The Story of Mal'Ganis, Where did he go?! [Lore]

[@Marc0932671]

lol the subtlitle: "I AM MAL'GANIS! I AM A TURTLE!!! "

[@johngrimm1103]

Mal'ganis has made it to the water!

[@TheLun4tic]

I still wish they would turn him into one or at least make him sheepable during some stage of his fight to kill ads or something. And the only sheep spell that works would be the turtle one.

[@catxborsuq1]

It's interesting to note that, while it was probably not thought up at the time we encountered Mal'ganis in Northrend, Nathreza was no more at that time. Illidan had already shattered it, imploding his portal and causing a cataclysm like the one that shattered Draenor. So perhaps that had contributed to Mal'ganis not returning for so long. As for what had been happening to him since then, he was supposed to be in warlock's order hall if I remember notes from alpha/beta correctly before that idea was scrapped. So... maybe he infiltrated Scarlet Crusade? It could related to those notes we can found in Tirisfal Glades maybe...

[@MsKeroseneLamp]

"Your curiosity will be the death of you." Arthas: Died literally. Jaina: Died metaphorically.

[@kristiyangrigorov5232]

Why Jaina tho?

[@cyclopsboi]

i hadnt realized how seamlessly the dreadlords working for the jailor could work out in the story but hearing how pivotal they were in the setup of all facets of the lich king its surprisingly plausible

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

It's weird how they used someone like Mal'Ganis to make the main protagonists an antagonist for the next story.

[@aleksalukacevic7644]

Well he is e turtle so i guess he made it to the water

[@xdelisiusx]

"I am Mal'Ganis, I am a turtle!"

[@TheWarcraftCode]

What would we all do without the Lore!!! Long live the Lore!!! ^^ PS: and Nobbel

[@thebirdofares]

Oh god no... hearing him say "The Lich King plays a big part in the next expansion" actually made me feel genuine pain. Ow.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Mal'Ganis started Arthas' real journey.

[@BrullenLive]

As true king of the alliance?

[@am7882]

“The lord of the dead” Ye , i love how the jailers just gets rid of everyone who did his part... and each next one thinks he will live thru it :D xD

[@Afaslizo]

Forget Mal'ganis, if Ysera is any clue Malygos and Deathwing might be around as well. And two former dragon aspects might as well be more powerful than one unseen guest.

[@MelfiSilver]

Bless you for not using the reforged footage

[@preds43]

He’s probably going to be in SL as a boss tbh. They’re hiding him way too well, and it’s also kinda ironic how we don’t even know who the author of the Enemy Infiltration book is...yet.

[@fergin4979]

Demons dont go to shadowlands though right they go to the twisting nether. But maybe the raid would be on azeroth in an old zone. It stood out to me the other day that there is in fact a demon in the shadowlands that azmogal guy at Theatre of pain outdoor version.

[@preds43]

@@fergin4979 Well, yeah, Demons go to the Nether when they die. However, because the Dreadlords were highly likely to be once Venthyr, you can just argue that Mal'ganis abandoned the Legion sometime during 7.0, and went back to the Shadowlands to party with the Jailer some more. Pretty sure the Dreadlords can travel to the Shadowlands, despite being transformed into demons, as they were still native to Revendreth (That is, if it's confirmed that the Dreadlords are being talked about in the Enemy Infiltration book). "It stood out to me the other day that there is in fact a demon in the shadowlands that azmogal guy at Theatre of pain outdoor version" Other cosmic forces tried to invade the Shadowlands prior, and in the Maldraxxus Afterlives short, it's confirmed that Draka stole plans from the Legion that involved invading the Shadowlands (Probably because the Void attacked it, therefore making it a target for Sargeras). So, the forces of Maldraxxus likely captured Azmogal as the result of an initial failed Legion invasion attempt over the Shadowlands.

[@fergin4979]

@@preds43 that makes sense thanks for clearing that up!

[@keithlawler5765]

@@preds43 that's a plausible explanation for a general existence of demons within Shadowlands, but it's much more likely in this case at the arena the Brokers kidnapped demons to sell to the Maldraxxians for use in the arena. That's why they have a post outside the arena, and why the combatants are shuttled in using Broker technology.

[@preds43]

@@keithlawler5765 With the current lore going on, Dreadlords don't seem to be truly demons.

[@AlexVikingPro]

Duh, he went to Heroes of the Storm

[@Faust_ZA]

Nah he was rotated to wild format on hearthstone

[@FaeFemboi]

It's kind of crazy how well the lore works for Shadowlands and The Jailer pulling the strings when you realize that Ner'Zul stopped being a thinking entity when they turned him into Frostmourne and the armor, and all the instances of "the lich king" and so on are really in regards to Zhovall and company. Really makes a lot more sense, as, IMHO, the whole "Lich King=Ner'Zul" never really added up for me.

[@greyworld6242]

“The lord of the dead”.....hmm.

[@preds43]

He and the other Dreadlords definitely serve the Jailer.

[@tackjens]

really strange that there wasn't more of him in the demon expansion....

[@Rakinjo2]

"With the new expansion on the horizon" - Uhm..

[@Anthosius]

Wait a second, after this I'm so confused. Did we get any confirmation that the dreadlords are working with the Jailer? If so, the lore now makes no sense at all. Kel'thuzad in w3 was totally against dreadlords, even though he should have known he was working with them at the time? Did he not know this back then ? Am I missing something, or are there some serious plot holes that just totally mess up all the lore. Also didn't the dreadlords helping Sargeras take over Azeroth mess up with the Jailors plans of taking over Azeroth ? Were the dreadlords actually helping Sargeras or sabotaging him ? Does that mean that Kel'thuzad is now working with the dreadlords as well? Or does this just mean, that there are so many factions of the dreads that in every plane of existance that even the Jailor is being manipulated by them ? How far back in creation do they go ? Man my head is about to explode. Mr. Nobs, can we get another deep dive vid on this matter ?

[@MrWalsh707]

for my own sanity I take it that the story might not have been fully fleshed out by blizzard back when W3 came out.

[@gantar6415]

Well ofc it was not meant to be that way, the lore of shadowlands is brand new and never was intended 16 years ago, at that point Blizzard didn't expect their game to go so far so ofc they had to create new lore to make sense This video was made a long time agi but Nobel just didn't upload it before the lore of shadowlands and even before the Tomb of Sargeras

[@MsTaz82]

Working together is probably a bit much. As far as I know lore wise, it looks more like a mutually benificial trade agreement.The dreadlords get a tool to control the dead, the Jailer gets something currently unknown. Kel'thuzad is just an opportunist. He can either serve the maw and get something out of it, or suffer in the Maw for all eternity.

[@AXIOS03]

From what we know now dreadlords are a species cast out of the shadowlands I believe

[@DarkDesperado25]

Retcons bruh, it'll mess with your head

[@harkenrebirth]

The biggest question when it come to Malganis will still be.. Where are his loyalties? To the Burning Legion.. or the Jailor. Considering what is said in that journal or report.. It seems that the Dreadlords are under Sire Denetrius.. in turn working for the Jailor. But what about Malganis.. he WAS betrayed by the Jailor. Which also means. betrayed by Denetrius. His lord. And then he went on to attack the Scourge.. Over and over. I mean the Scarlet Crusade HAS been active.. since Cata i think. But not really done much. As well as we got 2 remade dungeons.. with new stuff. A fire mage burning down books "None shall know our shame".. Ok.. And a New champion for Whitemane. And the recent talk about a TRUE heir to the Menethil Throne.

[@preds43]

The Jailer, probably. He talks highly of “The Dark Lord of the Dead” to Arthas, not to mention the fact that he’s also in Northrend during Wrath, as well as the fact that he straight up abandons the Legion throughout the Legion expansion.

[@harkenrebirth]

@@preds43 Exactly. But you remember WHY he was in Northrend during Wrath. To fight the Lich King. So he must have gone Rogue. From the Jailor AND the Legion. Which could end up with us meeting him sometime during Shadowlands.. As an Ally... Maybe.. Because he was a pawn, used by the Jailor.. And then abandoned. Like Denetrius.. "Each soul has a purpose, and he has served his".. So quick to discared people.

[@kayden5238]

Where did he come from Mal'Ganis the foe , I've been a lich king long time ago, where did he come from where did he go where did he come from Mal'Ganis the foe

[@nevermore7285]

It’s interesting how the Dreadlords seem to have some level of immunity or resistance to the mental effects of the different powers, letting them act as spies.

[@howardhavardramberg333]

I can't wait for the Nathrezim to show up in SL!

[@christianprevost8455]

they wont since they are not from shadowland they came from nathrezim lol a different world

[@preds43]

@@christianprevost8455 Well, there’s this thing called “Enemy Infiltration: Preface” that kinda diminishes this theory, not to mention the fact that you can find Dreadlord shit inside Revendreth, as well as the fact that a LOT of Revendreth is connected to the Dreadlords in some way.

[@christianprevost8455]

@@preds43 even denatrius dont even look like a dreadlord and nathrezim is dreadlord homeworld and denatrius homeworld is revendreth

[@amplesstratleholm7609]

@@christianprevost8455 considering the evidences in Shadowlands, it wouldn't be surprising if Revendreth agents went to the Twisting Nether, evolved into the Dreadlords, made Nathrezim their home, and then corrupted Sargeras. I wouldn't speak with finality to either side, but it's very likely that it's the case.

[@christianprevost8455]

@@amplesstratleholm7609 maybe

[@zglando6662]

"I'm a turtle! 0:27" lol

[@Ryno2094]

there's a lot of demons whos whereabouts we are unsure of, remember the npc's hunting remaining demons in bfa as a sidequest?

[@AkromaStrategy]

it would make sense, since the new lore is that the whispers through frostmourne were really the Jailor, that Mal'Ganis would have a grudge against the jailor, the player, and maybe bolvar as the new lich king? But it would be neat to see Mal'Ganis show up and be like "yo, jailer, you betrayed me!"

[@jeffreyarnold2626]

i always knew it. gma turtle is mal ganis! who else would enjoy torturing us with "a turtle made it to the water" lol

[@gandalf8216]

CHAMPION! THERE IS AZERITE NEARBY

[@gigahertz5528]

With no sign of him in shadowlands so far i just picture at the end of legion mal'ganis is just at some corner of the world going "welp everything went wrong and im screwed" and is now just hiding as a turtle

[@MrBadluck2013]

After seeing this, Should we be skeptical of Lothraxion too? 🤔

[@Yasuo_Uehara]

Yes!

[@nevermore7285]

The Dreadlords seem to have some level of immunity or resistance to the mental effects of things like the Void, the Fel, and likely the Light, so yes.

[@Djones0125]

Everyone asking why he said upcoming expansion, its started in the info that this video was ready to be posted a while ago but didn't get uploaded.

[@NEkromanT33]

I have always wondered... What would be the Uther's plan for Stratholme. To let everyone turn into ghouls and only then kill them? Or let them wreak havoc across Lordaeron? His decision to leave drove Arthas right into Lich King's hands.

[@chrisrubin6445]

Uther would have done a few things. First he would try to separate people who have eaten the plagued grain from those who haven't, then he would try to use the light to heal those who have already been infected. If that didn't work, yeah he probably would have waited for them to turn undead, and then kill them.

[@Jart988]

If the people in Stratholme stayed at home and kept social distance, this wouldn't have happened :v

[@Commander_Pandashan]

😂😂😂😂 nice one

[@yumingshen2971]

imagine the demons helping you to defeat the lich king....now that s a scenario I would love to see...

[@MrToastmaster2009]

You forgot about the Scenario after the Wrathgate Incident, Mal Ganis was there too. When we Sieged Lordaeron as a group, Alliance and Horde.

[@mikepopovici4810]

That was a different dreadlord, that was verimathras

[@Wolf-pv4yr]

I havent watched this yet but I like to think Malganis has been in the shadowlands allowed by sire denathrius to be Arthas's jailer taunting and torturing him day by day.

[@stormstrider1990]

Now that we know Denathrius created the Nathrezim to infiltrate the other cosmic powers, it's very likely they will play a part in Shadowlands. Maybe the reason Mal'Ganis didn't do anything in Legion, was because they were saving him for this expansion. We know the dreadlords played a part in the Lich King's creation. They convinced Kil'jaeden they were the ones who created Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination for the Legion, when in reality, these items were made by the Jailer who only used the Legion as a means to get them to Azeroth. When Mal'Ganis talked about the "Dark Lord", he wasn't talking about Ner'zhul. He was talking about the Jailer, his true master. When Arthas sent him to the Nether, Mal'Ganis "served his purpose", meaning the Jailer abandoned him, like he abandoned Denathrius after the raid. This was why he sought vengeance against the Lich King in Wrath: To rob the Jailer of his champion. Mal'Ganis didn't show up in Legion, but he could easily make a return in Shadowlands. We've already seen the return of Uther, Kel'Thuzad, Lady Vashj, and Kael'thas. There's a high chance Arthas might return in a future patch. What better time to bring back Mal'Ganis as well? I'd love to see the two former enemies team up against the Dark Lord who screwed them both over.

[@Oreomeister]

Nathrezim homeworld major patch. Dreadlords betray Zovaal after how they've been treated by him (Mal'ganis and Sire Denathrius), becomes a mid expansion surprise new playable race? It could even be getting corrupted by shadow and lead into the next expac or something.

[@madtitan4892]

Nathreza was destroyed by Illidan in the novel.

[@five_seven6196]

better question, "Where did he come from?"

[@deadmandom]

Even better "why did he come from"

[@NicholasMcdermottNick]

Where did you come from, where did you go?, where did you come from cotten eye Joe! 😂

[@five_seven6196]

@@NicholasMcdermottNick ..Mal'Ganis eyed Joe..

[@NicholasMcdermottNick]

@@five_seven6196 haha XD

[@patrickb1303]

“Sargeras didn’t have a copy of chronicle” if only he did. He could have had an awesome line like sylvanas after the latest cutscene, he could be like “I will never burn planets” after burning planets for millennia.

[@jesseg.4410]

Nobbel you friggin rock dude

[@Alex876]

hes back baby

[@squizill]

I only watched this because its exactly 20 minutes long and my adhd kicks in at 20:01

[@Sister-Seven]

Love this

[@APRCraig]

I use subtitles on youtube and beginning of the video is hilarious "I AM MAL'GANIS AND I AM A TURTLE!!!!!!"

[@Burn0Robby]

Just finished a Halls of Atonement run. The final boss dropped a staff named [Nathrian Ferula].

[@crouchinglibcrab9527]

Buddy I got some big news for you. The said is called Castle Nathria

[@ethgratz2186]

@Nobbel and everyone I'm bad at internet. Who is the spy in the midst of the Narru? It is mentioned in quest item book with assessments of all the different factions/clans/groups. Was that already revealed in cinematic?

[@amplesstratleholm7609]

Most likely candidate would be Lothraxion, because he's a Light-wielding Dreadlord. Or maybe he's the only candidate.

[@ethgratz2186]

@@amplesstratleholm7609 I like that Dreadlord. Interesting.

[@EJsGameplay]

I honestly had thought he was killed during Legion at some point, lol.

[@michaelnygaard3611]

So the video is basically: Where did you come from, where did you go? Where did you come from, Mal'ganis? Damn, doesn't rhyme :(

[@InakaAdventure]

Mutton Chops Boy, Where are you?

[@aka_Ingmar]

Was this a re-upload? You said upcoming expansion

[@ilmansaidari9739]

Hi nobbel..... Just out of curiosity..... Why didn't you use warcraft 3 reforged as background video instead of the classic one

[@Machiavelli_0000]

Upcoming expansion Shadowlands? Did you forget to upload this earlier?

[@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty]

Semi surprised you didn’t go with the updated version of Warcraft 3 for the look though given the reception I’m not shocked you didn’t.

[@exeortegarubio]

Where did he go? Back to his shell.

[@gokibros4451]

Is it possible if not probably malganis is the reason bolvar survived? It would explain a lot chronologically with the events of the shadowlands.

[@GothicaWendigo]

Really wonder how the story of Ner'zhul fits with the retconned lore of shadowlands and the Helm of Domination.

[@phoenixboyz]

using WC3 cutscene is way better than Reforged.

[@spookayitsme]

19:43 I'm sitting on the loo, so absolutely a "turtle made it to the water" 🐢🐢💩💩

[@apfelkuchen4399]

And then he went to the Nexus, where time, space and lore don't matter. It is known.

[@laertesindeed]

Something doesn't add up with how they are rewriting to try to shoehorn Shadowlands into the rest of previous wow lore. If the dreadlords were actually created by Sire Denathrius....then why did we literally "NEVER" see any nathrezim anywhere in the shadowlands and no where in castle nathria...? Moreover, if Mal'Ganis was working with Denathrius against Sargeras...then why all the surprise and anger when the lich king would do things against the sargeras plan? Why the anger and surprise when arthas killed his form? Why bother with revenge if the lich king was literally doing everything according to plan? Moreover, it makes no sense how dreadlords would make themselves immune to frostmourne....if supposedly the Jailer made it. Or, what we suspect from the shadowlands cutscenes....frostmourne was made by the runecarver or the primus. Why would the runecarver have ever made nathrezim immune? Likewise....if the retcon is true....then Bastion failed yet again by constantly returning nathrezim from revendreth back to the nether when they died in reality instead of back to the shadowlands to be judged by the arbiter. That whole "Limbo" world quest for kyrian players makes absolutely no sense.

[@justin1594]

Well it's not confirmed Denathrius leads them, just a speculation based off his horns and hoofs and the word sire from a book written by the universes most cunning and manipulative species lol.

[@laertesindeed]

@@justin1594 In other words.... it "was" confirmed that he leads them and is one of them. And still the writing makes no sense.....

[@justin1594]

@@laertesindeed I find it hard to believe he leads them. If he is the Nathrezim must be not as smart as we're lead to believe. Denathrius is about as incompetent as his fellow jailor fanboy Mueh'zala.

[@laertesindeed]

@@justin1594 Yet that is what we were told..... and thus you prove my point; something doesn't add up with their rewriting compared to the Metzen original lore.

[@paslaruflorin-alexandru9088]

@@laertesindeed Moreover,The Runecarver made The Vessels of Domination under The Jailer's control,so he should add some characteristics like Dreadlord immunity against it.This is something that strengthens my theory that The Dreadlords were Venthyr.They are going to the Nether because they became demons through infection,like Illidan...even if they could originate from SL.Details like anger towards The Lich King turning against Sargeras could have many circumstances,so there are a lot of situations that could be planned to happen that way.I repeat,these could be somehow clarified in the future.

[@formdusktilldeath]

Wait... so the twisting Nether is just the Immaterium/Warp?

[@I_Am_Caliban]

at 13:23, one of the pages in his tome says "Matt"

[@liva9994]

I mean, The Wrath of the Lich king was the first expansion they did after activisme took over, so it makes sense a lot of it was rushed and not fleshed out. (I mean just a look at the armours should be enought to determine that) but also Nerubians etc. Not to mention they made Nezar'Azret in legion, a Nerubian queen, into a Scarab lord, like wat? xD

[@razien9941]

She is not a scarab lord what do you mean ? If you talk about the model she has in the chromie scenario then that could be because there is no model for female crypt lord (like anub'arak) in wow so they gave her the classic model. I mean it makes sense to not make a unique model for an almost insignificant character that wont have any use in any major lore event. The chromie scenario proves that very well

[@liva9994]

@@razien9941 but she is a nerubian queen not a cryptlord, if we go after warcraft 3 logic and wow logic then the queens we've seen so far (fireland patch) then they look like nerubians, scarab lords is another mutation that is extremely rare, but not related to a nerubian queen.

[@razien9941]

@@liva9994 she is still a nerubian queen its just that she uses the crypt lord model. There are many example like that

[@ZaestraXD]

I keep getting this weird feeling that Denathrius isn't the leader of the dreadlords. He would be the only one we even meet in the shadowlands and he seems to have nothing to do with the nathrezim homeworld.

[@paslaruflorin-alexandru9088]

The producers said that Revendreth dreadlord characacteristics are intentional so....

[@madsword19]

So who was the revenant Guardian outside Frostmournes chamber working for?

[@five_seven6196]

Where did he come from? where did he go?

[@IM4fLEX]

Did Frostmourne really save his people?

[@bowiebrewster6266]

1:35. “Corporal Form reporting for duty sir” its corporeal, meaning of a physical body

[@__Insanity_]

He's foreign, my guy. Cut him some slack

[@bowiebrewster6266]

@@__Insanity_ i’m also dutch

[@juanposada5171]

3:08 - lmao i just noticed Denathrius name is hiding there DEtheroc balNAzzar varimaTHRas tichondrIUS DENATRHIUS BRUH IS A DREADLAWD

[@marekpopioek7259]

:o so is he voltron?

[@ar53n_]

No good story can begin without warcraft 3 !

[@AXIOS03]

NOBBELL please respond so givin that I’m shadowlands the jailer had control over arthas and destroying the helmet opens up the shadowlands what happend with narzuul and kil’jaden? Do you catch my drift I’m super confused

[@Nobbel87]

nerzhul/kil'jaeden is still the same. Dreadlords presented frostmourne/helmet and KJ used it. They did add a step before that, making it part of the plan/ design of the jailer

[@AXIOS03]

@@Nobbel87 thanks for the info man

[@maikel3572]

I could be mistaken but didn't we kill him in the priest order hall in legion. And that the priest order hall was located in the twisted nether. So isn't he perma dead?

[@Nobbel87]

we fought a different dreadlord during the campaign, balnazzar

[@TownPortals]

Or sylvanas is working with malganis. Since she was chosen. Since her soul is in frostmoune just like arthas. And arthas cant be used anymore.

[@Holyrelic1279]

oh.....i thought he had something in shadowlands i didnt know of

[@vexorian]

Obvious. He's in the Nexus

[@Eroll-dw8ex]

You didnt use Reforged models ? :p

[@-Omega]

Isnt it canon now that the dreadlords found froustmourne and did not craft it? How did they make sure that their souls could not be absorbed into frostmourne?

[@moodyhd3449]

They likely enchanted it that way?

[@Chatbundi]

« Upcoming expansion, Shadowlands » Uhhhh... did I miss something? Is this a reupload?

[@TobiIsAGoodBoy1]

so does that mean the dreadlords served The jailer or just stole his power?

[@BrullenLive]

He didn’t show up again? We all know he’s jaina and wants revenge for the “dark lord” aka the jailer for killing him...

[@R0m0n3]

Is this a very late upload or did I slip back to the past?

[@Nobbel87]

very late upload yea

[@bencebalogh3319]

I am Mal'Ganis! I am a turtle!

[@VChong1991]

I'll tell ya what happened, he's in the nexus now

[@3scafl0wn3]

manipulated the Dreadloards?

[@furstein8114]

Why did you make a video based on the old Nathrezim lore that is no longer valid?

[@totallylost7683]

Where did he come from ? Cotton eyed Joe

[@Anachronos97]

Not lore-related, but am I the only one who prefers the wotlk dreadlord appearance rather than the ugly clown-looking legion one ?

[@joeturner7768]

The day the void lords the legion and Zovaal's forces get Azeroth I the day boars can fly

[@Shervin86]

Is this about Malganis or Arthas?😂 you got sidetracked and forgot ha?

[@davidj3262]

shouldn't it be to the end of azeroth? and not to the end of the earth?

[@TheShelbySarah964]

No one: Some of them: *making a joke of the cotton eye joe with Mal'ganis*

[@conorjohnmcnulty127]

Why's arthas say" I'll hunt you ti the ends of the earth"??? They're not on earth rather Azeroth?

[@Notnac]

Taurens saying Earth mother always gave me the same question

[@robinpfeiffer1396]

the light didnt save him hahaha

[@madtitan4892]

2:10 Names are swapped

[@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123]

I like turtle!

[@ConnorNotyerbidness]

Ugh i hate how in legion they cut the campaigns so short I wanted to fight mal'ganis atop the frozen throne as the lich king summons undead to help while mal'ganis himself takes control of those same undead slowly over the escalating fight against him as he tries to take control of The Scourge Instead we got the stupid Legionfall Campaign Le sigh

[@stormstrider1990]

I always found it weird they never used Mal'Ganis in Legion. He would have been the perfect antagonist for the Death Knight campaign, considering paladins and priests got Balnazzar, rogues got Detheroc, and mages got Kathra'nathir. You're absolutely right the Legionfall campaign was a waste. They should have made it unique for each class, beyond just one unique quest for a new follower. Still they had us do the same grind over and over, in order to get the mount for each class.

[@seenbeen1110]

shadowlands has been out for a while now

[@TownPortals]

Malganis is derek or panda.

[@tim-andrejanen1005]

Plottwist : the Runecarver ist actually the " normal " Jailer. And the Jailer we see is Mal´ganis in disguise

[@geraltgrey-mane695]