Normal Subgroups and Quotient Groups (aka Factor Groups) - Abstract Algebra

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Күн бұрын

Normal subgroups are a powerful tool for creating factor groups (also called quotient groups). In this video we introduce the concept of a coset, talk about which subgroups are “normal” subgroups, and show when the collection of cosets can be treated as a group of their own. As a motivation, we will begin by discussing congruences.
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@Socratica
@Socratica 10 ай бұрын
If you'd like to learn more, we have a free course on Group Theory! www.socratica.com/courses/group-theory
@siddharthprakash8942
@siddharthprakash8942 5 жыл бұрын
The most useful series of mathematics videos I have encountered since 3blue1 brown
@randomdude9135
@randomdude9135 5 жыл бұрын
Yup. If you know any other awesome series like this, then it'll help me a lot.
@manuthebroker5598
@manuthebroker5598 5 жыл бұрын
I agree
@vibodhj349
@vibodhj349 4 жыл бұрын
Check out Faculty of Khan as well.
@mychannelofawesome
@mychannelofawesome 4 жыл бұрын
@@randomdude9135 please check Mathdoctorbob's series on abstract algebra... It's really great, really intuitive, and goes into phenomenal depth.
@effy1219
@effy1219 4 жыл бұрын
@@mychannelofawesome thanks!
@ericvosselmans5657
@ericvosselmans5657 2 жыл бұрын
I am already quite old and trying to learn abstract algebra. Sometimes I just need a very clear and down to earth description of a mathematical object which can be quite hard to teach yourself from a book This channel provides an excellent tool in that regard. Thank you!
@ThefamousMrcroissant
@ThefamousMrcroissant Жыл бұрын
Now try Analysis or Calculus III and absolutely tear those last remaining hairs on your head out. I took a second master in Electrical engineering when I was 32 and I felt like a fucking grandpa already.
@samiaario8291
@samiaario8291 5 ай бұрын
I find it helps to have different source material for the same subject, and to skip back and forth between sources. These videos are great for that purpose.
@alexamadori9884
@alexamadori9884 4 жыл бұрын
Can watch this almost effortlessly in the evening, trying to read the same theory from a book took almost a week of studying every morning and led to a more superficial understanding than this video. You guys are geniuses when it comes to presenting ideas, you're definitely on the list of channels I'd like to support when I'll be able to.
@homiramanuj
@homiramanuj Жыл бұрын
In Motivating Example, How do we get remainder 1 if we divide -14, -9, -4 etc. by 5? Please reply i am so confused 😢 integer mod 5 is confusing me
@godspower_eze
@godspower_eze Жыл бұрын
@@homiramanuj The smallest number closest to -4 that is divisible by 5 is -5 so -4 - (-5) is 1. Same goes for -9, -14 and so on.
@erfanmirzaei705
@erfanmirzaei705 11 ай бұрын
@@homiramanuj In the division quotient can be negative numbers. Thus, by dividing -14 by 5 we get -3 as quotient and -14-(-15)= 1. The point here that the quotient times divisor should be less than or equal to dividend.
@whypeoplehategemini
@whypeoplehategemini 5 жыл бұрын
I had to play the video multiple times with several pauses along the way for me to grasp the concept.
@christopherkemsley4758
@christopherkemsley4758 3 жыл бұрын
Somehow I stumbled upon your channel while searching for the Primer Vector Theory a couple days ago, and then watched your entire astronomy series ... and here I am watching the entire Abstract Algebra series. One thing that has always frustrated me trying to learn these things from, say, Wikipedia is that they're always written by people who fully understand the subject FOR people who fully understand the subject and and are quite difficult to understand until you understand it - even in cases where the concepts are quite simple. I'm so glad to have found your channel where you explain things so simply and so clearly. Thank you so much!
@sadied0g
@sadied0g 5 жыл бұрын
This playlist is awesome! TOPOLOGY WHEN?!?!? 😁👍🏻
@bakkamydestination
@bakkamydestination 2 жыл бұрын
S... waiting
@vyrsh0
@vyrsh0 2 ай бұрын
Have they uploaded it now?
@yeast4529
@yeast4529 Жыл бұрын
You know it's a good video when the content seems simple and is really easy to comprehend. Sometimes I lose myself in all of the new definitions etc. in my Algebra course, but these videos pull everything together and help greatly with the motivation behind everything you learn.
@howmathematicianscreatemat9226
@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 4 жыл бұрын
Everything they do here concerning teaching is badass., meaning they look "bad" in front of most professors because their biggest fear is - paradoxically- to be understood while the greatest mission of Socratica is to appear understandable. And hardly a one does a better job. Because maths is first and foremost supposed to be one thing: intuitive and fun. and ONLY THEN to be formal but only AFTER one has established and examined the concrete cases. Maths then appears to be a collection and characterization of those examples and not a collection of dead and unmotivated formal arguments, definitions and theorems. Formal symbols do have phenomenal value but only if one has gotten and intuitive understanding of the theorems and definitions first. Socratica does exactly this. That's why she should be nominated the Oscar prize for teaching mathematics.
@winstonjiang3621
@winstonjiang3621 3 жыл бұрын
“A living Socrates”
@howmathematicianscreatemat9226
@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 3 жыл бұрын
Winston Jiang yeah,she kinda is :)
@theboombody
@theboombody 2 жыл бұрын
I blame the subject more than the teaching. It's very difficult for me to relate abstract algebra to anything I've seen in the past. The only interest I have for it now is it appears to be central in understanding why there is no general solution in radicals to the quintic equation. Which is interesting, but man, do we have to learn ALL this stuff just to understand that one problem?
@alxjones
@alxjones 2 жыл бұрын
@@theboombody Linear algebra is abstract algebra, as a vector space is an abelian group with a compatible field action (scalar multiplication). So in a sense, anything you can use linear algebra for is an application of abstract algebra. That aside, the slight generalization of vector spaces (where the field may be weakened to a ring), called modules, appear in calculus on manifolds: the set of vector fields on a (real) manifold M forms a C^r(M,R)-module. A formal theory of polynomials and rational functions also falls under abstract algebra, in the form of rings and fields. Polynomials are more than just "which ones can be solved via explicit formula" though; for example, differential equations such as y'' + 2y' + y = 0 can be studied as polynomial differential operators e.g. D^2 + 2D + 1. This is, of course, trivial for the constant coefficient case, but when the coefficients are polynomials, you end up with a polynomial ring which is not commutative, and so different techniques need to be developed. Groups themselves also find a good amount of importance in calculus and differential equations on manifolds, in the form of Lie groups. Lie groups are groups, first and foremost, which also have some kind of (smooth) manifold structure. Their related objects, the Lie algebras, are vector spaces with a certain kind of vector product (for example, R^3 with cross product is a Lie algebra). It is precisely the properties of groups that make Lie groups so useful, either as a manifold of study or as the typical fiber in a principal bundle structure. One last thing, the quotients that are being developed in this very video are the basis for the major tensor algebras, including the exterior (Grassman) algebra and the symmetric algebra. The tensor product of vector spaces itself is constructed by taking the vector space whose basis is indexed by pairs of vectors, then taking the quotient by the ideal generated by the properties we wish to hold. From the complete tensor algebra, the exterior and symmetric algebras are achieved by taking the quotient by the ideal generated by skew-symmetric and symmetric multiplication, respectively. Ideals are simply the equivalent of normal subgroups for rings and similar contexts, basically those substructures which allow quotients to have the desired structure. This is just a small sample of the use of abstract algebra in other areas of mathematics, obviously localized to my particular area of study. I hope you can come to realize that abstract algebra is not as self-contained as it seems, and the techniques and language learned from studying the subject is of great importance even in the relatively grounded subjects of calculus and differential equations.
@itszeen7855
@itszeen7855 Жыл бұрын
@@alxjones what is your area of study/research?
@ozzyfromspace
@ozzyfromspace 4 жыл бұрын
This was my first time trying to learn and it didn't help. But I'm gonna try again, and again, and again until it makes sense. I'm committed to finishing your playlist with usable understanding. Keep up the amazing work, Socratica team!
@luyombojonathan7715
@luyombojonathan7715 2 жыл бұрын
How did it go ??? Am starting on a similar journey
@IBMboy
@IBMboy 5 жыл бұрын
my head hurts :( but i will try to watch it again later :)
@randomdude9135
@randomdude9135 5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@ScilexGuitar
@ScilexGuitar 5 жыл бұрын
lmao same
@randomdude9135
@randomdude9135 5 жыл бұрын
This time I understood atleast 50% I think. Time to ponder on my own and scribble around in a book.
@adeelali8417
@adeelali8417 4 жыл бұрын
SAME! I'll come back to the ending later....
@souravacharya
@souravacharya 5 жыл бұрын
The way she teaches and explains , totally incredible...!
@Arv.-
@Arv.- 8 ай бұрын
The way you simplify a complex concept is great!
@joshuaronisjr
@joshuaronisjr 4 жыл бұрын
From 6:00 onwards, although the real case is more general, the entire thing becomes a lot easier to understand if every time she says "times" or "multiply" you think "plus" or "add", every time she says "N" you replace it with "Modulo(someNumber)", "e" is "0Modulo(someNumber)", and "x" and "y" are just numbers that aren't a multiple of someNumber. Cheers!
@jonathanpopham5483
@jonathanpopham5483 4 жыл бұрын
the most approachable abstract algebra course online. thank you so much for your hard work!
@alayamaryim
@alayamaryim 2 жыл бұрын
The most understandable videos of abstract algebra on KZbin.Very easy to understand
@homiramanuj
@homiramanuj Жыл бұрын
In Motivating Example, How do we get remainder 1 if we divide -14, -9, -4 etc. by 5? Please reply i am so confused 😢 integer mod 5 is confusing me
@ClumpypooCP
@ClumpypooCP 10 ай бұрын
@@homiramanujbecause -4 = (-1)*5+1
@o.s.h.4613
@o.s.h.4613 Ай бұрын
@@homiramanujA year late! But 5x1÷(-4) = remainder of 1. 5x2÷(-9) or 10÷(-9) = remainder of 1; 5x3÷(-14) or 15÷(-14) = remainder of 1. Etc. The sign doesn’t matter here, just that you need to make one step (in either direction) to get to the denominator :)
@Anna-jy7cj
@Anna-jy7cj 4 жыл бұрын
This series is blowing my mind, your work is highly appreciated
@homiramanuj
@homiramanuj Жыл бұрын
In Motivating Example, How do we get remainder 1 if we divide -14, -9, -4 etc. by 5? Please reply i am so confused 😢 integer mod 5 is confusing me
@ThePimp4dawin
@ThePimp4dawin 4 жыл бұрын
What an amazing series, this is a goldmine! Perfect depth and speed.
@darsh9156
@darsh9156 3 ай бұрын
This really helped me understanding this topic. I was really confused and now all the confusion is gone. Thanks a lot .
@merlijn1e
@merlijn1e 2 жыл бұрын
I use this series to accompany my lectures on abstract algebra, it helps me so much to understand what is going on. Thankyou!
@LOL091027
@LOL091027 5 жыл бұрын
When we will have topology series like abstract algebra ?
@DiegoGonzalez-xl9us
@DiegoGonzalez-xl9us 5 жыл бұрын
i wish they do it
@howmathematicianscreatemat9226
@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 4 жыл бұрын
Would you want me to ? Or in other words: would it still be useful for you ?
@_qpdbdbqp_
@_qpdbdbqp_ 4 жыл бұрын
@@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 yes!!
@howmathematicianscreatemat9226
@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 4 жыл бұрын
@@_qpdbdbqp_ okay, till when do you still need it? Tell me the date and also if you think good explanations could help your classmates too? If you tell me, then maybe I'm gonna start producing them when I'm back from holiday on the 25th of February. You would then view your first plesant set-topology video on the 27th of February. But if you want to me to start, confirm your request.
@John-js2uj
@John-js2uj 4 жыл бұрын
@@howmathematicianscreatemat9226 I'd also be grateful if you began posting on 27th Feb
@jeromejean-charles6163
@jeromejean-charles6163 4 жыл бұрын
Very good work : still to give a constructive critic: 1) I think the argument for definition yN=Ny could be exposed without going down to elements and avoiding inverse as much as possible.2) The transition from Z,+ to multiplicative is not the best though I cannot think of a simple multiplicative example fro cosets.3) It is so nice to finally see questions being asked to motivate a definition. Still from a didactic point of view it could be worth repeating the question at end ( recap style).
@raunitsingh676
@raunitsingh676 3 жыл бұрын
Trying to find a word that describes my gratefulness for such incredible explanative videos.
@cameronspalding9792
@cameronspalding9792 4 жыл бұрын
@11:04 the set of permutations (123) (132) and the identity permutation form a normal subgroup of S3
@Yougottacryforthis
@Yougottacryforthis Жыл бұрын
isnt it the only (non trivial) sub group as well as the only normal sub-group? any other basically fail to endure the closure property
@cameronspalding9792
@cameronspalding9792 Жыл бұрын
@@Yougottacryforthis it’s the only non trivial normal subgroup, but not the only non trivial subgroup, just pick a set containing the identity and a 2 cycle
@Gaspard832011
@Gaspard832011 4 жыл бұрын
Group is [ i (identity) , r1 (rotation 1/3), r2 (rotation 2/3), s1 (sym 1), s2 (sym 2) , s3 (sym3) ] (i,r1,r2) is a subgroup. This subgroup is normal because: s1* r1 *s1 =r2 s2* r1 *s2 =r2 s3* r1 *s3 =r2 (a symetry is its own inverse element)
@sammie1824
@sammie1824 Жыл бұрын
I got this too!
@homiramanuj
@homiramanuj Жыл бұрын
In Motivating Example, How do we get remainder 1 if we divide -14, -9, -4 etc. by 5? Please reply i am so confused 😢 integer mod 5 is confusing me
@Adam-r2n
@Adam-r2n 11 ай бұрын
eh meshe
@malenaalmasi1774
@malenaalmasi1774 4 жыл бұрын
In really like the presentation style. Everything is very clear and all the explanations are easy to follow. Thank you so much
@tomjoyce9401
@tomjoyce9401 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation: clear, to-the-point, fluid.
@cameronspalding9792
@cameronspalding9792 2 жыл бұрын
@7:25 replace y with y^(-1)
@Socratica
@Socratica 2 жыл бұрын
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@youtwothirtyfive
@youtwothirtyfive 2 жыл бұрын
One more bit of constructive feedback, the exercise at the end, "find a normal subgroup of S_3", assumes knowledge of what symmetric subgroup S_3 is --going by the Abstract Algebra playlist order, the concept of a symmetric subgroup hasn't been introduced yet.
@Socratica
@Socratica 2 жыл бұрын
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@GGC728
@GGC728 Жыл бұрын
The best video i ever viewed on youtube about group theory. Thanks alot
@林宇博-w9l
@林宇博-w9l 5 жыл бұрын
she saved my whole fxxking life during the senior this fall
@Bloodsaberxy
@Bloodsaberxy 4 жыл бұрын
Was self studying Galois Theory and this helped to recap a lot of forgotten theorems, thanks a lot!
@saeedahmedhashmi9448
@saeedahmedhashmi9448 4 жыл бұрын
Mam your way of delivering lecturer is amazing,outstanding.. God bless you
@ThePharphis
@ThePharphis 5 жыл бұрын
Damn I really needed this video 4 days ago before my exam! (it went ok but factor groups was something that went over my head for most of the semester)
@tomwellington4255
@tomwellington4255 2 ай бұрын
5 years have passed, has this knowledge been useful to you outside the classroom?
@ThePharphis
@ThePharphis 2 ай бұрын
@@tomwellington4255 No, but I teach high school and extremely rarely do I ever touch on these topics while tutoring. I think only once or twice (and it wasn't this far in depth)
@tomwellington4255
@tomwellington4255 2 ай бұрын
@@ThePharphis Thanks for taking the time to respond!
@youtwothirtyfive
@youtwothirtyfive 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, great video! I learned a lot. One thing that felt unexplained was this statement just before 10:00 about factor groups that "the inverse of x⋅N is x^(-1)⋅N". I can play around with the integers mod 5 as an example and see it's true, but I'm wondering how to convince myself it works in general. Thanks again for making these :)
@vladislavnikolaev800
@vladislavnikolaev800 2 жыл бұрын
N is invariant subgroup, it means that for any x xN=Nx. (xN)(x^(-1)N)=(Nx)(x^(-1)N)=N(xx^(-1))N=N1N=NN=N. In factor group N is 1.
@fitzregelbrugge3673
@fitzregelbrugge3673 8 ай бұрын
I am studying for my Algebra exam and these videos give an amazing extra insight and perspective on the matter. Thank you!
@Socratica
@Socratica 8 ай бұрын
We're so glad you're finding our videos helpful! Good luck with your exam!! 💜🦉
@Souley239
@Souley239 5 жыл бұрын
I really like you because explain the subject in an easy and understandable way.
@tekhiun
@tekhiun 5 жыл бұрын
One of the best math series on youtube. maybe the best if you already have enough background to understand this. Thank you for doing this !
@don611
@don611 3 жыл бұрын
It gets confusing when she says "For cosets to act like a group xN yN = xy N" I didn t understand why so I thought about it. Assume the opposite: xN yN =zN with z not equal to xy. Using the identity we get: xy = zn for some n in N, multiply the left side by z^-1 we get z^-1xy = n. Therefor the coset x^-1zN has the element: x^-1z n = (x^-1z )(z^-1x)y = y So the coset yN and x^-1zN have the element y in common which according to the socratica video about lagrange theorem is a contradiction because two cosets can t have elements in common. This is why z must be equal to xy for the cosets to behave like a group.
@ilguerrierodragone129
@ilguerrierodragone129 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for the explanation, although i didn't understand it very much. I think you could have said: xy = zn for some n then y = (x^-1)zn So y belongs to the coset (x^-1)zN, but y belongs also to the coset yN but the cosets have no element in common so itust be xy = z
@don611
@don611 11 ай бұрын
@@ilguerrierodragone129 yes thank you. Sometimes I have difficulty explaining
@don611
@don611 11 ай бұрын
Or thinking straight haha
@carlsagan9808
@carlsagan9808 10 ай бұрын
These videos are so helpful it's unreal
@ajsdoa6282
@ajsdoa6282 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Had to watch in 0.5x the speed to hang on, but very helpful! :)
@sujoydey8359
@sujoydey8359 4 жыл бұрын
Too good explanation which covers most important part of normal subgroup. U are truly a good teacher.
@sarthakkrishna1737
@sarthakkrishna1737 3 жыл бұрын
So well explained!!!! Thank you! I have an exam tomorrow. I have now more confidence than apprehension XD
@MayankGoel447
@MayankGoel447 2 жыл бұрын
Great lecture by the way! But I didn't understand why proving (xN)(yN)=xyN is sufficient to show the cosets form a Group? Edit: After couple of days of thinking and researching. I found that we make an assumption that (xN)(yN)=(xy)N. We can show that if (xN)(yN)=(zN) where z=xy, then the cosets form a group, it is clear the definition you multiply one coset by another coset and you get some another coset. The complete proof of proving it is a group is well described in the video. If (xN)(yN)=(xy)N is true for non-abelian group, then while proving LHS=RHS we have to make an assumption yN=Ny. If yN=Ny is true for all y, we say that the subgroup N is normal. Or we can rephrase it by multiplying by right inverse of y to both sides. yNy^-1=N. Therefore, Normal subgroup implies cosets form a group and vice versa.
@KushG420
@KushG420 Жыл бұрын
but i have a more fundamental problem, I don;t understand what does the statement _ xN combined with yN = (xy)N even mean where the hell did the set xyN came from
@ramumaha2779
@ramumaha2779 3 жыл бұрын
took me watching it twice to understand perfectly(have to oil my brain)....awesome to the point explanation.
@Socratica
@Socratica 3 жыл бұрын
This is our favourite thing about KZbin compared to classes - you can just rewatch! Thanks for sticking it out with us! 💜🦉
@njahnavi7943
@njahnavi7943 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton !!! Explained with such clarity. It was to the point , excellent explanation.❤️
@sudarshann7194
@sudarshann7194 2 жыл бұрын
Is it nityananda who's in your profile?? 🤔
@Adam-r2n
@Adam-r2n 11 ай бұрын
@@sudarshann7194 eh ktir excellent
@shacharh5470
@shacharh5470 5 жыл бұрын
S(3) is isomorphic to D(3) the dihedral group of 6 elements so the normal subgroup would be the rotations or the subgroup generated by a 3-cycle.
@Nand0san35
@Nand0san35 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree, and it is easy if you see that all inverses out of rotation subgroup are itself. f1*g1*f1=g1
@ashmytom8927
@ashmytom8927 3 ай бұрын
You have made things simple!....Thankyou
@KeystoneScience
@KeystoneScience 5 жыл бұрын
just in time for finals ;)
@Socratica
@Socratica 5 жыл бұрын
Hooray! That's what we were hoping. :D Good luck!!
@CreolLanguag
@CreolLanguag 4 жыл бұрын
@@Socratica i have a question: since y^-1(N)y = N, if we multiply both sides by y in their left. y[y^-1(N)y] = yN Ny = yN so does this mean that cosets form a group only if left cosets is the same as their right cosets? is this always the case?
@haroonahmad1850
@haroonahmad1850 4 жыл бұрын
@@CreolLanguag good question. What's the answer of this question? Did you get it?
@jamaluddin9158
@jamaluddin9158 4 жыл бұрын
@@CreolLanguag Yes that is correct!
@rekarlopunzalan
@rekarlopunzalan 3 жыл бұрын
Watching this during finals
@halilibrahimcetin9448
@halilibrahimcetin9448 4 жыл бұрын
Happiness is nothing but understanding stg properly. These vids series are fuckin' awesome.
@quahntasy
@quahntasy 5 жыл бұрын
This was explained very amazingly. Thanks for this :)
@RobotProctor
@RobotProctor 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I could upvote this video 100 times.
@finn5571
@finn5571 4 жыл бұрын
So how would one prove the second part of the statement at 7:27? I proved it by showing the first part, and then showing that the two have to have the same order and no duplicates. I'm not sure if this is the right approach though.
@ubersham
@ubersham 2 жыл бұрын
Where were you in 2016 when I was taking Abstract Algebra??? 😝 Love the series. I’ll be going through each one several times until I understand your proofs and can duplicate them (again?).
@sutanuhait3283
@sutanuhait3283 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent work. Students are recommended to watch this video. It will help to motivate you properly.
@turokg1578
@turokg1578 Жыл бұрын
bro this video is amazing. i was like wtf is this quotient groups and cosets reading dummit&foote. came here and its all clear now. can continue reading. thanks
@syamalchattopadhyay2893
@syamalchattopadhyay2893 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video lecture. This video lecture is very helpful for self-study.
@souravsingh3025
@souravsingh3025 5 жыл бұрын
Great explaination love it , makes the topic fun 💝💝
@ijyoyo
@ijyoyo 2 жыл бұрын
WOW, so nice and easier to understand. Beats the textbook 100%.
@pubudunuwan1751
@pubudunuwan1751 3 жыл бұрын
your all videos are very descriptive .it helps to solve many troubles .i wish to do more and more videos. thank you
@knok16
@knok16 4 жыл бұрын
I think reasoning on 6:12 lack some crucial point: You can use any element from gN coset to generate gN coset, i.e. if h in gN coset then gN=hN. (and looks like it is not a property but rather a definition of these equivalence classes(cosets): "the set G/N is defined as the set of equivalence classes where two elements g,h are considered equivalent if the cosets gN and hN are the same" brilliant.org/wiki/quotient-group/) That's why we can use xyN coset on the right instead of generic zN coset (since x in xN and y in yN: zN should contains xy element to respect definition given at 4:19, and then xy can be used to generate zN coset which means zN=(xy)N)
@RobotProctor
@RobotProctor 4 жыл бұрын
I think N={123,231,312} is a normal subgroup (rotations of the dihedral group). 123 is e. The 3 possible elements to form cosets with are the flips from the dihedral group, which are their own inverses. So y*N*y^-1 will involve a flip, rotation, and a flip again which will result in a simple rotation. Since this is a rotation it's in N.
@iwantaoctosteponmyneckbut3545
@iwantaoctosteponmyneckbut3545 2 жыл бұрын
Not really, but you have the right idea by focusing on 3-cycles (i.e. permutations whose cycle decompositions have 3 numbers in them). If N is a subgroup of S3, we know it uses the group operation of S3, function composition, which I'm writing as "*". (1 2 3) can't be the identity for N because (1 2 3)*(2 3 1) = (1 3 2) =/= (2 3 1). N needs the identity element from S3, which is just (). Also, the (2 3 1) and (3 1 2) in your N are the same permutation In reality, N = {(), (1 2 3), (1 3 2)}. You have () as your identity, and the other two permutations act as inverses of each other. Associativity and closure are pretty obvious too, so this N is a group, and thus a subgroup of S3
@huttarl
@huttarl Жыл бұрын
@@iwantaoctosteponmyneckbut3545 Where did you get (1 2 3)*(2 3 1) = (1 3 2)? By my figuring, John C is right that (1 2 3)*(2 3 1) = (2 3 1). (1 2 3) is indeed the identity element. Maybe you're using cycle notation? whereas John is using one-line notation.
@user_sense
@user_sense Жыл бұрын
@@iwantaoctosteponmyneckbut3545 you just defined the same thing as jonny but with cycles, and unless i missed something, none of you gave a proper proof, (but jonny did explain why it is indeed a normal subgroup)
@physicslover9227
@physicslover9227 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot this videos series is very useful. It explains everything in a very simple way🙂🙏🏻🙏🏻.
@nilotpalsharma1526
@nilotpalsharma1526 4 жыл бұрын
Great lecture! Thank you so much for presenting Abstract Algebra so eloquently. But I do not seem to understand one tiny bit. Why are Quotient Groups not a Subgroup? They seem to contain all the elements of G, in this case, all the integers Z. Which elements are missing in G/N?
@AalapShah12297
@AalapShah12297 4 жыл бұрын
It's because the addition/multiplication operation is now different. And the elements of the quotient group are the cosets of the original group, not single elements. For example, Z/5Z is not a subgroup of Z in the traditional sense. In the original group, 3+3=6 while in the quotient group, 3'+3'=1' (note that these are congruence classes, not numbers, so while 6 is an element in 1', it is not equal to it). On the other hand, 5Z is clearly a subgroup of Z. It's just a matter of strictly following the definition of a subgroup.
@andeslam7370
@andeslam7370 2 жыл бұрын
Just a recap to what @Aalap Shah has said, Quotient group is a set of subsets of the group. To be a subset of the group, a set should contains some of its elements or being empty. Therefore, quotient group is not a subset and by extension, not a subgroup
@SpiritVector
@SpiritVector 4 жыл бұрын
Simple groups are the primes of group theory.
@rosaaanaaa
@rosaaanaaa 2 жыл бұрын
studying for my math classes is enjoyable with Socratica
@exx8eran
@exx8eran 3 жыл бұрын
wow you took such a complicated subject and make it so simple.
@192ali1
@192ali1 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Excellent presentation.
@moularaoul643
@moularaoul643 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!
@maulikjain3894
@maulikjain3894 2 жыл бұрын
one can listen this forever/..
@cameronspalding9792
@cameronspalding9792 4 жыл бұрын
@11:03 the set {I, (123), (132)} is a subgroup of S3
@briancannard7335
@briancannard7335 4 жыл бұрын
It's great how you show the truth of mathematicians. They love to multiply elements and cosets in the same statement jumping between levels of abstraction.
@briancannard7335
@briancannard7335 4 жыл бұрын
Why care that cosets form a group?
@briancannard7335
@briancannard7335 4 жыл бұрын
Mathematicians need to invent a disclaimer about generalization levels, and attach it to all concepts created. Each time I see a "Factor Group" now or a "Quotient Group" I'll think about, ah... it's a group of cosets, not of elements! Thank you @Socratica!
@ishikasharma1000
@ishikasharma1000 3 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful, I can now clearly visualise these concepts 😍🙌. Your videos are amazing, Thankyou Socratica✨
@ronycb7168
@ronycb7168 Жыл бұрын
Indian here really enjoying this series happy republic day guys
@homiramanuj
@homiramanuj Жыл бұрын
In Motivating Example, How do we get remainder 1 if we divide -14, -9, -4 etc. by 5? Please reply i am so confused 😢 integer mod 5 is confusing me
@theboombody
@theboombody Ай бұрын
This video was very handy for me.
@raymondblake5765
@raymondblake5765 4 жыл бұрын
At 6:22 the video says that for the cosets to act like a group x*y should be in the product of xN *yN. What property of a group makes this so and why? There must be something I'm missing...
@mike11022
@mike11022 4 жыл бұрын
so that the product of two cosets is well defined. it's not a property of group, it's a necessary condition for the product of cosets to be well defined.
@sergiomanzetti1021
@sergiomanzetti1021 2 жыл бұрын
Good work. A minor comment; at 0.55 you say "multiples of 5, positive and negative" but it seems to me as additives of 5, positives and negatives,.
@cameronspalding9792
@cameronspalding9792 3 жыл бұрын
@10:45 if you find the factors associated with the composition series: is it possible to then reconstruct the group after factoring it
@gn3166
@gn3166 29 күн бұрын
Where does the (xN)(yN) = xyN come from for the cosets to form a group? Can we use any other operations to form a group with cosets?
@youtuber_nr3504
@youtuber_nr3504 4 жыл бұрын
Why do x^{-1} and y^{-1} exist at 6:55? Cosets do not have inverse elements in general, do they?
@sinisternightcore3489
@sinisternightcore3489 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm... Both x and y are contained in G, so they must have inverses.
@mohammadamanalimyzada8332
@mohammadamanalimyzada8332 3 жыл бұрын
thank u i love the way u teach. I didnt understand my professor but here go everything I needed any videos on Mathematical Analysis?
@homiramanuj
@homiramanuj Жыл бұрын
In Motivating Example, How do we get remainder 1 if we divide -14, -9, -4 etc. by 5? Please reply i am so confused 😢 integer mod 5 is confusing me
@tulsisheth5825
@tulsisheth5825 Жыл бұрын
When you divide -14 by 5 then reminder is 1. By division algorithm: a = bq+ r; 0
@sinisternightcore3489
@sinisternightcore3489 4 жыл бұрын
My solution for the exercise. Would like to confirm: I found 4 subgroups, 1 of order 3 and 3 of order 2. Only the one with 3 elements is a normal subgroup.
@valeriobertoncello1809
@valeriobertoncello1809 4 жыл бұрын
I think you're right, because noone of the order 2 subgroups can be treated as the neutral element of a quotient group.
@cuneytkaymak4997
@cuneytkaymak4997 11 ай бұрын
5:32 the music starting here is so beautiful, i cannot focus on the video :)) , i just close my eyes and listen the music, it is so relaxing, anyone knows what that song is?
@murielfang755
@murielfang755 2 жыл бұрын
So so great. So well delivered.
@lokeshwarreddy2549
@lokeshwarreddy2549 5 жыл бұрын
Can u explain coset multiplication briefly
@sigmatechie9528
@sigmatechie9528 5 жыл бұрын
I am eagerly waiting for Real numbers, Complex Numbers, Probability , Number Theory etc
@bryanchambers1964
@bryanchambers1964 5 жыл бұрын
Coursera has a good courses on Complex analysis, and some probability courses too, oh yeah and one on Galois Theory but that one will be very very hard because its taught by a Russian lady. For other courses you can look on MIT open courses, maybe you will find something.
@ctrlsys-exe
@ctrlsys-exe 5 жыл бұрын
Such a beautiful topic
@b43xoit
@b43xoit 5 жыл бұрын
Where did the series introduce symmetric groups, and particularly S sub 3?
@LucaMolari
@LucaMolari 5 жыл бұрын
This one? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZKxlnaNh8-bbqs
@ingun37
@ingun37 4 жыл бұрын
What does “product of coset” means at 6:12 ? like cartesian product? but instead of pairs (x,y) you use x*y?
@mike11022
@mike11022 4 жыл бұрын
No, it's the group operation in the quotient group (the elements are the cosets, the identity is the normal subgroup). At 6:12, we show that this product of cosets are well defined because product (group operation of the original group) of any elements of two cosets belong to the same third coset. Then next it's trivial to show that the cosets under this operation form a group, i.e. the quotient group.
@genie365
@genie365 5 жыл бұрын
Abstract Algebra is so difficult :\ I hope this math minor is worth the work lol
@navjotsingh2251
@navjotsingh2251 4 жыл бұрын
I know its difficult but its motivating to see it in action. See on google how groups are used in cryptography and quantum physics. I find applications to make it more interesting and easy to remember concepts.
@Len314159
@Len314159 4 жыл бұрын
This is actually the easy part of Abstract Algebra .... ha-ha, just kidding
@xyzct
@xyzct 3 жыл бұрын
What's great is that your math minor will make the rest of life seem rather easy.
@guiorasokolovsky2783
@guiorasokolovsky2783 2 жыл бұрын
PLEASE show us how Gauss proved the possibility to construct a 17 sides regular polygon
@eminentlostcity1754
@eminentlostcity1754 8 ай бұрын
I'm a university student from India and here teachers don't teach basics because most of the students here are really good at studies....so this is really helpful for weak students like me.... I'm trying my best
@hemanthkumartirupati
@hemanthkumartirupati 5 жыл бұрын
Do you plan to teach vector spaces in future? Your videos are incredibly helpful btw :) Thanks a lot
@okoyoso
@okoyoso 5 жыл бұрын
They have a video on it from three years ago.
@niloufarashayeri704
@niloufarashayeri704 4 жыл бұрын
I understood this so much better than Fraleigh's book. Thank you :)
@estebanvasquez-giraldo5770
@estebanvasquez-giraldo5770 4 жыл бұрын
Why is it that in 6:05, for the cosets to act like a group, x*y must be in (xN)(yN). I appreciate any help, thanks beforehand!
@primaljeroen2405
@primaljeroen2405 4 жыл бұрын
Idk if you still need it, but any group is closed under its operation.
@primaljeroen2405
@primaljeroen2405 4 жыл бұрын
@Hamza Zaidi I'm not sure if I know what you're asking me but I'll try to explain something. First try to understand that we're proving that the cosets act like a group. One property of groups is closure under its operation. To prove this, we must show that (xN)*(yN) is still a coset in which * is a random operation. I dont necessarily think multiplication is the only operation you can use here but I could be wrong about that. If you're confused about the notation (xN)(yN): this isn't necessarily multiplication, it's just an arbitrary operation noted this way because math is lazy. Hope this helped
@primaljeroen2405
@primaljeroen2405 4 жыл бұрын
@Hamza Zaidi yes
@LuizaDreamsDeutsch
@LuizaDreamsDeutsch 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the explanation!
@datadecides
@datadecides 4 жыл бұрын
I don't get it what is she talking but she talks very good
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