The Story of The Ordering of Azeroth [Lore]

The World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1 has revealed many of the secrets regarding the Warcraft universe. From it's creation, to the rise and fall of civilizations. In this video we'll take a look at how the titans found the corrupted planet called Azeroth and what they did in order to save the slumbering titan soul inside.
I hope you'll enjoy!
"'I have seen worlds bathed in the Makers' flames. Their denizens fading without so much as a whimper. Entire planetary systems born and razed in the time that it takes your mortal hearts to beat once. Yet all throughout, my own heart, devoid of emotion... of empathy. I... have... felt... NOTHING! A million, million lives wasted. Had they all held within them your tenacity? Had they all loved life as you do? Perhaps it is your imperfection that which grants you free will. That allows you to persevere against all cosmically calculated odds. You prevailed where the Titans' own perfect creations have failed.'"
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[@vitouchea9475]

I know history of Warcraft more than history of the world

[@thinhvo3893]

Considering the history of the world are all differences with each individual country and culture that are not connected to each other, I can see why.

[@jolewower]

both not true. but this one look better :)

[@IceAge1988]

It’s okay I don’t really have

[@IceAge1988]

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[@makcraft]

This rehash of the ancient lore actually made everything coherent. I really enjoy the story so far, and I actually managed to learn something new. Definitely waiting for the part 3

[@RodrigoLinhares]

It's worth mentioning that the August Celestials from Pandaria are also part of the Wild Gods created by Freya.

[@notoriousbig3k]

+Rodrigo Linhares PAndaria cannot be called canon

[@SuperChipsboy]

+notoriousbig3k lol yes

[@Fafancina]

+notoriousbig3k Pandaria is more of canon then wod is.

[@ipicy909]

+notoriousbig3k why?

[@FirstDiesHope]

+notoriousbig3k You can tell that you're a moron who only played the expansions because of the hype and has never even touched any of the novels. If Pandaria isn't canon then we lose the August Celestials (which played a giant part in the early story of Azeroth) as well as Lei Shen and the freeing of the Pandaren (Which are all core characters to the main storyline before Green Jesus appeared). L2P & L2R kid.

[@TheDinterOX]

Watching your videos before going to sleep ain't really the best idea, at least for me. Once again, one video led to another and that another to another one. About 4 hours later, here I am looking for the next video

[@kardiona]

that's how it works right? :P

[@m33rkat68]

Bro same 3 day bender and now I can’t sleep

[@Ellthom]

I love how Blizzard have been inspired by Norse, Greek and Egyptian gods with their Keeper names, . :D

[@narev6569]

They were "inspired" by H.P. Lovecraft enough to rip off his gods for their pantheon. Cthulhu = C'thun, Yog Sothoth = Yogg Saron, Shub Niggurath = Shul Nagrath... They put less effort into changing the names than a 7th grader copying Wikipedia.

[@thechosenbeastdoesgames956]

Narev nah, I still give the reward of less effort to the 7th grader, most I knew didn’t change anything from Wikipedia. Few copied the sources section, was disappointing even to me...

[@soulkutu]

Nobbel, now we have art for the old gods, I am really tired of seeing C'Thuns everywhere.

[@thinhvo3893]

You must love Hearthstone then

[@Yasherets]

+soulkutu "MY DREAMING ENDS, YOUR NIGHTMARE BEGINS"

[@khalduras784]

Originally he wanted to use the picture of a planet void filled from the star augur etraeus encounter but he couldnt get a clearer version of it hence why he used this.He talked about this on twitter.

[@kellybrandmeyer8654]

+soulkutu Bitch bitch bitch. Doesn't matter how insignificant, someone will fucking bitch. Thanks for taking the time to make this video, Nob. Ignore the complainers.

[@stormsaw6052]

+soulkutu We have known about C'Thun since vanilla you know?

[@sabamonstergaming]

Just gotta say man... the thoroughness of these videos is ridiculous. Well done man.

[@Balshazar]

17:08 love this picture. I like to see Azeroth before the split and under titan control

[@JohnSmith-ds3hd]

So... does that mean that right under our virtual feet there is a baby titan? What happens when it wakes up?

[@simongosimon]

+John Smith i dont think it literally cracks. its a spirit, not a physical thing i think

[@echoingooze1076]

We die.

[@MrBlancify]

+John Smith That would be cool if we at some point were forced to work together with the old gods to kill the titan soul so it would blow us all up.

[@liamdalton79]

+A'lar Yeah right! Better dead than with the Old Gods I say!

[@MrBlancify]

Liam Dalton There is no escape, not even in death. Submit to the will of the old gods. Shr'alfg urugh, rogg shara norshkusz!

[@Rakinjo2]

9:34 - "He unleashed the GREATEST of his genitals!"

[@BioMatic2]

oh god that made laught more that it should

[@Rakinjo2]

BioMatic2 x)

[@Kang003]

Definitely made me laugh more than it should..

[@jupitersgodzilla7114]

+Rakinjo2 LMAO, WHAT?!

[@alexjones9970]

Rakinjo2 Holy shit

[@luciauslunella2918]

Another fantastic video Nobbel c: Keep up the good work

[@Emma-gw5mi]

Thank you for putting in so much time and effort into making these videos Nobbel :)

[@TrackOneBatavia]

Fantastic video, Nobbel! it was so well put together and your understanding of the lore makes it so easy for the viewer to understand, too. Thank you for the story telling!

[@DagothDaddy]

I'm betting that the "Dreams" of the Titan spirit is the emerald dream

[@helmthunderson9218]

You used a female Titan model for Azeroth's Worldsoul, am I overthinking things or are you on board with Elune being the Titan of Azeroth?

[@Nobbel87]

+Helm Thunderson That's exactly the reason why I picked a female model over male, but that said...The reddit post about the titan spirit describes it as a he. www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/4bnfpn/spoilers_question_about_the_chronicles_story/

[@helmthunderson9218]

+Nobbel87 Oh wow, you replied! I honestly did not expect that... I did see this before in one of your previous videos, but I found it a bit too ridiculous to take seriously. I just wanted to know if you were supporting the theory, since everything you predict becomes canon. Anyhow, thanks for responding again!

[@MrDodongodongo]

+Nobbel87 What if Elune was actually the elemental lord (Lady? Lordess?) of Spirit? I mean... if you kinda think about it, the NE's and the Wild Gods have always been kinda linked together, and I always assumed the Wild Gods (those are like Ursoc and them, right?) were already linked to Spirit. I know this i kinda late, but it was a thought that came into my head a couple days after I watched this video. Maybe that's why she is the "Moon", because the Old Gods imprisoned her there like the Azeroth the Titan in it's egg. What do you think about that?

[@MrDodongodongo]

+Nobbel87 Also she is by definition the *cough cough* Spirit *cough cough* of the Moon

[@helmthunderson9218]

+Sauceyapples Oh, that actually makes a lot of sense! But... Wouldn't that mean her powers are drained by that aborted World Soul? (According to that reddit post, that is)

[@MikiMauZzZ04]

I have never played Warcraft games, mostly I have no idea what are you talking about in those videos, but I really really like em. Thank you so much, those videos truly are amazing.

[@Shinpew]

Listening to this while trying to sleep, gets an 8 minute ad in the middle... caught me off guard. Lost focus, again. I want to learn the lore but my thoughts always wander and suddenly I've lost a minute of it and when i listen again I don't know what's going on. This is well made and I'm sad I can't get through them because my brain sucks.

[@rgytos]

absolutly massive wave of new extremely interesting lore

[@azphell1510]

Damn , the story of the titans and their creations really is fascinating ... we need more ... MORE !

[@HamCubes]

You are a superb storyteller, Nobbel!

[@SparklessBubble]

Fantastic information, gathered and presented in a phenomenal way with the most terribel diction on youtube.

[@RinsedCheeks]

I feel like there is still a lot more to be said about the Titans encounter with N'Zoth, though the reason they decided to not touch upon it is because they will most likely include it in the next expansion. (Assuming the next expansion is revolving around N'Zoth and Azshara)

[@fr1lex925]

These are so fun and itnresting, Since im lonely i really like to dream how i would be in these universes as a hero. I always solo old content and listen to all the lore. This is so good

[@moyga]

It would have been great if they did this lore revamp and polish before cataclysm so they could weave the story really well into every zone.

[@Chfoulu]

3:40 This helmet makes him really looks like a Khorne Berserker from the Warhammer universe xD

[@TheRedname]

16:09 apparently Satyrs, Naga and Queen Azshara are counted among the Wild Gods.

[@jothewerewolf]

might be because in the modern nights, the term has grown wider, including ancient beings and even loa, even those who would bot have fit in Freyas definition of the term.

[@TheRedname]

Jonatan Rydén Unless elves are considered Wild Gods... fuck no.

[@jothewerewolf]

Haha, now that you mention it. A race of ancient, virtually immortal beings, with stronger ties than any other native race to the emerald dream and the ancients. They might as well be.

[@TheRedname]

Jonatan Rydén Please stop lmao

[@notoriousbig3k]

+AlphosLeo Queen Azshara gained future visions Satyr's are corrupted elfs Naga are corrupted elfs they are basically the fallowers of Azshara that wanted her corrupted demonic gift she got from Manorath

[@albertsteffensen9727]

Just what i needed, a lore video when i can't sleep :) tnx man

[@TheMrWolex]

I want a World of Warcraft Let's play :D You playing wow while talk about the Story of the Quests. I could watch it for Years :) Keep up the great work

[@paulinemcintosh7582]

I am an old female fart,,and have only just begun to play wow, just to understand what my kids were talking about. After watching ur understanding of the lore it makes it so much eaiser for myself to understand. Thank you for taking the time to do this. The game is great.I love it !!

[@batuhanguzelahmetler3239]

This was great Nobbel. I wish it was 5 hours longer :)

[@cavedwarf91]

i like the way you roll the "r". just like velen does ^^ nice work and great videos :)

[@121juggernaut]

The chronicles answered so many questions.

[@ASandlily]

Ah~ your voice is so soothing. Thank you for the lively, and passionate explanation with your lovely lilt. ^-^

[@leesong551]

Nobbel, you should have your own soundcloud or podcast, dude. I am sure I am not the only one that is listening to this as a bedtime story.

[@RakazakTV]

I love going back and watching your old videos :D

[@grumpdogg213]

Amazing video Nobel, instantly my favourite ever of yours.

[@Towxnas]

awesome vid as always. keep up the great work.

[@LePlayerMan]

I need more lore! Nobbel87, I love you so much for your videos! Keep 'em comming. Please! :D

[@pinkduke]

I love all of these videos Nobbel87, please put them out faster.

[@Numbers_Game]

So what will happen if the titan soul on Azeroth awakens? Will the planet blow up in the process or will it exit the planet in a way that it doesn't kill everything on it?

[@Soliwre]

+NOBUNAGA1991 That's what I was wondering, too. They never really say what happens to the worlds the titans are birthed/wake up from. I'd imagine the waking titan soul would be a zone/raid of some kind either way. Either we'd have to lull it back to sleep so we don't all die or protect it while it does... whatever it does while transitioning from sleepy to wakey.

[@Numbers_Game]

Soliwre let's wait and see

[@ArakkoaChronicles]

+NOBUNAGA1991 The exact way the Titans are described makes them sound more metaphysical than physical. So when the Titan is born, he doesn't hatch and destroy the planet, or even go Transformer and shift into a humanoid. It is very likely they instead either a) simply emanate a new metaphysical body, b) their inhabitants create an avatar body which the Titan then uses to move about away from its "real" body, the planet. Remember: the Titans are world-*souls* not worlds. Disclaimer: this is informed speculation.

[@Sariot666]

+Verroak Krasha Sounds good. Ima agree with you

[@BC-zl3ez]

+NOBUNAGA1991 I think this is gonna be the hidden motives behind why Sargeras wanting Azeroth so badly, he wants to kill the slumbering Titan, because of what nobbel just said the slumbering titan will either be just as powerful as him or even more. This plus the fact it could become corrupted makes him just want to destroy it and be done with it. (Or steal its power)

[@bruceyoung4777]

*Elementals fighting endlessly* "Why do you do this?" Elementals- "Its fun??"

[@TsarDragunov]

So much Norse mythology in Blizzards Titan lore. Aesir and Vanir are the 2 pantheons of the Norse Gods. Really cool stuff!

[@mrspidey80]

Metzen is a huge fan of that stuff, especially Marvel's take on norse gods.

[@Spicypapaya4719]

You are 'intune' with the story. Listening to your excitement is very interesting. Not boring at all. :)

[@_Lanstus_]

Nobbel can read a damn Phonebook and it'll sound interesting :D

[@nostromo2871]

Thanks for these lore videos i really wouldn't know where to begin being

[@TheObsidianArmor]

hey nobble! love yours videos, I was wondering if you could make a lore video about the worgen

[@kevinfrausto741]

Essentially there’s a hierarchy of gods from both light and dark fighting each other and Azeroth is their battlefield.

[@Chiiyuriii]

Wait there are Five old Gods? If you go to about 18:58 and read the box in the bottom left its say:" The Pantheon shattered the Old God´s citadels and chained the five evil gods far beneath the surface of the world." Weird i always thought there where only four. Great video Nobbel..watching alot of you Lore stuff at the Moment really interesting and im having a blast. Keep it up!

[@Shadyshooter]

Nobbel do you plan on reviewing the new Warcraft trailer?

[@thinhvo3893]

I rather not, it look shit.

[@writershard5065]

+Thinh Vo The PAX one looks really good.

[@thinhvo3893]

+Writer Shard it does, I'm here hoping they will released it somewhere this week or at least the released of Civil War, that seem like a good marketing strategy.

[@joeschmoe5063]

+Thinh Vo The audiences for captain america and WC have lots of overlap and most probably would rather see captain because they know it will be a decent film at least. Video game movie adaptations are very murky and there is still some lingering skepticism over the WC movie.

[@adefiasthug]

@nobbel87 Hey nobbel at 1:19 is there any explanation for the Decay and the shadowlands?

[@Crogatho]

Your narrations are amazing, man. But, you sound so incredibly Dutch xD

[@DazeJokerz]

where do you get the family tree tables like the ones for the old gods at 2:26?

[@SirKnasher]

About the possibility of there being more islands to visit, I remember someone asking Blizzard why the Southern parts of the game are more tropical rather than icy. You can say is because we already have Northrend but even then it would make the world really small, like smaller than Pluto, that could mean that we're only seeing a quarter of the full planet, there could be a Southern region and also a West/East region. Opening the story to more villains and new unique races.

[@MrScallywag331]

How about a Twin Emperor Vek'lor lore video?

[@FilmakerGamerJonttu]

Before Chronicles came out, I always wondered why on earth did the Titans create Well of Eternity on Azeroth but not on Draenor? Like, there's got to have been more purpose in there than just maintaining planet's life force. Now I know and I can relax.

[@LCErus]

Hi Nobbel, great video, but it left me with some questions I was hoping you could address in a follow up. What happened to the Old Gods or Elemental lords when we "killed" them in World of Warcraft? We fought C'Thun in An'Qiraj, Yogg-Saron in Ulduman, Ragnaros in the Firelands, and Al-Akir in Skywall, but are they really gone?

[@AEther0238]

You should make a video, or a 4 video long series, about the specific stories behind each Old God. I would pay to see that. Unless I missed the video in my google search. If there is one by Nobbel, somebody please tell me.

[@alyxhesser6821]

Very cool new lore tidbits! Gotta say, big fan! I love listening to these while I'm at work. It's like listening to books on tape of really interesting short stories! :D That said, I have a couple of questions regarding some info from this video. If the Well of Eternity is the band-aid/result of the wound to the Azeroth Titan Soul from Y'Shaarj being ripped out, what do you think the implications are to the Titan itself would have been when Azshara and the Highborn opened the portal to the Legion through it? Has the Titan been "bleeding out" for 10,000 years after the Well blew up and became the Maelstrom? And, if the Well was the manifestation of the band-aid over the wound, what do you think the new Well that Illidan created with the waters means? Would that be a new wound to the Titan Soul? Could the World Tree a band-aid for the band-aid? Taking that a step further, using the same waters to create the Sunwell, was yet another wound caused to the Titan Soul? Is that perhaps why the Wrathion story said that we must rebuild the final Titan? It seems like we may, inadvertently, been slowly been bleeding it dry like leeches. If the Wells do indeed run off Titan energies, what do you think the implications might be for Draenor/Outland? In the Black Temple, during the warlock green fire questline, it is remarked by Kanrethad Ebonlocke that "The powers of this room are not unlike the original Well of Eternity on Azeroth" in regards to the pool under the Reliquary of Souls. It even had enough power to break the Legion's hold over the demon-kind that now serve Illidan. Do you think this may indicate the presence of a Titan Soul within the planet of Draenor?

[@littlekeegs8805]

The Well is basically referred to as scar tissue. So the wound is not bleeding, but not completely healed either.

[@littlekeegs8805]

That portal would have probably reopened the wound imo.

[@littlekeegs8805]

The new "wells" are just made from the arcane energies that were in the well: it's a magic source.

[@wiz4e]

Epic quality of videos. Huge thanks for sharing so much of interesting info! gg, Nobbel87

[@RazorSmasher]

I got into thw WoW lore thanks to you Nobbel, so thanks for that :D

[@NoTruth_42069xdgodxqtjaja]

BUT I WANT NEXT EPISODE NOW!

[@badgermcwaffles4834]

very awesome. I always wondered where the well of eternity came from. wish there was more on the void lord/gods and old gods as they are something thats been very vague

[@kennethultimate02]

Warcraft's cosmogony is so amazing

[@QuestionableObject]

You got the wrong voice file for Y'shaarj, Wowhead has it wrong too, Y'shaarj's is the one has set as N'zoth's and vice versa.

[@ladyfibonaccii]

The Faceless One's are from Lovecraft too!!!! Luuuuuuurve it!!!!

[@thegreatxyz]

goede video ik kijk uit naar de volgende , top man!

[@ivandimitrov824]

Hey Nobbel, i stopped playing the game after MOP, but i still enjoy the lore, I was wondering if u can make a SUM UP vidio about what happened in WOD, with all the cinematics and to line it up with the forthcoming events in Legion.

[@meuteni]

Great video as always why no pictures of mimiron available? also, were the picture of y'sharaaj and N'zoth accurate or just fan arts?

[@Crazylegs677]

+Rene-Pierre Blanchette Mimiron wasnt always a mechagnome Loken killed sif, Thorims wife, he didnt want Mim telling so he killed him, Mimiron's gnomes contained his soul and built him a new body.

[@meuteni]

Crazylegs677 Nitin Shekhar thanks guys!

[@TheGargalon]

I'm trying to find the video where Nobbel talks about the pandaren and how (someone) created the pandaren before the elves and humans in Azeroth. Does anyone know which video it is?

[@fedxpro]

really good video. thanks for doing it

[@Lillers24]

Hey Nobbel! What's the deal with Venture Co. in WoW? Are they actually digging for something mysterious or are they just excavators all around the wow universe?

[@jothewerewolf]

love the video. cant wait for the next one.

[@AgentCamtho1]

I like the proper explanation for why they only killed Y'Shaarj, the Sha never seemed THAT bad, but if killing one creates another Well of Eternity, that makes sense

[@daedrican5900]

God... Your story telling is better than my kindergarden teacher.

[@taylorbrubaker1617]

I'm thinking Blizzard could be using these new books to move toward the Titan soul awakening in-game. I wouldn't be mad if that's the way WoW ends. but of course, they want to milk it for all it's worth, so who knows how long that will/would take.

[@eltriplej6944]

'Like larva from a hive' That Starcraft reference though.

[@agingbobmachinima6323]

You should make a video on either The Bloodsail Buccaneers or the Syndicate.

[@vteccomplex]

So did they retcon the whole "A Titan fell fighting the Old Gods" thing?

[@maciekx10]

+Mad Max Yeah.The Titans didn't even take part in the fight themselves (except for the destruction of Y'shaarj which was very easy for Aman'Thul since apparently he just killed him with one hand) Also the fact that a Titan fell was supposed to show us how mighty and scary the Old Gods were. Now the Old Gods seem to be way below the Titans in power and the Void Lords seem to be the strongest evil in existence.

[@RileyRivalle2]

+Mad Max Practically everything the Titans did on Azeroth has now been retconned to the Keepers doing it. Apart from that not much has changed, but a staggering amount of details has been added to the story.

[@JuanCruz-my9jv]

We, the players, are avatars of the titan of azeroth and we are not aware of it, much like Anveena Teague, making us the most important character in the story. That is why we kick everyone's butt and will keep doing so. We are being brought into maturity by our experience in raiding, questing and pvping.

[@rametep354]

I cant help to think that Blizzard has taken a lot inspiration from norse mythology when writing this. There are also lots of norse mythology in Legion as far as I have seen.

[@unholyallen9572]

Hey Nobbel, when you max zoom out the ingame map, you will see the three planets : Azeroth, Draenor and Outland but left and right there are two guys.. who are they ?

[@Distant_Bleeting]

Do you have links to the art that you used in these videos?

[@DIEGhostfish]

Another retcon, of lore almost everyone forgets. According to the Uldaman discs Dwarves were buuilt out of flesh on prior titan worlds, and Azeroth was the first time making them entirely out of stone. Since Draenor had Ogres that were not made of pure stone I think it's still PARTLY true that the titans didn't always make rock and metal servitors.

[@ScottAndNumbers]

So wait, the Titans no longer gave some of their power to the Dragon Aspects for them to bring and keep order to Azeroth?

[@bozonpixel4294]

You know, Nobbel, I hate you (not). Because of your cool videos I constantly return to WoW :)

[@drallagon]

I've read the book but was left hanging about what happened to the World Soul of Azeroth after the Well of Eternity explodes, causing The Sundering. Does it is still there waiting to be born? If it happens, would the planet cease to exist? Like the planet itself is the Titan's body etc. so many questions

[@buldren0101]

I kinda wish they had stuck with the lore about Trolls predating the arrival of the Titans. It'd be badass if Trolls were around during the Black Empire, being badass and resilient enough to survive the harsh chaotic environment of the world.

[@joshuachavers9249]

Excellent thank you I didn’t know any of this.

[@helenasilverio1320]

Nobbel, you mentioned 4 Old Gods in Azeroth, but what about that one in Dark Shore with a huge sword in his head? Was that a Old God or just a very powerful minion?

[@The1rust]

It only took two lockouts to kill all of the elemental lords and it was likely more difficult content back then. Impressive.

[@Bear4g]

8:15 - "I can taste the essence of your soul, it is...... weeeeeed..."

[@Badadaha]

9:34 "He unleashed the greatestof his GENITALS..." 😳

[@silverdarkhawk2539]

I've just seen King Magni's Crystal form in Wowhead, back in Cataclysm Magni Casted a spell to commune with the world and his spell back fired and petrifying him, transforming his form into crystal. It could be one possibility that he could have merge his soul into Azeroth (the slumbering Titan's World-Soul).

[@kevinsun7617]

He would be too insignificant to do anything.

[@eltriplej6944]

Nobbel, tell us the lore about "The Ancient One", from hearthstone!

[@bremwynn9090]

I would watch this, but already watched Hellscream's vid on it. So I'll just throw a like and be on my way :)

[@jowe784]

+Bremwynn You should watch it anyway cause of his Beautifull voice.

[@FunTimeWithSouls]

But you weren't talking for long enough I want more!!!

[@blake7587]

I remember long ago fighting a battle against C’thun and becoming a Scarab Lord.

[@danortiz]

+Nobbel87 i have 2 question. Why the keepers didn´t help fighting the Legion @ War of the Ancients. And is Aggramar dead?, what happend with his weapon Taeshalach?

[@chewybite5980]

Thank you for your service

[@Houmicek15]

There should be an in-game NPC named after Nobbel. He´s doing a great job by completing the story of the game. That NPC should be part of league of explorers or something like that. I´m just curious if there is any possible way how to contact Blizzard about this. I´m pretty sure that Madson would support it. :D