No One Understands Power Levels in the Dragon Ball Movies

[@baval5]

You got one thing wrong: you put Brolys power at 50 billion, when canonically his power is maximum.

[@yurazah]

True

[@Chillbro740]

@@yurazahactually I’m pretty sure broly’s legendary super saiyan transformation is the same as the legend in which case his power is infinite increasing with time until he ends up killing himself or something i’m just speculating so yeah

[@WackyWeasel0211]

@baval "...Prove it!"

[@yurazah]

@@Chillbro740 from my research for this video, I think brolys power increasing happens in his normal ssj form too, so its not the form that does that, its just his base ability

[@miimiibeschde4818]

"MY POWER IS MAXIMUMER!"

[@onorebakasama]

"The Garden Gang and their Mighty Tree" sounds like it's one of the millions of Scooby-Doo knockoff shows from the 1970s, hah.

[@TheGuy53X]

Honestly I'm so glad people are realising that the guidebooks power levels are not trustworthy, Ox King at like 800 was wack.

[@danielperoverde1998]

800 Ox King not helping with Raditz was a big middle finger raised toward his family :D

[@TheGuy53X]

@@danielperoverde1998 guide book Ox king and Mr. Popo could have ganged up on Raditz and make it out without anyone dying.

[@danielperoverde1998]

@@TheGuy53X I wonder why the guide books put Ox King so much higher than his literal master. At 800 he would have won ever Tournament up until Z without even breaking a sweat.

[@TheGuy53X]

@@danielperoverde1998 I'm not an expert, but I suspect the guide book writes were going off of vibes and a very dumbed down version of the story. Like, "wow, this guy pretty big, and he doesn't fight that much, must be strong!" or "This Piccolo is the father of that piccolo? He must be stronger then!"

[@dansmith1661]

Pilaf at 100. Bro could have beaten Goku easily.

[@OverdueArtist]

If you don’t wanna do super, you can do heroes instead!

[@yurazah]

0-0

[@codeless6648]

That's way worse

[@numerousbees12]

NO

[@najibosman6497]

Heroes is objectively worse than super for power scaling 😂😂

[@sorayasayeh9135]

Af please trust me bro its much better

[@lsixty30]

This helped me understand when each movie takes place relative to the main series.

[@Gaia_BentosZX5]

This is the point where power levels are purely for marketing and are beginning to be phased out of the story. The only reason power levels existed in the first place was because of the scouters. This is why Broly and Gogeta break the entire concept of the power level in half just by existing AND duking it out.

[@leannestewart7215]

When will I get my “no one understand power levels in dragon ball and dragon ball Z filler” hm hm? When?

[@mystic_sand]

8:22 Cooler said that Goku is several times(more than two, but not much) stronger than frieza. Frieza's Power Level is 120 million, so it would mean Goku's pl is 240 Million+

[@yurazah]

I invoke the rule of stupid, where a statement is too ridiculous to take seriously, were not just gonna pretend gokus base got over 50x stronger with no explanation

[@neffdigitydog]

@@yurazah He never even said final form though. And given that Frieza spends most of his time in 1st form, then goku could have been anywhere from multiple times stronger than 1st - 3rd form, or even a suppressed final form. I put Goku at around 10,600,000 at base form. And given that Cooler said that Frieza always had the edge, which implies he was only a bit stronger than Cooler, I put Cooler at around 94 Million before transforming. Cooler has the knowledge that saiyans can get at least 10x stronger by becoming Oozaru. This would put him Goku around 106 million with an equivalent Kaioken x10. Cooler wouldn't know about Kaioken but would be assuming that he could get 10x stronger. And given that Cooler would've been supressed at around 10-12 million due to being overconfident at first, just like Frieza, he would have a good gauge of what Goku's "full power" was and thus know he shouldn't waste time and go straight to transforming because other wise a 10x Goku would possibly beat him. Cooler in 5th form was able to beat Kaioken x 20 pretty easily. Goku was able to get a good shot in every know and then, but ultimately Cooler was dominating right then. Goku as Kaioken x20 would have a power of 212,000,000. So if Cooler is dominating that power, then he is easily around 2-3x stronger. I put 5th form Cooler at 5x stronger than his previous form. 94x5 is 470. So Cooler's 5th form power level is 470,000,000. Goku as a super saiyan would be 530,000,000.

[@Emmiwinningben]

Bro REALLY doesn’t want to do super

[@yurazah]

So much big number math...

[@EYeager835]

​@@yurazahdo it, also after this, can you go over the jjk power level system? It's confusing but I believe in you

[@muwvana]

super power levels are too big and the amount of cliffing will make yura go insane

[@marv34001]

You can't ignore the ridiculous feats for convenience and by assuming the intentions of the directors.

[@yurazah]

why not?

[@marv34001]

@ because you could do the same thing for some of the crazy feats later in the manga. The feats are the feats, if it seems crazy, then that just means the characters are very powerful. That just has to be taken into consideration. Still a good vid I just thought that was a weird thing to say.

[@SoundwaveSC]

@@marv34001 Outliers can and should be disregarded if they're silly enough.

[@marv34001]

@ yeah but none of the ones in the movies are silly and they aren’t even considered outliers, as they are separate from the main story and those are the only feats given.

[@Skivv5]

I love ur stuff, you deserve 500k subs :)

[@Nathaniel-w5n]

360 million in base after the ROSAT is ridiculous.

[@marctm7614]

This entire video is ridiculous.

[@cinemasaviors9464]

I was with you until you gave Bardock a 5 times Zenkai boost. Not because of how MUCH of a boost you gave him, but because you gave him a boost at all. In order for a Saiyan to receive a Zenkai boost, he must RECOVER or be HEALED from near death. After Dodoria nearly killed Bardock, Bardock NEVER healed or recovered from the damage he sustained. He went straight to Planet Vegeta to warn the Saiyans about Frieza. And Bardock was so injured, he was staggering and falling down the entire time he was there. And when the Saiyans didn't believe him, he dug deep and used what little strength he had left to fly into space and confront Frieza alone. So at what point would Bardock have gotten a Zenkai boost? In fact, he would've been WEAKER than the 10,000 power level you initially gave him due to the battle damage he sustained from Dodoria.

[@irmacastilla5003]

it was just some comic thing, dont mind that

[@cinemasaviors9464]

@@irmacastilla5003What do you mean by “some comic thing”? I don’t understand.

[@irmacastilla5003]

@@cinemasaviors9464 so you dont know whats a joke

[@cinemasaviors9464]

@@irmacastilla5003 More like I didn’t UNDERSTAND the joke. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@irmacastilla5003]

​@@cinemasaviors9464 ok, it can be either

[@Kingjaymes1234]

5:33 You can't do that, that's not how things work at all, and can skew the powerscaling of the levels drastically

[@yurazah]

I'm keeping the movie consistent with the others, opposed to 2 statements causing everything else to need changing due to the same people who made the bad power level pamphlet

[@Kingjaymes1234]

@yurazah Turles isn't as strong as 2nd form Frieza, and Giant Lord Slug IS implied to be stronger, stated that even a super saiyan or Frieza might not be able to beat him at that point, implying that Giant Lord Slug is closer to being around Namel SSJ Goku, meanwhile, Cooler doesn't seem surprised by the thought that a Base Goku in his eyes could have taked down Frieza, and I wouldn't doubt that Cooler knows Frieza's full power, implying that Coolers Revenge Base Goku is around as strong as if not a bit stronger than 100% Frieza on Namek, which would make WAY more sense than Frieza's STRONGER brother being a 20th of his power, and also, the Meta Coolers are implied to grow as they fight and regenerate, also, the movies follow the Anime Scaling, and in the Anime, the humans have better showings that would vouch for them being around the same levels as the base saiyans, like in the Anime Krillin is able to actually slightly hurt Imperfect Cell, which, yeah, going by that, the scaling of the humans in the movies makes WAY more sense, also, I feel like some power gaps were a bit, iffy, to say the least, like 64 Billion Goku one-tapping 50 Billion LSSJ Broly, also, speaking of whom, it's implied that Base Goku was able to do so well against SSJ Broly (A restricted and weak SSJ at that), mostly due to SKILL rather than power

[@Kingjaymes1234]

@yurazah Also, we literally get power level readings, to ignore them is just being biased, like, the power levels are given for a reason, also, a guidebook specifies Goku's Kaioken against Giant Lord Slug to be a ×100, known to be the highest ever shown in the series, so that should have been mentioned

[@neffdigitydog]

@@yurazah 85K frieza can be assumed to be Frieza in his resting or not full power first form power. Frieza needs to really power up for a while to reach 530k when he first fights vegeta. so if frieza was just always at 530k then he would never have needed to strain to power up before he and vegeta traded blows for the first time. 85K can be assumed to be the power Frieza was at when he fought Nail. Nail was only 40 something thousand, so it would make sense for 85k to be high enough to dominate in that fight. Then after that he would do his long power up sequence that early Z was known for to get to his full 530k when fighting vegeta. With that said, the pamphlet isn't as bad as you make it out to be, but isn't great either.

[@yurazah]

@@Kingjaymes1234 maybe I didn't say in this video specifically, but I have zero trust in the guidebooks, if it didn't happen in the source material, then it didn't happen

[@fulsted7167]

Cooler is not significantly weaker than Frieza. He felt Goku's base power at higher than Frieza, and was still confident he could beat him without transforming.

[@SoundwaveSC]

Is it ever said that Cooler can sense power levels in Movie 5? He doesn't ever wear a scouter, but neither did King Cold, who can't. I always chalked it up as him claim being based more on vibes.

[@fulsted7167]

@SoundwaveSC Your opinion doesnt correlate when it hasnt been proven. there is no reason to assume Goku wasnt actually that strong just because it doesnt SEEM like it. Especially when the opposite was directlt stated in the movie. Stop making up shit

[@leannestewart7215]

1:47 only when locked in [echos](insert Napa’s face becoming more serious and multiple more Napa faces scrolling bye before sopping after 10 sec)

[@leannestewart7215]

Going giant makes a namekian a little stronger as sailed by Piccolo in DBS super hero

[@Kingjaymes1234]

Saying Broly in Broly Second Coming in LSSJ is the same as in Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan is just... this guy is HARD implied to have gotten a Zenkai boost

[@neffdigitydog]

I agree. But that being said, you could also rationalize that being frozen for around 7 years might negate the power boost that the zenkai would have given. It just depends on what logic you want to go by, either the logic that Broly is stronger because of the zenkai boost, or that broly is not much stronger because he was frozen for 7 years.

[@brendiesel386]

6:00 Goku is stated to be 30,000, Piccolo at 18,000, and Gohan is 10,000 by Turles’ scouter in the movie EDIT: Goku says Lord Slug is stronger than anybody he’s ever faced before He then proceeds to trade blows with Slug before eventually being beaten down This would scale Goku & Slug above Turles after eating the fruits in Tree of Might Heiya Dragon from Tree of Might returns, and when Slug reads Bulma’s mind, he sees the last time they used the Dragon Balls, looking oddly similar to a scene from Tree of Might 8:30 Goku gets a Zenkai in this movie Cooler one shots him at the beginning of the movie, and spends most of it wounded, until being brought a Senzu Bean by Gohan Cooler stops the fight, the first thing he does is compliment Goku’s strength, now confident he is the one who bested his brother This would imply Goku was stronger than Freeza in base

[@leannestewart7215]

You Massively down played super Jinimda he was holding back and still won against SSJ 4 3(!) 3(!) I meant 3(!) Goku

[@HORRIOR1]

Considering Broly destroyed quarter of the universe in like 5 seconds of screen time (could have been sped up for the sake of saving on animation) in his RESTRICTED form, the movies have been confirmed to take place in an alternative timeline, and Goku is said to have received a thousand time powermultiplier for his final attack by promotional material, and the writer has come out up front that Second Coming Gohan never stopped training, I would say Broly in his LSSJ form in the first movie, has broken the 1 trillion mark.

[@flameemperor9548]

Love your channel, stoked to watch this

[@chupa3219]

I look forward to your vids bro you're doing awesome.

[@Okamikurainya]

Well... If you really want to stall the Super video, there's always the Crossover specials. Whadya say, put a power level to Luffy and Toriko? 😏

[@yurazah]

tricky, do we scale them to how they compare to goku, or how strong they should be in their own shows?

[@sinistor3727]

@@yurazah Only compare to Goku? I felt like if you scale them to how strong they could be in their own show the power progression wouldn't be much of a leap that it could become hard to not over measure it.

[@peika8324]

holy shet i never realise just how op fusion is before super, trillions! Buuhan really got lucky vegito isnt in a hurry

[@yurazah]

vegeto was like 6x stronger than buuhan in base

[@leannestewart7215]

Base Freeza is 60,000,000 ten times cooler’s base but Freeza has his buff form to double his power

[@yurazah]

freeza doesn't have a buff form, he has his full power that he isnt used to useing, its not referred to as a form at any point, unless super made you think that, cause they did retcon it into being a form, when it clearly wasnt, just like they did with gohans ultimate form.

[@ناصرعادل-د6ل]

yeah am early for once also i really like the way you do power levels it really unique and easy i prefer it over the pwer levels wiki

[@WackyWeasel0211]

Amazing analysis. Reminds me of that one certain brilliant scientist.

[@shararm]

Found your channel yesterday and now im first

[@Chillbro740]

12:05 on the topic how long of a crash out did broly have to get enough power to destroy a galaxy?

[@somethingwithultra7231]

Always had Nappa at 6000, since it'd feel in line with Vegeta somehow. While also being weak enough that Goku at full power could just destroy him (if we look at how Cui was taken out by a Vegeta who had the same-ish power difference.)

[@Zethlynn]

Yoooo it's the power level guy! After dragon ball are you thinking of moving to other animes or will you stay with DB?

[@yurazah]

I've got lots of ideas swarming

[@Zethlynn]

@yurazah excited to see whatever you push forwards

[@Nomadsword]

nothing shows how bullshit power levels are quite like earlier fights being close with discrepancies of a few thousand, and then later fights being the same despite literal billions of level differences. I guess if you want to give benefit of the doubt power levels have incredibly diminished returns after a while

[@EmeralBookwise]

Actually, early fights were curbstomps even with somewhat close power levels. Vegeta at (24k) was able to effortless one-shot Kui at (18k) a difference of just 33%. Dadoria was even stronger than Kui, so an even closer margin of maybe 22%, but still goes down almost as easily. Zarbon is the first of Frieza's minions to put up any kind of fight against Vegeta, so the margin might be around 11%, but even he can't land a solid hit on the Siayan prince before transforming and flipping advantage entirely. If anything the early examples just go to show that most fans probably overestimate how much stronger the characters get in later arcs, because they base everything off the wildly exponential growth seen during the fight against Frieza... ignoring the fact that the only reason Frieze wasn't killing everyone with a single punch is because he was purposefully dragging those fights out to indulge his own sadistic cruelty. By the time Frieza finally goes all out (120 million) and is actually trying to end the fight it's against Super Saiyan Goku (150 million), a difference of 25%, and while the anime makes it look like a close fight, it was almost entirely one-sided in the manga, just like might be expected with a margin that was probably similar to Vegeta vs Dadoria.

[@BebeSensei]

@@EmeralBookwisethe most reliablr info from guidebooks is that if you are 1.5x stronger than your opponent you can reliably win exchanges, but arent bulldozing. Theres a chabce for the opponent 2x stronger and you can realistically bulldoze them snd tank their normal attacks unless its a fully charged named attack (named ki attacks have multipliers too) 2.5x or more, instant win, nothing they can do against you

[@Cableguy15]

@@EmeralBookwise 100% Freeza vs SSJ Goku goes blow for blow in the manga, too. I counted 8 hits to 8 up until Goku tells him his power is dropping. The anime gives Freeza way more hits to probably make Goku still feel like the underdog, but it's pretty even in the manga. I think the big difference is Goku not having a clear head until the end (Which is stated by the creator to impact one's overall power) and that he has suddenly become 50x stronger and probably has no idea what to do with it.

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@Cableguy15: Frieza might get some hits in, but nothing that inflicts any meaningful damage.

[@Nota6693]

12:38 In a guide book it was stated that the whole getting from others boosts your powers 1000.

[@rapidkai51423]

Now that I think about it, I don't think I understand the power levels in Dragon Ball AF either

[@yurazah]

I'm not that desperate for ideas yet

[@ben_adel3437]

In most af stories goku is insane like insane insane in toyble one he's stronger than ssj4 gogeta in base😭 in young jijis one he's stronger than ssj6 gohan in his ssj5 which idek what it means atp

[@timotheeeee]

6:24 Turles literally said Goku’s power level was 30,000 in base, and was barely able to keep up with him so he is probably like second form Zarbon

[@yurazah]

before the turles movie I include a disclaimer saying was going to ignore the in movie power level statements, since they dont fit into the main story at any point and are completely random

[@leannestewart7215]

Bio Broly is the most powerful Broly

[@Mister_Gam3]

Wake up Mom, Yurazah posted peak again🔥

[@metal87power]

I always considered techniques, moves, and animation style to measure power levels; therefore, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th power levels don't go beyond Saiyan Saga. Turles = Wheelo = Lord Slug = Raw Vegeta or slightly above him. Esp. Goku relies on Kaioken, but he still hasn't gotten his Namek Saga level, in which Kaioken is not only less taxing for his body, but he doesn't need to use it as his regular power. In those first movies, he acts as if basic Kaioken was taxing him very much. So your estimations are wrong. I could agree that Turles gained enormous power up from eating the fruit because Goku required Earth sized Genki Dama to defeat him and Vegeta took much weaker Genki Dama ball.

[@Jehtblu]

Didn’t finish. Your logic doesn’t make sense. Tree of might: the Z fighters are all alive, so there’s no reason to go to Namek. This timeline must be one in which Picollo survived the saiyan saga. Goku is probably around 8.5k to10k.

[@yurazah]

Im not doing fanfic alternate timeline stuff rn, the movie writers didnt put that much thought into it

[@Jehtblu]

@@yurazahit’s all fan fiction. The movie was released before Goku started his 100g training, but even if we go by your logic of Goku being 90k, the Z fighters are strong enough to beat the Ginyu force. At least 45k to 50k.

[@yurazah]

@@Jehtblu ya, your right, if we want to work with the ginyu filler, then they should all be stronger, then piccolo could be like 70k

[@Jehtblu]

@ blah, it goes either way. I think it would make more sense if Goku wasn’t at his 90k mark. Nice job regardless

[@MP-nz1kd]

So Santa's power is 60 billions? Thanks for the warning, Ill refrain from complaining if I get something bad next Frieza day!

[@insanemakaioshin]

10:50 - The only character with a confirmed power level of 1 billion is Fat Buu, with Perfect Cell having a power level of 900 million. 11:30 - That’s stronger than Kid Buu’s 1.15 Billion & Broly’s 10 Billion in his debut.

[@_Podzilla_]

Saw a video where someone states that Cooler's power level is in the billions even before his Final Form. Forgot the video name though

[@Kingjaymes1234]

For the 85,000 Frieza, some people in the power level community have that for his casual power level on namek, while just chilling, like, that as his power level against Nail, as he said, he wasn't going all out and, considering Nail is put as 42k in multiple places, yeah, 85k makes a good bit of sense, being over twice it

[@alexaddonizio]

Only issue with this is keeping the same power levels between fights. It has been stated several times that Saiyans get a lot stronger with each fight, basically being a multiplier. So Gohan being the same power level for like 3 movies is absurd. Other than that, it was nice to see this perspective!

[@EmeralBookwise]

Except it isn't really supposed to be just fighting that makes a Sayain stronger, but specifically recovering from the injuries they sustain while fighting. The more serious the injuries, the bigger the boost, with the biggest boost of all always being when they recover from near the brink of death. Gohan's injuries are pretty miner in most of the movies. He gets roughed up, occasionally knocked out, but none of it ever seems life threatening. Not to mention there seems to be an upper limit to how strong a Saiyan can get just by recovering from injuries, as the wild exponential boosts only ever really happen on Namek, and mostly disappear after that. More importantly though, the movies were never really trying to be their own distinct continuity that maintained logical consistency from one to the next, and instead mostly just copied the characters as a they were at whatever point in the anime the movie was being released at.

[@damienharbin242]

I’m drawing the line at Cooler’s revenge. No way Goku and Vegeta are only in the 300 millions. If Vegeta is a super Saiyan, it’s post 3 years training for androids. At that point, every single one of the characters was told not to even show their faces if they couldn’t beat characters stronger than Frieza. That means the humans are in the 100 million range. Goku and Vegeta get a 50 times boost with super Saiyan putting them in the 5 billion range. And that’s if you lowball and say they only got strong enough to fight Frieza. They were actually told they’d be fighting people stronger than the Goku who was leagues stronger than a Trunks who was stronger than a powered up Frieza.

[@sarojandongol1482]

Super vid is next up bois. We made it! unless there's a vid on dragon ball evolution or smth lmao

[@brendiesel386]

4:38 The biomen catch Gohan off guard and beat him unconscious

[@cccpredarmy]

I just had an "akshually"-thought. We are used to throw huge numbers around. E.g. person A with 350mil is easily loosing to person B so that means person B must be at least 2x stronger at 700mil. But what if a boost of 100k , so roughly a "whole Goku arriving on Namek"-power boost is enough to wipe the floor with a 350mil guy? In other words: what if a fighter of 20000 is outperforming another one with 10000 (so 10k difference) roughly as much as Goku from Nappa fight (with his OVER 9000!!!) would outperform an average human male. That way every powerlvl number carries MORE weight so we end up with way lesser numbers

[@cadegossmanYT]

Bro you deserve like 500k subs

[@yurazah]

thk u

[@mysticsaiyan5802]

5:37 i think ignoring the movie's readings is kind of a bad idea, i dont think the canon should matter at all, these movies happen in alternate dimensions

[@yurazah]

the movie writers never really thought that, while writing them, its just a retroactive excuse

[@KAISER59264]

You forgot something in the cooler movie. Goku almost died from protecting gohan then later get heal by a senzu bean, so he should have gained a zenkai boost and his power should be more than 6 millions.

[@yurazah]

huh, you know, I guess, but it feels weird, since I doubt that was the intention of the movie writers, but technically, though, goku getting a big permanent boost, mid movie also messes with its ability to work into cannon

[@DigitalWraith]

The old promotional magazines in Japan said that Broly got a zenkai boost in the second movie from surviving Goku's attack in the first movie. Also Gohan stated that Super Saiyan Broly is as much of a monster as he was the last time they fought. This means Broly's Super Saiyan form in the second movie is as strong as his Legendary Super Saiyan form in the first. Also, I don't think Broly was that much stronger than the other z fighters in the first Broly movie. In Dragon Ball, a power difference of 1.5 times is enough to have a significant advantage and allow fighters to rag-doll their enemies. For example, in the Saiyan arc, Krillin used an attack that was able to kill 4 Saibamen each with the battle power of 1,200. A combined power of 4,800. But Krillin's battle power at that time was 1,770, a power difference of 1.4x of a Saibaman's 1,200. True, Krillin missed one of them, but it's safe to say that if his attack hit, the last one would have died as well. However, Krillin couldn't beat Nappa who had a battle power of 4,000. I say all this to say I think Broly was around 1.7x to 2x stronger than Goku during his first movie. It would also explain why a weaker Gohan was able to fight evenly against him. Keep in mind that neither Goku nor Gohan were Mastered Super Saiyans. As they weren't transformed 24/7 like they were during the 9 days before the Cell Games. So it's safe to say the first movie takes place while Goku and Gohan were still training in the Room of Spirit and time. Lastly, Broly doesn't keep getting stronger as time goes on. In his Legendary Super Saiyan state, his ki rises to a point, then it overflows. Meaning Broly has to vent his ki or else it will destroy his body. Broly: *"My ki is rising, overflowing!"* (then shoots ki blasts in random directions and is left fatigued, breathing hard for a short time) This is likely what happened when Goku punched a hole in him. That green light in Broly's body was probably his energy. Notice that even Broly's blood was glowing green. So it makes sense that this is the case. And regrettably, bio-Broly is stronger than the original. At least according to the guidebooks. But due to his mind being all messed up, he can't properly utilize his power effectively.

[@manuelquijada817]

A few things you could do before dbs are Son Goku and Friends, and Episode of Bardock, A Hero's legacy, or even the Path To Power movie. There's also Db Evolution but that's more out there.

[@yurazah]

It would be really funny to do my normal thumbnail style for power level videos, but just include a png of the live action goku actor

[@manuelquijada817]

@@yurazah Yeah it’s be hilarious to just see him next to the other ones.

[@Procrastinater]

You're scaling ss3 Gotenks way way too low, and by extention Gohan as well. I'm with you, putting ss3 Goku at 200 billion, but ss1 Gotenks before his hyperbolic time chamber boost should be as strong or stronger than ss3 Goku, due to Goku being confident that they could beat Majin buu. If we take what the boys say at face value in the time chamber, they improved their power so much that they thought they could fight majin buu in their base form, not their super saiyan form. So so ss1 Gotenks is somewhere between twice as strong to 50 times as strong as ss3 Goku, depending on how full of shit they were. Then, we get a x8 ontop of that for ss3. Meaning ss3 Gotenks at the time of movie 13 should have a PL between 3,2 trillion and 80 trillion. Gohan should at the very least be twice that, at somewhere between 6,4 trillion and 160 trillion. The buu saga powerlevels went crazy, normal super saiyan transformations just did not cut it against the super buu's. (Yes, that makes movie 13 make no sense, but that's normal for movies)

[@Sludgeyriffs]

10:00 Super Saiyan Goku is 350 mil giving him a base of 7 mil but unrage boosted base Gohan is 100 mil???

[@SoundwaveSC]

I don't think Bardock got a zenkai boost in his special because he never got healed, he was just almost dead the whole time following the attack by Dodoria. Dude legit almost passes out before being woken up by another vision. Pure strength of will and determination is the only thing keeping him going. Piccolo has fused with Kami in Movie 6, because we see Dende is the Guardian of Earth at the start of the movie...for some reason.

[@acelnikitta4625]

Bardock never got any zenkai boost prior to facing Frieza his power level stayed at 10.000 or below because he was still injured

[@blazzingprime1278]

You forgot goku absorb piccolo power and kaioken times 100 7:40

[@Gamesux421]

Giving you all my power of exactly 1, hopefully you can beat nappa soon.

[@yurazah]

tnk u

[@lackluster4777]

Turles is just wacky cause he states himself directly that Piccolo was around 18000 and Goku was 30000. So ain't no way bro is 1 million

[@yurazah]

like I wrote in the video, I chose to ignore thoes power levels he stated, due to not fitting with the cannon story at any point

[@elguily113]

9:34 yeah Gohan completely obliterate base Goku and Vegeta

[@codycartwright6998]

Gonna disagree with you on Goku not getting a Zenkai boost after the Sayian Arc. Him not being able to access higher levels of Kai-Ken just means a higher level like 5x isn't achievable at his current level of power. Goku can increase in power, but that boost in power can also be low enough that he can't go any higher. For all we know, even if Goku went above 10000 it might not make him strong enough to use a higher level of KK. We don't know what the power thresholds are.

[@EmeralBookwise]

It's not so much that Goku didn't get stronger after fighting Vegeta, it's that the people writing the movie had nothing to go on in deciding how much stronger he should be. At the point the movie had been released, Goku in the manga was still traveling to Namek and hadn't even finished his gravity training yet. That's also ignoring the fact the movie would have started production before that and it's probably better to compare its placement to where the anime was at, where no one had arrived at Namek yet. That's why every technique Goku uses in World's Strongest is based off his fight with Vegeta. Heck, it's probably also the same reason his final opponent is a of a similar size to a great ape, because the fight at the end of the Saiyan arc would have been the most recent material they had to work with and copy off of.

[@leannestewart7215]

Also the movies are actually stronger than canon Edit: that is why any power level for a character from the anime have inaccurate numbers they are actually accurate to the movies that is it directly contradicts Freeza’s own word as in the movies that what he would have said his power level was

[@Almaceneroxiaomi]

I don't think it makes much sense to say that the characters have the same power levels in the anime and in the movies, the movies always took place in their own parallel universe, or at least that's what the creators say, but if you want to do it that way, yes everything makes a lot of sense, except for Tapion's power level, how can he have 500 if he cut Hildergard in half in a flashback, I mean he could have been made weaker by containing Hildergard but I don't think he has only 500

[@yurazah]

your misremembering, tapion wasnt the guy who cut Hirudegan, it was the wizard that also sealed Hirudegan in him

[@Almaceneroxiaomi]

I just checked, you're right, I really thought it was him because they looked a bit alike but it's another person, I also wonder how strong he was.

[@mitchellbailey6258]

Bro just hates goten and trunks. Gohan was worried that goten might surpass him in a very short amount of time when they were training, they have to be somewhat relative to the main saiyans even if its only 30%

[@garrylean9493]

If you don't wanna do Super, then how about Gine's power level? She was on Bardocks squad for a time after all!

[@thehollidayexperience]

I know this would be a stretch, but if you really want to put off super then Dragon Ball Xenoverse came out before it, so you could try to scale the power levels of Demigra and the powered up villains

[@eidkristo6107]

So super broly is with the super vid nice

[@milicabojic9434]

Goated

[@insaiyanmangaka7277]

Nice video but why is gohan at 100 million during the return of cooler i understand piccolo being that high but gohans never been stated to be that high in base ive always been under the impression that a base gohan then was under goku and vegetas and trunks and wouldve been closer to or abit above krillin

[@yurazah]

gohan was neer piccolo before they started the 3 year training, then gohan trains with goku and piccolo for 3 years, if piccolo got that strong, id bet gohan got atleast that 100 mill

[@Procrastinater]

Goku's base is 6 million in the cooler movie? Namek - end Goku's base is just 3 million though, how did you get 6 million? We never get any indication of Goku's PL after mecha frieza, are you assuming zenkai boost of x2 after the frieza saga? Also, Final form frieza base and supressed was 4 million, wasn't it? or was it 3 million? Anyway, it certainly was not his 100% full power, and there is no reason to think that Cooler isn't supressing his final/true form base power like frieza anyway.

[@yurazah]

goku is at 6 million because he is comparable to trunks, who easily oneshots freeza after he returns saying he got stronger

[@Procrastinater]

@@yurazah Well sure, but we're left in the dark as to what Frieza considers his "normal" His 100% is a form that rapidly decreases his strength after all. That said, I'm sure we're supposed to think of him as being stronger than ever before, but that line of thinking is what makes King Cold an enigma. Mecha Frieza could be at 5-6 million+, stronger than his baseline final form and still consider himself "stronger" and nothing will be contradicted as Frieza would still be far more than any of the z fighters present could handle, be far weaker than a relatively weak ss in the form of Trunks, and a not much improved ss Goku could effortlessly block Trunk's attacks as a super saiyan. I personally like that angle more, as it seems wrong that Trunks as a super saiyan could approach the power level Goku displayed on Namek, considering the effort Goku put in to be as strong as he was.

[@grahamtek]

#1 forth #2 I know you are just stalling for the super video #3 I feel like the movie charecters are supposed to be op #4 you are definitely gonna make tons and tons of random videos to stall until daima is over and do that before super

[@GabrielSamantha-z3w]

I actually gotta argue Cooler is still likely stronger than Frieza We can assume so in 3 ways 1: Cooler is 100% confident in avenging his father and Should know Frieza true strength 2: Regardless of whether Goku used super Saiyan or the spirit bomb to kill Frieza he very obviously got a zenkai boost from getting beat down so bad and considering the ridiculous and nonsensical zenkai boost he got in the Ginyu saga from 90,000 in base to being able to perform better than Vegeta against suppressed final form Frieza who is stronger than 3rd form Frieza who is definitely quite stronger than 2nd forms over 1 million power level And considering how bad Goku got beat down He likely experienced a similar boost after defeating Frieza Not mentioning if this is intended to take place after friezas return and during their training for the androids Basically gokus base power has gotta be higher than end of namek gokus and while this is speculation considering a around after saiyan saga Goku could use a kaioken x 10 in tree of might It's not unlikely this Goku has a higher kaioken level considering he could use x20 on Frieza before

[@tjakes8820]

i like your reasoning but your numbers are wayyyy to high in Battle of Gods movie Beerus says that Goku wouldn't be able to defeat Frieza in his base form so he is below 120,000,000 in his base form

[@yurazah]

that line in battle of gods is comical, it contradicts 2 arcs of our characters getting very clear significant power boosts. it just makes sense to ignore the bog comment over trying to retcon the entire series to fit the new statement

[@tjakes8820]

@@yurazah Frieza was a milestone most of the characters rely on their transformations (It's also possible Goku was suppressed when Beerus said that) I'd say Goku didn't surpass the 100 million mark until the Buu arc. Broly being at 50 billion is absurd Lol I love your work though and I like your explanations just in disagreement with the numbers.

[@parkouremaster]

Isn't stated in the Turles movie, by Turles himself Goku power level is 30k? bro it's nothing, but you just made the numbers way to much

[@yurazah]

I have a disclaimer about that in the video before I talk about that arc, the power levels they have in it don't fit in with the main story at any point, so I just ignored them so the video could be consistent

[@amarronco-zi5hl]

Make Db super bro 🙏🏻

[@guritamarctiberiu1567]

Unpopular opinion: the base form of the saiyans is at most 2-4 times stronger than Tien and Krillin before Super, after the whole God Ki absorption shenanigans its hard to quantify, but the fact that Tien was not instantly vaporised by Gohans jackhammer and Krillin didnt instantly die when punched by Goku is consistent throughout the power gap of the base. What we do know for sure is that base Gohan is stronger than 50% Freeza in the Buu Saga by a very large margin as shown it takes a single punch to kill him in Fusion Reborn, if we lowball Gohan to being just as weak in the TOP training arc we can conclude that Tien not being vaporised by a Gohan that does not know how to hold back all that well places him in the ball park of the tens of millions powerlevel, similar situation with Krillin. Im not sure if they could defeat 100% Namek Freeza from a pure power perspective (with techniques they can), but I am pretty sure the feats they show and the hits they can tank are pretty much similar to a 50% Freeza from a raw power perspective, while having a clear advantage in Ki control and martial arts.

[@yurazah]

its unpopular cause its wrong, the saiyans get so much stronger while in the time chamber that theres no way, plus supreme kai says he is stronger than freeza, but hes also weaker than base vegeta, meaning base vegeta is stronger than ssj goku from the namek arc

[@ThatsBarbaric]

Do super plsssss

[@he_who_has_no_name]

You're really trying to avoid Super ain't you?

[@blankblank6214]

If you want to stall super there are always the video games

[@VinniMug]

It is time for SUPER! YAYYYY! That ought to give him a headache lol

[@Thecrafter4]

Less gooo

[@catgirljune7837]

another yurazah banger!

[@DHatter000]

Like number 48! If subscribers really did translate to power levels... I am just gonna stay over here with Mr Satan so I look stronger by comparison. Wish you included Chi chi, she fought some henchmen, that makes her more valuable in combat than Choutsu (can't remember how to spell it, don't care enough to look it up.... that feels like it fits his character) And OG broly is best. Taking that SS1.75 form to good use. Just T pose and move forward! kzbin.infot6hgDiH0tDI shameless power up sequence with no budget!!!....just like in the movies!

[@Tlex98]

But the biomen have a listed pl of a thousand

[@yurazah]

Don't trust the guides, they have malicious intent

[@Tlex98]

@yurazah Malicious seems a little extreme. I see you arguing they're not consistent, but could you please elaborate on your argument?

[@TheGuy53X]

​@@Tlex98all you need to know is that they once gave king piccolo a pl higher than end of OG Piccolo

[@dansmith1661]

Roshi dominated all of them by himself.

[@MagicGonads]

obviously krillin is that powerful because he could flinch super saiyan grade 4 goku with a thrown rock

[@cdt549]

😂😂😂 this video such nonsense

[@BlueBerryBoi-jg9tq]

😂😂😂 powerscaling is nonsense

[@SaimaZahid-dg1lc]

🐼

[@freakpharaoh]

Doesnt matter anymore

[@Nota6693]

6:43 Master roshi i think said in the Japanese version of lord slug that goku is stronger then he was on namek. But he dosent know how to transform into a supersaiyan so maybe lord slug play befor coolers revenge where is was sayed that frieza was killed by the spirit bomb i think this goku is around 3,5 million or something and lord slug is probably around 65 million or something because of the whole stronger then frieza thing Btw nice video

[@sorabutnotsmash]

cant wait for the super video😈😈

[@AsakniGames]

Goten and trunks got downplayed masivley lol

[@yurazah]

people have just been overrating them for too long

[@AsakniGames]

@yurazah I mean thats fair but personaly i'd say They're both a teir below gohan after the 7 year time skip based on gohan being suprised how strong goten was and that he said if he didnt train he'd get surpassed quickly. Also goten and trunks did pretty well against 18. 18 was taking it a bit seriously but not entierly tho. I respect the opinion tho

[@crestofhonor2349]

I believe in Super Hero movie Piccolo does say that becoming bigger does not increase his power so yes that would be true. Also for Super's movies I wouldn't use the anime or manga power scaling and just treat the movies as separate. Also maybe to take the Super power levels you could divide everything by a factor of 1 million just to make the math easier since the numbers are so large

[@yurazah]

maybe a good idea

[@BrianAwesome]

I call bs. Nameks are natually bigger/heavier when in giant forms. Id course they'd at least be around 5x stronger.

[@irmacastilla5003]

he is just evading DBS power levels

[@youtubestudiosucks978]

Because they dont care, they just want to see buff halfnaked dudes fight and shoot lasers

[@sebastianaltamirano4991]

you can power scale dragon ball evolution if you really really dont wanna do super (i doubt doing draogn ball evolution is better than doing super tho)

[@WhopDop]

first lol

[@Skivv5]

oof nope

[@XD-ij4dn]

We still waiting for super 🫂 I am really interested on it