Nobody Cancels like Evangelicals

[@CamMcCannOnline]

Turek believes in eternal conscious torment. I would say that’s the ultimate cancellation.

[@harveywabbit9541]

Turek is a liar.

[@anthonybarber3872]

Indeed, because the Bible teaches eternal conscience torment...but I must add, that this is not what God wants...that's why Jesus came.

[@Rolando_Cueva]

​@@anthonybarber3872 no. Revelation teaches the second death. Death means death.

[@mfsebcw]

​@@anthonybarber3872jesus is the one who invented the torment. Jewish tradition holds no eternal torment.

[@NeilDonald-y5h]

When we celebrated the Salvation Army's 100th anniversary in Kamloops, British Columbia, Tony Campolo was to be the keynote speaker. Shortly before he arrived, he endorsed LGBTQ. Immediately, several evangelical churches withdrew from the event in protest. Yet the event was not about Campolo, but about celebrating the work the Salvation Army had done here for a century. In canceling Campolo, they canceled the Salvation Army. Sad.

[@denisemayosky1955]

Well, those churches are in the wrong! The idea of salvation is it's supposed to be for EVERYONE, INCLUDING the LGBTQIA+!! It isn't our job as His followers to decide who deserves to hear the gospel. It's for EVERYONE!!

[@IamGrimalkin]

Now this I do have problem with. It sounds wholly inappropriate to depart from the event for that reason.

[@DIBBY40]

Spot on! I noticed this often when I was evangelical, years ago; say the "wrong" thing, or deviate in any way from a cherished doctrine and watch Christian love evaporate like an early morning mist in summer.

[@denisemayosky1955]

Then they were not true Christians. Simple as that!

[@MichelleG.-et8yk]

I see many Christians doing this canceling. The big problem is they don't want to read the Bible in its cultural context. I come from a Catholic background so it's happening there as well.

[@denisemayosky1955]

It's sad!

[@horridhenry9920]

Jesus once cancelled everyone, except 8 people on a boat.

[@KingoftheJuice18]

Can you explain that reference? It's not to the story of Jesus calming the storm, is it?

[@ChristianCatboy]

@@KingoftheJuice18 It's referring to Noah's Flood. Presumably "Jesus" would be present in that story as the pre-incarnate Logos.

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@ChristianCatboy Osiris became Noah in the flood myth.

[@Shikuesi]

@@harveywabbit9541 Lol @ this claim, when Egypt was one of the very - VERY - few nations apparently without any traditional echo of the Flood to be found in indigenous cultures the world over (330+ in the Americas alone)

[@harveywabbit9541]

@@Shikuesi The bible flood takes place in the zodiac. The five signs are Scorpio thru Pisces. See Rev.9.5.

[@cdlahm7571]

Rules for thee but not for me

[@douggustafson8247]

I have been advocating this position over the past few years. Another example is Alaister Begg - cancelled for his advice to a grandmother to attend her trans grandson's wedding. This is sickening. As a former Calvinist and therapist for over 44 years, I'm appalled that the message of love and compassion eludes the evangelical community. By the way, I listen regularly to you Randal online and so appreciate your ministry. I'm reading "Jesus Loves Canaanites" - so important a topic. Anyway, keep blessing us with your ministry. Glad you're not afraid of being cancelled.

[@ChristianCatboy]

It's astounding to me that the trans issue gets so many Christians all bent out of shape. I had been praying for relief from my dysfunctional maleness for decades, so it felt like Divine blessing beyond all expectation when I finally learned that gender dysphoria is a real medical condition that can be treated like any other endocrine imbalance (eg. thyroid disease or diabetes). Most of these anti-trans crusaders barely know what real trans people actually believe. It has nothing to do with "fornication", much less the fantastic sins they project onto us.

[@denisemayosky1955]

Good for Mr. Begg! He's living out the idea of loving your neighbor and spreading the Good News to ALL!!!

[@Recluse336]

I'm no longer Christian but grew up in the church and attended a university owned and run by the evangelical church I largely grew up in. Around my senior year at the college, one of the biology professors wrote and published a book essentially arguing for a form of thiestic evolution. The response from congregations that helped support the university was so upset that the school removed him from teaching any classes that might include evolutionary concepts, and a year or so later, he was removed/left entirely. Then some years later, after my time so this is just what I've heard, the school was looking for a new creative writing teacher. They settled on a guy who seemed ideal, a third generation alumni of the school, the son a current (and much loved) communications professor, and a recently published author. Then some of the people in the afore mentioned congregations bought his book. Much to their horror, they discovered he had dared to include a homosexual character in the book, and immediately they got up in arms and got the school to recind the job offer. If I am recalling correctly, the job offer was recinded mere weeks before the semester was set to begin. I have no great love for the university I attended.

[@11kravitzn]

An apologist being dishonest for the sake of the agenda? Who could imagine?

[@helgmelia84]

I stopped trying to win the approval of Evangelicals a long time ago.

[@ciplogic]

Amazing clip as usual!

[@ciplogic]

As an ex Baptist I remember not being too welcomed to say anything about evolution in early and late 2000s

[@ciplogic]

And as the progressive Christian theologuan JS Spong said: "I never got a death threat from a Muslim or an Atheist. But twice from fundamentalist Christians"

[@Zictomorph]

Universal salvation? "Farewell Rob Bell"

[@daveferguson937]

I remember once saying in an Evangelical Church that I did not know if purgatory was a good idea. The leader handed me a Bible and said, very aggressively, 'Show me!' I opened at 1 Corinthians 3: 10-15. He was furious. 'It doesn't mean that! It doesn't mean that,' he yelled and turned to Romans where he felt more confident. The idea of not being able to even question was puzzling to me.

[@denisemayosky1955]

With these evangelicals, it's all about lifting up men, not God.

[@johnnylollard7892]

Since when do Protestants or Evangelicals believe in purgatory?

[@daveferguson937]

@@johnnylollard7892 It's not unknown. C S Lewis makes a good case for it, and some Evangelicals universalists think Hell is not permanent.

[@lex4929]

What does he think about how Steve lawson was cancelled

[@denisemayosky1955]

Who's that?

[@benj6949]

This video has actually encouraged me to read Eugene Peterson's work! There's a book on my mother's bookshelf that's calling out to me!

[@empiricalfaith]

Of course evangelicals believe in traditional marriage. They have not changed on this. And of course they expect leaders to adhere to scriptural teachings. Christianity was counter-cultural 2000 years ago and remains so today. And having said that, of course Christians are like all other human beings who can overreact. Now you know we we need a savior. what Turek says of Jesus is 100% true, IF you believe you are a sinner in need of forgiveness, and willing to believe in Jesus and place your faith in him to cancel your debt of sin. He was punished on the cross to pay that debt, and he offers it freely to anyone comes to him sincerely seeking forgiveness. Last note, an apt comment a comment from someone sums it up for me, "So when a contemporary hero of the faith ends up redefining marriage with no theological, biblical, or ethical explanation-and what little reasoning he gives is uncharacteristically unclear-I don’t call this a terrible day for evangelicalism. I call it Wednesday." Amen.

[@helman41]

"Nobody cancels people as evangelicals" then you don't know other religious groups very well. The story of imam Nick Pelletier comes to mind.

[@ChristianCatboy]

Islam can get REALLY hardcore with how they "cancel" apostates!

[@doofusrick5998]

They aren't mad about cancelation. They're mad because they're views are no longer seen as tolerable or acceptable by more and more people

[@Tiredhike]

Thank you for slogging through all the gross evangelical stuff so I don’t have too.

[@jtiner72]

Research the Alpha ministry and you’ll find a diamond in the rough in terms of biblically faithful safe Christian spaces. They desire all guests (of all backgrounds) feel safe as they explore the questions of life together.

[@brandontaylor3249]

I'm curious on your theological position, if it has a name. I am not in disagreement. I believe we need more voices like yours. But I am curious what the future direction of The Church under such circumstances

[@SockPuppetSeminary]

As a ReVangelical, my plan is to get cancelled again! 😂. 2017? That was quite a year, imo. Now that this has been explained, it does seem that some church friends stopped reading The Message and changed to the ESV that year. 🧐🕵️‍♂️. Vague anecdotal memory. 🧠

[@davidstair9657]

Jars of Clay, anyone.?

[@denisemayosky1955]

What happened with them?

[@mathiasbartl903]

From a Christian perspective what is a difference between an atheist man and woman signing a paper in front of a judge and engaging in civil marriage an institution governed by quite different rules that the sacrament of marriage in Christianity, and am atheist same sex couple doing the same?

[@AlexaCramer]

This is an interesting take... I would not have read that into the tweet that he was criticizing liberals who cancel people. I'm wondering why you're assuming that's what he meant?

[@aaronmichaels807]

I have gotten blocked, silenced by many, for my liberal views, my grace theology and pro-LGBTQ stance. My answer, why bother? separate and divide..

[@denisemayosky1955]

Maybe Frank and his fellow evangelicals should take their own advice there. Jesus really *did* come to cancel our debt from sin, and not people, but the evangelicals are too busy trying to cancel everyone else while crying about being cancelled themselves. Sigh...

[@bigtobacco1098]

Hell cancels 😅😅😅

[@IamGrimalkin]

I don't really see how you can go from Frank Turek to Lifeway and Albert Mohler. Maybe Turek disapproves of how Eugene Peterson was treated, who knows? For myself, I'd say that Eugene Peterson, as a Christian bookwriter, is a effectively acting as a teacher of the faith. Someone's opinions do matter when you're considering promoting their books, as it might affect the teaching in those books. I would say that Lifeway were a bit trigger-happy (doing so the very next day, presumably without the time to ask for clarification is assuming far too much). But I'm not necessarily against the principle. It's similar to a politician losing their support because they believe in an unpopular policy. Margret Thatcher wasn't 'cancelled' for the poll tax, because the issue is central to her job description. When people talk about the woes of cancel culture, they are usually talking about something entirely unrelated to their work. Like a novelist losing gigs due to their opinions on some cultural topic. Maybe it might be relevant for their cultural satire novels (although I don't think so, even cultural satire is fundamentally to entertain) but not for their whole portfolio. It's also about removal from what are supposed to be neutral platforms. The Conservative party is not a neutral platform, so there isn't too much issue with Thatchers' removal. If the BBC refused to have interviews with her for that reason, eyebrows would be raised. Lifeway is the publishing arm of the Southern Baptist Convention. By its very nature, this makes it a non-neutral platform. Again, eyebrows would be raised if people tried to get him removed from HarperCollins for that reason, but Lifeway is different. As an aside, I never understood the gleeful reception to the Message. Clearly it's too 'loose' to be considered a proper translation (at least, in the presence of viable alternatives). And really I can't see much utility for it in opposition to a proper commentary. It might be useful in a handful of niche contexts but most of the time it's actually used it's done inappropriately IMO.

[@jenna2431]

Jesus told his followers to permanently cancel people. Luke 19:27 "But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.” That is Jesus' words, the red lettered ones. Sounds pretty cancelling to me.

[@steevrawjers]

Classic Christian comedy

[@rickyblackburn-n9e]

Er, ah, I believe the Bible calls it sin.

[@stevenbatke2475]

And yet, the bible can’t bring itself to call slavery a sin. In fact, it endorses slavery. The bible says a lot of things we don’t follow.

[@rickyblackburn-n9e]

@@stevenbatke2475 Context, context, context. There were many forms and levels of slavery from times past. The world of thousands of years ago was run a little differently than the world of more present times. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. The Biblical context would be more akin to an employee-employer relationship, although there were degrees of slavery. Daniel, for example was a slave, but he was also the second highest ranking member of the Babylonian kingdom.

[@stevenbatke2475]

@@rickyblackburn-n9e the bible condones debt, chattel, war, and concubinage slavery throughout the bible. The only apples to apples comparison we can do, is look at the antebellum slave laws of the south. And guess where they were directly lifted from? The bible.

[@stevenbatke2475]

@@rickyblackburn-n9e and what is the “context”? Is it “owning people as property is wrong”?

[@rickyblackburn-n9e]

@@stevenbatke2475 The Bible reports on many things. To say it condones them is different. You have an agenda -good luck with that. When you're deeper in your hole the Bible will still be there.

[@photosbyjf]

sounds like a Trump rally