Norfolk Southern Locomotive ON FIRE !!!

[@adriellcabrera5643]

When NS is short of rail grinders

[@spacecookie5730]

Adriell Cabrera 😂

[@pavlodarskiepoezda]

+

[@ontariorailfanproductions]

😂😂😂😂👌👌👌 true

[@maiyo8518]

Also a fire alarm has NS as it’s model

[@senorkaboom]

I guess his "Check Train" light didn't come on.

[@user2C47]

LOL

[@TPB-OPA]

lol

[@tosochanthol71]

LOL

[@ernestmccollum2397]

Good one

[@MariaSalgado-lu2bh]

Xdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Lesson learned here! It's a good idea to be conscious of what is going on in front of AND behind the locomotives. I sure hope a lot of crews view this video for a simple reminder. Detectors are not infallible.

[@Amtrak90222]

"NO DEFECTS" gg NS

[@bnsfbandit9807]

Amtrak 90222 LOL XD

[@Creeperboy099]

You’d usually expect CSX to be like that...

[@MegaSquadVincent]

XD AHHHH IM ON FIIIRRREEEE, HEEELLLLPPP MEEEEE!!! LOL XD LOL XD

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

A flame on the axle, which is about 2 feet underneath the locomotive, appearing in a small mirror almost 400 feet away is not as easy as you think. It would take a deep curve to the south (the train is moving west) to take notice something was flaming, and the next significant curve to the south on this line is 22 miles away.

[@dougbarnowski5224]

Why didnt you contact someone? Lack of accountability is what is wrong with the world today!

[@urmumsipad]

It wasn’t really on fire dummy

[@railfanallen]

I always see myself coming back to see this video, it's fascinating. Dangerous but still fascinating.

[@rtm8575]

As an engineer I've had this happen two times. Thankfully BOTH times I saw the motor bird-nest and stop before anything happened. Thank goodness for mirrors on the units. I know there is the belief the railroad doesn't pay us enough to do more than absolutely required, but when the public is involved it's worth the extra effort. The great thing about Railfans? They help keep us out of trouble and keep things from getting torn up out there! Thanks for the catch!

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

And to think, they ran like that all the way from Allentown, that is around 50 plus miles!

[@michaelhodges5684]

This brings back so many memories

[@MatthewSmith-to1hz]

Cars: I can do a burnout on my rear tire. Train: that's cute

[@retro_wizard]

Reminds me of the movie runaway train

[@brucetharpe762]

セントグロリアナRukuriri the original runaway train is from 1985

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

No, not a stuck brake. The hand brake is located on the front. I am not sure that the lead GP60 would have a certain type of alarm. Someone said JBS found the traction motor DOA, and somewhere along the way of being dragged, the roller bearing has seized. Another pointed out that possibly the contact wires for direction of movement had become welded together.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

There are a lot of light moves around here because of 3 quarries and several coal sidings/plants along the line. Why just today I saw two different sets of power go get a train. Since the Harrisburg Line is inbetween 5 yards (Enola, Allentown, Reading, Abrams, Oak Island), dozens of "yard" units pass here a week, sometimes it is light moves (leader online with isolated or DIT), but most of the time it is DIT on the mixed freights. This particular 963 was bound to Enola for 92 day.

[@ronniekenworth171]

"My Brakes Are On Fire, There Made Of Wood" Anyone Knows The Reference Anyone?

[@ironmatic1]

*Runaway Theme plays*

[@TheMatsushitaMan]

They're*

[@mpfy2k]

Thomas & friends the adventure begins

[@fastdreamer5860]

Ronnie Kenworth yep

[@______________9548]

Thomas & Friends The Adventure Begins

[@Hhotmama26]

i do,thank you, my husband used to love trains too when his dad was a boss when he was younger, but now being an engineer and how the railroad treats them, i think he loves the trains deep down but not the railroad itself, i will try and post the pics of him hitting a stalled big rig on here that happened last year they are pretty cool, i think u would like

[@bigbrianDASHncDOTcom]

For those who are saying that the brakes must be on, please note the the description mentions a “roller bearing siezes” this would mean that the roller bearing would not turn , which it would follow would then keep the axle from turning, I don’t have any specific knowledge or experience of this, but I do understand the implication, that the axle was not turning, not due to any use of the breaks, but because of that roller bearing being shot.

[@bigbrianDASHncDOTcom]

+Sting Dawson How can you tell, from the video? there is no way to know from the video is there? either a worn out roller breaking, or brakes being applied or stuck, might keep an axle from turning, and if the roller bearing truly was seized it would seem to have nothing to do with the brakes would it? brakes that were on, or stuck in a closed position, would not be in contact with the roller bearing, or at least that soul seem to be an unlikely configuration.

[@bigbrianDASHncDOTcom]

+Sting Dawson I did not say they could not, what I asked was what gave you such certainty that the initial malfunction was in the brakes, I was asking in case you possibly saw something that I did not see, something that would point the balance of evidence in one direction or the other. Just wanted to see if I was missing something that others noticed here.

[@bigbrianDASHncDOTcom]

+Sting Dawson also I was taking the word of the original poster who clearly mentioned in the video description, that a wheel bearing had seized, the stuff about the brakes all came from the comments, so it seemed more likely that the original poster, who actually took the video and took the time to look into this, and reported what they found out was more likely that the speculation that followed from folks who viewed the video and just were making a quick comment.

[@francoisd6942]

+Brian Martsolf The breaks on a locomotive are not strong enough to lock the wheels. it is made like that to prevent flat spots on the wheels.

[@francoisd6942]

+Brian Martsolf Hot boxes are rare on a loco, most of the time it is a bearing that burn and the motor armature is destroyed due to the heat produced when the armature rubs against the field coils hence jamming copper coil between the field coils and the armature hence jamming the motor and dragging the wheels on the track. To allow the wheel to turn, the track team would remove the bottom part of the gearcase and cut the pinion gear.

[@ElementofKindness]

Nah, that's normal. The loco had a flux capacitor in it, and it was just about to hit 88 MPH.

[@alexandergrube6437]

Lol

[@BigRichMann]

The beauty of this is that there was a road foreman on board this engine movement!

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

48 of them between road numbers 7100 and 7150. In case you are wondering, there are still GP50 high-hoods as well, though many of them are beind rebuilt into GP38-3's.

[@GoyaveGoyave]

When did James turn into a diesel? Is an SW11 going to save the train with brakes on fire and get a branch line all to itself?

[@HustleMuscleGhias]

IT is a really long drawn out process. First they sent James the scrap yard to be cut up. The scrap went to the smelter and manufacturer, who then sold the steel to EMD.

[@TheMNrailfan227]

Goyave cringe

[@GoyaveGoyave]

Man, that was 7 years ago. I was 14 🤣

[@Samxd90]

@@TheMNrailfan227 no one asked

[@williamyoung6715]

IM ON THE HIGHWAY TO HHEELLLLL

[@gregorygold4491]

Oh yeah!

[@Yarelis2086]

William Young LOL haha that's a good joke

[@Bubbacatboy]

AND SHES BUYING A STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN

[@davidnew6669]

It is a loco on fire, like Taco Bell's spicy dorito "loco" taco!

[@ICrailroadprod.2007]

You are a fool and a genius at the same rime

[@railfanallen]

This is one railroad video I always see myself looking back on, Norfolk Southern at their finest ladies and gentlemen.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

The unit was going for the 92 day inspection. This slug-mated set works the hump in Allentown Yard. Dynamic brakes are used on some parts of this line, perhaps some day I'll catch that.

[@XBOXShawn12thman]

I just came across this video ... Subscribed!!! 👍

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

The locomotives are: GP60, Dash-9-40CW, Dash-8-40C, Dash-9-40C, RPU-6 Slug, SD40-2

[@general5104]

and it appears like a #4traction motor lead fire, right next to the fuel tank.

[@oscaralvarezproductions2430]

And there’s 6199 acting like 1206

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

The unit had been en route to the Juniata shops, probably for normal inspection, when the traction motor seized along the journey. Where/when is seized is not known. From what I hear, this incident is actually under investigation.

[@shawnlastguest1337]

Gave me Unstoppable vibes.

[@jackwojno7816]

A freight train came rushing through much too fast. Norfolk Southern Locomotive steel brake blocks were on fire. Just like... "The engine was James and he was frightened. His brake blocks were on fire."

[@jackwojno9639]

“They’re pushing me! They’re pushing me!” he panted.

[@Boss302fan]

In the US, Canada and Mexico the railroads haul amazing amounts of tonnage very safely and efficiently. The freight locomotives built here are used around the world. When things go wrong, as they do with diesels put under amazing stress, they make for interesting videos.

[@indiscriminaterailfan]

Thanks, Wikipedia.

[@mattsmith4322]

TONIGHT!!! WE RIDE!!! IN HELL!!!!

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Yes it did, for about a minute or so before they went out. Thank You!

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

It's not necessarily the crew's fault, after all the fire may have just happened. The fire is about 400 feet back and mostly underneath the unit, looking in the mirror one would hardly notice this unless one is squinting directly into it, and at twilight, things are hard to notice, no matter how bright they are. The line is mostly streight and big curves, especially to the south, are not common.

[@Hhotmama26]

my husband is an engineer for NS and this video has just made me worry even more when hes workin now! he just hit a truck last year!

[@JawTooth]

I could have used my radio to notify the crew immediatly. You guys should buy one.

[@AshHill07]

I would be concerned about the railway companies priorities if they had a go at you for telling a driver his train was on fire ... Also it does say in the description that he did radio this in.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

It contains traction motors which, when hooked up to a "mother" locomotive (in this case the 6199), is powered through that engine and gives extra tractive power on yard hump operations... in Allentown. Speaking of which, today I just saw 6199 mated to slug 864, not on fire this time.

[@meshurchavda2701]

Ex

[@Boss302fan]

Yep. Some railroaders take care of their equipment. Even if they have a beef with management, they take pride in the fact that they can do amazing feats with the power at their disposal. Running is a skill and an art form, and I always respected the power I used. No crew came after me and found trash in the cab or dirt on the floor. I may have been upset with management, but I did not dump on my brothers. Unfortunately, many dumped on me.

[@joblessgamers3296]

Thats how the world works now a days, It is what it is.

[@Loco4Locomotives]

Sure has to feel great to be at the right place at the right time with a camera! Great light show!

[@SFLRailFan]

I could've been a railroader if I wanted, but I like being home and I like trains. I knew that if I were to pursue a career with the railroad, I wouldn't be home much and I'd probably end up hating it. I've had a few cab rides - each time I was glad when the ride was over. Noisy, very rough and sometimes pretty smelly. I find chasing and watching trains so much more enjoyable. Thanks, but you can keep your job... I'm happy just standing along the tracks while you flip me off as you go by. ;-)

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

I called the NS Police and notified what was wrong with the unit. They stopped after dispatcher notified the crew. They did what they could and contacted mechanical operations. All the defect detectors I heard this train cross reported 'no defects'.

[@jackwojno9639]

Norfolk Southern’s brake blocks were on fire.

[@ThatoneWW2lover]

The train that’s on fire is NS #6199 SD40-2

[@gavinbrooke]

As oooooooozy said, the handbrake is on the shorthood nose on the conductors side. As someone who has changed many a traction motor, I think what you are seeing is either a VERY hot box in which the roller bearings are seized (Hyatt), or the gears in the traction motor itself have seized, dragging the wheel down the rail, reducing it to molten metal. I also noticed that it's behind a slug, so it's likely being towed as a dead engine and not under power, therefore, no alarm would sound.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

It crossed 5 total detectors on the trip, including one after this video, but that is strictly Dragging Equipment, though DED's tend to pick up things like Loram, so why not this? When or where this happened no one can say cause no other oncoming trains met this one, all other traffic was following behind.

[@k5elevencinc0]

it reminds me of when james from thomas the tank engine had fire on his breaks memories memories.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Not sure, there are draggers and hot box detectors along the line.

[@cutlever]

no, ooozy has the correct description. This was a locked up axle. The parking brake on that engine is on the front truck, not the rear.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Actually, LORAM passed on the same track two days ago!

[@Oilersfan1392]

a detector is an infrared scanner which measures axle and wheel temperature to detect bad bearings, sticking brakes, etc. After a train has passed with nothing wrong the detector will broadcast an automated radio message announcing its location (79.9 is the mileage on this subdivision) and 'no defects'.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

LOL, and this train was on track one, they grinded track two in March-07, they never got around to one until now!

[@STICKGUYMB]

THAT was epic, man. It was like the SD40-2 from the movie "Unstoppable"

[@oscaralvarezproductions2430]

AWVR 1206

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Not the same train. They each got a different train, I couldn't say that originally because it didn't fit in 500 characters. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

I knew I was forgeting to change something!

[@roweman2]

It's just like that Thomas the Tank Engine episode where James' brake blocks catch on fire!

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

You guys can't be serious. The only correct one here is The40MAC. 1. The crew didn't see it. 2. It may have just had happened. 3. No trains behind it for awhile. 4. Stop speculating crap, I have all the info in the description.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Allentown yard does not have a wye, so the power gets lined up as is.

[@SamualShark]

You may be correct. I refer to Bergen County, Main Line, Morristown Line, Montclair Line, Gladstone Branch, Pascack Valley. The southern tier already had two hot box detectors and several dragging equipment detectors.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Yeah, the unit is in the shops. They are still baffled and are trying to figure out what happened.

[@Rocketboy1950]

@Class37Thrash You cannot overcharge these brakes deliberately. The engineer would simply bail off if brakes were stuck on a locomotive. In this case it is one axle so it is either a mechanical issue with the rigging or a handbrake or a siezed axle which is then a failed bearing or a broken tooth on one of the gears between the motor and the axle.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Hmmm... there is a greaser track down the line from here. I bet that lit up for awhile, although no trains reported any fires.

[@formidable38]

It amazes me how many *engineers* suddenly pop up when a video like this hits youtube. DRG1939 is spot on, the hand brake works on the cab end truck on an SD40 not the long hood. This vid has been on another site for ages and was a seized traction motor.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

It's either a P3 or fouled P5, although it kind of sounds like it could be a fouled K5LA. This one stumped me.

[@2102FAN]

did they know it was happending , and great job and happy 50,000 view mark!!!

[@DogeBoi-ut6kv]

Plot twist: *the brakes were made of wood*

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Didn't they used to have 'roll by' stands where someone would inspect the train? They should bring that back, except with a camera, because detectors are not always correct. A lot of the times on this line it is a false alarm. Then something sparks and gets hot... 'no defects'.

[@robertgift]

Good of you to call that in. Thanks for that and for very steady, well-framed and interesting video.

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

Haha, now THAT would be interesting. Well, I hope it comes back, because I still want to see GP60's in 2020!

[@swipethestones6723]

GP60s still around?

[@Creeperboy099]

It’s like having wooden brake blocks if anybody gets what I’m referencing

[@davidstrawn9272]

Thomas and Friends - Thomas and the Breakdown Train/Thomas Saves the Day. When James arrived on Sodor with old Wooden Brake Blocks.

[@RailsOfTheMidwest]

When you don't want to pay Loram so you just do it yourself

[@TheMNrailfan227]

Finally, something that isn’t an unfunny Thomas the Tank Engine joke

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

I couldn't tell. Just the 1st, and last two is all I can see on the video.

[@WeldinMike27]

I used to be a railroader.... But then I took a fire to the axle.

[@andrewc1199]

"The engine was James, and he was frightened! His brake blocks were on fire!"

[@davidstrawn9272]

They're pushing me! They're Pushing me!

[@andrewc1199]

@@davidstrawn9272 "On, on!" laughed the freight cars. Still whistling "Help, help!" poor James disappeared.

[@davidstrawn9272]

@@andrewc1199 I like to teach those Freight Cars a Lesson! Said Thomas the Tank engine.

[@andrewc1199]

@@davidstrawn9272 Soon came the alarm. "James is off the line! The breakdown train, quickly!!!"

[@davidstrawn9272]

@@andrewc1199 Thomas was coupled on and off he went. Thomas pushed his hardest. Hurry Hurry Hurry! He puffed. He wasn't pretending to be like Gordon, he really meant it. Bother those Freight Cars and their tricks, I hope Poor James isn't hurt!

[@darthvader43609]

the last 2 in that clip are an RPU6 slug and an SD40-2 numbered 6199

[@billbegan4080]

@the Rayterry,you might want to explain that to a friend of mine who died when two rigs banged together when he was passing the other guy,they both pulled off the highway and when he went to check on the other rig the diesel fuel tank exploded killing him. ; (

[@CentralPennRailProductions]

It has to be. But, why would a traction motor just seize in travel on a unit dead in tow?

[@Boss302fan]

If your husband was a good engineer he would have looked back over his train, seen the problem, and taken the appropriate action. Unlike the way it used to be, railroading can be a safe and rewarding career. You just have to stay alert. Bless you both.

[@railroadradio]

And this is just another reasons why Railroads should embrace Railfans and their extra pair of eyes out trackside, rather than treat us as Public Enemy Number one. Thanks Coast for forwarding this vid to me.

[@jamesyarbrough757]

they were just burning away the plants & dead animals so the track would be sanitary

[@mosesperalta5631]

james yarbrough ya on one side

[@Renard380]

You should not worry about him, train is still the safest way of transportation with planes. In this case it is just a brake system that kept applied and went too hot because of friction. It should not be a danger since it mostly makes a lot of sparks and little flames. I am a train addict and i'd love to become a driver, and to be honest i feel safer in a train than walking on the street. Those things are so big that even a truck is not such a big threat. Hope you feel less worried now :)

[@SamualShark]

NJ Transit added hot box detectors to all the lines in the Hoboken division about four years ago after wheels started falling off the coaches.

[@Weeklydoseofrailways]

Nice capture... Can I use this video in my train compilation video credit to you in video will be given

[@brainerdrebel]

Good for you DRG. I started for Southern Railway in 1969, you probably weren't born yet. I loved working for Southern, I retired from NS, it wasn't any fun anymore. I hope you have as long a career as I had. Seems like all NS wants to do is cut jobs. Just making conversation about what the possibilities causing the fire. Old oil Journals would light up the night, we called them hot boxes, not hot wheels. My old Division is using a lot of remote controlled engines, I hope it doesn't effect you.

[@brainerdrebel]

For all the cubs, the crew didn't take the hand brake off the engine. It will not flatten the wheels, unless they are sliding, the brakeshoes are on fire. I have done it several times with cars and engines, when moving them a short distance. I didn't want to take the time to take the brake off and set it at the next stop. It keeps carknockers working. Brakes stick on cars all them time, when the engineer dosn't draw the trainlline down enough before releasing the brake.

[@SFLRailFan]

Thanks for not taking me seriously. ;-)

[@haroldreardon8070]

Locomotives are mostly made of steel. Steel does not burn therefore the train NOT on fire. Oil, grease, brake shoes get hot and ignite. Sparks or melting metal is coming off so it would be a bearing, brakes or locked up axle.

[@gravelydon7072]

+Harold Reardon Things that will burn on a loco. Steel if you get it hot enough, plastic, paint, grease, oil, fuel, brake shoes, and wire insulation. An armature that has birdnested will produce what you see.

[@SuperDuckman24]

Was there any damage to the engine like were they able to fix it?

[@FlyBikes089]

Holy!!!! They is everything is fine right now or it failed unit there?

[@Robin-ot3ft]

this is applied hand brake

[@godswill7030]

Right this was due to handbrake accidentally active.

[@ironmatic1]

The desc. says the roller bearings failed. And you can't have a handbrake applied to only one axle on a loco.

[@tencents49]

Rocky Disaster more like driving a car with the ebrake for an entire roadtrip

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

byPercy the brakes were damaged

[@Rocketboy1950]

@4freespeech And not stopping just might cost him his job. What if the axle failed or the wheel got turned off the axle and it derailed. What if it happened as another train was passing. This is a STOP situation. It is unsafe to continue.

[@JerryTaylor501]

Nonetheless rallygsc, the video is merely a case of a hand brake on the trailing unit that the outbound engineer failed to release upon taking over the power. I worked for Conrail for twenty years as a locomotive engineer and have seen this more than once. Each engineer is responsible for inspecting the engines he takes charge of and obviously, this one did not. As far as a fuel explosion, unless there is an exception to the rule, Diesel fuel will slowly catch fire, but will not explode.

[@rottenroads1982]

The lead Norfolk Southern locomotives: “Yippee!!!!” The Last Norfolk Southern Locomotive: “WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!”

[@Tequilaman45]

The units can be off line and still show a wheel slip as long as the 27 point jumper cable is plugged in thru out the engine consist. Do they not connect the jumpers on the conrail and hope the signals travel from engine to engine by osmosis?

[@robertgift]

GREAT CATCH! Good of you to call it in and get them stopped. Did the engineer not see anything? Great detector not catching it. Why did it not? Thank you for calling and also for posting this.

[@GregHool]

Oh my God dude! What a catch. That sucker was moving. Nice work on the call in. I would think there's gonna be some extensive work to be done on those trucks. I wonder if it caused any track damage? You can hear the flat spot clacking away. I hope it didn't beat the rail to death.

[@suburbanrailfanner545]

We can all agree none of us were surprised to see this

[@WandererLife85]

@JerryTaylor501 I remember the move well. It actually turned up to be a locked-up axle on the 6199, and a stuck brake (not hand brake). Just the perfect storm of problems.

[@alexanthony08]

No, its more like Unstoppable, with the single loco attached to the rear, brakes lock up, while two forward engines power on.

[@tprdfh51]

If you listen closely you can hear it hissing. Thats the sound a skidding wheel makes when it is no longer turning, just like a snake. Another clue would be the smell of cordite. That's what steel skidding upon steel smells like. Doesn't look like a hotbox either. Roller bearings burn bright white like a flourescent bulb when they go bad. This one is too orange and is on both sides of the engine. I'll say its a locked axle. Why, I don't know except that locos are the engineers responsibility!

[@ReadingAreaRailfan]

I think they forgot to release the hand brake.

[@FL92002]

nice to see some sparkage, lol. kinda odd that they have a slug and mate cut into the middle, isn't it?