NO NEUTRAL 2 GANG SMART LIGHT SWITCH INSTALLATION AND SET UP

Most UK household light switches do not have a neutral and most smart light switches require a neutral. Thankfully, no neutral smart light switchs are now becoming more widely available.
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I'll go through installing a 2 gang, one way smart light switch and explain how to set it up to work with your smart speaker.
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[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

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[@strangersgarden]

As someone who lives in the uk this video has to be the best explained video on how to install one of these buggers

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Thank you!

[@Alfred192]

Your work is excellent. My technician tried 4 times but didn’t work and he refunded me. I tried by your instructions and it worked. It’s so easy

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Thanks. Surprised the technician wasn't able to figure it out. He should've watched the video! 😃

[@stumartin2644]

spot on guide for these lights, made a load of confusion into sense

[@pradipanvijayanathan4085]

Great video! I had the same issue with the lights not working until I switched the wires.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

There's obviously a reason but I'm still not sure why? 😃

[@zulfikranzulmos4066]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK I think bcoz 1 of the lights not led type..

[@ink-land]

Great video. I've got 4 wires and only 3 inputs on the smart switch same as you. I wasn't sure what to do but your video explained it perfectly thank you. Do you have a video for 1 gang 2 way (light top of stairs. Switches top and bottom of stairs)?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Thanks and unfortunately no sorry. The only other video I have is just a single gang, one way.

[@Omarippo]

Good job 👍🏽 But the capacitor for ?

[@s7pd]

“ confuse the wife “ had me 😂😂😂

[@qaiserazimfilms]

Fantastic video and well explained . Thank you.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Thanks

[@indosinfamilyreview]

Hi, after watching this video , i assume that your switch doesn't have a neutral wire. My question is, is it safe to connect 2 live wires together into the same L ? And what is this 2 live wires are actually for ? To my understanding , only 1 live wire is enough to be connected to L. So what's the other Live wire for? Tia.

[@TheDiabeticWay]

Does it also work if you add smart bulbs as I struggle to get mine to work correctly as it puts the bulbs into pairing mode when you keep turning the switch on and off any help on this please? Thanks for this video two best Ive seen on explaining it to find the live wires and adding them both to L on the switch. For my strange reasons I have no power upstairs switch now but will look again after seeing your video thanks!

[@eltontsang9079]

Hi this one no need natural wire but is need install Capacitor ? Thanks

[@Aman-y3f2z]

Hi great vid just also viewed the 1 gang clip to, just wanted to ask with a 2 gang switch- you can name each one for example sake lets call 1 switch A and the and the other B. Alexa will recognise to say Alexa turn off A and Alexa turn off B. Thats 2 commands. Can you then assign a possible 3rd name (example C) to turn on/off both A & B? So command would go alexa turn off C and they both go off? Apologies if ive made this more compex than what is needs to be

[@zulfikranzulmos4066]

Good vid sir.. But i wondered how come got 2 live wires.. And the 2 live wires not parallel.. Why not just looping the live wires together from 1 source..

[@wallacememories5000]

Hi thanks for the video it was explained clearly and concisely I just have a question about my experience and if you have a solution. I followed your instructions exactly and even had to change the LIVE switch wires around just like you because the switch wouldn't turn on the first time around. After doing so the buttons illuminated and were flashing ready to be set up but unfortunately when I pressed the button there was a loud crack and my consumer unit tripped out and smoke started to come out of the smart switch, I have the same setup with a ceiling light and two wall lights some am not sure why this would happen. Also, the earth wires are connected to the back box in the wall so all earthing should be all catered for can you help please?

[@doyouknow007bond]

Excellent guide. Thank you for sharing this. Where did you buy the tester pen?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

thanks, got it on Amazon amzn.to/3vnRjWI

[@zulfikranzulmos4066]

I have outside switch box not inside the wall.. Will it fit perfect? Just order it from online..

[@derekbrooks6042]

w so I Why do I get bleed over, so I get a dim ligtht with the swicht off but works ok with light on

[@YoungSaint95]

Hi, do these work for 2 way? Thinking about changing my 4 gang to smart but every switch is 2 way

[@shotta640]

Great video, would also like to see a 2 gang/3 gang 2-way smart switch install

[@cyrilbarreto3367]

I want to install 2 Gang smart switch, I have 2 Live and 2 Neutral, can you advise best way to connect

[@Gledii]

hey thanks for sharing.I got a similar one and i want to dimm my dimmable lamps. with the smart life app i can see only the on/off buttons. do you know if these smart switches dont have a dimmable funciton? cheers

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Most smart switches don't have a dimmable function. Only the smart bulbs are dimmable.

[@maziz7488]

Welldone sir..great job👌👌👌

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

thanks

[@maziz7488]

Could ypu please make an other video about 2way and 3way circuit with smart switches??? Thank you very much😊

[@terryryan1947]

great video thanks. Did you have to fit a capacitor if so where did you fit it. Terry

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

I didn't fit one sorry, there was no need.

[@bobbailey7024]

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[@blakeex]

@UTILITARIAN TV, why you did not use the capacitor? Can the switch (no neutral) work without using capacitor? I do not have a tester pen, but I can see the 2 wires connected to Common & 2 wires connected to the 1 way switch. Can I move 2 wires from the common to L1, L2 respectively?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Didn't need the capacitor as the lights weren't flickering. I would not recommend guessing which wires do what. Best to invest in a tester.

[@nikolatesla7796]

hey! can you show how is the switch during day and night? it has light so you can see it at night?

[@zulfikranzulmos4066]

White switch not too bright during the day.. Only can see at night..

[@scienceoftheuniverse9155]

With all this screw in the package? 1:10

[@luchoescobar]

Hey nice video but happen with the little yellow box that comes with the smart switch?? Did you install it or it was not necessary??

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

That's the capacitor. You install in between your live and neutral on the light fitting. You only need this if your lights flicker. Mine didn't flicker so I didn't need to use it.

[@frankiehannon8961]

Hi I've just read the other posts saying it is no longer available

[@bobbailey7024]

@Frankie Hannon I bought a 2 gang switch from Amazon UK a few days ago - it can be wired with or without neutral. Yagusmart Wifi Smart Wall Light Switch. If you don't have a neutral you may need to install a 100 micro farad capacitor (supplied with the switch) across the input / output terminals of ONE of the lights to prevent flicker.

[@Tsepe21]

I have another problem. I have install the switch in the wall. It works manually and it turn on and off the lights correctly, but when i press the button to start the pairing modem, the ceiling light turns on(because i touch the button) and after 6 seconds the ceiling light turns off but the button doesn't blink and doesn't start pairing mode!!! I tried everythink... What i do wrong?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Unfortunately, it sounds like you have a faulty switch?

[@Tsepe21]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK i bought 5 and i tried 2 of them... Both of them have the same issue. I will trie the other 3

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@Tsepe21 That is unusual? What is the make of the switch?

[@Tsepe21]

​@@UTILITARIANTVUK The maker's name is SWITCH !!! But looks the same as yours!!!

[@jaspalsinghsihra1018]

@@Tsepe21 Did you ever sort this out. I have the same issue where pairing mode doesn't work?

[@frankiehannon8961]

Great Video The uk link for the switch looks nothing like the one you installed, and looking at the picture's it seems you have to fit a capacitor if you dont have a neutral wire. Is the one you fitted Yagusmart Wifi Smart Wall Light Switch???

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

I didn't fit the capacitor on mine and it was all fine. It may depend on the light fitment?

[@frankiehannon8961]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK Thanks Bud again great vid.

[@johndoudar6395]

Why did you not mention the capacitor that needs to be fitted in the light ceiling rose?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

I didn't use the capacitor as there wasn't a need for it.

[@onatepp]

Hi there. Many of these switches without neutral comes with a little box that you are supposed to install in parallel of the light you are controlling to avoid flickering. Do you use led lights? Any flickering problem?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

They come with a capacitor but I didn't need to use it. I have LEDs but they don't flicker.

[@alexrv851]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK is there no need to install the capacitors if you use LEDS?

[@ltjusticekorang3955]

you did not show are the two switches were named. and rename for your smart speaker to recognize it

[@Risankaan]

If only I had come across your video a few weeks ago...i would've still had hair on my head

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

😄👍

[@amirlee6431]

Why did they gave me a capacitor and said it is an essential... I'm so confused,it was working when my electrician didn't use the capacitor cause he forgot but when he used the capacitor it doesn't work... we were so confused but we didn't date to continue without the capacitor since the seller said it is very much needed

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Only need to install the capacitor if the lights flicker. If they don't flicker, there's no need to install it. As it is no neutral, it draws a small amount of power from the bulb. This can cause flickering or dimming in certain bulbs.

[@amirlee6431]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK Thank you. Did it without the capacitor and it works. But i did have the same problem like you that i had to switch the wires for it to works. And yes it makes it confusing but hey at least it works now

[@pethuds]

Hi didn't you use the capacitor

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

You normally install in between your live and neutral on the light fitting. You only need this if your lights flicker. Mine didn't flicker so I didn't need to use it.

[@sakalbudhi1239]

I am curious as to why the capacitor wasn't wired in, do you need to?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Didn't need it. It tends to be needed when you have older LEDs or bulbs that may flicker? The newer types seem fine.

[@janjarranjanPH]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK would you know how to set one up with the capacitor? Having issues with mine since my cove lights are blinking and the pin lights won't turn on. Thanks and great job!

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@janjarranjanPH you need to connect the capacitor to the switched live and a neutral in the light fitment.

[@josedvaldez6699]

Good evening, if a capacitor was used, in a feeling with 10 down lights, could just install it on one of them or at the main junction/ rose? Thanks

[@scotiajinker8392]

Have you had any trouble with the switch ? A lot of mixed reviews on Amazon.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

I've had it for a year and no issues so far.

[@scotiajinker8392]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK brilliant, I’ll order one. Thanks for the very quick response. Your video helped me a lot , I’ve a 2 gang switch , 1 switch operates a light the other an extractor fan.I’ve 1 live with a jumper wire to the second live position. You showing that you can put “2 lives” together makes sense. I was going to order it but it won’t get here until the 20th

[@jamesoliver5334]

Great video, just one question where did you get the smart switch from.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

It's from Amazon MOES WiFi Wall Touch Switch No... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07Z4WVCLN?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[@jamesoliver5334]

Perfect thanks for your help. My dads just said could you not turn the switch around the other way then the switches would be the correct way around for your wife. Remember happy wife happy life. That’s what my wife says.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@jamesoliver5334 haha! That is true. The back box was a very tight fit due to the size and shape of the switch so it would've been difficult. I'm sure the wife will cope. 😄😄😄

[@imzaazmi]

this never use capacitor?

[@jawadmurtaza4239]

Hi, I have the same switch and followed exactly these instructions but the buttons seem to keep turning on both lights rather than one. Any ideas?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Have you tried changing the switched lives around?

[@jawadmurtaza4239]

Yep. Tried swapping them around and one button still switched on both lights. One set is a ceiling light with the capacitor and the other set is some spotlights.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@jawadmurtaza4239 I couldn't work out why swapping them around worked but it did. I didn't use the capacitor, have you tried it without it?

[@jawadmurtaza4239]

Yea. Tried without it but the bulbs kept flashing so had to put that in 😔

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@jawadmurtaza4239 the last thing to check is the bulb's? Newer LED bulbs tend not to flicker. If it's not the bulb's, I'm out of ideas sorry. 🤷‍♀️

[@zulfikranzulmos4066]

U could try using only 1 live wires and connect the other 2 switch wires.. As the smart switch already had the live wire looping in the circuit.. Thats why u only need 1 live wire.. Why didn't u think of that haha..

[@chrisang]

hi, did you use the capacitance which came with the smart switch?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

No, the lights worked fine without it.

[@chrisang]

thanks for the video and reply :)

[@MusaferHoonYaaro]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK Which smart switch you used . can you put the name of the company in the description. I have the same issue with three switches where there is no neutral and I cannot find a switch without capacitor or neutral .

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@MusaferHoonYaaro It's from Amazon MOES WiFi Wall Touch Switch No... www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07Z4WVCLN?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

[@gabotoror]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK what happens if my switch turn on more than 1 light? I have 6 led lights in my Livingroom

[@ufo734]

What do you do with the capacitor?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Didn't need to use it as the lights did not flicker or stay on.

[@ufo734]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK thanks, great really helpful video. Interestingly my original 2 gang switch had a loop on the 2 com holes. Not sure why yours hasnt?

[@pethuds]

Hi do you still have to have smart bulb for this switch to work

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

No need for a smart bulb. An ordinary LED is fine.

[@pethuds]

No need to fit the capacitor then

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@pethuds I didn't use a capacitor but some people have had to with older LEDs. Any new LED bulb should be fine.

[@pethuds]

Ok thanks

[@petersteed9234]

Hi I wonder if you can help me or maybe someone here can I only have one x 2 gang switch in my flat. I have fitted 1 gang wifi switches and had no problems at all. but in my lounge I have a 1 gang switch which is now wifi all works fine. I also have a old 2 gang switch not wifi, as cant seem to wire up the new 2gang wifi one. . in my lounge I have 2 ceiling lights. I have made some images for anyone to look at. the ceiling light marked green is operated by the 1 gang wifi switch also marked as green, and also operated by the old 2 gang left side switch also marked green. the right switch of old 2 gang marked in blue just turns on ceiling light marked blue only. Now on the 3rd image the back of the new wifi 2 gang only has L L1 & just L3 to connect wires plus a N on the left. I am waiting for a continuity meter to arrive so I can maybe find out what colour wires are from the 1 gang switch what leads to the left switch of the 2 gang here are the images of the room ibb.co/W6kMwLm ibb.co/5nQwF95 ibb.co/NSM8DBQ

[@devlinX]

I've got five wires in my two gang switch, what do I do with that???

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Is one of them a neutral or is it a 2 gang 2 way?

[@devlinX]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK It's supposed to only be a one way switch as there's only one switch for it. Two cables in the box, one with three wires (including the live) and the second cable I'm assuming is for the switched connections. Is there a way I could test if one of the cables is the neutral?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@devlinX Are you in the UK? In the UK the neutral wire is normally blue.

[@devlinX]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK Colours I have are red x2, black x1, blue x1, yellow x1. Yeah, I'm in the UK.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Without looking at it, the reds are normally live, and yellow is earth. I'm not sure about the blue and black? Modern wiring, the blue is neutral. In old wiring the black is neutral. So it's either the blue or black are the neutral. Have you tried putting an electrical tester on the black and blue wires when the light is turned on?

[@stokesy_SWFC]

There's no need to turn 5ghz wifi off, you can run both 2.4 & 5 at the same time.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Yes, that's correct. However, in some instances, the switch tries to connect to the 5ghz. No matter how many times you try to connect the switch it will not work. The only way to get it working is to turn off the 5ghz while connecting it.

[@D4RKFiB3R]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK I think just making sure your phone is connected to the 2.4Ghz network is enough to solve the issue. At least that's what has worked for me. Maybe I've just been lucky.

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@D4RKFiB3R It does depend on the proximity to the router. Most phones have a tendancy to automatically switch back to the strongest signal. So if you're close to the router, it can be a bit of a ball ache when your phone keeps switching back from 2.4 to 5GHz.

[@D4RKFiB3R]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK Temporarily disable auto connect for that network. :)

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@D4RKFiB3R I don't think you can temporarily disable auto connect for 1 network, at least not on my phone? But I suppose you can forget connection and log back on again later?

[@jonasjia2062]

We are smart switch manufactory.

[@nawafalmaeeni8787]

I did the same and my switch light has burned

[@nawafalmaeeni8787]

Maybe because i put the two live wires in the same place

[@leenoone5659]

I have the same switch and my bulbs flicker and the switch doesn't do anything or light up

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Could be faulty? If it's a two gang, try swapping the switched lives?

[@leenoone5659]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK no it's only a single. I might send it back to Amazon

[@leenoone5659]

@Imran Samir I used the one that came with it

[@jassixxx]

Great video!! I’ve been looking around for no-neutral smart switch. The one you have demonstrated doesn’t use an in-line capacitor. Is that right? Can you post a reply with the model number?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

It came with a capacitor. You don't need to use it on most modern led lights. Mine were ok and it wasn't required. Unfortunately, the model is no longer available but here's a link to it for reference. www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07Z4WVCLN/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_shQNFbBMX00VK?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[@FlameCRO]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK what's that capacitor even for? Can this switch be used for something else other than the lights? I'd need it to turn on my hydrophore in my cottage. Would it work or is it just for lights. My main question is what are capacitors for in this case

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

@@FlameCRO The capacitor is to stop light flicker as some light fitments suffer from this. This is for lights only, you'd be better off with a smart plug socket. amzn.to/35gkVri

[@johngully6672]

Utv thank you very much I've hunted for a no neutral smart switch video and there all so bloody confusing, yours is the one I needed, saved me 100 aud. One question why didn't you need to use the capacitor ?

[@UTILITARIANTVUK]

Glad the video helped. The capacitor is only needed if you get flickering. It depends on the light fitment and bulbs. If it's a modern non dimmable bulb, the majority of the time, the capacitor isn't required.

[@cristinanonnato8948]

@@UTILITARIANTVUK HI! Great! I have 1 gang. At the old switch I have 2 red wires and the green and yellow one (earth). Where would I connect the earth? thanks if you can help me

[@shaykt6869]

What about the yellow thing where you put?

[@CliveMalepa]

Cheers, the 4 wires baffled me till I watched this!