No more linux!!! 8gb forever!!

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[@TechHut]

My base model M1 Air is the best machine I've ever owned.

[@dunkelwelpling]

The real reason Kent is switching to macOS is because openSUSE getting rid of their iconic logo.

[@KentsTechWorld]

Yes lol

[@JohnHowell-qv1rm]

It's a breath of fresh air to hear the honest truth about computers, OS, upgrades and what you actually use your computer for! Thank you, Ken!

[@agstar5837]

2012 I was working 3 jobs and trying to simply get Linux to load music on an mp3 player and I needed a computer science degree, hours of research to simply get enough drivers and permissions to write music to a player. Bought a Mac and had all my music on every device in a day. Steve Jobs era hardware was expensive but elegant engineering. When Mac abandoned my laptop even though I'm a SUSE fanboy I put Mint on to keep it alive and out of the landfill because life is short and it was the quickest simplest solution. Software needs to be convenient not a puzzle and not a cult. Enjoy your mini.

[@LawlessNate]

I personally want a computer I can use for everything. If it can't play games then it wont work for me, and so that's part of why I can't do anything Mac.

[@KentsTechWorld]

Makes total sense

[@androth1502]

just do what makes you happy my man. nobody needs more than 640k memory anyway :D

[@Monsuco]

MacOS is fine if you don't mind spending Apples prices. 8 GB of RAM is at least usable in 2024 for basic day-to-day computing tasks. The big reason there's so much outrage about it is Apple charges $1600 for the basic Macbook Pro and for $1600 it's outrageous that it doesn't ship with at least 16 GB of RAM. Furthermore it's impossible to ever upgrade the system.

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

sometimes I feel like he is intentionally trying to be a contrarian just to piss people off for the hell of it lol

[@KentsTechWorld]

If being honest and telling the truth, is "pissing people off for the hell of it" then there may be some issues you need to work out about the subject. I just lay out my experience that's it. If that trigger you. then keep living in the bubble.

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

@@KentsTechWorld Oh no trust me you aren't pissing me off at all. I guess I could have just started off my initial comment without the dumb joke. I am more confused with the point of where you are taking everything with your videos. It just sometimes appears like you might be intentionally going the contrarian route in order to get a rise of of people. At least from what I have seen. And I am more or less curious if that truly was your intention or not.

[@bertnijhof5413]

Your Mac does not look too expensive. I'm Dutch, so it is too expensive for me. This century I only bought off-lease PCs for ~$200 and only the last one was a new $349 Ryzen PCs. I started in IT in 17-3-1969 and I retired 1-1-11: Free at Last. My last desktops were: - In 2008 I bought a 2003 HP d530 SFF with; Pentium 4 HT (1C2T; 3.0GHz); 1.5 GB DDR (400MHz); 250 GB HDD; - In 2014 I bought a 2008 HP dc5850 with; Phenom II X4 B97 (4C4T; 3.2GHz); 8 GB DDR2 (800MHz); 500 GB + 1 TB HDDs + later a 128 GB SSD; - In 2019 I build a $349 Ryzen 3 2200G (4C4T 3.7GHz OC; 8 GPU Cores); 16 GB DDR4 (3000MHz); 512 GB nvme (3400/2300MB/s) and reusing SSD and HDDs. - In 2024 I plan a mid life upgrade to a Ryzen 5 5600G(T) 3x faster and 32 GB DDR4. In 2023 I replaced the 2 HDDs after 10 power-on years by a new 2 TB HDD. I use my PCs till they are 11 years old and I buy them when they are say 5 to 6 years old, except the last one I did build with new parts. My use case is strangely unique, I combined a VM server and a desktop, so 8 GB is not enough and today 16 GB is just enough. The host OS is a minimal install of Ubuntu 23.10 with the standard system apps and Firefox, it boots and runs from OpenZFS 2.2.0 using Virtualbox 7.0.14 for all VMs. I use Ubuntu since 2008; Virtualbox since 2009 and OpenZFS since 2018. I have 6 main VMs (4x Linux and 2x Windows); 7 Distro hopping VMs some since 2018; VMs with all 17 Windows releases (1.04 to 11Pro) and with all 11 Ubuntu LTS releases (4.10; 6.06 LTS to 24.04 LTS Alpha). Some of my main VMs are strange and I have minimized memory usage to fit in 16GB together with ~4 GB L1ARC (memory cache OpenZFS): - Xubuntu 22.04 LTS for communication, it boots in

[@pouf-dk3nq]

ZFS is such a good filesystem/LVM solution, and i use Ubuntu on my laptop for this reason alone; an automated zfs install. 16gb is enough for me and zfs on ubuntu by default has crazy compression rate, one time i copied a 55gb qcow2 VM file to my ssd and it only took 8gb of disk space.

[@maartenc6099]

I totally agree with you, it is your money to waste. I am a Linux person and yes, I do have used mac's in the present. My first mac was a powermac 7100. Later I bought a 4400, I have a G5 here in house. An Intel mac. I've done it all. I have used windows, mac's and Linux. And for me I like Linux. But yes, I understand your love for a mac. It is the same reason I like Linux.

[@TheFBK69]

I was woking at a 2nd hand electronics/repair shop a couple years back and this guy came in with a base M1 mac mini. I ended up taking it home because i got it for a fair price and wanted to use mac os for Logic Pro and some other stuff. I was impressed with the responsiveness and stability when it was just doing general tasks and working on projects in logic or ableton. I have a fairly decent gaming pc that I would use all the time before but it came to the point where I was only firing it up to game. Anyway I was so impressed by that Mac mini I picked up an M2 Pro Macbook and I have been really happy with it. I don't use my linux drive on my pc at all anymore and just use my Windows to game for the most part. With that said I think a big issue consumers have is honestly not knowing how much power they need. I have friends telling me to get a new gpu or get ddr5 or bah bah but the reality is I know what I do on the day to day basis and I am aware of how much power that requires.

[@drakemallard6100]

Yep, it is all about getting rid of other people's beliefs and ideology and find your own pragmatic way 😊

[@LINUXBANDIT]

Life without ricing is not a life worth living.

[@sohrobby]

I agree with your sentiments. I am deep in Apple's ecosystem because I enjoy using their products but I tinker with Linux because it's fun. There are things I love about Linux that I can't get elsewhere but at the end of the day my daily driver is going to be a Mac/iPhone/iPad.

[@ffsinvalsinval7624]

When I decided to give a MacBook Air M1 a chance, I've just left Windows and Fedora behind. MacOs and these machines are a game changer. Life is too short to stick with thing by pure ideology instead of utility.

[@TrTai]

I watched this after I watched the 8GB video, I'm glad I did in that order really but kinda wish I'd waited to see both to comment. I've been looking at getting a macbook for a secondary machine, it would take a lot to move me off my Linux Desktop and work won't let me off my windows work laptop, but there's a lot of things I'd like to try after years of only really using it on hackintoshes until I had to support some and the portability and battery life would be super nice and the M series are just really cool little SoCs with what they've done with it. I still think some stuff I do would push the 8GB but probably not enough that I couldn't get away with it since I won't really be running VMs or anything on it for any appreciable amount of time.

[@ghost-user559]

Get 16 Gb if its your primary machine. It’s worth every penny and it gives you plenty of room to do more advanced tasks if you decide to later on.

[@TrTai]

@@ghost-user559 Actually ended up pulling the trigger on one, thankfully did go for the 16GB, I can tell that 8GB works but definitely bottlenecks even with some browser/electron workloads, and I am one of the psychopaths that hits over 100 tabs easily and regularly but this has been like... maybe a dozen at worst.. Not enough to matter that much on its own day to day but that memory pressure is usually starting at 50% most days. then when I do actual work it can creep up a bit more. From my experiences, 8 makes due just fine, but 16GB is definitely the point where you're at 'enough' for the majority of people.

[@rml695]

I have the same config on a Mac mini at my vacation home and I get along just fine. My only reason I use Linux these days, compared to when I started with it 17 years ago, is to keep my 10 year old iMac in use. It’s running off the SSD portion of the Fusion Drive after the HDD failed. How long the SSD has? No idea, but until then, if Linux can help it live on? That’s the primary reason I use Linux. In addition, it’s not even my primary machine. My primary machine is an M2 15” Air, and I specifically went for that model for the screen size. Now on that one I did upgrade the RAM for longevity. Hopefully if the battery and software updates hold up I could probably get 8 years out of the Air. I’ve been using Mac longer than Linux. They were the first to have a built-in full screen magnifier. Windows didn’t get that until Windows 7. Linux accessibility is…dependent on your use case at best. I hope it gets better, but until then, Windows and Mac are best in this regard.

[@keyboard_g]

Also you can take your old machine back to Apple and get credit towards the new one.

[@Sylvan_dB]

I've never had a computer that wasn't worth far more to me than Apple would give me.

[@themisterchristie]

Memory management was always a strong point with Mac OS. Years ago I had an old Mac (68k series processor 133MHz) with only 4MB ram and it performed as well as my dual P3 system at the time ( 2 P# 500MHz Slot 1) with 512MB running windows. The system is just a tool, what works for you, works for you. I use a Linux based system, my wife used to run Linux but uses windows now, you now use MacOS, it's all good.

[@nlight8769]

When I upgrade a computer, I usually change the whole thing, depends if it is actually worth upgrading it or not. So a computer last me 5~8 years. step one : identify your habits, what you do with it, what you absolutely love, your budget, what you don't use, what is superficial. step two : make a setup that suits your technical requirements, step it down till it fits your budget step three : take a break and do stuff, then come back and see if you really need that powerful of a machine given your activities. step four : buy the damn thing, build it. Done. What Kent said about compile time, rendering time etc... is absolutely true, most of the time amateur should not care unless we are talking about a 10~15 year old brick. Ram speed one of the traps, take the basic speed, it's just fine. Same for SSD, take Sata speed, it's already plenty. Motherboards, as their price now can be pretty hefty, I'd just take one that have good VRMs, usually that's mid-low to mid range. While it is not strictly necessary, you can cheap out on it if you wish, in my experience, the MB with good VRMs tend to last quite a while. Personal pref for brands (just an opinion) : Asrock (yup, never got a problem with them despite their terrible reputation, I may have been lucky enough to never have a defect and having to deal with their support), MSI, Asus (often more expensive to due to usually more bleeding edge gadgetesque stuff). I like to avoid Gigabyte, cause I had problem with their hardware 20 years ago, and more often than not problem reports I see from here and there about MB often are Gigabyte... seems they remained the same. As a rule of thumb : the more bleeding edge, the more problems. Invest in a good PSU, but while for years it could lasted 2 or three PCs, now our days even the connectors standard tend to evolve more rapidly, so... I just take slightly above spec from a reputable brand (Seasonic or Corsair). Case ? As long as it has good airflow Ventirad ? stock is fine unless you really care about noise, AMD stock is pretty decent all around. Watercool ? Get out of here All of these advices support my demand for a certain degree of comfort that can last for a while. But as I don't play AAA games anymore, I could easily lower the bar and be pretty well set up for 4~5 years, but I really like my snappiness.

[@deadlymarsupial1236]

Acknowledged. Not everyone wears the same size shoes nor do the like the same color. Some need boots, some need running shoes. Some don't like wasting money or getting locked into expensive upgrades, repairs or having to replace mainboards because the friggin solid state drive is surface mounted on the main-board or find they cannot replace a display panel on the laptop with an exactly same apple branded & model numbered replacement part without having to get an authorized tech to run software to authorize the replacement part for the bloody thing to work with it, or that authorized field techs cut corners because they're paid a fixed price per job including travel so the only way to make a decent crust is to do 10-12 jobs a day. Yawn. Moving on.

[@famousmwofficial8046]

I went to mac os and got hooked. The only Linux desktop I have is chrome os but it's not used as much as mac os for my main work

[@BlizzGMX]

lol I just saw this video after watching your newest one. I see you already said what I commented in your other video about apple pricing in this video.

[@EugeniaLoli]

I disagree with you. RAM makes a HUGE difference in speed on Mac. 8 GB on the same machine compared to 16 GB is night and day even for casual usage! The speed increase is felt! More RAM frees the system to cache the system in a way that pays you back with perceived speed. If you're tight on RAM, nothing is getting cached, and you're just paging in and out of the massively compressed RAM tricks Apple has put in place (mostly for iOS originally, but these algorithms are now backported to MacOS). Personally, I had bought my previous PC in 2015, so it was time to upgrade. So I bought two Macs last year: my Macbook Air has 16 GB, and my Mac Mini is maxed out at 24 GB. DaVinci Resolve will thank me for that... Additionally, I don't agree with your idea that we're supposed to trash our computers every 2-4 years. That's really bad for the environment. As we speak, and as I've resettled back to Greece from 20+ years abroad, I'm refreshing my old DELL laptops (as old as 5-15 year old laptops!) and I put Debian Linux in them, with the XFce desktop. They work fine!!! And these old laptops are going to go to my nieces for school, and a few of my cousins, who here in Greece can't afford ANY computer (a Mac is like an exotic thing that no one has seen with their eyes!). They won't be able to edit video, or use youtube at higher than 480p res for the old laptops, maybe 720p for the newer ones, but they'll be still good enough to browse the internet, get on facebook, find info for school assignments, or do their taxes. In other words, it's a game of means: if you don't have the means for expensive stuff, then Linux on a refurbished laptop is great. If you do have the means for expensive stuff, then at least make them worth your time by using enough RAM and making them usable for longer time in the future, so you can gift them to a kid or something. Not to end up in a landfill with a broken SSD, or so little RAM that makes them unusable.

[@KentsTechWorld]

I did not say it did not. I say for most 8GB is good enough. I bet if I set up two machines one with 8GB and one with 16GB for most tasks you would not be able to guess what you use beside being lucky. I work for a company where 90% of computers run on 8GB or less

[@BenState]

@@KentsTechWorld What machine did you use to render this video?

[@Bluestarferies]

If you don’t exceed the 8gb usage by a lot then it makes no difference. I have both 8 and 16.

[@amigaworkbench720]

This changes everything forever!

[@KentsTechWorld]

I miss amiga

[@amigaworkbench720]

@@KentsTechWorld Make some PiStorm Amiga videos!

[@KentsTechWorld]

PI's are a bit hard to get your hand on over here

[@_moonmoth]

Honestly Mac minis like the ones you are looking at there are fairly reasonably priced compared to any premade PC or laptop. When I was trying to get a new laptop there was nothing under 400 or 500 bucks that was actually worth buying. Most of the cheaper ones are just the worst components possible - horrible screens, maybe a Celeron CPU, and if you’re lucky you get more than 4GB RAM. Might as well add a bit more and have a proper PC workstation setup with a Mac.

[@andrelarsen7282]

Velkommen til Mac , jeg er glad for min MacBook Air 8gb 256 m1 , og self Linux på min gamer pc

[@Evgen13Great]

How much RAM do I need if I am kind of a gamer? I play games, but I too do office stuff or home stuff on my home PC. Is 16 GB too much? :D

[@KentsTechWorld]

more ram is never to much :)

[@cantdance3077]

Use what you like. Kent as made many valuable and common sense videos for Linux and for that I thank him. Can't argue with the success of Mac.

[@dextro5383]

Good Video

[@donaldswanson9647]

I got 32 gigs just to play one game. 8 gigs would be fine for everything else. I expect a new game demanding 32 gigs will hit my rig in a few years and i hope to still have my rig well beyond that.

[@bertnijhof5413]

In 1993 I had the same bright idea. I did build a 486DX66 to replace a XT clone and I also thought: 8MB forever :) :) For some reason it lasted till 1995.

[@paul895]

Just use whatever you want man, nobody is forcing you to use Linux and advocate for it. Apple Silicon machines are great value, I have an M1 Mac myself, I just despise MacOS.

[@BoyanOrion]

Whatever works for you and it is different for everybody. The only people who are going to complain or get angry would be the fanboys. I'm quite satisfied with my new high end desktop system and in my use case i need all of the ram, gpu, cpu power and storage it has. I run Linux on my main desktop machine and do everything on it from gaming and multimedia up to heavy virtualization and containerization k8s clusters. It does what I need perfectly but that's just my use case and my preference. To each it's own.

[@barend63]

Linux serves me well

[@count0nz]

My Surface Go 3 only has 4G ram and it runs Windows home just fine.. the SSD helps + i have a 512G SDcard for Storage. its not that bad. + 8G is fine on mac my 4G macbook Pro (2008) runs ok lol

[@androth1502]

the surface is another overpriced product. hehe. it's microsoft trying to emulate apple.

[@count0nz]

@androth1502 I agree 100% the type cover is like 200$ here and pen is 100ish not cheap can get a decent laptop for that price

[@anonymousanonymous-ok3nn]

Chrome is always the problem. My Linux with xfce4 starts with only 200 MB of memory used. Once I open few tabs on Chrome, the memory is used up very fast.

[@CriticalThinker-42]

When Jobs stole the GUI concept from Xerox PARC, then Sued Xerox for using their creations, I vowed that Apple would Never see a dime of my money. Also there's the 1984 MAC commercial where Jobs claimed that the wide open architecture of the IBM PC was as stifling as Big Brother, BUT the MAC's completely locked down system was liberating, Stealing George Orwell's NewSpeak. And the customers believed this because a con man said it. I've kept my vow, and distanced myself from Mac Users ever since!

[@mikeprice820]

And when Apple obsoletes the hardware, Linux runs great on it.

[@alexonthestreet]

Thanks... and for those of us who need to keep a computer going for as long as it lasts what would you advise?

[@akashp01]

I think the whole video was about I have money I can throw "upgrade" every 2-3 years, so why should I not buy the convenience? So obviously, its understandable why his argument boils down to what he says, unfortunately the world is not Denmark and therefore his opinion is irrelevant to the majority of the world, but we should allow him his space.

[@KentsTechWorld]

It’s called working and saving money up for what you want

[@akashp01]

@@KentsTechWorld true, but there are always sacrifices that have to be made - for example a high upgrade rate will eat into your other funds unless your income is sufficiently above the level of prices prevailing. It is beyond individuals capacity to influence local prices and even after a certain level the wage levels domestically, so it is not altogether an internal problem of working and saving up. You have a very irrational view of the world.

[@johncombo]

@@akashp01 So what is your claim? It sounds like you are saying with these "sacrifices" the "working and saving money" is not worth it? Or what? That its impossible? Or what? What are you even talking about? He clearly thinks its worth it no matter what sacrifices you can come up with. Why is that irrational? He was using Linux longer than you and ended up on MacOs, what makes you think he got it all wrong?

[@akashp01]

@@johncombo are you daft? I am saying its not possible to buy a new gadget every 2 years. Thats what the top comment is about.

[@naderz4064]

Mac's hardware is awesome, I love their laptops, I don't own one but I want to tinker with one lol, I switched to linux for the experience, it's not something I'd recommend to most people, I'm just a dumb dyslexic meat cutter, I spend tons of time getting all my games to work....that is the game for me I don't hardly play them once they work perfectly lol "autism" I found your channel a week ago and it's been so enjoyable.

[@FlameForgedSoul]

To be fair most of the comaprisons/warnings/8GBislike16GB meming _was_ in reference to gaming.

[@KentsTechWorld]

nope. All most no one talked gaming. And when talking macOS people even say it's not for gaming, so why talk about it then?? Also most gamers don't know much about hardware other than GFX cards. And gaming is not the be all of computing. You can play allot of not most games on 8GB also!

[@BenState]

For what you need, a $20 computer would suffice. FFS you bought 6000MHz ram. Please uninstall.

[@KentsTechWorld]

When you pay for my things you can tell me what to do, until then if you don’t have anything adult to say then don’t speak

[@BenState]

@@KentsTechWorld Hahahah. Cope.

[@KentsTechWorld]

you have no idea what coping is it seams lol. but being 10 years old you have lot's to learn so I give you a pass ;)

[@BenState]

@@KentsTechWorld hahahahahaha

[@michaelheimbrand5424]

Interesting with our different experience. One of my Macs is a 2014 MBPr 13" 2014. 8GB soldered RAM running Big Sur (latest it will get). I only use it for YT watching. With only MacOS and Firefox with 13 YT tabs open it´s at 6.5GB used RAM. And if I open a few more tabs it wil get very laggy. I am in the process of replacing it with an older 2012 MBP 13" which can be upgraded to 16GB RAM. What I´m saying is that even on older MacOS, at least with YT tabs in Firefox, 8GB is a really crappy experience. Maybe Chrome is better. But my 8GB 2014 also got NVME so it shouldn´t be that bad when swapping. IDK about newr MacOS but Big Sur uses around 3.5GB RAM alone after a reboot. And I have never seen a newer MacOS use less RAM than an older. I´m not arguing that you are wrong or anything. Just sharing my own experience that the days of running MacOS @ 8GB RAM was over some years back. At least for YT watching with some tabs open in Firefox. My way of handling it is to restart Firefox or the computer pretty often and then reopen the browser and restore tabs. Seems to help a lot when the tabs reopen "snoozed" or whatever.

[@BinarySmurf]

You're talking about replacing a 2014 Intel MBP (so, 10 years old) with an even OLDER MBP also with 8GB, while Kent is talking about a 2023 Apple Silicon based system that has been heavily optimised at the SOC, hardware, and firmware level. To say this is an unfair comparison is an understatement. Given Kent overall positive input about his experiences with 8GB RAM I think you've missed the point of the video. Do you really think using a 12 year old Mac (even with 16GB RAM) is going to be worthwhile in 2024?

[@michaelheimbrand5424]

@@BinarySmurf You might want to read it more like: Any MacOS after Sierra but especially todays heavy web (or at least youtube tabs in my case) need more than 8GB to work if you don´t like frequent restarts. But that´s just my opinion and experience. But that´s all about when running MacOS. My 2014 MBPr that´s stuck on 8GB will probably be a Linux machine. A 2012 with SSD and 16GB is way more usable regardless of the OS. With that said. Even though I´m an old certified Apple tech with decades of experience, I have not even touched a modern Apple silicon based Mac. So maybe the newer OS´s has some neat tricks up their sleeves. Just sharing my "are you sure sir?" about Kent´s decision to run 8GB. And YES I heard about the tactic to buy new more often. That´s of course a working solution. I´m into the opposite though.

[@BinarySmurf]

@@michaelheimbrand5424 While I respect your stance, the bottom line is that you're using what's effectively prehistoric hardwarre, regardless of the amount of RAM. Whether your 12 year old Intel system with 16GB RAM is performant or not, it's completely outside the context of this video.

[@michaelheimbrand5424]

@@BinarySmurf Prehistoric may be a stretch. But I can assure you that RAM is the one thing you don´t cheap out on with MacOS. An old Mac in 2024 is one that is 64bit but has 32bit EFI (around 2008). And if you want fast I/O and need USB3 it´s 2012. All depends on the use case as always. The machine I run Windows 11 on (in a VM) is a 2011 MBP 17" and it´s still a monster. Of course with 16GB and SSD. My 2011 MBA 11" on the other hand is stuck on 4GB and is thanks to that degraded to be a sofa laptop with a lightweight distro. And yes, this thread has definitely gone out of the scope of Kent´s video. :)

[@KentsTechWorld]

Think like this. 8GB of DDR2 RAM is not the same ad DDR3, DDR4 or unified memory! The same goes for the timing and speed of them. So 8GB RAM on one system is not really the same as 8GB on another if they don't use the same "age" RAM, and speed/timing. Yes the "gap" between DDR3 and DDR4, or DDR2 and DDR3 is not that massive. But the difference between DDR RAM and unified memory is kinda a "strange" one as they are way more difference than DDR modules. So it's hard to compere a 8GB DDR system to a 8GB unified memory system. It would be like compare a Ford model A to a mustang :D You can kinda do it, but they are not really the same, and one have an advance in one area, and the other in an another area.

[@shivan2418]

I sense a danish accent?

[@KentsTechWorld]

its like saying "I feel there is oxygen in the air" lol. It's stated all over my channel. Be a bit more original

[@johnj.hernandez2298]

You must me Wealthy,,, Mac is expensive and confining,, Linux is free and extremely flexible... But Im somewhat like you,,, I use Macpro for work,, but really enjoy my computing experience and learning on Linux........

[@nuligebla1173]

You get the world you pay for. If you want to vote with your Euros for a company that forces you to pay fifty euros for a charger cord no one can stop you.

[@KentsTechWorld]

So why do you have to say it lol.

[@nuligebla1173]

in case there is someone who watches this video who might be able to understand the point of open source

[@KentsTechWorld]

has nothing at all to do with open source lol. what you are talking about is open hardware, and the right to rapier etc. Helps if you know the difference

[@MakeLinuxSimple]

As long you will not do some realy heavy video editing with shit tone of cuts effects and what not 8 gigs on mac should be sufficient.

[@S1eepers]

Get what you want people. Even if you just want a facebook machine like a base mac 😏

[@KentsTechWorld]

gaming on that Facebook machine is not that bad BTW

[@S1eepers]

@@KentsTechWorld i guess it can be done, but it looks atrocious with all that ghosting and smearing 🤢