Chapter 6: The Unseen Guests - 9.1 Chains of Domination [Lore]

Last time we took on Helya and Vyraz, securing the maw just a little bit more. The jailer has many allies though, some better hidden then others.. I hope you'll enjoy ^_^
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[@scalavan1855]

Mal'Ganis: I will explain my entire plan for the sake of exposition !

[@evilhorst7254]

Anime level reached

[@mokarokas-1727]

Mmyes, some high-grade writing going on here. I especially like the part where the cosmos' most accomplished infiltrators blurt out statements tipping people off to their plans, their numbers, their location etc...

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

The plan had already been carried out, so why not?

[@mildsatyr3731]

It probably wasn’t that important for the video if you did find it, but you could have asked Renethal about future harvesters of Dread and Envy. He even states how if Kael’thas was further along in his atonement, he would be a candidate.

[@Nobbel87]

aye 16:11

[@mildsatyr3731]

@@Nobbel87 never mind, thank you for showing it. Any idea which one Kael’thas would be a candidate for?

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@mildsatyr3731 - Assuming Kael'thas wants to be a Venthyr (and manages to repent), and assuming the choice is between those two - definitely Envy. He's all about greatness and power, not so much about instilling fear and breaking people to improve them.

[@user-yk9kh3xu5s]

@@mokarokas-1727 Uhm... No. Just no. Kael'thas hardly wanted power for the sake of just having power, let alone 'greatness', so him cleansing the souls of those vices makes next to no sense. He is even kinda-similar to Garrosh in that regard, wishing prosperity after a great stain on his people's history, and doing so in all the wrong ways.

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@user-yk9kh3xu5s - But he says it over and over through-out his appearances in the lore pre-Shadowlands: he wants to reclaim his peoples' lost greatness (and preferably beyond), make them and himself powerful, usher in a new age...using pretty underhanded and immoral means to do so. The description for the Harvester of Envy and their tithe is somewhat similar to the blood elf practice of siphoning power from the land and even creatures, and "Highborne" viewing themselves as above others. In any case, I think it fits him a lot more than the alternative. =)

[@peterbundy84]

"if you sin, make sure you win" - Blizzard management motto

[@AlisteirCrowley]

Lol good one.

[@TheLun4tic]

Activision is a Dreadlord!!! "Detheroc used his telepathy to enslave a top-ranking human warlord. I believe his name was Garabon or Gilithos or something. Human names all sound the same to me".

[@TheHoboWithAShotgun]

activision* and thats pretty much any big buisness which does the same shit (except the breast milk thing) just they got exposed lol but get ur point

[@zanelina1]

Hey Nobbel87, thank you for the videos . been playing wow for almost a year now and your videos pretty much explains to me the history of wow .

[@GlamdringandOrcrist]

Love that Vash’j recognizes that Illidan is goated.

[@Just_CO]

@Holo Lives Matter it means Greatest of all time its just a Phrase describing someone kool or badass. Think of like micheal Jordan to basketball

[@Just_CO]

@Holo Lives Matter or better yet someone who has put in a lot of work and have the achievements to show that they are the best at what they do

[@neilbryanpita9698]

just loved the part vashj insulting kaelthas

[@Brby1]

9:30 "Lady Mal'tranix, the one that we just killed..." "6 minutes until release."

[@MaximillianGreil]

you know what's one thing I can't stand... Why are NPCs so fkin HUGE!

[@wapniak666]

Gameplay reasons

[@neelarai971]

it's like power scaling but for height

[@mihailopetrovic9467]

So you can interact with them if people stand on them, or have a large hitbox for melee to hit.

[@mokarokas-1727]

At least it's fairly consistent that the Venthyr are just big in general.

[@MaximillianGreil]

Yeah but it's so jarring to have your character, the Hero! be like... the tiniest fkin guy ever.

[@TheHorreK2]

15:30 i think that the foundation of the Story is more than wobbly, the Story has more plotholes than i have ever seen

[@zirconiumzealot6613]

More holes than swiss got damn cheese

[@DereineBrotmann]

I think it is most importand, that Mal'Ganis said "Different Realites" not "Different Worlds". Makes me think, what BigDaddyD is involved in, that we did'n not know off until now...

[@C00Cker]

It is likely he said realities just because the Shadowlands, the Emerald Dream and the Twisting Nether, are each a different plane of existence. Or at least I hope that they are not gonna introduce more alternative universes like WoD

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@C00Cker - But they're all part of the SAME existence, not alternate realities from each other. I'm going to treat it as yet another writing error in a long line regarding terminology.

[@C00Cker]

@@mokarokas-1727 are they part of the same existence? they have different rules (e.g. demons die permanently in the Nether; time moves in different speeds in some planes of existence; in Shadowlands, everything is about anima). For me, different worlds would imply they are just talking about different planets. But yeah, you might be right - it could mean alternate universes or just be an "error"

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@C00Cker - Yeah, in the same way that an alternate Azeroth with an alternate Malfurion would probably have interacted with an alternate Emerald Dream, so for every Azeroth there's a separate Emerald Dream, an Elemental Plane, and so on. That would be a different reality, as one of everything exists in a single reality. Kinda iffy regarding alternate Twisting Nether and Shadowlands, but it's been neither confirmed nor denied, so... Still chalking it up to an error and the "rule of cool". =P

[@martinjurco1814]

Honestly i am really pissed. Current writers alter the things that we know to suit their narative without regard for what was established before. They arent even consistent with their own lore/story since i really doubt Renathal would forget how his sister (the original Stonewright) looks like. They just made the (current) Stonewright a Night Warrior just so they could use her for Tyrande arc, which they are making on the move without any sort of planning. What pisses me of the most is how they think they are better then the previous writers, when in reality they are Game of Thrones season 8 quality writers. The BFA which was just another evil warchief starting a war and escaping into another dimension while also wasting the established lore of the Nazjatar and Black Empire which could have been an expansion on its own. Shadowlands is just blue Valkyr, "original" Scourge, blue instead of green Emerald Dream and bald Vampires. They even went ahead and made Chronicles non-canon because it was in the way of their vision. Funny thing is they are just copying the idea of mysterious creators which previously were Titans only to make "First Ones" who in my opinion are the most blatant example of their writing. Just copy what was before and put them above it. Garrosh? just make Sylvanas warchief and make her more evil and destroy major capital like Teldrassil instead of just port city like Theramore. Lich King? just make this weird Jailer dude and make him mastermind behind every major threat like Scourge and Legion and so on. Sorry for the rant and bad english I just really needed to let of some steam as i watched this.

[@ulysse6916]

You're absolutely right but i still have a glimmer of hope/hype to see what they planned. But as you said, i do not expect much.

[@theguyyouhate]

the big problem with comparing them to GoT season 8 writers is that's praise to them. aparently the headwriter is known for loving that season.

[@mokarokas-1727]

Your English wasn't bad at all, and your rant is 100% on point. My hat off to you, if I had one. It's so transparent how they just picked out a couple of characters to conveniently make former Night Warriors for this patch.

[@smiledog3975]

Truth said.

[@reiximus9799]

thank goodneas i was not the only one dieing to that carrion swarm cast thingy

[@jawdeswart]

Heel mooi weer gedaan

[@paperkay]

You remain the only one to have anything positive to say about our beloved game. Everyone else makes money pissing on it, not even bothering to pay attention to the lore, calling it boring and detrimental. Come on. The detail invested in this world! That has always been my favourite part. So many stories! And that is why you remain the one channel I love to see publish new content, for I know it will be playful and fun - and intelligent.

[@RummerChan]

Cryptograms: "Find any way and how to slow the advancing power of the Maw Walker and their Allies" Blizzard: *takes 9 months to release 9.1* I think I may be on to some more hiding Nathrezim. 🤔

[@BigglyG]

Still cant get used to the new Kael'thas voice actor

[@zenobios_]

Yes his voice is nowhere near as good, but blizz have their reasons.

[@KanyeWeast]

@@zenobios_ there's literally no reason. They did an innocent man dirty and ruined his career

[@aizenalighieri9178]

@@zenobios_ The did an innocent man dirty while sexually harrassing women to the point of pushing one to suicide. Stop being a brainless chill for a billion dollars company who don't give a fuck about your existence. Fuck Blizzard.

[@caballerodelamuerte9]

Revendreth looks amazing in high definition. My favorite zone, even it does not fit my demo warlock haha.

[@ryjo7804]

Wish I could read all the jokes and one-liners the writers DIDN’T use when writing the dialogue for these characters. Vashj dissing Kael’Thas.. the rivalry between the cartels… even the play in Ardenweald summing up Azeroth’s history. There’s at least one writer with a ton of jokes about the lore and characters and someone’s holding him or her back! Moar self-aware WoW humor!

[@drakhoon]

so when they come up with another big bad, do you think the dreadlords will be the lieutenants again and they were secretly working for a bigger bad with even more schemes in schemes (sighs)

[@kyrias9391]

Got to share the man behind the curtain stick as big bads get killed of or retconned.

[@C00Cker]

The lore was that they were the ones behind forming the Legion through manipulation (and pretend they served the Old Gods) for quite some time now. It is only now that we finally got an in-game reveal on whom they really served (not that it was surprising). I don't think that Blizzard planned this exact thing back then, but it just wraps up a set-up that was made a pretty significant time ago

[@richardmiklos]

Imagine if they did an event like the Gates of Ahn'Qiraj with these sigils that need to be recrafted.

[@Rougesteelproject]

Nobbel, did you encounter that bug where the Dread Lady in Sinfall wouldn't transform?

[@admiraldesto2170]

Well know we know why 9.1 is going down the drain All the employees were fucking drunk.

[@crimsondarkness9559]

No one seems to be talking about who or what Mal’Ganis was referring to when he mentioned Argus. Is he referring to the planet or the Titan?

[@TheLun4tic]

What does he mean by "We are a long way from Silithus"? The Chamber of the Heart? The Sword that is still sticking inside Azeroth?

[@BloodmoonPictures]

maybe Mal'Ganis was in a tricky situation when he was part of the burning Legion and send to undermine the LK, and it ultimately failed byhis design as a double-double agent so to say. things _do_ get complicated and wobbly when you have layers upon layers of those who pay your paychecks. Or, alternatively, Denathrius aswell as the Jailor where merely allies on occasion, not neceserily "allies forever" ontop of the whole "Malganis had a personal vendetta and thats maybe it" thing, just spitballing ideas tho

[@patrikzotaj4528]

will sylvanas meet varimathras again as agent of denathrius.

[@spikedemon42]

Ah how I've missed Mal'Ganis :')

[@zirconiumzealot6613]

A few things I have problems with in the lore rn - "Oh yeah those Nathrezim that already had established lore? yeah they come from here now ig" - Sire Denathrius you will now be put into a sword and imprisoned for eternity. Oh wait whoops now you aren't because plot lol! Haha - There's still a sword just. Sticking in the planet. That never really went away. Are we going to find out what happens if a world soul dies? Is Azeroth going to ascend to the shadowlands? Is that what we're building up to? - At seemingly "Convenient" times the First Ones seem to know everything and nothing about what has happened on Azeroth. - "Oh yeah all these sigils are like really important and there's only one for each First One, but we could also like... make new ones ig." - Is just.... everyone on Azeroth sitting by twiddling their thumbs like? Oh yeah there's a gaping hole in the sky but I'm gonna keep making cheese and paying taxes and not think about anything that's happening. Sure my king has disappeared but it's ok :) There's more I have problems with it's just these that stuck out at the time.

[@GuardianOfMoon]

Hey look... another powerful MacGuffin left in the wide open to be taken with minimal protection.... have we learned nothing??

[@patrikzotaj4528]

what about tichondrius anetheron dalvengyr mephistroth balnazzar varimathras and all other burning legion nathrezim are they serve denathrius as his spies infiltrators servants and agents.

[@FBI-ju5no]

Someone above Mal'ganis, giving him orders? Shot in the dark, Tichondrius or Varimathras?

[@merikmalhads1676]

And this is the point where you might as well have stated... whelp they're out of good ideas, guess they just want to destroy everything along with them

[@soklot]

Do you have a video about the connection between Shadowlands and The Lich King? Did it completely retcon the original story of why The Lich King was created?

[@mokarokas-1727]

He's talked about it here and there, and the general idea is that the Nathrezim delivered Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination from the Jailer to Kil'jaeden to aid the Burning Legion, who may or may not have known their origins and purpose. Since canon previously stated that the Nathrezim CREATED them, maybe that's what Kil'jaeden thought too.

[@htzak8194]

Riddle me this Nobbel, where the heck is Varian. Almost all past deceased characters make an appearance his son is kidnaped in effect and noone even mentions him. Curious.

[@CJShrader]

One theory is the fel magic that killed him just basically entirely destroyed his soul. I'm not sure if there are other characters that are run across that were also killed by fel magic

[@mokarokas-1727]

Presumably he's in one of the numerous more "unimportant" afterlives that are not associated with an Eternal One, having earned eternal rest much like Durotan. I guess Draka and Mograine Sr. wasn't so lucky, lol. I also agree with CJ Shrader's speculation, because Fel is all about using souls (anima?) as fuel for its power.

[@iriswaldenburger2315]

No it has been confirmed that Varians soul was for intends and purposes DESTROYED when Gul’Dan blew him up with fel magic

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@iriswaldenburger2315 - Are you sure it's officially confirmed? Because I can't find this info.

[@C00Cker]

@@iriswaldenburger2315 The thing that is confirmed is that absorbing fel energies binds your soul to the Nether. It would be weird, but we might see him reborn as a demon

[@gekkokkid]

i am a bit confused at how Malganis calls the master (assuming this is the jailer) "Sire" when they call Denathrius Sire ... could it be that Denathrius was planing to backstab Zorval all along???

[@mokarokas-1727]

No, Mal'ganis' master IS sire Denathrius. =) The Nathrezim only serve the Jailer because sire Denathrius does. Actually, I don't even think the Nathrezim is serving the Jailer directly, because they're not roaming the Maw or anything.

[@C00Cker]

@@mokarokas-1727 And, as of 9.1, we see them disguised as random mawsworn in Torghast. So they might actually work against Zovaal after he abandoned Denathrius

[@zurekzurawski]

Opportunity not oppertunity (somewhere in the middle 9:02 ) :p

[@TheHoboWithAShotgun]

15:37 its simple IMO sire denatrius created the dreadlords for his own/jailers ambitions while sargeras either doesnt know about the jailer or if did maybe not his and denatrhitus' plans and when forming his burning legion. recruited denathrias' dreadlords for his plans to purge life from the universe and used them for his goals. so either sargeras never knew about these dreadlords true plans which was in service to their maker denathrius and the jailers. very painfully long patient plans and goals of jailer freeing himself and hence the "jailer was behind everything" retcon shit. maybe possibly using the old gods was part of his goal to escape. and thus manipulating everything from there as the jailer and the eternal ones are just as old as the titens he and eternal ones are ther pantheon of death and the titans sargeras was part fo are another pantheon (forget which) so the jailer is just as old adn been around as sargeras or the other possibility is sargeras knew the origins of these dreadlords or at least knew their plans and didnt really care at the time as w/e these dreadlords were doing aligned with his goals. or perhaps along the line of the jailer/sir d plans they saw sargeras's plans and decided to play along and essentially use sargeras towards their own goals and joined the legion. sargeras recrutied these evil beings didnt create them so perhaps didnt really know much about them. so these dreadlords whole time played along with sargeras goal while still priotitziing their masters plans and i think along the way of working for sargeras maybe when they saw arthas kill sylvannas and make her a banshee probably saw her as their key towards their ultimate goal. so either they help manipulate sylvannas into suicide after lich kings fall which conveniently that suicide attempt changed her and made her pure darkside ended up later joining jailer as we all know. and jailer manipulated odyn into giving up his eye for his gain and not only for the eye for the evil valkyrie valkyr which he used to essentially decieve sylvannas about the afterlife by making her believe the afterlife system was unjust through his direct/indrect creation of these vaklkyr to convenintly meet her at the maw and make this bargain so they manipulated her knowing shes hellbent on revenge on lich king. while they didnt select her before arthas turned her but when he did saw this opportunity saw this hellbent revenge on lich king as undead. whether they manipulated her somehow to attempt suicide so they could convert her for their plans who really knows but they did. obviously part of jailers plan was not only to escape his prison but come to our world azeroth. so they took advantage of sylvannas and used sargeras and his legion which the dreadlords are helping but dreadlords arent true masters. also had voljin b4 he died make sylvannas warchief so she ahd control to do what she wanted essentially and made her warchief by jailer using the trol spirit dude to manifactur all those events in first place so turn sylvannas to their side. so anyway since jailer needs that veil broken has her brokle the helm of domination which mind u the jailer had made and frsotmourne. itd make sense that the pantheon of death (shadowlands ppl like prmius) woudl have the knowledge to make thew helm of domination and frostmoune and mournlbalade to open the veil and thus succesfuly manipulating sylvannas etc all to current events. so to sum it up. since clearly imo the jailer is just as old sargeras and i assume probably jailer got imprisoned before sargeras turned dark side and started his burning crusade clearly keeping on eye on things plotting plotting and scheming his escape and keep in mind we still dont know what this "forbidden knowledge" is he was after that got him imprisoned in first place and what his plans were with it where he actuially had plAns opr was curious and didnt know exaclty what it was and fed his curisoty we dont know and we truly dont know what his ultimate plans are as his imprisonment is a detour of his original ambitions. so he pretty much saw Sargeras idea and plan and essentially piggybacked and used sargeras to achieve his goals and had sir denathrius send sargeras the dreadlords for sargeras army and burning crusade planting the seed for his own goal. and used his burning legion for his ultimate goal and essenitaly improvised everything along the way. when the invasion failed. jailer saw obviously sargeras will keep trying which is why he had the helm of domination and frostmourne made. he knews the helm of domination was the tool he needed to break the veil from out world to shadowlands and part of his endgame after escpes. uses sargeras and his need/want to invade azeroth again. had the frostmourne and helm of domination sent to our world and through his dreadlordfs manpulate and say yah these 2 things are what you need to accomplish goal of invading azeroth. so the dreadlords manipulated and created the lich king. jailer knew the helm was needed to break the veil so he could come to our world but he didnt know how he was gonna have thew helm destroyed yet mind u hes improvising all this leeching of sargeras and essentially winging it but 1 step at a time. so they go and create the lich king. as jailer watches and thinks looking for a way to get someone to break said crown to open the veil he gets note of sylvannas being turned into a banshee by arthas and shortly after jailer got word as his HIS dreadlords obbviously are in the loop let him know and saw sylvannas as a banshee dead set on the lich king that the jailer essentially had made and saw the key to the rest of his plan to escape right infront of him. Cultivated Sylvannas hatred and clearly had his dreadlords work towards getting sylvannas do do what he needed. as his plans for sylvannas would have to have to be in place by time sylvannas attempted suicice as we know that manipulation took time to setup to brainwash/manipulate sylvannas to his side and he knows sylvannas was a good solder and person of the light wanting to do good for people and knew once she got her revenge cause knew that was her only thought of time. after done her mind will wonder well what now? whether it was dumb luck or they manipulate her to suicide they clearly planned for sylvannas to die 1 way or another. and since now he has his key to his freedom in sylvannas he technically hardly needs sargeras and hsi burning leagion anymore cause sylvannas can do what he needs an d win win for him when we end the dark legion. all this is how we can say the jailer was behind it all and the logic. maybe not EVERYTHING directly but mostly the direction. you can erssentially say the jailer manipulated sargeras and his legion to do his bidding. helping him with his for the purpose of helping his own

[@TheHoboWithAShotgun]

and to add to my mega longass theory. you say altering the history or w/e it really isnt. its rather revealing more of it from they start they never really revealed where the dreadlords actually came from and their true origin and purpose someone/thing created them for a purpose after all. this revelation shines a line on it and clearly shows why these dreadlords decided to join sargeras' burning leagion. since we lacked any knowledge before about their origin we just assumed they are evil looking to kill shit and this burning legion is the means to do that again as all out knowledge of them virtually is after they join the burning legion and dreadlords are just beiongs. we simply got our eyes opened to their true reason allying with sargeras. its equivelant to someone getting a grtoup to help them with their cause not revealing why they decided to help then way way way later on it gets revealed. im sure over time after this revelation that this shocking revelation IMO in way greater details and specifics and just be patient.

[@sridharkrishnan1591]

15:30 What trickery is this? Mal'Ganis I don't know how you survived...

[@mokarokas-1727]

lol seriously, it's not like we can tell them apart by looks anyway.

[@sridharkrishnan1591]

@@mokarokas-1727 WC3 reference - Path of the Damned

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@sridharkrishnan1591 - I know. =) If they weren't color-coded, who could tell them apart anyway?

[@sridharkrishnan1591]

@@mokarokas-1727 Yeah.. but tichondrius seemed a bit different... other dreadlord like Anethron, Dethoroc, Dalvangyr, etc... looked the same. But, to a first time player of WC3 classic, it will be difficult.

[@adelinawindrunner573]

what if the Stonewright was the first Night warrior?

[@mokarokas-1727]

She's definitely old, old enough to be the first Venthyr created from a mortal soul... But we don't know when exactly they started doing that. The Light's attack on Revendreth predates the Burning Legion though, which formed only AFTER the Nathrezim were "exiled" from the Shadowlands. This makes her at least 13 000 years old, probably way older depending on how much time passed between Sargeras' corruption and his recruitment of the Eredar. However, for comparison, intelligent mortal and non-elemental life on Azeroth is at least 16 000 years old. Mortal life on other planets may be even older. When faith in Elune was "discovered" on Azeroth way over 10 000 years ago, she was already an ancient entity and may have had many Night Warriors through-out the cosmos. Thiernax is referred to as the oldest KNOWN Night Warrior on Wowpedia, but this was before the Stonewright's "reveal". So... yeah, she could be but she might not be. Pretty unsatisfying answer for all the fact-checking I did while trying to answer this. :D But it was interesting to try!

[@adelinawindrunner573]

@@mokarokas-1727 I mean if she was it would make sense why she can use Elune's powers and how she ended up in Revendreth as the harvester of wrath. The night warrior's powers are basically Elune's wrath and rage. That would mean she used them to do some pretty bad things

[@jessicac9165]

Lady Vashj! Baroness of petty!

[@kyrias9391]

A bit wonky is a understatement ... there starting to make Game of thrones season 8 make more sense then this narrative.

[@apblolol]

Last time i was this early garrosh was warcheif

[@paularcher24]

That voice rofl

[@paularcher24]

Is it like vampire speech attempt?

[@stormstrider1990]

Many may wonder why Kael'thas went to Revendreth, while Lady Vashj went to Maldraxxus. I see it as this: Kael'thas joined the Legion and betrayed not only Illidan, but his own people.The worst thing Vashj did was draining water from Zangarmarsh. While it did impact the environment, it also benefited Illidan's war against the Legion, an enemy that even threatened the Shadowlands. The Arbiter probably saw Vashj as a legit military ally, where as Kael'thas was a traitor to everyone. It's also interesting how Vashj knows Illidan is immortal, where as Kael'thas doesn't, and even she doesn't know what happened after TBC, and the ultimate defeat of the Legion, partially with Illidan's help. It would have been nice if your post- Legion characters could tell her about what happened during Legion. It's also interesting how Mal'ganis, the most famous dreadlord, never appeared during Legion. Blizzard were saving him for Shadowlands, and it kinda brings the dreadlord lore back to the Scourge that they were part off in Warcraft 3. The Nathrezim were agents of Death all along. Gorgannon and Diathorus the Seeker are still part of a quest in Ashenvale. To think that we would meet them again here is pretty cool. I would be all for Denathrius returning. He's like Dracula from Castlevania with the personality of Dio from JoJo.

[@chamathnadeeshan4008]

5:01 Hmm what did Renethal gonna say. " Wielder of Elu............"

[@mokarokas-1727]

She's a former Night Warrior, so Elune obviously.

[@FranciscoSantos-lw8nz]

I love Vashj gahahhaa

[@emilykelly2498]

Honestly don’t care what they’re doing with the story anymore I just like watching more content

[@C00Cker]

Narratively, Mal'Ganis's monologue in the cinematic was absolutely terrible. "We captured Remornia. And btw the Scourge and Argus were our pawns if you were wondering by any chance. I know the maw walker is the same person who visited Argus so I am telling you this just in case you wondered, cause we are spies who specialize in manipulating all cosmic forces"

[@mokarokas-1727]

lol, yeah seriously. So dumb.

[@freedom-for-iran6587]

So nobody is going to mention how bad KaelThas new voice actor is ?

[@HasselHoffman-im5he]

Hey Nobel, what are your thoughts on the lawsuit?

[@danielcamara8647]

It's a lore channel, dont bring that shit here...

[@becjed1701]

@@danielcamara8647 agreed

[@HasselHoffman-im5he]

@@danielcamara8647 the fact that this is a lore channel is irrelevant. A lot of major WoW KZbinrs including Asmongold, Bellular, and Taliesan and Evitel all have released videos giving their thoughts on the situation. All the aforementioned KZbinrs cover a lot aspects of WoW including lore. If Nobbel wants to respond to my question in this comment thread or with a separate vid is his decision at the end of the day. My point is, trying to say something along the lines of “this is lore channel, don’t bring that shit here” is not a legitimate excuse to avoid talking about a problem. Considering the lore is from a game that is made by a company that is being charged with some pretty heinous things. Again, Nobbel wants to remain silent on the current issues, that’s his decision at the end of the day.

[@danielcamara8647]

@@HasselHoffman-im5he only he's not silent...The fact that its a lore is relevant since his opinions are given through his twitter account...And so what, you know? If he doesnt address this on a damn video what will people do? "CaNcEl HiM"? Jesus christ grow up... he has addressed this on twitter

[@themstrom]

I hate what they did with the dreadlords and that The Scourge, Burning legion and Argus was part of bigger scheme all along, it makes Azeroth and everything pre SL feel so unimportant

[@AnubiasDudeX]

it is unimportant in the grand scheme of things... as is our day to day life and everything we go through. At the end of the day we are but a little blurb in the endlessness of time and the expansiveness and sheer size of the universe.

[@jaratt85]

What if the Jailer isn't the Master the Dreadlords speak of, just the one they serve right now?

[@R0m0n3]

My money is on Sire

[@jaratt85]

@@R0m0n3 I think he's just another pawn in a greater game and who knows if what Renethal said was the truth, it may just be what he thinks is the truth or what he wants us to think is the truth... they are a very deceptive lot.

[@mokarokas-1727]

The Venthyr also refer to sire Denathrius as "the master" now and then, so there's no question they mean him.

[@Rakshiir]

It's a bid odd. I thought that all demons were locked away, and Sargeras took em in his army after the broke with the other Titans... how did the Nathrezim actually infiltrate there? Everything else just feels right now as if they want to bring back Denathrius... writing might not be BFA bad, but it's still... disappointing. I thought Shadowlands started okay... but right now? They need to really step up their game

[@Nobbel87]

nah not all demons are locked away. Sargeras is imprisoned, the burning legion is done for...demons are free to do what they did before the dark titan showed up.

[@Rakshiir]

​@@Nobbel87 Oh I think I didn't clarify. I thought BEFORE Sargeras actually went on his "mission" in the first place. Didn't he basically lock away all demons and just got em out for his mission against the voidlords - the whole purging the universe. The current writer team wants to tell us the Dreadlords where already infiltrating before that happened? Or is there anything suggesting they basically allied with him at a later point? Because it would be funny if they actually went for the first solution... even the jailor can't know what Sargeras would do...

[@Nobbel87]

@@Rakshiir ooowww well he didn't imprison all demons, just a bunch of them. It was the dreadlords basking in the power of the old gods that informed sargeras on the old gods plan which lead to him forming the burning legion/shatter the prison. They're sired by Denathrius so their allegiance was always towards Daddy D. Unknown when the jailer came into the picture or if that's always been the case.

[@Rakshiir]

@@Nobbel87 Oh okay. I just wasn't sure when or how they came into the picture of the legion. I was just wondering if the writing kind of makes sense or if they redconned something.

[@raid.leader]

0:36 AMOGUS

[@archdruidbookwalter951]

Chelra sus

[@sariihover4798]

nobbel87 have you tried ff14 ?

[@TheDKdoublekill]

Am 3rd

[@ashoush85]

Well, I’m not following the whole story But I heard vashj saying we must stop the primus Isn’t she serving him ?

[@archdruidbookwalter951]

Dreadlords

[@undead35mr.95]

0:30 and there they explained why you should pay attention

[@ashoush85]

Oh yes , now I caught it

[@twelvezeros]

Okay so you watched first 5 seconds and stopped to ask questions, that are answered in the next 3 seconds

[@lucth16]

"Unseen guest" at Blizzard that's called a peep hole. (too soon?)

[@apacalypsagon3758]

Why would sylvanas and denathrius be peeved that their jailer daddy didn't save him. They have no inclination in towards any good will and we're just using each other for their own ends?

[@mokarokas-1727]

I guess Sylvanas really WAS dumb enough to believe the Jailer was a force of good. She's also been playing 4D chess since Cataclysm and is very much morally gray. =)

[@yashizuko]

World of Warcraft: Retconlands

[@christopherbronson3275]

Am i first?!

[@Monster3Games]

Nop

[@christopherbronson3275]

@@Monster3Games ah none of the connects loaded on mobile

[@enchantress7928]

18min video, 2 min online and 10 upvotes.....

[@Chatterscompany]

Someone might be just in the mood for such a video and be happy to see it. Such a person might indicate their happiness with the content regardless of the quality of the content itself, and I think that's fine...

[@twelvezeros]

So? I was one of those. I know what to expect and im rarely wrong, when i am, it's an action i can undo or click dislike.

[@pandaprewmaster325]

You know something ? The whole idea of the jailer and his control over Arthas and nerzul sucks

[@MrJara1018]

I prefer Dreadlords just being Demons………. Kinda lame what they doing with them

[@Diree]

Nathrezim being from Nathreza was absolutely fine ... but then we got Shadowlands and they had to fill it with fan-favourite characters after all, so why not change the entire 20+ year backstory for the Dreadlords ... and I'm sure they're going to change it again in 5 years.

[@mokarokas-1727]

@@Diree - "Actually they just PRETENDED to be created by Denathrius, while they were serving one of the Perpetual ones of the Lifelands all along!"

[@Diree]

@@mokarokas-1727 Probably... ugh

[@jamesnicolson866]

what about the perverts?

[@twelvezeros]

What about them?

[@jamesnicolson866]

@@twelvezeroshaha sorry I just ment every KZbinr has released a video about the law suit but Nobel just releases a normal video

[@mokarokas-1727]

Maybe he discusses stuff like that on Twitter, but he never makes videos about anything that's not lore-related.

[@ladyfibonaccii]

What do you think about Blizzard with all these recent allegations?

[@Draracle20]

I don't get how you can support Blizzard anymore.

[@taherkagdi2781]

He's not supporting blizzard he's supporting the game, the game made by so many people putting countless hours of work into it including the women and minorities that were abused by the higher ups. So, what happens when you boycott the game? The game shuts down, hundreds of people loose their job and all the effort put into the game for years wasted. There is a difference between supporting someone's work and standing against someone's wrong doings I believe he too is upset with Blizzard and is gathering his thoughts right now and most probably he will still continue to support the game because of the above reasons but also because it is his livelyhood. Boycotting a game doesn't mean you are providing the wronged people justice, you are just gonna cos them more harm. Its the higher ups that we need to hold accountable and support and empower the employees. There has to be a better way, I am not knowledgeable enough to know about that way but there has to be something better than causing more harm to the employees already struggling

[@G-man47]

@@taherkagdi2781 send agent 47, sam fisher, john wick and master chief to deal with all corporate scum lol. :D

[@C00Cker]

The people who were abusive were those in higher positions, they can comfortably move to other projects if WoW was to fall, until they get a sentence in the court. Boycotting the game achieves nothing. It can, for sure, send some message, but it doesn't directly help any of the victims nor it punishes the abusers

[@GiselleDoodles]

You realize videos like this are filmed and made ahead of time right?

[@taherkagdi2781]

@@GiselleDoodles I think they do, they are just understandably upset that he still released this video