Noram Cheetah Racing clutch vs max-Torque

Noram Cheetah Racing clutch vs max-Torque
Did some zero to thirty and top speed runs with the Doodlebug mini bike and a 15 tooth max-torque clutch and then changed out the clutch with a Noram Cheetah racing clutch to see if it would improve performance.
Tillotson 212 with a 265 cam 22lb springs, billet rod and flywheel,.010 head gasket. 24MM flat slide carburetor and a header pipe.
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Max-torque 15 tooth clutch - www.ebay.com/itm/174947428063...
Noram Cheetah racing clutch - www.ombwarehouse.com/noram-ch...
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[@samceja2429]

Thanks for another great video!!!!!!!!!!! Please keep them coming!!!!!!!

[@WyFoster]

You don't want to grease the bearings too much because the grease has a habit of moving around and getting in between the clutch disks and friction plates. I use Vaseline because it'll evaporate if it get somewhere it shouldn't be.

[@thompsonbrian8791]

Cool I have a whole lot of that 😂😂😂I was looking for a specific grease

[@toddstewart9922]

Man that is a little beast now. Great video man!

[@jaimenking5351]

Ive always wanted to see if the cheata clutch was actually worth the money. Same gear ratio, same motor, same conditions*, this is a perfect comparison. Love the video bud stay safe!

[@Black66]

Thanks!

[@sanhoe1472]

@@Black66 what’s the best tooth clutch and the best tooth rear sprocket for top end speed

[@Spacecruizer203]

woah man that bike is like a stealth bomber Good stuff Black66

[@houseoffire72]

Excellent video..! Nice improvement using that clutch.

[@freshbutplain1144]

Wanted to watch the speedometer for that top speed run with noram clutch but it went away. Keep up the videos!

[@albertpeterson7134]

Black66 Thank's For Another Good Video. And Marry Christmas & A Happy New Year

[@Black66]

Thanks! Same to you

[@fluXxSieRra]

Awesome info man! keep up the great work!!

[@Black66]

Thanks!

[@lizzard7473]

That's a huge gain! I didn't expect that!

[@Black66]

I didn't either. I was totally surprised. I would like to throw that clutch on a different bike with a different combo to see if I get similar results.

[@gloriabauer2392]

Like all the different tools you use.

[@rocknrye9273]

Can't wait to get this for my scoot build to Ice Race soon! The MAX TQ ain't cutting it. I NEED that slipping off the hit, MAX TQ engages to early for me and I end up taking to long to get into the PowerBand. I'm excited!

[@heathenprojects2639]

I'm glade your so close to Mexico for all these speed runs

[@Black66]

Yes! me too...

[@matframpton8656]

Great vid my man!👍

[@Black66]

Thanks!

[@skippy710]

That's a beast mini bike 🔥👍🥂

[@nickclashez]

Great video!!!!! Norman Cheetah = less slip = more mph

[@richardmichaels274]

Dope video!!

[@madness_-yg3lw]

Awsome video definitely need to look into one for myself im still running a cheap clutch and 420 chain definitely looking to switch to 35

[@Black66]

Thanks! Appreciate it.

[@pitbikecookracing3324]

Thanks buddy , great Channel 🤠👍👊

[@Black66]

Thanks!

[@NVScrapper]

This was a great video, one of the best ones you've made so far. I love that you were able to change out the clutch and also test the speed for both clutches. I was concerned that you were going to run out of road there for a minute! Maybe wear some gloves next time! Keep em coming!

[@Spacecruizer203]

Black66 gets right to the point no fluff all juice baby

[@scottbrodie3071]

Did you have the light shoes in the max torque or the heavy wedge shoe or a mix of both? If you had light shoes and the nor ram had heavier shoes then that’s probably why you had the 5 mph gain with the nor ram. I would be interested if you used the light shoes in the max torque in the example of above mentioned would equal them out. Always great content you provide awesome quality keep up the great work!

[@randykase8826]

What distance was that top speed run? Im trying to figure out what gearing to do a little 1/4 drag racing with my buddys. I have same mods on a predator 212 but with a vm22. Have 3 different sprockets to try 66, 63, and 59, (as well as the 3 sprockets that come with the cheetah 13,14,15

[@TOASTyB]

hey question how do i install a clutch that doesnt use a locking key but has about 1/2 of play where it slides on the gear shaft

[@CameraPonselChannel]

Thanks..great vids..hello from🇮🇩🇮🇩

[@Black66]

HI!

[@loufernando7617]

Thanks for the video

[@Black66]

Thanks for watching. Check out the Doodlebug playlist. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKDZYqt_ZdaDrtE

[@tashatorrid]

I've debating the 3D or this clutch. That's a big gain. After smoking my last clutch and having to push back, I'd feel better about either I think

[@Black66]

One cool thing about the 3D clutch is you wouldn't have to take it apart as much. I'm wondering how long this one will run before you have to replace that thrust bearing? especially if I don't lube it up all the time. Guess we'll find out.

[@heathenprojects2639]

I don't like the 3d just about the time you get it set and adjusted you hit a pot hole and back to the drawing board adjusting it again if you wanted to drag race it's great clutch when it wants to work right you constantly have to mess with it I've got an old bully clutch I bought years ago that I love set your weight and and done I've not ran this clutch but have ran similar one and really with the price point being about same I'd say spend your doe on this clutch skip the 3d head ache and the therapist your going to need from the 3d when it starts giving you troubles in the first month of use

[@scorpioslab]

Hey I can't find the video where you had the #40 chain, sprockets. Any luck finding a clutch that is not 10T for a 3/4 shaft, 5/8 bor

[@jimcornish242]

love the shootout between the clutches, but you should have mentioned the massive price difference between the two of them in the vid

[@Black66]

Thanks! Ya that is for sure! I got lucky when I got this clutch . I got it for $205.89 . Right after I picked it up the price went up a lot!

[@TOXIC-hb7rc]

You should compare the noram premier titan clutch vs the cheetah. Also you can probably get a little better 0-30 time if you tune the cheetah clutch.

[@Black66]

I would like to do that comparison. Yes, this was pretty much straight out of the box. Ill tune it in upcoming videos.

[@dannyadkisson]

What tires are you running on your bike? I'm looking to replace mine and am looking for a good street tire. Great vid btw! Keep um coming!

[@Black66]

Thanks! I have the 1 × 15 x 5-6 Ultimate Mini Bike Street Tire on there.

[@dannyadkisson]

Thank you sir!

[@db3170]

Great job btw what is your elevation at the testing site thank you for your content.

[@Black66]

Thank you! The elevation is 3500 feet .

[@robertyoung7027]

The area that you live in is beautiful and so open. Question: Does the distance from clutch to rear wheel have any consequence? Like if I extended my frame to have the rear trailing was farther from the clutch say 6" extra distance from clutch to rear sprocket and would I need to change tooth count for the extra distance?

[@Black66]

Thanks! Here is a video of me stretching the exact frame. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaalf61mn61oprc

[@michaelstump6933]

Questions... the ratio of teeth on front sprocket to teeth on rear sprocket is simple enough, but what is the generally preferred ratio for overall good performance? And, how is the rear tire diameter factored in? I'm building a minibike with a stage 2 or 3 Predator 212, governor delete, billet parts as required, and a genuine 40 series Comet torque converter setup. It's the larger of the two driven units (Magnum driver and 44D driven) and I have not yet chosen my ratios for the chain going from a driven jackshaft on the TC driven unit to the rear wheel. The rear tire is 18 inches in diameter. As for proposed usage, I'm hoping for snappy and quick to get going, fairly quick all-out (50+), asphalt and dirt roads, gentle and moderately steep hills and trails. If someone experienced could advise on jackshaft and rear sprocket ratio just to get me in the ballpark, I would be very grateful. I would also like to know which chain size I should be using. Thanks!!

[@mr.stonerUDX714]

lube that noram clutch every other run been doing it this way for years and thats what works for me

[@Black66]

Thanks! For sure! I hear ya. Maintenance on this thing seems like it will go a long way

[@NouriGains]

great video impressing to see the difference between the two... I wonder what a 3 disc bully would do vs the noram clutch

[@Black66]

Thank you! Im not sure but I would like to know myself.

[@NouriGains]

@@Black66 what were the rpm engagements for the max torque vs the cheetah?

[@Black66]

@@NouriGains The Max-Torques were ingaging about half the RPM the Cheetah was. I really like Max-torque clutches too. I have a 10 tooth Max-torques racing clutch I really like. Especially for the price.

[@NouriGains]

@@Black66 Oh okay that makes more sense than. I am using the 12t max torque 3000 rpm engagement pretty sure its the black springs. Pretty decent for a $40 clutch. 2 discs are sweet though

[@bryanmartinez9551]

Yooo I’m gonna buy a Norman cheetah clutch for my 212 and I’m wonder are the sprocket and change able

[@AffordableAirguns]

Here a new subscriber awesome video.. what app are you using for the mph? I have a manco streaker with a 212 predator.

[@Black66]

Thanks! I use digiHUD on the phone and a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30 times

[@AffordableAirguns]

@@Black66 awesome 👏 thank you for a quick response. If you have Instagram put the link on the comment so I can follow you.

[@Black66]

@@AffordableAirguns instagram.com/doubledown555black66/

[@ReverendBow]

Man, that engine sounds healthy

[@Black66]

Thanks! I really like the Tilley with the 265 cam.

[@randykase8826]

What modifications are done to this motor? I have same gearing with the cheetah and mine is a slug. Took 1/2 mile to get to 50mph. Have nibbi 24 and stage 2 from gopowersports with 26lb springs

[@Black66]

Check out the Doodlebug playlist. I have had many different engine combos on this bike. Thanks for watching! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGScq4Ote7aCiJo

[@pbedrook]

You hve any bikes with 53t on rear?

[@keithbrown7088]

Is ther any way to get the clutch to stop slipping or if it's pretty much done for

[@Black66]

This clutch is made to engage at 4000 RPM. Its a racing clutch. It is adjustable .

[@OUTLAW21X]

Which would you recommend the cheetah or juggernaut torque converter?

[@Black66]

It totally depends on what you want to do with the bike. If you want top speed I would go with the clutch. If you're looking for trail riding and low end I would go with the converter.

[@dat525s]

what app do you use for the 0-30 marks?

[@Black66]

I use a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30. I show it in some of the videos .

[@jojojeep1]

In order to get the race clutch to work properly you should be idling right below 4000 RPM so as soon as you touch the throttle you’re already in the higher RPM you just takeoff, I have a clutch that engages at 3500 I keep my idol at 2900 and that’s not good I should really keep mine around 3200 it’s just a street bike so I don’t like doing that. Those type of clutches are just for races you idle at 4000 and you takeoff your rip all the way down to 8/9000 the race is over

[@bikescarsandmore6156]

Hey, can do u mind if I ask some question about that carb? I can’t seam to get mine running right, pwk24?

[@Black66]

Sure

[@bikescarsandmore6156]

@@Black66 predator 212 hemi, .010 gasket, light port n polish, no gov/oil sensor, billet rod/flywheel, 265 hot cam, 22# springs, skinny center exit header, pwk24 #38 slow jet/ #135 main, air mix is like 1.5 turns out. It ideal good, runs good at low rpm n at WOT, but when I goose it to launch it studders a bit, then goes, any tips on tuning?

[@Black66]

@@bikescarsandmore6156 Nice combo! I would raise the needle up a notch to richen it up a little. Have you checked out the VM tuning video? Same thing happened there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5-0p3yie71rnq8

[@user-gt3xx6lc1o]

Did you go to 35 chain at same time? Maybe less drag as well?

[@Black66]

Check out the doodlebug playlist for many combos and set ups with this bike. On this one I have always run 35 chain. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2WUoKp6f7x9ndk

[@weasel1262]

What's your 24mm carb jetted with? Main/pilot etc ? Please help. 🙏

[@weasel1262]

Still no reply

[@weasel1262]

@Dave N what does it matter to you? Mind your business this shit was 3 months ago

[@ivan.delgadillo10]

@@weasel1262 still need help?

[@weasel1262]

@Ivan Delgadillo no I'm over mini bikes now lol, I moved up to a ruckus 😬

[@brayanortiz481]

Brooo you haff the link of the clutch from eBay Ahy really need help

[@Spacecruizer203]

hey if all u had was a 74 tooth 35 chain rear sprocket what clutch would u run to break in a brand new ducar 212 gov not removed yet but i have a stage one header pipe bigger main jet and highflow air filter setup

[@Black66]

Just a standard 12 tooth 3/4 clutch. inexpensive

[@Spacecruizer203]

@@Black66 just ordered some fdj one no frills lol only 20 buckarooskis but the do have a max torque one for 60 bucks but the cheaper one has More buys and better reviews it sucks they don't make a 10 tooth 35 chain one cuz all I gots is this big ole 74 tooth 35er

[@Spacecruizer203]

@@Black66 GLookin on the fast reply mate that was snappy

[@Black66]

@@Spacecruizer203 A 12 tooth will work fine with that 74-rear sprocket.

[@Spacecruizer203]

@@Black66 I'm gonna try it out 2 see if it's a beast or not

[@cmosdaboss]

I wonder how on top end how the speed was faster when the ratio was the same?

[@Black66]

Maybe a little more slip up at the top so the engine was closer to its optimal RPM band or the opposite and it had batter lock up so less power waisted...

[@JavierRodriguez-cj8qr]

Premier vs max torque next plzzz

[@domturiace670]

you have to take it apart and lube it every time though?

[@Black66]

Ya, it's best to keep it lubed up. It's really quick and easy after a while with a good set of snap ring pliers .

[@nahpree]

Would you recommend the norm cheetah clutch for long rides?

[@Black66]

Im not sure yet. I have only used it on short blast so far. I will know more after I get some more miles on it.

[@dabtech7456]

I burned mine up in 1 ride . Went to a mini bike parade in Brea and the constant stop and go roasted the bearings by the end of the ride it was making a loud screeching sounds at idle and would make the engine stall .

[@gyroplane]

hi, did you try to change the engagement rpm ?

[@Black66]

I have use this clutch in quite a few videos with different combos. Yes it is super easy to change the engagement .

[@gyroplane]

@@Black66 Hi thank you for THIS video, really instructive, as for the others I am gonna explore your channel .. one question on the adjustement pdf they give engagement RPMs, for example 2800 RPM, di they mean that at 2800 RPM the clutch begins his engagement or do they mean that the clutch is tottaly engage ? I am gonna use this clutch on a gyroplane rotor for an electric pre-rotor ...

[@williampippin9480]

What tooth sprocket at you running on the rear

[@Black66]

66

[@clutch517]

What mods are on that motor to reach that??

[@Black66]

Its a Tiley 212 with a 265 cam 22lb springs with a billet rod and flywheel ,.010 head gasket . 24MM flat slide carburetor and a header pipe.

[@pbedrook]

Wat kinda grease u used on clutch?

[@Black66]

A good high-quality wheel-bearing grease.

[@gonetoheck]

Curious how much you have invested in that bike the way it is with the Cheetah racing clutch in it ? (just priced the clutch on a couple sites...between 280 and 290 bucks before tax)

[@Black66]

I got this clutch a while back for $205.89 at OMB warehouse and then soon after the price went up . I got super lucky to get it at that price!

[@meyerracer]

What exhaust was on this build ?

[@Black66]

I have it linked in the Doodlebug playlist in one of the exhaust video descriptions. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2WUoKp6f7x9ndk

[@uuumaaadbrrooo9785]

What website can u get the doodlebug? 😂

[@Black66]

Not sure. I would have to look at that. I bought this one at a yard sale.

[@pitbikecookracing3324]

👊

[@ivzgaming3755]

What engine do you use?

[@Black66]

This bike has a Tillotson 212 on it .

[@MOE13576]

Hahaha, I just finished painting my minibike (lime green with some black)

[@Black66]

Best color ever!

[@mr.stonerUDX714]

max torque clutches slip slightly at high speeds thats why max torque clutches are good for yard carts not racing

[@paulkendall34]

Hope none of that grease gets anywhare on that clutch disks and grease will sure creep and hope u wiped most of that off because looked like alot of grease.

[@Black66]

I have used the Cheetah on this bike and a few others. It has been working great so far. Check out this video. Thanks for watching! kzbin.info/www/bejne/roebmmhvlqyIl9E

[@AdamOpheim]

Would be great data if you had a tach so you could see when it does stall/grab. The stall point will change a ton depending on the power made. Always felt like it took my cheetah forever to grab and we were done with our drag race by 330ft. So it wasn't very effective for me... Worked well on the bikes making big power though. Another fun trick/experiment is to spray a small mount of wd40 on that torq master clutch. Bumps the stall speed way up for a run or two until it burns off. Def seemed to improve 0-30 times. didn't seem to "hurt" clutches.

[@Deucealive75]

The zero to 30 makes sense. The top speed gain does not.

[@bigdog5389]

I would love to send you a picture of my minibike. I have a 2017 Doodlebug that I stretched 8 inches with a kit out of Michigan. It also has the 212cc predator motor with the governor completely removed from the motor. It as well has the 15 tooth max torque racing clutch, straight header pip with a 22mm Mukuni carburetor. I call it the death trap. will run 60+ depending on the person.

[@ducttapeandwrenches]

you run the stock 70 tooth rear sprocket?

[@connorholgerson9557]

What’s all done to that bike?

[@Black66]

Its a Tiley 212 with a 265 cam 22lb springs with a billet rod and flywheel ,.010 head gasket . 24MM flat slide carburetor and a header pipe.

[@keithbrown7088]

I watched how they make max torque clutches and they mentioned not to put regular 10 30 or 20 wigjt oil into it or to use patroliam based oil into it

[@ratoneJR]

67 MPH in a 25 MPH zone. You don't want to get caught. Here you will get arrested for reckless driving. Major fines. lol. But, I still want on of those gold clutches.

[@waynebrown5428]

Great comparison! I get nervous riding mine at 37 mph!

[@Black66]

You and me both!