NORTH CAROLINA'S BADDEST SPECTATOR DRAG RACING ENDS WITH A BIG CRASH!!! 336 MEETS APRIL 2024

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TBERG MEDIA

TBERG MEDIA

Күн бұрын

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@dlcarburetor
@dlcarburetor 8 ай бұрын
Omg, someone next time needs to tell that guy how to flag. The uneven starts throughout this race caused so many uneven matches.
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
It’s more laidback, they typically have someone volunteer to flag I believe so it’s not a prepped official.
@Willis-de5hx
@Willis-de5hx 8 ай бұрын
Still should be fired ​@@TBERGMEDIA
@Carbonneutraldrop
@Carbonneutraldrop 8 ай бұрын
Dude in the beemer took full advantage! Chase is a race I guess!!
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
@@CarbonneutraldropI kept saying he was jumping! Vette cart shoved the door on him to set him straight! 👀🤣
@shrapnut7612
@shrapnut7612 7 ай бұрын
I think he was afraid to get it front of the cars. Hey, that’s ok, it’s probably kinda hairy. I think some guys just took advantage of it. He did a good job.
@franklast7955
@franklast7955 8 ай бұрын
Mustang doing mustang stuff
@hhaste
@hhaste 8 ай бұрын
Perfect side by side example of why you don't let off when the rear end kicks out..
@brianspangler3771
@brianspangler3771 8 ай бұрын
​@91C4NVA Factory mustang suspension setups are not the best. That is a factor. But when you combine that with an inexperienced driver it doesn't end well in a situation like this. Instead of panicking and letting off the gas, he should've just stayed calm and drove through it.
@brianspangler3771
@brianspangler3771 8 ай бұрын
​@@hhasteExactly. Letting off the gas allows the rear tires to hook and whichever way you have the wheel turned that's where the car is going.
@blueheelerfriend8450
@blueheelerfriend8450 8 ай бұрын
Yep😂.. not laughing at the crash but the mustang guy stuff is dead on the money.
@spankthemonkey3437
@spankthemonkey3437 8 ай бұрын
He went to see a man about a horse
@jimmyray914
@jimmyray914 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much Sam Tully, former Seekonk Speedway Announcer for coming out. Seemed like old times at Seekonk.
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
Rightt!?? Added the perfect familiar touch to the racing that was missing the event prior.
@Sloshadow5o
@Sloshadow5o 8 ай бұрын
@@TBERGMEDIA it really did 🫶
@spectatordraghub
@spectatordraghub 8 ай бұрын
Those who support & participate in the sport are who continue to drive it. 🙏🏁
@mikebrown8065
@mikebrown8065 8 ай бұрын
TBERG MEDIA!!! Great footage (as usual)!! Damn, hate to see anyone wreck. That was a close one for Charlie too, almost got the tail end of the Blazer! Glad to see everyone is OK 🙏🏻. Looking forward to the next video brother 👍 😎🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
@URsooomad8613
@URsooomad8613 8 ай бұрын
Props to the guys that sprinted out to help after the Mustang crash, they were to his car within 3 seconds
@dannyv2335
@dannyv2335 8 ай бұрын
He mustanged
@spankthemonkey3437
@spankthemonkey3437 8 ай бұрын
He went to the glue factory🤣
@weighit
@weighit 8 ай бұрын
The flag man needs some training in where to stand to allow each driver a clear view of the starting flag....otherwise looks like a blast to be there in the stand s
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
It is a blast and just getting started! Flag guy is pretty much volunteering so it’s more laid back, outside group (336 meets) from the track hosting the events!
@adrianleon1731
@adrianleon1731 8 ай бұрын
That Audi was mental
@electricman1405
@electricman1405 8 ай бұрын
Thank you Tberge for a spectacular opening video of spectacular drags.
@harleywainscott6059
@harleywainscott6059 8 ай бұрын
That gray mustang played with the Honda a little too much haha
@TTANA
@TTANA 8 ай бұрын
I am really surprised they let passengers in with these cars racing.
@DCDLaserCNC
@DCDLaserCNC 7 ай бұрын
The mustang driver against the civic had a major rectal cranial inversion!
@DJRoyalEdo
@DJRoyalEdo 4 ай бұрын
That had to be the most embarrassing race I’ve seen
@KurtCityzens
@KurtCityzens 7 ай бұрын
thank you for video bro 🙏🏼🤘🏿🔥
@wakeupamericaandresist2413
@wakeupamericaandresist2413 8 ай бұрын
AWESOME, thanks so much for sharing ✌🏽✌🏽✌🏼✌🏼✌️✌️☮️
@jamusloos2859
@jamusloos2859 8 ай бұрын
That flag drop method instead of a tree is really messing with launches
@michaeleaster1815
@michaeleaster1815 8 ай бұрын
jump to 29:50 for the action... looks like he just over-corrected after breaking loose?
@VaunShiz
@VaunShiz 8 ай бұрын
You'd be right , you can see his hands especially in the slow mo , that panic over correction got him
@mstover2809
@mstover2809 7 ай бұрын
Now let's see how he explains THIS to his Insurance Company!
@harleywainscott6059
@harleywainscott6059 8 ай бұрын
Bummer, but I guess it's better for a car like that to go out on a racetrack rather than some random accident on the street. Great race too!
@meineke1875
@meineke1875 Ай бұрын
Awesome! Been looking for spectator drag events in NC. Are there any plans in the works for future events in NC? Got a turbocharged mach 1 I need to unleash
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA Ай бұрын
@@meineke1875 Sweet, glad you found the video! Checkout @ 336meets on Instagram, they’ll be posting future events! 👊🏁
@Heres_Johnnny
@Heres_Johnnny 6 ай бұрын
that blazer is awesome
@DezGamingTTV
@DezGamingTTV 5 ай бұрын
He is banned at a lot of tracks from looks of it for racing dirty. Has a real bad habit of break checking people that are legitimately about to overtake him.
@Heres_Johnnny
@Heres_Johnnny 5 ай бұрын
@@DezGamingTTV yeah it's driver error. But gotta admit that blazer is impressive
@scottbeaulieu13
@scottbeaulieu13 3 ай бұрын
@@DezGamingTTVwonder if he’ll be let back to Seekonk after Saturday 👀
@aidanbertram2056
@aidanbertram2056 8 ай бұрын
336 meets litttttttt
@IzzyTheEditor
@IzzyTheEditor 8 ай бұрын
York, PA represent! 🤘
@barryadams68
@barryadams68 8 ай бұрын
Hello, is this Jake from State Farm?
@hadrianwall9157
@hadrianwall9157 8 ай бұрын
6:49 Dude didn't let that green flag fall even an INCH !!
@user-do3sk8xx9v
@user-do3sk8xx9v 8 ай бұрын
thanks for share this race very nice
@lilibethdoherty295
@lilibethdoherty295 8 ай бұрын
It could have been worse if they were side by side it would have been Two Mangled Race Cars !
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
100%
@spankthemonkey3437
@spankthemonkey3437 8 ай бұрын
Lucky the blazer had a little more power to pull ahead
@spankthemonkey3437
@spankthemonkey3437 8 ай бұрын
​@@TBERGMEDIAI have to say that was the best race though he wrecked
@lilibethdoherty295
@lilibethdoherty295 8 ай бұрын
@@spankthemonkey3437 That Blazer has to have 500+ HP I wonder if he uses race gas ?
@Sloshadow5o
@Sloshadow5o 8 ай бұрын
@lilibethdoherty295 theres of the romours of it does
@ShinyKnife
@ShinyKnife 8 ай бұрын
I live like 30 minutes from the track. I haven’t heard or seen anything promoting street drags. I’m definitely going to the may 25th event.
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
Awesome, checkout 336 Meets on social media! Also 336meets.com for all event info! 🏁
@82_KID
@82_KID 7 ай бұрын
Spectator drags in NC? I want in.. Where and when?
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 7 ай бұрын
Checkout 336meets.com for schedule, also follow 336meets on Instagram for updates! 👊🏁
@82_KID
@82_KID 7 ай бұрын
@@TBERGMEDIA I will do that!!! 😃
@82_KID
@82_KID 7 ай бұрын
It would be the white Subaru 82 KID :D
@82_KID
@82_KID 7 ай бұрын
​@@TBERGMEDIAHey man I AM RACING TO GET THERE RIGHT NOW 7:17PM JUST GASSED UP 93 IF I DO 90 I CANBE THERE A LITTLE AFTER 8 ILL COMP RACE I DONT EVEN NNOW WGAT THAT IS BUT IM COMING .JUST REALIZED TGAT WAS TONIGHT
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 7 ай бұрын
@@82_KID sweet good luck have some fun, comp starts at 8:30pm! 👊🏁
@Spyke-lz2hl
@Spyke-lz2hl 4 ай бұрын
That was some wheeling by the freaking blazer. Really nice driving!
@Dillon1791
@Dillon1791 4 ай бұрын
Do you always film these events in NC? I need a reliable channel to watch.
@lespaulr6
@lespaulr6 8 ай бұрын
Charlie should get the win !!!
@Goff968
@Goff968 8 ай бұрын
idk...I saw some reels with him against the C6Z and the C6Z won, must've been filmed separate
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
Still were 2 other drivers left in the competition with the vettes!
@Carbonneutraldrop
@Carbonneutraldrop 8 ай бұрын
Nine minutes in and it looks like a Hyundai commercial😂😂😂
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
lolol
@nickclashez
@nickclashez 4 ай бұрын
You can’t underestimate Hyundai especially on a small track like that the some of the one racing had the little 1.6t
@zoggrog8823
@zoggrog8823 5 ай бұрын
Mustangs drivers... the same everywhere. Watching them be humbled by economy car warms my heart.
@Jerrand
@Jerrand 7 ай бұрын
Wasn't the idea of a spectator drag people bringing their daily cars? The guy brings a purposely built S10 and a full race setup corvette... why would they be allowed to race with the regular cars? I've been seeing a lot of these purposely built spectator drag cars just completely annihilate the field and get the money prize! I think they should limit what can be done to the cars or do a class division. To be fair to the regular folks that just want to run their mostly stock cars! Anyways, the race corvette and S10 are awesome!
@georgeoutthebox6245
@georgeoutthebox6245 5 ай бұрын
The s10 is good..I just laugh because he definitely races..literally the only spectator who is 100percent a race truck...I bet he runs staggered wheels to go with his roof earo lexan, third link, quick change rear end, and wonder why he cleans house...it's a race truck with a stock body...bet he even runs coil overs and all. But if the officials allow it...then why ain't no one else caught on or done the same...take a good look at that thing and take notes and even the field yourselves.
@georgeoutthebox6245
@georgeoutthebox6245 5 ай бұрын
And I'm not trying to throw hate his way...I mean he is a great wheel, dude can drive..and obviously has an understanding of chassis set up...and truth be told if you are gonna race that's the way to do it...I mean drivers at tracks racing sport 4, up to pro stock get paid garbage compared to the spectator purse I am sure..I used to put for several race teams..I would like to see this as a real division. Run what you bring, hope you bring enough
@crazyblazerguy3773
@crazyblazerguy3773 5 ай бұрын
@@georgeoutthebox6245 spreading a lot of misinformation here bud. How come ? And this race was a perfect and equal matchup. Why spread misinformation for ?
@georgeoutthebox6245
@georgeoutthebox6245 5 ай бұрын
@@crazyblazerguy3773 obviously I'm not in the pit. I don't really know what the set up is..as I said I mean no disrespect. Alot of people in the comments through watching other spectator drags have issues with someone who is obviously prepared for any thing they line up against. I know what aerodynamics on a vehicle look like, I don't see too many people in spectator drags that unload their rigs and set their tire pressures before they hit the track...im not dumb it's a stagger thing. All I am saying is. If people have an issue THEY should take the time to do what they can to set their car up for the track as well...I don't know what the payout is ..but I know the race trucks may get what 500$ for first place? Pro stock may get 800$ to win ..I'm sure spectator has a purse as well. Sure you don't race just for the glory...lol. as I said I'm not trying to throw shade.. brass tack giving credit to someone who obviously is a damn good driver, who has a passion for the sport, comes prepared, amd puts on a show...I also never said I know exactly what's up with the truck..I was just trying to say that no one should be faulted or attacked for being prepared, and being good at what they do. (But no one is gonna tell me that truck is stock) And I know the Camaros and the Tesla, and the Nissan or Toyota race car is stock as well, but the truck is another animal, it's capability is only further enforced by the capable hands behind it.
@crazyblazerguy3773
@crazyblazerguy3773 5 ай бұрын
@@georgeoutthebox6245 the other cars are not stock either. There’s rarely any money involved. Not many rules in place. My truck abides by all the rules. Instead of spreading misinformation you can ask questions. Not trying to be mean just being straight to the point.
@brycestoll
@brycestoll 2 күн бұрын
There arent any tracks near me unfortunately but someday im gonna participate in one of these even if its in a shitbox. Looks like good fun. Edit: also i see the blazer guy in like every video does he race for a living? Or just really like oval/circle tracks?
@dannyhu-f7z
@dannyhu-f7z 7 ай бұрын
why not just use the damn line thats already painted on the ground?
@casper8662
@casper8662 7 ай бұрын
Never seen a mustang look better.
@jamesstone3033
@jamesstone3033 7 ай бұрын
The flagman's got to be the track owner's kid!
@m3clubracer
@m3clubracer 6 ай бұрын
I would have participated and I'm in Charlotte and been looking for one of these events! Will attend the next!
@SDSWrath004
@SDSWrath004 7 ай бұрын
The mustang was just trying to get to the crowd.
@moflyboyblanquito541
@moflyboyblanquito541 3 ай бұрын
What did mustang do wrong? Did he let out of throttle?
@primitivegibberish5915
@primitivegibberish5915 3 ай бұрын
That Corvette with the wing goes hard in turns 3 & 4
@walmartdog1142
@walmartdog1142 5 ай бұрын
Where is this track?? Seekonk North Carolina ??
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 5 ай бұрын
@@walmartdog1142 Caraway Speedway in Sophia, NC! 🏁
@jameshurd7112
@jameshurd7112 4 ай бұрын
The guy that crashed the Mustang how's he going to explain that to his insurance company a deer run out in front of me😂
@SHWELL11
@SHWELL11 3 ай бұрын
How did I miss this video?
@VaunShiz
@VaunShiz 8 ай бұрын
That panic over correction, you can see how much his hands are moving, that sucks cuz it happens so fast
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
Exactly that, especially on a more narrow track there’s only so much time to correct when she snaps back.
@bigalsmallengines
@bigalsmallengines 5 ай бұрын
CHEERS FROM NORTH CAROLINA!!! 🍻
@francisogbonna_
@francisogbonna_ 8 ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@falc1052
@falc1052 7 ай бұрын
what was wrong with the hyundai guy?
@joshthemediocre7824
@joshthemediocre7824 4 ай бұрын
To be clear i have been a Mustang owner since the mid 90's and i have never crashed. It's a driver thing, not a Mustang thing.
@The570Experience
@The570Experience 3 ай бұрын
Mustangs in the 90s had 190hp...mustangs today have more than double that..STOCK....not even a close comparison
@jimmyray914
@jimmyray914 8 ай бұрын
I told you that Audi was a beast.
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
That it is, Ivan is a wheelman! 💪🏁
@Aaron1969.
@Aaron1969. 6 ай бұрын
That Chevrolet blazer is hooked up and you drivers need to not let him bait, you. That’s how you wreck your car.
@toyoracer33
@toyoracer33 8 ай бұрын
Of COURSE it was a Mustang!
@1STGeneral
@1STGeneral 7 ай бұрын
Better look at the small print that tow truck might be part of Cleat and Squirrels tow academy
@Greaseland
@Greaseland 8 ай бұрын
The typical Musting driver
@SchafdoggGTO
@SchafdoggGTO 3 ай бұрын
are there like 8 fans there? seems very quiet and very empty.
@Wigwhom86
@Wigwhom86 3 ай бұрын
whens the next SPECTATOR DRAG ?
@louisadipietro9184
@louisadipietro9184 8 ай бұрын
This track needs to find a new starter.
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
It’s an outside group 336 Meets that hosts the events at the track, more laid back and have a volunteer flag guy not someone who’s experienced with the position.
@milesonewheelwinter
@milesonewheelwinter 3 ай бұрын
As a real race car driver on real tracks. This is incredibly fun for me to watch but I have to question what kind of event allows drivers to set the rules.
@davidforprez
@davidforprez 7 ай бұрын
Man I really thought that Audi was gonna win. Looks like he missed a shift. Fastest car there for sure
@mikeskidmore6754
@mikeskidmore6754 3 ай бұрын
That mustang really tried to take out the Blazer, but he just missed him "woosh nothing but Concrete Wall"
@shrapnut7612
@shrapnut7612 7 ай бұрын
The Mustang, when you try the correct an oversteer on a banked turn, the weight transfers from the right-rear, to the left-front. Then you are launched into the wall.
@ritchiesiepman5511
@ritchiesiepman5511 7 ай бұрын
16:55. It was good sportsmanship from the Mustang driver to "let" the Civic win
@D3M0ify
@D3M0ify 8 ай бұрын
Yeah... last race proves it again, Mustangs have no road holding - crowd killer scrap!
@grabir01
@grabir01 8 ай бұрын
Terrible starter. Then they stop the racing due to a crash? What?
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
Starter was basically a volunteer it’s more laid back with an outside group hosting the events at the track, and competitors agreed to end it with the track getting slippery at night as well not worth the risk.
@iamjaychase1
@iamjaychase1 8 ай бұрын
YESSSSSS❤
@youngyingyang
@youngyingyang 2 ай бұрын
I would like to see a Model S plaid or Model 3 Performance with their instant torque all-wheel drive, low COG... they would crush everyone else!
@JW-rn6qf
@JW-rn6qf 7 ай бұрын
Velositer??? What's that? Lol
@00buck2
@00buck2 4 ай бұрын
Mustang got so much power ,makes them hard to handle.
@JP3_C6Z
@JP3_C6Z 6 ай бұрын
That z06 owner was playing with everyone when he raced lol.
@Sloshadow5o
@Sloshadow5o 8 ай бұрын
Zigged when he should have zagged typical mustang smh
@Martinchvr
@Martinchvr 8 ай бұрын
Hope you fix it
@Sloshadow5o
@Sloshadow5o 8 ай бұрын
@Martinchvr Haha, thank you! Should be back before long
@bofkaycee1970
@bofkaycee1970 7 ай бұрын
Watch out for the s10
@MrAnonymous264
@MrAnonymous264 8 ай бұрын
So they didn’t finish the event because someone crashed? What I’m the….
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
Track was getting slippery at night already, never mind the oil on the track after the crash. You’ve been there I know but competitors agreed to end it and not take the risk.
@MrAnonymous264
@MrAnonymous264 8 ай бұрын
@@TBERGMEDIA slippery? Was it raining or something?
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
⁠@@MrAnonymous264moisture down there as the sun goes down too. Not like our owosso trip lol
@MrAnonymous264
@MrAnonymous264 8 ай бұрын
@@TBERGMEDIA only thing that looked slippery was the 2 drivers pushing their vehicles past their limits. The best racing to do is on a wet track because you learn the most about your car. Spectator drag knowledge just isn’t there yet. Instead… they close the track down. SMH
@TBERGMEDIA
@TBERGMEDIA 8 ай бұрын
@@MrAnonymous264 hear you on that, best I can say is it’s more of a hangout and decisions flow with the people involved so they agreed to cut it. Had it been a caraway speedway event it prob would’ve kept going
@SuperOperator4
@SuperOperator4 7 ай бұрын
Souvenier crew hard at it.
@DJRoyalEdo
@DJRoyalEdo 4 ай бұрын
23:45 fire
@josephstroud-oj6tj
@josephstroud-oj6tj 3 ай бұрын
NEVER GO FULL MUSTANG MODE INFRONT MORE THEN 1 PERSON REMEMBER TWO IS A CROWD
@bluesharp59
@bluesharp59 6 ай бұрын
Thumbs Up !
@jeffreylyons1531
@jeffreylyons1531 3 ай бұрын
Flagged worrying about inches, then failing to actually start the race in any clear way.
@TonicofSonic
@TonicofSonic 3 ай бұрын
The flag guy. 😅 Drivers are expected to launch looking sideways?
@miguelpaneda1607
@miguelpaneda1607 6 ай бұрын
9:30 that skeletoned car😮
@BenCarling-z9l
@BenCarling-z9l 3 ай бұрын
Looks like Mustang guy is gonna have to cook up a good story for his insurance company - glad he is ok
@cjcantrell80
@cjcantrell80 7 ай бұрын
Was this a “run what you brung” or a “sure it’s legal, of course I daily it” type of deals? I’d always rather bring a full fledge race car to a race….
@heinous70
@heinous70 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I can't blame them for calling it a night. At the bare minimum, there's coolant spread across 100 ft of the track. PS fluid, tiny shards of Ford 😂
@tyreksimmons4167
@tyreksimmons4167 4 ай бұрын
that iroc camaro is rapid!
@JamesStanley-u3d
@JamesStanley-u3d Күн бұрын
Hang on… one header into a wall and the night is over?
@adamjdm4132
@adamjdm4132 6 ай бұрын
The flagman was on all the drugs😂😂😂
@zorankp
@zorankp 7 ай бұрын
Mustang must have seen some people on the sideline... Instinct took over..
@heyitsmeaaron8823
@heyitsmeaaron8823 8 ай бұрын
Ayeee
@RecklessPedro
@RecklessPedro 7 ай бұрын
There should be a red light penalty like in real drag racing. A lot of red light jumpers in this one
@syfr
@syfr 6 ай бұрын
15 min of fame cost about $2500 a minute. Way to go, genius!
@timkeller3907
@timkeller3907 7 ай бұрын
Hey mom!... watch me destroy an expensive street car, for a few bucks lol.
@82_KID
@82_KID 7 ай бұрын
I had fun tonight everybody. I just so happen to have had a lot a lot a lot I mean a lot of stuff done to the car this week including brand new tires two brand new axles brand new drive shaft and oil pan reseal at the very least. That's probably why I couldn't break the car loose tonight the tires were too grippy and the parts were just too new . But I really look forward to seeing myself if I make the channel with video some of my performances whatever you want to put in there maybe even all of them you guys are great and I'm about halfway home now but I really look forward to it you guys have a great night thank you so much there is a beautiful full moon tonight as well. May 24th this is the Saturday before memorial Day and there's a car show in Raleigh tomorrow I'll be at that one as well it's at 9500 something or another but there's a dine-in movie 🎥 afterwards as well.
@Trailtested
@Trailtested 3 ай бұрын
Those flag drops 😅
@SHWELL11
@SHWELL11 3 ай бұрын
Shit, I hope no one was injured.
@Beatsreal4
@Beatsreal4 4 ай бұрын
Takes a freaking MUSTANG to ruin the night🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️
@larrywalden626
@larrywalden626 4 ай бұрын
Ouch. Try explaining that accident to your insurance lol
@rolanddeschain965
@rolanddeschain965 6 ай бұрын
Nothing says spectator racing like a giant wing and race livery😅
@bobhenry6159
@bobhenry6159 7 ай бұрын
30:12 YAY! I almost won $100!!!
@ungerspretoria8280
@ungerspretoria8280 6 ай бұрын
That crash is going to cost him....insurance will not pay out, and by the looks of it, that will not be cheap to repair, the car might well be written off at this point, as body twist most probably occured.
@orlandoquirante2157
@orlandoquirante2157 7 ай бұрын
That's what happened when you excelerate more power when the tire not go straight
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