) : ) Forgot to tell you I lived in Austin for over 10 yrs in late 80's early 90's but am Texan born & Raised in Houston-Cleveland Tx area.

[@NordicRifleman]

Another great idea Joe - thanks! Your channel is perfect proof that you don´t need fancy editing skills to have a successful channel with great content. Experience, know-how and great teaching skills will take you a long ways. Keep ´em coming :-) I´ve had a lathe for 1,5 years now doing mostly rifle barrel work for customers, and ordered a mill that is expected to arrive this week. The technique you showed will come in very handy.

[@johnbodmer5645]

Great tool to have in the box Joe. Thanks for the idea.

[@madsighntist14]

Joe, you Just Answered the question facing me at this Moment! 67 YO, and going back to my Machining Hobby after gone for 12 Years, Thanks! philip from the Great Pacific NorthWET.

[@mecee4516]

Shut the gate!! Thank you Joe, it never occured to me to make a plate like this. 221 definately pays off! keep up the brilliant videos. I do have a rotary table with dividing head, but for quick & dirty projects, this looks ideal.

[@davesrepaircom]

Thanks Joe, more great ideas! I recently discovered Rose Indexes and they're terrific for this. I even 3D printed a set in PLA for jobs that don't require super precision. Quick and handy. Thanks again! I always learn cool stuff from your videos. You're a great teacher.

[@esosoteric362]

Thanks for another useful set of ideas Joe.

[@3rcamera]

Nice and clever. Another thing to learn here. Thank you for shearing.

[@luckenbachmachineworks7000]

Thanks for sharing this tip. The adjustable parallel idea solves a setup problem for how to index a previously machined air rifle barrel that needs some additional work. Thanks!

[@murdoch817]

Very clever, great job. I do have a spindexer but I am going to make one these as well. He who departs this world with the most tools wins. Plus I like to make my own tools and this is just a perfect project. Thanks for imparting your skill and secrets.

[@shawn2204]

Fantastic solution! Thanks a lot for sharing it!!!!

[@James-fs4rn]

thanks for another one Joe. sure to be used sometime. happy new year.

[@tfp777]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge professor.

[@johnnyjames7139]

You are a great teacher, I could have used some of this building my live steamer. Late is still better than never.

[@dcw56]

Happy New Year, Joe. Neat trick, and something I can see coming in handy even with my current index tool line up. Well done!

[@colsanjaybajpai5747]

absolutely ingenious. great as usual

[@russellbailey5952]

Great videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. At age 56 being a beginner in a field this broad is not easy. With CNC taking over learning these important techniques are being overlooked. Which is what is driving me to learn. Thanks again,

[@sharkrivermachine]

Good demo, always interesting.

[@euclidallglorytotheloglady5500]

Found my project for the day! That little angle plate is the cats meow! I can see using that lil bugger for countless projects. Even with a few other additions I could see using this for layout lines on bar stock. Awesome video!

[@quinka2]

Joe, your incredible, I been in it for 45 years and you always impress me with things I never dreamed of! Thanks Joe

[@joepie221]

Thank you.

[@200xcBruce]

Happy New Year Joe you are amazing, hope your training others in your shop to carry on your immense knowledge.

[@donzmilky5961]

Great tutorial. Thanks Joe, happy new year.

[@donpeterson9282]

Great video. We stand on the shoulders of giants....and Joe is one. Many thanks.

[@joepie221]

Thank you for that.

[@johnw.peterson4311]

Joe, you are a great ideas man. Thank you.

[@joepie221]

One of my past supervisors used to enjoy telling me "This can't be done" Don't bother. That was like laying a steak on the ground 11 feet away from a pitbull on a 10 foot chain.

[@FretsNirvana]

Excellent...always very informative.

[@billrichardson4873]

THANKS AGAIN FOR TAKING THE TIME!!! GREAT VIDEO.....

[@collinrasmussen5630]

Cool Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@irench]

Thanks for expanding my knowledge.

[@bkoholliston]

That rubber band trick is great! Even if you are still going to indicate it in, the adjustable parallel will get you very close. Eyeballing it, especially if you have already cut part of the polygon is confusing. Looking forward to making the little plate too.

[@charruauno386]

Joe you remind me the time when I worked for RALOID corporation in Reisterstown, Mr. Jadra also always had good ideas, joe you are one of a kind. Thank you for all your good tips. Have a good day.

[@joepie221]

Thank you very much.

[@incubatork]

Very useful info as usual Joe, you wouldn't have at hand a similar jig fore indexing on a small lathe for someone without a mill. Thanks for sharing and all the best for the new year.

[@yachtwork]

You are my personal machinist hero.

[@joepie221]

Thanks for that. I'm flattered.

[@mickeypee3523]

Happy New Years to you also and a great thanks for the great videos

[@ronroark9720]

Hey Joe, as always, outstanding info. I usually watch youTube on my TV so I can’t leave a comment. This came up on my email so now I can say, “thanks a million for all the great knowledge you impart to the rest f us”. Since I saw your video on reverse threading, that’s my preferred method for some time now. I don’t always use everything you teach, but I always learn something. You da man!

[@joepie221]

I'll put it out there if it works for me and I personally do it. If you guys embrace the technique, that would be fine, but its always good to see something from another angle. Thanks for the comment.

[@MR6.5]

Thanks for another great video!!

[@MyShopNotes]

Great tips and neet tool, thanks Joe.

[@ronpeck3226]

Thanks Joe, You certainly have that "KISS" principle down pat! Thanks again

[@ianpendlebury3704]

Interesting and instructive - as always.

[@gexas38]

absorbing so much intell and experience from u joe...keep up the good work bro

[@joepie221]

Thanks, will do!

[@CalvinEdmonson]

A+. Great idea Joe.

[@brianwarburton4482]

Another excellent video. Thank you.

[@daveknowshow]

I'm learning thanks Joe!

[@ls2005019227]

Great info/video. Thanks Joe!

[@johnv341]

A quick thank you from Australia before I go to the workshop to make an indexing disk. 92F here today so I better get moving before it gets too hot.

[@ZenMinus]

So simple BUT so CLEVER and USEFUL

[@BasementShopGuy]

Always learn from you Joe. Hands down, the most useful shop tips and de-mystifying of common problems. Happy new year pal!

[@joepie221]

Hi Brad. Thanks for stopping by. Happy New Year to you as well. Maybe we will actually get to meet this year.

[@RGSABloke]

Hi Joe, as the chief engineer in Star Trek would say 'ye canny change the laws o physics captain'. Lots to learn as always, will probably need to view a few times to let it all 'sink in'. Many thanks for sharing. Joe.

[@cavemansmancave9025]

Love the decorative artwork on the whiteboard. 😊 Great video, as usual. Thanks, John

[@joepie221]

Keep you eyes on that board this year. Things are going to happen.

[@cavemansmancave9025]

That's the plan.

[@k5at]

Great tips, Joe!

[@rayfalcone6897]

great video joe.waiting for the next one.

[@justinmaxwell1608]

Excellent video, lots of pearls for the novice, and experienced as well, I like your policy of not taking common sense as a given. By covering the basics it doesn't add much extra time to your video like holding blocks safer for instance. Thanks for the problem solving solutions.

[@andylarkins5128]

Great tool, thanks Joe!

[@stevenclarke4228]

“How’s that for ugly - welcome to 2018” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 If only you knew at the time what goodies 2020 & 2021 had in store!

[@graemebrumfitt6668]

Hi Joe, again great bit of education TFS. G :) Probably watched most of your vids but on other media and have not been able to comment so thumbs up for all of them :)

[@darrennelson6803]

You are one smart cookie!! Thanks for doin these videos!! Just scoped your website impressive list of patents!!

[@joepie221]

Thank you. I have to re-check the links. The patent office keeps shuffling things around. Medical devices mostly. I will probably have a smart leak controller crossing the patent office in the next 8 weeks.