Northernlion on the Drops of Jupiter Discourse

[@pnak0tic]

"People used to tweet like they talk, now they talk like they tweet" My man is spitting bars

[@CozyTressi]

How is he just Larry David?

[@nephilesi]

READ BAUDRILLARD

[@neon9999]

I had to pause at this moment to just wonder how the hell his brain works that he can come up with such genius perfectly worded sentences off the top of his head. We're not worthy.

[@karlvalteroja4675]

Sounds like some Kongos lyrics lmao

[@MrSmoople]

NL: "the songs that were overplayed on the radio when i was 15 are the worst songs ever" chat: "no, those songs are great, but the songs that were overplayed on the radio when we were 15 are the worst songs ever"

[@meowsicle7463]

"Hey Soul Sister is subtly malevolent" is the kind of take i love to see

[@idontwantahandlethough]

look up Pat Finnerty's series called "What makes this song stink?, he's a great musician and he's got a whole video desconstrucitng EXACTLY why "Hey Soul Sister" is an objectively terrible song. I think you'd like it :)

[@Mad___Hatter]

"im not taking a shot at babymetal, they got real shooters" He's not wrong. Their fans both publicly enjoy metal and cutesy idol music, those people have nothing to lose.

[@PisserFartShitt]

Yeah cus it goes so fucking hard

[@LoachAo]

And are canonically the most violent and driven fans like ever, leaning heavy on the idol fandom but metalheads pull up too

[@brodiesaltsman2842]

Bro "I just listened to "Hey soul sister" and don't think it's that bad" "This is whats wrong with society"

[@spiritkid9109]

Dude is a pile of ash after that burn

[@devasauruswrex6251]

honestly hard agree

[@mc-ps-playa5569]

Not seeing the problem here

[@picklesrock23]

End song is NL singing drops of Jupiter 😭 librarian is on it

[@scragglie]

yeayeayeeeyyeyeyeyaaaeyyyeaaa

[@thomasprovitt1806]

Poetic

[@Miggly]

His version clears

[@narcoleptic_owl]

​​@@Miggly NL put more spirit in the parody just by default.

[@danieldosso2455]

It's obviously a bit, that's why it's called bits and banter

[@SuperLegendOfBros]

NL saying no disrespect after ethering a chatter he saw in the shuffle of 7tv emotes has gotta be one of my favorite things.

[@momslammer6990]

I WALKED TRAIN UP ON STAGE IN 2024, WHO TF ARE YOU!

[@elizulie]

you SUCK. NO TALENT

[@ezg1272]

A REAL SOUL SISTER RESPECTS THE SILENCE!

[@MaxwellKasper]

+2 Holy

[@ultimateo621]

YOU’RE FLAT

[@ultimateo621]

Greetings, momslammer6990 I’m going to shamelessly steal this and post it in twitch chat 3-5 times because it’s a good enough bit that I feel I might get engagement from NL which will give me a dopamine rush. Thank you, Ultimateo

[@SeveralGhost]

The 2010s mistake of featuring ukuleles, whistling, and "hey hey hey" in almost every song, and the baffling consumer decision to push them all to top 40, only to become stock music for youtube midroll ads

[@Ergoperidot]

Probably why it became stock music for youtube midroll ads tbh

[@CorpusFisty]

Ends the first verse with a sappy declaration about “tonight”

[@wmidler]

foot stomping and hand clapping as well

[@gamingsuperun]

Remember when they decided every pop song needed a faux-dubstep breakdown that NEVER went hard

[@GEM4sta]

Guy who hates good pop music

[@speedstyle.]

"You know what, I'm rescinding that, I'm replying to your message with a middle finger" got me this time. Opinion doesn't matter if the delivery goes that hard

[@san_scan9060]

"the song an eight year old thinks plays in your head when you die" good god

[@charlie-wf3bn]

"we already discussed that" 1:40 into a 17 minute video. lets go nobody does it better

[@wumbojet]

Bro has nothing to say and a lot to say at the same time, call that doublethink

[@thinkythinkypanic882]

hey there delilah bangs because i heard it for the first time when i was in 5th grade

[@sscswimmer1]

Bro when they went on iCarly and we all wanted them to just play the song but instead they plugged their new song that was ass. I think that's when I became the joker

[@ProgressiveRock1970s]

LOL I forgot about that

[@lesternomo6578]

nuclear level nostalgia for that song

[@OvertlyEsoteric]

it came out when I was in 8th grade, which is why I hate it

[@michelleb2722]

+2

[@xdelbarrio]

“We use to tweet like we talk, now we talk like we tweet” This man is a modern day plato, its insane

[@daveclarke1990]

Balatro streams really do need the blood of the chatters hey

[@TheLibraryofLetourneau]

yesterday's stream was very reminiscent of SAP. he was just doing mindless runs while bantering, it was glorious

[@rickastley7522]

The docket always needs 1 autopilot game to allow for this kind of discourse. Reminds me of the old Isaac rants. I still refer to Kanye as an urban poet and philosopher.

[@Matidosh]

And now he's back from the cruise vacation Bracing himself for the audit temptation na na na na He does the dles while he praises costco Reminds me there's always room to throw na na na na

[@BrownEyedPrincess1]

+2

[@86pp73]

+2

[@visceralx]

HOLY +2

[@opossumboyo]

Tell me, where are your actual human sons? Did you ride the pelaton today, get a diet coke for drinkin’ These plays got me peepothinkin’ And tell me, did you see the post about the man Hearing songs that he can’t stand, and tell me did you agree Librarian, pull up the tweet for me

[@Phoenix0F8]

@@opossumboyo yeah yeah yeah na na na na, na na na na na na, na na na na na na, na na yeah singing like na na na na na, na na na na na, na na na na na yeah Tell me, did the pog sweep you off your gourd? Did the SAP finally make you bored, Well so will Balatro, one day But tell me, why did straight Joe Biden say he was gay? What was with the tweet that said to stay pegged? I'm just glad for another day, another day of watching the Egg na na na na na, na na na na na...

[@zacharymacaroni7649]

him calling the lazy song a deep cut b side is crazy

[@zacharymacaroni7649]

2.7 billion views in youtube LMAO

[@gamingsuperun]

Was the song that made him blow up no?

[@GEM4sta]

​@@gamingsuperunno, he had nutting on you, grenade and billionaire before in that order I believe

[@ReverendCleve]

Yea, I clearly remember hearing that song on the radio.

[@zeltzamer4010]

That song came on the car radio like an hour after I read this comment and I blame you for those three minutes and twenty seconds.

[@Dino_Valentino]

Live, Laugh, Librarian

[@konialli8784]

to the guy who said "Merzbow POG" when nl was making noise, I'm with you, brother

[@trisckit]

the outro being NL singing his parody of Tears of Jupiter is *chef's kiss*

[@Szanth]

Librarian spoils us with quality

[@ytjho]

Is it a coincidence that librarian ended the video when one of those smudged card suits appeared on screen?

[@NayaM0]

Ok there's no way this dude listens to the radio. The Lazy Song has been playing everyday on every station for the past 15 years.

[@VerbalLearning]

Tune in to NL's stream next week when Twitch Drops of Jupiter will be enabled.

[@kingcrimson4133]

The quip about Hey Soul Sister being an eight year old's idea of a song you hear when you die made me cackle and I don't even cackle.

[@theBigBeepo]

He went off in this one +4

[@ihatezombies1455]

listening to NL talk about hating "Hey Soul Sister" because it was designed with no soul in a lab after coming from a video where NL says he likes kpop because it seems like it was designed in a lab to be a pop song is crazy.

[@filedotnix]

there's "made in a lab to be perfect" and "made in a lab to be perfectly average"

[@ihatezombies1455]

@@filedotnix nah being made in a lab has nothing to do with how good something is, it's describing a different feeling altogether

[@legorovers9838]

alot of the kpop that feels like that at least to me is dogshit. but as long as it feels like its tapping into interesting aesthetics and not just trying to capitalize off of a culture or a fandom even if its kinda bland and was made by people writing about stuff they know nothing about, if theres talent behind its still good to me at least

[@gungy_vt]

I never realized Hey Soul Sister and Drops of Jupiter were the same band because I heard one in high school and the other in elementary school, but after seeing the thumbnails on youtube for each song, I'm losing my mind at how obvious it would've been had I had any inclination to ever look up either song ever again.

[@Nemrod0118]

I’m not sure I’ve ever commented on a KZbin video but the LCD Soundsystem bit is an all-timer

[@SuperRainbol]

I hate how after we finally stop seeing losers say "first" every video they started with the "hur dur 0 views you fell off" bullshit

[@lirimiri7034]

Just take it as a sign that the library is now sucessfull enough to attract all kinds of viewers :)

[@TemmiePlays]

it's just a KZbin comment meta 🤷🏻‍♀️ Like ppl who insist on correcting grammar, but only when it's in favor of an argument. Otherwise " it's just the Internet " just let it slide

[@blahblah94897]

its bots, faake internet theory and stuff

[@PepperoniPapaya]

almost as bad as he's bald?? reddit cringe

[@Chelaxim]

People have been saying "first" for almost 20 years...so don't expect to stop seeing "you fell off" anytime soon.

[@mantidream8179]

It's an all-out assault on chat and we love to see it folks

[@MrPrettyInPinkTV]

He was right not to mess with baby metal they do got shooters and we’re everywhere

[@jessechuff]

Dicktort is absolutely destroying me.

[@sscswimmer1]

The hell did you call me?

[@countvondutchessofwestmoor3974]

you have to admire his resolve - a younger northernlion would've succumbed to the flood of WORD WRONG

[@BlueCrashFigurineHoldingWumpa]

Younger nl would've saved it for the next week​@@countvondutchessofwestmoor3974

[@Rasamune]

dicktort the discase

[@Kingbobman69]

3:34 Holy fuck I actually thought this when i was eight how did he soul read me like that

[@Bladedamus]

Chat will fucking fight with him on anything. Hey Soul Sister? Hey fucking Soul Sister?

[@LoachAo]

I think it was actually hey there Delilah to be more accurate. And that's probably because they grew up with that song at an age when media didn't really have downsides yet, in an unbaked mind. Nostalgia does the rest

[@kateor4502]

wish I lived in a world where I didn't hear the lazy song on the radio non stop for years like him

[@buddyisbored2355]

He almost sung Hey Soul Sister but then the librarian outro flashed into his head and be stopped

[@kcloudz8182]

Despite all my rage I am still just a man listening to train

[@Paddypipes]

Subtle malevolence sent me

[@ReallyBigDuck]

NL should listen to Christian Contemporary if he really wants to see no heart in the music. Every song sounds the same and has the same lyrics.

[@ActionScripter]

3000% real facts. When I left my sheltered household and started exploring more kinds of music, I was flabbergasted at how good the average normal song is compared to the absolute peak Christian music.

[@wilkic2]

@@ActionScripterthe peak of Christian music is timeless masterpieces like Handel’s Messiah. Just cause you listened to contemporary crap doesn’t impact how good some Christian music is

[@enotsnavdier6867]

​@ActionScripter Look, you're right, but Days of Elijah BANGS

[@Phoenix0F8]

FACTS

[@breadbugking]

Not contemporary, but I love keith green. For more modern, though not super recent, Atalas is pretty good. Andy Gullahorn is also great, love his album Law of Gravity.

[@willv3462]

unfathomably based segment

[@51339]

this man fucking WENT OFF for a whole 16+ minutes HOLY 2+

[@jacobdumas7643]

decided to do some field research for this one and I’ve come to the conclusion that this genre of music (Hey Soul Sister, Drops of Jupiter, I’m Yours, Hey There Delilah, etc.) is just fine. It’s very ephemeral and okay in the moment but it has just a little depth, and I think that’s okay.

[@NoahRodriguezShow]

Correct, and I shouldn't have to write a dissertation on why I don't want to listen to it.

[@Zooropa_Station]

fwiw Drops of Jupiter is a completely different style. It's more like classic piano rock a la Billy Joel, Styx, etc. And modern contemporaries like Coldplay and Keane.

[@theronerdithas2944]

This whole segment is a goldmine of quotes HOOOLY

[@badaboum2]

Short People could probably still be released today. It was an anti-prejudice song that sarcastically mocked short people to point out how ridiculous prejudice is. And before someone answers "but people don't understand sarcasm nowadays", they didn't back then either, there was backlash to that song and Newman received threats, back when it was much more effort to threaten someone than a lazy twitter post from your phone. There were also attempts to get it banned. I'm guessing NL was jokingly pretending to think it's genuine, because some of the lyrics make it clear it isn't.

[@aamr7434]

gonna -2 him for the jack johnson take solely because the curious george movie soundtrack slaps

[@Jgallstar1]

5:52 had me crying at work oh my god that's so funny

[@spiritkid9109]

I fucken' love Drops Of Jupiter, honestly, it has some really tight instrumental writing and I'm not gonna couch it in 500 anticipatory rebuttals to counter arguments made by 14-year old kids on social media

[@legorovers9838]

good for u

[@infinitesquarez]

"So Randy Newman is good but Hey There, Delilah is bad?" Correct.

[@razorknight92]

Randy Newman is one of the most important American songwriters to ever live.

[@noahmay7708]

@@razorknight92 now lets not get too crazy

[@key-chain]

@@noahmay7708in the grand scheme of songwriting as an art form specifically in the United States i'd say he's as important as it gets

[@RhysOfTheGrove]

NL casually calling out like 80% of the songs I've learnt on ukulele as trash and being 100% right D:

[@jetpacktuxedo]

No one learns to play _good_ songs on ukulele

[@RhysOfTheGrove]

@@jetpacktuxedo name a good song, I'll try and learn it so I can truly become no one.

[@lavalava-gb5oe]

Lilikoi by Paula Fuga

[@jimshotfirst4887]

​@@jetpacktuxedo I dead ass saw a dude play _Through the Fire and the Flames_ on a ukulele once so idk about that

[@dijjo]

12:32 this man is spitting bars bro. modern day marcus aurelius

[@mellowmike6263]

NL complaining about the lack of meaning and depth to "hey soul sister" and how it's just produced to sell, after watching and loving the last 10 years of marvel is too much irony to handle

[@Mentro140]

The bit becoming "we should just go back to saying we didn't like things, no reasoning, no complexity" is an incredible full circle

[@DrChillyBones]

Bro, Imagine Dragons makes that stupid fucking lighting and thunder song? God damn they really can't make a single song I don't hate, huh?

[@MarieAvora]

Thunder was so bad it made me hate Warriors and Radioactive in retrospect

[@jayguerber7879]

My parents had an Imagine Dragons playlist and every time Thunder came on I would start an argument about how it’s the worst song of all time. I’m slightly less of a smarmy POS today but if you play that song in your car I will turn the radio off without your consent. You can play literally anything else, just not that one.

[@americannightmare425]

Imagine dragons is not that bad and all of you are reactionaries.

[@jayguerber7879]

@@americannightmare425 🤓👆

[@LiveTwinReaction]

I don't hate imagine dragons but I really disliked thunder

[@j-sinister9274]

the lcd soundsystem "losing my edge" bit is actually genius

[@alex2d]

7:20 Aris's atpOld emote is unironically my favorite and most used emote on Twitch

[@kvasman834]

Y'all Pop music heads don't know how Slap House music be ruining the House scene with even the electronic scene as a whole from the last decade, it's genuine saccharin dribble that removes the athmosphere of Deep House for shitty thumpy kicks, some saxaphones (that are ngl kinda good) and some woman singing about how she's longing for masculine love or something to calm middle aged moms or to be played at clubs for zooted out guests

[@Phoenix0F8]

gonna guess the woman singing tends to moan a lot too and not even melodic shit I mean high key just, pornographic breathy moaning that takes up at least a quarter of the song for some reason.

[@mrdunsparce5138]

It’s a really good thing he kept baby metal out his freakin mouth

[@plywoodramp]

Had to listen to some Jack Johnson after this. Holds up.

[@zoom3184]

hell yeah it holds up

[@rybread9574]

i was on board until NL went after my boy. in between dreams is a stone cold classic

[@alexhilderbrand7064]

ok good i was making sure someone was in here defending, he only had a few bad takes but that one actually rattled me

[@thewideman1801]

This is my favorite video you’ve put out so far librarian. Top tier bits brought forwards to the world to enjoy

[@spacegirlfriend42069]

5:54 he's just describing the final bars of 100 gecs' 745 sticky

[@astreinerboi]

Of course people are not obligated to justify their dislike/like of different media, but conversations about media with no content whatsoever are just pointless then. I have witnessed too many interactions that just go like this: A: Did you see ? B: Yes, I liked it. What do you say about ? A: I hate it. What did you think about ? B: It was ok. Opinion on ? Ad infinitum. Come on, you have to give me more than that.

[@xzczcwc]

Yeah, the "we should bring back people having nothing to say beyond the most basic version of their preferences" bit at the end seemed silly. Especially because it never went away: people are largely as thoughtless about this stuff as they've ever been.

[@1dr_wall769]

I'd rather have that completely innocuous small talk than: "How can you NOT absolutely love/hate this piece of media??? It's just that..." *20 minutes of poorly articulated summaries of Twitter discourse and video essay talking points later; my eyes are glazed over, my drink has been empty for ten minutes, I'm looking for any excuse to get outta here* "Haha, yeah, you have a point. Anyway, I'm gonna grab another drink- oh hey! That's my friend over there, I'm gonna say hi. It was nice talking to you, see you around (I will NOT be seeing you around)"

[@xzxzxccxzcw2028]

​@@1dr_wall769Have you actually had an interaction like that in real life? I never have tbh

[@1dr_wall769]

​@@xzxzxccxzcw2028 Nah I just wanted to throw a stray before getting out of bed this morning lmao. In reality, I am a media enjoyer that rants to my friends about how much I love some random ass movie that none of them have seen, like go off, live your life, enjoy whatever and talk about it y'kno At the same time tho I do agree with NL that we should just let people be like "I just vibe with this" or "eh I don't really vibe with this" without necessarily needing further explanation. Some people don't really think about why they like or dislike a thing, they just feel that way and move on with their lives

[@codexstudios]

The only information I have about Train is from Pat Finnerty.

[@Mushmallowie]

Somebody get this man a Bald As Shit hat

[@darklime191]

12:32 he's so real for that

[@NOLNV1]

Agreed on the whole list, especially Hey There Delilah and I'm Yours. But there's also anything by Imagine Dragons, Amber by 311, We Are Young by FUN! et al.

[@TheElectricRaichu]

I just like the sound of Soulsister and that's what the main point of music is. I'm also nostalgic for Drops of Jupiter due to my parents.

[@VickyAmaru]

I just looked it up, apparently the wrote the song because he heard about Burning Man and he imagined there might be dancing women there.

[@MathewWithOne_T]

Grateful Dead's "Box of Rain" is about the singer's father who died of cancer, but the song doesn't sound like it was made to be played in department stores

[@TheLibraryofLetourneau]

yeah after listening to artists he talks about on stream like nick drake or neutral milk hotel, its easier to see why he hates train

[@LordOfJonix]

00's mediocre adult contemporary discourse is the new disco discourse

[@enotsnavdier6867]

​@ckorp666 Being gay doesn't make it good my guy

[@atmbcito]

@@ckorp666Truth and disco still bangs idc

[@sommerblume9671]

@@ckorp666 Camp my beloved

[@owennewburn]

11:40 Argee with NL here. Of course in 2024 it's not enough to just be entertained by a piece of media. You have to be good at it now too.

[@desmondhume]

train was my favorite band as a kid and i think i would still jump on a grenade for them

[@br8581]

Every so often, we're reminded of the roots of internet discourse. Musical disagreements à la "I hate the bands that you like" is one of them. I find the song to be boring but nostalgic. Maybe a 6/10. Classic bit, though. Maybe an 8/10.

[@zoom3184]

your opinion is WRONG!!!! It is an 8.625 according to my quantitative classification!!!

[@legorovers9838]

this is maybe his greatest take ever

[@LightTheMars]

He's seriously cooking in this one

[@connordelaney6254]

He thinks music needs to have meaning to be good? If it sounds good it's good He immediately addressed this nvmd

[@stonythewoke9921]

i just checked out hey soul sister to see what all the fuss is about and the song doesn't sound bad at all, its totally fine

[@angryprimalbug5417]

Listen, it’s easily the best train song but it’s still train 😂

[@FingerthingMHS]

NL doing the lcd soundsystem losing my edge bit is why ive been obsessed for a week, what other streamer could/would do that

[@j-sinister9274]

came to the comments for this. genuinely too perfect and niche

[@blingblingboy400]

Haven't been watching nl for a few weeks and god is it good to be back

[@Autistic.Engineer.]

chicken tender bibimbap actually sounds so good, i’m making this for my husband. thank you northern Lion.

[@sagecolvard9644]

Neither Drops of Jupiter or Hey Soul Sister is the worst Train song. Drive By is the worst Train song. I agree that Hey Soul Sister is subtle malevolence.

[@user-on6uf6om7s]

No respect for the badness of 50 Ways to Say Goodbye?

[@rhodiumthunderbird]

I have a high threshold for bland early-mid 00’s adult contemporary music to the point where I actually quite like drops of Jupiter and can stand Hey Soul Sister, but the fact that drive by has the 3 hit combo of “just a shy guy looking for a two ply hefty bag” directly into “to hold my-y-y-y-y-y (6 syllables on ‘my’) love” followed by “they don’t like it sue me, mm the way you do me” pushes it past what I can tolerate.

[@sagecolvard9644]

@@user-on6uf6om7s Honestly, I like that one. It's the only Train song I like.

[@EviIPaladin]

@@user-on6uf6om7s 50 Ways is so insanely stupid and nonsensical that it loops back around to being good.

[@user-on6uf6om7s]

@@EviIPaladin It is the sort of novelty song I guess I could imagine my dad listening to but I just don't have the same nostalgia for that song. It's like if "grandma got run over by a reindeer" took itself too seriously.

[@Blackobluna]

Yap master stands on business, even if I would die for Hey There Delilah

[@natesage8645]

10:00 He definitely hasn’t heard any Illumineers song other than Ho Hey

[@gretafreitag2041]

I think all those songs are fine, people seem to enjoy them at least

[@goclbert]

I feel like a lot of the disconnect between NL and chat on this is just age difference. Like someone who likes Slint might have a positive impression of Hey There Delilah if it came out when they were 10.

[@queen-patches233]

its good to know that egg bad takes consist of musics. easy to dismiss

[@StGeorgedragonhunter]

What we learned today is that music, like any form of art, is highly subjective. I'm not going to bat for Train but I don't see how DoJ is any worse than every single top 10 most played songs in radio at any given time.

[@zangafan27]

I can't think of Train now without thinking of Pat Finnerty's magnum opus, the Hey Soul Sister episode of What Makes This Song Stink

[@nialldownes7]

#StopTheTrain

[@Matkatamiba]

Ok that outro is incredible here

[@cogspace]

On the one hand, I like Owl City… on the other hand, “value brand Postal Service knock off” does describe them perfectly.

[@XzMondayNightzX]

NL should open a music review channel and call it "The Egg Drop."

[@VolatileSupernova]

There's something that really appeals to me to just see NL go off on a subject like that even when I disagree with him lol.

[@AnarchoCatBoyEthan]

holy fuck calling fireflies a such great heights knock off is BRUTAL

[@jipeh]

This is his best take of all time

[@alexmay7250]

Old crow medicine band catching a stray was crazy

[@stickypepsi3236]

never in my life did i ever expect nl to bring out old crow medicine show off the dome piece

[@miku224]

“If James Murphy was evil” 😂😂😂

[@drummerofawe]

I'm fully aware it's just because I was a pre-teen when it came out but Fireflies does not deserve to be lumped in with the rest of that fodder. If nothing else it's way more unique than the others he listed

[@OwenOrsini]

egg in RARE form on this one

[@TheLronGiant]

He’s absolutely heard Lazy Song

[@LiveTwinReaction]

Only thing I can think of at 5:53 is that Sweet Caroline Diagnostix remix

[@nnm711]

5:52 - Modestep - Machines