No More Romancing On My Property

[@327JohnnySS]

I would cap the posts so they don't fill with water and put a few boulders on the sides so no one can drive around. You guys did a great job and looks nice.👍

[@randallan8158]

Yes. Either place very large boulders for 10'-15' on either side of the gate or place chain link fence on either side of the gate.

[@toma1883]

Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing watching this.

[@toma1883]

​@randallan8158 as a 19 old kid we had a place that alot of people went with they're dates. It was a old rock quarry and just like you said we just went right around the gate with our trucks. We had a well worn in trail. I'll be it still gets use to this day.

[@martinwinther6013]

Dig a ditch, let it overgrow so its not visible Would bve more fun if peeps have something toermm. "park" in?

[@erik_dk842]

All drive-thru junk food vendors should be mandated to write the car's license number on the "food" packaging. Along with Singapore sanctions for littering and graffiti vandalism.

[@bigjohnson4983]

I put 6” round posts cemented in the ground and 2@ 12’ tube gate all around my farm (6 sets) 35 years ago and I had to replace all of the gates because they rusted out but the posts are still going strong, nice job!

[@iansouth]

Hope they don't do this for a living😂

[@e.fifield9034]

your first installed gate needs some boulders put in on both sides otherwise they just drive around it. very nice job !!!

[@karlmckinnell2635]

🤔first heavy snowfall I’d imagine you’d wished the gates were a foot off the ground.

[@dickdavidson3616]

Thought the same, he replied no to my question. He can always raise in the future.

[@Ned-p1y]

We don’t get that much snow anymore

[@Cooldaddio2]

Bunch of amateurs

[@donalddday7741]

theres a tool called a snow shovel and another called a snow blower

[@larryehrlich57]

Good for them.

[@robertlafnear7034]

I live rural and I've had several people drive UP the hill to my house,... drove past my" No Trespassing" signs....... I put a sign up "ROAD SPIKED" permission required to proceed........... BOY DID THAT WORK for the few that could read.OH WELL.

[@jeanettecoleman-mz7ie]

😂👍

[@danbailey96]

The sign that worked for me was NO TRESPASSING SURVIVORS WILL BE PROSECUTED

[@robertlafnear7034]

That's good too but like the spike idea.... along with real spikes about a hundred feet from the sign..( custom built with deployment system for after dark ). works really nice, ask a Sheriff Deputy about that , the one that didn't believe my sign and could not read too , I guess.... oh darn.

[@Comm0ut]

@@danbailey96 A lawyer could consider that as an implied threat. Planning is wisely done without emotion since juries often side with goblins.

[@MattOlshove-fk7us]

I like in the end he showed how easy it is to cut the chain link 😅

[@leilanala]

Great Gate, you should although had fill the posts with concrete and exact in th middle of the gate a small stop post with two hole and a lock stick on both gates, that way in a storm it want clapper until it self destructs. within a month or so there will be a pad at both sides of the gate😆

[@Comm0ut]

The suggestions for tire spikes (and signage) are on point. I use deep ditches (the removed spoil makes nice berms) and dump logs and wood waste around my perimeter.

[@very5ick112]

government does that. bs .

[@Montana_horseman]

If you get a lot of snow like I do you might find you want to move those gates up so you don't have to push/drag them through the snow. I did my double gate like 30+ years ago, still as good as the day I installed them. Nice work. 👍

[@dennisoestermann1880]

You should fill the posts with concrete and either get big boulders on the sides or make a rebar enforced concrete pieces. That way nobody would try to get around. And perhaps a hinge to keep the two gates locked together to prevent them from swinging a bit.

[@gdad0683]

Get concrete barriers like they use at race tracks. Set them with a crane and you are done. Many Concrete companies pour them when the trucks come back with leftovers.

[@adanfranchi578]

The post will eventually sag towards the center if you don’t shore it up. I like many of the comments below but I would also install cameras and a sign saying you are being recorded. That will stop a lot of the trespassers. My brother had the same issue with trespassers on his commercial property until he added surveillance. They are cheap to purchase and install now and give you a piece of mind. I can’t wait for more videos, you do a great job!

[@Dumpster_Dave]

These gates are pretty light weight

[@TheGrimReaper1]

The implied permission has now been removed, it would certainly leave me or any “reasonable person” (per se) in no doubt not to enter without lawful authority or reasonable excuse . All the best from England.

[@Frank-Thoresen]

A date is a serious matter for the youth 😄

[@chucklesx]

Just a tip if you driving posts like that again, if you measure from the top down instead of from the bottom up to get your depth line it removes any issue from the posts being different lengths. Saves having to cut the tops 😀

[@Jessesoutdoorchannel]

That’s what they did they measured from the top

[@shellez101]

Great job Dave , always satisfying when you can tick off another job .

[@danbentsen]

Like the reflective tape . Think you should have hung gates at least 1' above ground. No set of gates will hang level against time, weight. Should have hung gates with slight crown where they meet in middle, then you wont have a set of sway-back gates. My 2 cents. Some things to think about next time you hang gates. I did like Galvanized Posts. Good watch

[@kenhart6330]

I've seen them drive around the gates and make another way in. They've also driven further down the road and start to get in that way or make a layover point off the road. Those small trees aren't going to stop it unless you fence it off as well.

[@M68BI]

I didn't want to be negative for the added expense on his part but they can drive around the posts and some expletive expletive will try knocking the gates over.

[@zouhairsuleiman1453]

Don’t forget to put a sign on the new gate Private property No trespassing

[@boskosdoghouse]

A under video surveillance sign wouldn't hurt either....

[@barrytipton1179]

Do the have alligators so far north

[@MrTruckerf]

@@barrytipton1179 Haha!

[@erik_dk842]

Hogs are omnivores, don't need no gators

[@patmcbride9853]

@@boskosdoghouse Trail cams

[@shooterjohn7163]

Dave it’s ashamed we land owners need to take these steps to keep people off of our properties. Unfortunately they’ll push on the gates and loosen everything up. Best of luck it looks good, Happy Easter…John

[@theforeman1097]

Maybe a "pay by the hour toll gate" might have added some extra coin in your pockets lol.

[@SPUDHOME]

Best idea. i don’t understand. Is it all because of jealousy? Someone is getting some, and you are not.

[@anzelmasmatutis2500]

@@SPUDHOME At this exact time some get some somewhere. It is not about jealousy. Toll booth is nice idea :D

[@markstevens1729]

Hour..😂🤣

[@Tokaisho1]

A condom dispenser could also make some cash

[@Razor32061]

@@SPUDHOME its a liability having random strangers on your property.

[@larryfranck1659]

Looks great Andrew. You might need to add some big heavy rocks around the edges to people from going around. It doesn't matter what you have they will still try and get in.

[@markstevens1729]

Uh.. Dave.

[@patriciamckee]

Yep, they are just going to drive around it. Nice gate, good job guys. Have a great day.

[@brianjorve1920]

You should weld a cap on top. When water gets inside,freezes it will push posts up.

[@Dumpster_Dave]

Yeah

[@ronaldlee2376]

Fill with very wet cement & trowel the top for smooth finish. Worked well for me.

[@creech54]

I'm sure they make plastic caps (with beveled tops) that pop on.

[@johnnyzsalt5374]

You should make concrete bollards to the sides of the gates. Just make your forms, drive some rebar, fill with crete and paint them after its dry.

[@jonb3311]

45 gallon drums filled with crap, set a foot into the ground.

[@andyhalpin6237]

One pin goes up the other down so they can't just left the gate off the pins.. You did a nice job of measuring twice and doing 1 tim !!!

[@0_O_0001]

In the areas where they can drive around the gates, you should install tire spikes.

[@ryanwhittington7759]

100% agree

[@DodgyFPV]

Would you not rather they just go somewhere else?, now you have a car/truck waiting recovery on your drive.

[@327JohnnySS]

I would just put some large rocks or small boulders.

[@mappling5]

which sounds good but illegal

[@barrygrant2907]

@@mappling5 Quite likely.

[@dereksstuff8395]

Good way to do it. We augered holes and put telephone poles 6 ft down, to hold our gate. I think that was 15+ years ago, still fine shape. Will you fill the box beam with anything?

[@trevorframpton892]

Well done, very professional, gate hangers up and down so those rascals can't lift the gate off the hangers. Here in England I've never seen a gate you can adjust to the hanger, makes sense.

[@gregking7926]

There was a gate installed by the Nature Conservancy on a mountain trail in the territory of the fire station I worked at similar to yours. We found it bent badly but who ever tried to get thru didn't. I am sure by what we found at the gate it did substantial damage to the 4x4. I think they were Tractor supply gates they (NC) had put up to keep people out of land they had bought and were littering.

[@sionedwilliams5094]

17:49 Arnt they going to drive around it.seems pointless to me!

[@DudeRanchDIY]

Those guys worked like a well oiled machine, those sets of gates came out perfect. I like the galvanized posts, I used cedar trunks for mine, looks cool but anyone with a chainsaw can get in! 😂

[@Dumpster_Dave]

Thanks yeah there great

[@SylwerDragon]

Nice work. I would only suggest to use steel chains on both end of those polls and tight them to ground by making concrete pad on one side and that steel pole on other side.. ..it would increase stability of that pole and second more important..it wouldn't allow to go around those poles....but it looks good as it is as of now..but why not make it even better :)

[@patallen5095]

Looks Great DD! Next time Andrew C has some large boulders, he can drop them off for you for either side of the gates!! 👍

[@earlunderwoodjr.6766]

You might want to attach a 4” non-inflatable fire/ wheel to your gate. This will help support the weight, and reduce the load on the post hinges.

[@CallardAndBowser]

Thank you for helping to reduce Teen Pregnancies !

[@johngreydanus2033]

A hidden camera may have provided more interesting videos.

[@specialandroid1603]

I suspect it's a minor inconvenience

[@patrickganly5206]

And shotgun weddings!🙄🙈

[@williamrudolph3481]

Buzz Kill lol

[@johndowning2231]

Back in the ‘50s in central Wisconsin, my maternal Grandfather bought an old farm up in Jackson County. My Dad and I spent a week’s vacation cutting tamarack trees, stripping and creosoting them and digging them in along the property line on either side of the road. We put in a steel gate and posted it all along the barbed wire fence. We arrived for deer season to find the fence cut and a bunch of assholes from Chicago had set up camp on the road! They claimed first that they owned the place and then that the owner had given them permission. My Grandfather told them that he was the owner and that they had ten minutes to unass the premises! We took their auto license numbers and reported them to the game warden and state police. I have always hated Chicago and Illinois since then, although the jerks from Milwaukee weren’t much better. Now I live in southern New Hampshire and have to deal with the Massholes!

[@chooch1995]

Easy with the hatred there, friend! Just as you’ve discovered, the ‘Massholes’ are just like their urban Chicago counterparts i.e. victims of their upbringing in an urban environment. Be grateful that these metropolises exist because if they didn’t, these people would have to spread out & they’d be your neighbors! Also, Illinois consists of 102 counties. Only a half dozen are connected to that tainted upper right hand corner. Don’t hate Illinoisans. Outside of that area….they’re just like you!

[@Ally4Gamer]

this feels like that one episode of Obi-Wan Kenoby. Where they also only have gate and no fence lol

[@naomifannin435]

You should put reflective tape on the fence so the lovers will know there is no trespassing before they drive into your gate trying to knock it down in the heat of the moment!😰😰 Put some large boulders on each side to prevent them from driving around it because at this moment they are determined!

[@captaincrustyradio]

Hi Dave, new subscriber, KZbin AI algorithm had this video pop up. Yes! Gates and Fences! The greatest things since sliced bread. I love that post pounding truck!!!!!!💯👍

[@Dumpster_Dave]

Thanks

[@captain54526]

Steel Post will corrode especially at the area around where the post meets the ground. Paint the post before putting it in the ground. Take a pump up sprayer tank and mix a little mineral sprits and boiled linseed oil inside the tank. Shake well and then spray the inside of the pipe from bottom to top and let it set for three days. Once the pipe is in the ground fill the pipe with spray foam and if wants leave a little gap at the top and pour a little concrete to make a top and when dry, paint it. Will last for many, many years.

[@brianlitchko760]

They are galvanized. I’ve been driving similar posts in the ground for years and never had an issue

[@philipcounsell4709]

What a useful peice of kit that driver , is worth a bit worth a bit restoration . Brilliant job by the way . 👍👍

[@retireearly7223]

They’re bucking like funnies in there!😂😂😂

[@kevjo13]

They can just drive around the gate. Too easy!

[@Easy4unow]

I agree! 1:31

[@RamsinGabriel]

You obviously have never driven heavy machinery over untouched ground before. Anyone going around is going to probably sink in about 6" of mud. I dont think anyone is going around as easy as you think.

[@WayneMarion]

@@RamsinGabriel The people that are fcking behind the dumpsters are driving heavy machinery?

[@tttt4029]

@@WayneMarion Lol, discreet dating !

[@tttt4029]

I'm still thinking a nice deep trench that you dont see till youre in it 😁

[@DAS-Videos]

Can make caps out of flat steel or aluminum, an inch larger than the posts, and just glue them on top with shoe-goo or e6000 or one of the equivalent. No welding required.

[@zedeyejoe]

Greenham Common airbase had a few gaps in the perimeter fence. Courting couples would often drive through and park up. Which could prove embarrassing for patrols.

[@thepagan5432]

Either cap the post or drill drain holes in the bottom of the post so water drains away. Good job, looks great.

[@DDL2728]

It's sad how so many people have no respect for other people's property!! Good job!

[@willyvonbusche729]

😂😂 I have seen this kind of work before. Without support those posts will not last long before they start sagging.

[@JacobCharles1]

Those posts are 3+ feet in the ground

[@willyvonbusche729]

@@JacobCharles1 Yeah, and so? Soft muddy ground without rocks. Wait and see.

[@MrTruckerf]

We just bored an oversize hole and surrounded the post with cement. Also filled the posts with cement. It is not going anywhere.

[@willyvonbusche729]

@@MrTruckerf That's more like it. NOW it's not going anywhere.

[@dubious6718]

@@MrTruckerf Until the ground freeze.

[@jjtrades7186]

Note they'll just park infront of the gate and walk around with an air mattress lol

[@R3BE7]

😅

[@framfull]

Leave it open valentines day😂 that red Dodge in the background looks great🤠

[@jacksprat7087]

I used my tractor and a 12” auger and went down 4’ then concreted the 4” steel tubing in. Hasn’t budged after 15 years.

[@kens.3729]

Very Nice job! Very Professional Work. 👍

[@zetnakatel]

I would put concrete inside posts, and this first gate don't work, because you can drive next to it.

[@AdelinoGambiarras]

Now with the gates on it looks better and it should signify no trespassing.

[@dankreoger611]

Put in a T post on each side and stretch a cable from it to the gate post. Cheap. Or, have Andrew bring you a couple of big rocks to put on each side.

[@327JohnnySS]

I was thinking the same with some large rocks for the sides. Good eye.

[@tttt4029]

I was thinking a nice deep trench that you dont see till youre in it 😁

[@lokinya]

Isn't that just brilliant? At some point there was someone who had to invent that one vehicle add-on with the sole purpouse of driving fence posts in the ground fast and efficient. Whoever it was, well done. :)

[@Kevin-is-here]

Used one years ago when I worked for a guardrail company putting in miles of guardrail on the highways

[@firewalker1372]

Frank D. Piledriver was his name. Driving posts was his game.

[@godfreygatsi-pu2cc]

Is that thingy removable from the truck bed, I mean what do you do with the truck when you don't need it? How many times a year do you drive poles into the ground?

[@patmcbride9853]

After WWII, a lot of farmers bought Jeeps and put augers on the back that hooked up to a PTO. Great way to put a LOT of fence posts up in a short amount of time.

[@cawiltu]

Oh my! Having the right equipment is just wonderful 👍

[@tstahler5420]

Reminds me of the tollbooth in Blazing Saddles. 😂

[@wingshot5124]

Anything for a video right.

[@HamburgerAmy]

"thanks for the f**k shack" - Dumpster Dave & the Dirty Boys

[@Dumpster_Dave]

Gator don’t play no games

[@ryanhutchinson9657]

@@Dumpster_Davei love watching your videos on your KZbin channel

[@jeepindave5464]

Better be wearing jimmies!​@@Dumpster_Dave

[@juanrabago906]

Whew! I worried for a moment there! But it's all good, I'll just go around the gate!😮😅😂😊❤

[@EverythingElliott]

Now I think its only fair that you get a street sign made to put up at the gate called "Lovers Lane"

[@327JohnnySS]

LoL, I wonder how many kids were conceved their?

[@schsch2390]

Unless the nut on the upper adjustable hanger is spot welded, all you need is a wrench to detach the gate and then swing it around out of the way, or a battery powered grinder, $40 from HF.

[@rongray4118]

I mounted two of those eight footers by myself three weeks ago... just enough gate to say, "Stay the hell off my property!"... and some good chain to keep them locked.

[@mikeh8228]

Even their better chain is shit....did you see him cut it with the rotary cut off wheel. Anyone with one of those can get in!

[@chrisoakey9841]

Looks good but you need something on the other side like chain down to a block. Both to resist sagging, and stop people driving around the gate.

[@kapperoutdoors]

YEP!! Great work on the prevention gates!! Love it! One ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure!! Nice work!

[@Tuckaway]

So if they forget to bring their bolt croppers with them when they come to visit, they can just drive round the sides instead?

[@grambo1100]

I don't understand why the yellow vehicle with the pile driver has a turret. It seems like unnecessary expence when all you need to do is turn the vehicle round. Having said that, it is a handy machine.

[@brianlitchko760]

These machines are designed to have a wide range of motion. Why turn the truck around when you have a turntable?

[@ganprottas6259]

It is a pity that we need these extra safety precautions to keep unwanted people off our property, but it is reality. Good looking gate you have there!

[@habana7638]

I think it's stupid, but hey its America,...

[@BigRed-dr6we]

Cordless power tools make light work of mild steel gates & their hinges. Has that happened yet? Did anybody come and cut through the gate or its hinges?

[@Dumpster_Dave]

No

[@BrieAnnaTeylar]

Just build a enclosed pole building / barn and section it off into rooms & rent the rooms by the hour 😂

[@SPUDHOME]

Then he will still be hurt. Someone getting a little? And is not getting any.

[@AboutDatMoney]

​@@SPUDHOMENaww he don't want people on his property.

[@SPUDHOME]

@@AboutDatMoney like I stated he is not getting any. It is called jealousy.

[@jasonharper2601]

i made caltrops and spread where trespassers drive in. they think they are driving past the gate but end up with 4 flat tires. then we have the car towed. caltrops are easy to make

[@lennym1636]

Caltrops are illegal.

[@jasonharper2601]

need a barrier beside the gate boulders work great or if you have more posts drive them in a few feet apart and weld wire on the posts

[@rsgr3963]

Additional private property sign, Solar Spot Light, Barb wire at the side of it to give unfriendly feeling and CCTV will be good as well

[@tm502010]

What about rocks in the soil? How can you ensure the posts will drive true?

[@criticalevent]

That sure beats using the auger and pouring concrete.

[@RayWint-od9uj]

Put another sign up "please dont drive around the side of my gate".

[@williamrudolph3481]

We all know he has something in mind.

[@deernutOO]

No way to adjust that gate after welding the hinge to the posts that will lean over time, best I can tell from the video. Looks great for now.

[@Bama1963]

Good work on the gates, looks too easy though to just go around one gate, especially if the ground is dry or frozen

[@benicamenica1557]

Ummm....Okkkk....drive around the gate seems likely... unless corrected. Enough of a snow fall.....try opening the gate! Install the one-way in the ground system that punctures the tires. It is available for as wide you need it to be...not difficult to install and available with remote control to lower it so you can enter. One problem is... power hookup.

[@jonross7593]

Nice gates, but I'd have opted for pairs of gates with the fold-over arms which lock them rigidly together. Now you need fences or hefty boulders to stop people driving round the sides.

[@davesedgwick7761]

Surely, they can drive up the side of the one set.the other set had the trees blocking.also, I would have cut a cap out of the section cut off, too

[@Dale-q8o]

Good looking job boys. Someone’s gonna let you know how easy it is to come in that type of gate. A 6 inch crescent and three minutes they’re in

[@michelboisvert5684]

hi, yes it will last a long time but not the black paint that you painted your posts, because on galvanized metal the paint does not stain it dries you must treat the metal with vinegar before painting, I have already experienced with galvanized metal and all the paint has lifted

[@jamescole1786]

3/31/24..Happy Easter Dave🐇🥕🐰..Lots of interesting equip to 'pound posts' into your soft/no rocks ground. Are you going to put some type of 'top' on these posts?..gotta keep rain/snow out or else rust eats 'em up, aye? Also agree with other comments re: left/right sides of gates..gotta get something..'T' posts & weld chain across..or grab some of Andrew's 'keep rocks' (from his Blasting project) & spot few lft/right. Placing few big Rocks & your 'new' Skid Steer or Excavator would make another interesting video, aye?😊⚙️🔧💪🍺

[@silverbullet7434]

Wobbling drill bits done make them cut better it just ruins the bit from cutting straight .Hold the drill bit straight it'll fly thru using the taper bits. Shot of cutting oil helps !!

[@silverbullet7434]

Two inch pipe welded in center on each gate with a 1 1/2" pipe to make a gate lock to hold gates straight in center will make it stronger and easier then chain n locks.

[@brianlitchko760]

When a bit gets a dead spot in it you have to wobble it to get past that point. We use old bits in that manner all the time. They are expensive so you get as much use out of them as possible!

[@noelmeyer1384]

So a square, open pipe filled with dirt and water inside and out, how's that going to keep from rusting the thin pile walls over time without protection?

[@patriciastyles1761]

In England I put in a very wide oak gate and attached that to a bridleway gate. Overnight it was stolen!!

[@slartibartfoss]

Operators are not the brightest candles on the cake...no caps on the post, next time it's freezing the posts will burst, no stoppers for the gate-wings, will make a nice noise when windy, no fence or bollards next to it, so the gates are senseless...

[@annmoore7351]

What’s to stop from driving around the gates? It appears to be field. Can you drop boulders on the sides?

[@DennisFahlstrom]

You need a fence well into the woods on both sides of these gates or the love birds will just drive around the gates. I agree with another comment about caps for the posts or the rain will collect inside them and start rotting them within a few months.

[@Dumpster_Dave]

I did the caps and will be putting a rock wall up.

[@belomolnar2128]

To add a Sign “Do not enter” “Private Property” by “the Drone controlled entry”. ❤

[@matt89447]

I've heard to clean galvanized pipe with vinegar before painting. It will stick better. Wives tale?

[@gordbaker896]

True. Acidic acid.

[@berndm9743]

That first gate can very easily be driven around even with a regular car unless you put some boulders on the dirt on the outsides of the posts.

[@gordbaker896]

Great Neighbour.! People parked keep others away. Should have put it beyond the Dumpster. You will soon tire of swinging the gate and locking it.You mounted it 8" too low if you are in a snow area, which it appears to be judging by your coats. Cap the posts, Paint a wide Yellow stripe on the inboard ends and Centre 2' Ride and a "Game Cam" Sign along with others. Now you need to run fencing either way from the Gates for 50-100' depending on Ground Cover. Put boulders on Road side of Fencing 2' away from fence. Reflective tape too high. Nice wide laneway. Let people enjoy each other.

[@davidhill7055]

Drive some posts and mount security cameras about 8 feet off the ground. They will send alert to your phone when something approaches. Solar powered LTE systems are pretty advanced now and not expensive.

[@robertboykin1828]

# 1:03 don't make those hinge bolts @ the same level, 1/4 inch I recommend, so you don't have to get them BOTH started [ when putting the gate on ] at the same time.

[@donnal.oglesby4806]

Dave, question here, the gates are amazing and you should of done this long before now, BUT on the one enterence, you can just drive around the gates, unless you plant on installing some fence there as well??

[@Dumpster_Dave]

I’m hoping people will just stop going in there with the gates up. It’s really muddy Si they would probably get stuck

[@Sjanzo]

​@@Dumpster_Dave when they get stuck you can fine them heavy before pulling them out 😂

[@327JohnnySS]

Get a few large rocks for the sides.

[@Sjanzo]

@@327JohnnySS rocks didnt occur to me because my area doesnt have any 😅

[@roberthocking9138]

Nice job, but I was just curious as to what’s going to stop folk driving around the gates, there’s plenty of room for a 4WD to get around 3 of the four sides ? . Cheers

[@stuartcotterill9475]

God damn you Dave, now I've gotta find a new spot to pull my todger 😆

[@johnjaco5544]

The post look ok,but anybody with a battery powered sawzall could be through that gate in minutes.I used 6 inch well casing for my post, 5 feet in the ground with concrete.As for the gate I used a rail road rail.Hope you don't live in snow country as the gate is to low to the ground.

[@geo752]

The threaded pins ,will they not bend and break in time ?