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@alphabeets
@alphabeets 3 жыл бұрын
We appreciate you showing the unsuccessful attempts. Thanks for the honesty.
@carlostorres9068
@carlostorres9068 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, and it is actually more interesting, since you can see a more complex troubleshooting process
@nathanielreid4967
@nathanielreid4967 2 жыл бұрын
Me too🤔 Learning and knowing what works is just as important as what doesn't😎
@kingsleyadusei7606
@kingsleyadusei7606 2 жыл бұрын
He's really making me super trust him more
@redfrog2100
@redfrog2100 3 жыл бұрын
i love longer video so we can learn alot from something that is not a straight through fix
@electronicengineer
@electronicengineer 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you totally, but in Alex's shoes, he has to repair enough units each day to keep the doors of the business open also. I see this from both perspectives, but yeah, the longer videos definitely offer more in-depth learning opportunities for us spectators. Fred
@yellowonion
@yellowonion 3 жыл бұрын
"More graphics card than amazon" that's gold right there.
@BudLarsenjr
@BudLarsenjr 3 жыл бұрын
Lol!
@ayumuaikawa
@ayumuaikawa 3 жыл бұрын
@Mariukas at least they exists XD
@Daniele858585
@Daniele858585 3 жыл бұрын
@@ayumuaikawa they exist they exist :P and they are free too, but a lot of people didn't understood that^^
@butter5144
@butter5144 3 жыл бұрын
Headache 😣
@diewalker103
@diewalker103 3 жыл бұрын
@@Almahdi331 what's you smoking
@electronicengineer
@electronicengineer 3 жыл бұрын
You are an electronic troubleshooting warrior Alex. You put so much effort into that repair attempt. I have nothing but enormous respect for you sir. Fred
@seannesbit2218
@seannesbit2218 3 жыл бұрын
What was that Karren?
@Dandan-tg6tj
@Dandan-tg6tj 2 жыл бұрын
@@seannesbit2218 It's called respect and appreciation. You may learn about it someday. Ask your parents because they may know a thing or two about it. You clearly don't.
@seannesbit2218
@seannesbit2218 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dandan-tg6tj Ok Boomer!
@williamsquires3070
@williamsquires3070 3 жыл бұрын
I think after the 1st two popped MOSFETs, I’d have just removed all the MOSFETs in that section, then measured the resistance from ground to each of the power rails right where the power supply plugs in, but with the PSU disconnected. If that checks out, try to measure the voltages on the gates (and drains) of the MOSFETs that keep failing (or, better yet, use a scope) with the PSU connected. There shouldn’t be any voltage drop (in diode mode) between the gate and either source or drain of a MOSFET; the gate floats on an insulating oxide layer over the source-drain channel. It should show 0L (overload) on the meter. This whole thing sounds like an initial cascade failure which rapidly took out the MOSFETs and (possibly) the gate drivers.
@matijuarez
@matijuarez 2 жыл бұрын
It makes sense
@pufero1
@pufero1 2 жыл бұрын
they are in 2 mosfet and feed back to the pwm chip fix is cheack the pwm chip and the feedback of it. some tyime when a mosfet dead it kill the pwm chip too.
@brado426789
@brado426789 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! What a nightmare!!! I was on the edge of my seat... super interesting. Thanks!
@marcoaurelio2399
@marcoaurelio2399 3 жыл бұрын
I like these kind of videos where you show the struggle in being a technician
@Th3OmegaPoint
@Th3OmegaPoint 3 жыл бұрын
100% justified repair attempt fee, I think you went above and beyond what anyone could expect from any repair shop.
@صابرصابر-ص9ب
@صابرصابر-ص9ب 3 жыл бұрын
Good job brother. I like you when you said لا حول ولا قوة إلا بالله
@joevalenzuela9443
@joevalenzuela9443 3 жыл бұрын
Your troubleshooting videos are a pleasant to watch. I remember when I used to follow my grandfather around all day watching him troubleshooting TVs and Radios all day until he tells me to get lost when he gets a bad troubleshooting moment.
@jiaopintu
@jiaopintu 3 жыл бұрын
I have way more time than you allowed to fix a board. Someone told me one time, "you have to know when to give up" Great respect from Romania!
@mirceamihai94
@mirceamihai94 3 жыл бұрын
De unde esti?
@gregjones3660
@gregjones3660 3 жыл бұрын
So how did you fail? Besides that you need to go find that missile and fix that board no matter what.
@gregjones3660
@gregjones3660 3 жыл бұрын
​@@emstroop8859Yeah this stuff is all very easy right? and thats probably why he loves to fix electronics. Did you fix that missile yet?
@gregjones3660
@gregjones3660 3 жыл бұрын
@@emstroop8859 did you fix that missile yet?
@joshuasox
@joshuasox 3 жыл бұрын
​@@emstroop8859 please enlighten the rest of us peasants how he should of fixed this board then
@matthewtymaja3760
@matthewtymaja3760 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this upload : you worked like a *HERO* on this board. We need more people with your skill in the board repair business. Keep doing what you do!
@ssm873
@ssm873 3 жыл бұрын
I think the problem was in one of the driver ICs (or maybe all of them) NCP5901 (marking AZP). Also you need to check VALUE of the capacitor on pin1 - gate boost circuit
@shukzzkhan3693
@shukzzkhan3693 3 жыл бұрын
We never get bored of Alex jobs…and his amazing talent and his experience…many videos I have seen are shot videos but am happy he uploaded an 50min videos…thank you Brother Alex…
@malikjunaid1
@malikjunaid1 3 жыл бұрын
This was a real eyeopener, this video cooled down my level of excitement, down to the level where I just dropped the idea of starting an electronics repair business..
@astroman5923
@astroman5923 3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry about it, you put the time in you have it's a slow day/s repair job. it's just a feedback loops from something else on the board causing it to reblow most likely the apu.
@hightttech
@hightttech 3 жыл бұрын
@@astroman5923: Yup, a SLOW-DAY repair. But NF has no slow days. I know it killed him to call it off because he knows that all he needs is time.
@alexs.9493
@alexs.9493 3 жыл бұрын
why drop the idea just modify :) i buy all requirments to do repairs as a hobby i got everything for around 200€ and repair all types of console.
@michaelmyers5782
@michaelmyers5782 3 жыл бұрын
its a lot of work and time to fix electronics
@tsbeech
@tsbeech 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! No one can say you didn't try hard enough on this one! Love watching a master at work.
@alixxworkshop846
@alixxworkshop846 3 жыл бұрын
I've forgotten how stressfull this job can be... I've been servicing eletronics like for 10 years and I can understand this guy. Working hours and hours resolving problem with no result. Boss is angry because you're not productive,you're stressed because you can't find the error and It's just one of those days. For me the best option was looking into schematics and with measurments trying to find the failure. But the time and lack of schematics is allways a problem. Does anyone knows the name of this man,he's really nice and I like his "outland" accent,he speaks Slavic like me for sure :D
@lolbots
@lolbots Жыл бұрын
he's arab, ali
@ImPouria
@ImPouria 3 жыл бұрын
If it was easy every one could do it. Mashallah good job.
@MYTechFiX
@MYTechFiX 3 жыл бұрын
everyone could do it ? are you kidding me boy ?
@rachid746
@rachid746 3 жыл бұрын
@@MYTechFiX He actually wrote "if" it was easy, everyone could do it. Chill man! :)
@andrest3524
@andrest3524 3 жыл бұрын
Excelente video! Gracias a tí no solo estoy aprendiendo mas sobre electrónica, también estoy aprendiendo inglés, gracias a tu pronunciación clara y entendible! Muchas Gracias!!!
@Wall2000x
@Wall2000x 8 ай бұрын
You don't know how much this helps me in vacuum cleaner and sewing machine repair. Thank you.
@chavo4684
@chavo4684 3 жыл бұрын
I have permanent arthritis having my fingers crossed, hoping that you'd get that working. Atleast we got to see you working on it. Very informational video thanks
@onuroskay8613
@onuroskay8613 3 жыл бұрын
Your business deserves every penny that you charged to customers for your efforts.
@achrefbensalah7950
@achrefbensalah7950 3 жыл бұрын
watched all the video , its so frustrating , lucky to have a clear mind and being patient , go ahead bro :)
@tomek5333
@tomek5333 3 жыл бұрын
Very good Job like always . Best regards from Poland :)
@esmerilhamente9959
@esmerilhamente9959 Жыл бұрын
Hi dear congratulations for your professional service, when I found a mosfet in short usually I change the power supply control IC too, sometimes when a mosfet come in short, switching voltages can go to gate and damage the controller supply IC too and when I use used mosfets from donors boards i make a test in these.
@strawberry3521
@strawberry3521 2 жыл бұрын
i love that your father switches things on with the recitation of Bismillah :) may the almighty bless you and your family
@NorthridgeFix
@NorthridgeFix 2 жыл бұрын
Big box is my uncle.
@DrSonic
@DrSonic 3 жыл бұрын
Nunca veo nadie hablar español, te dejo mis saludos eres un gran maestro!
@DrSonic
@DrSonic 3 жыл бұрын
@Nanbito oye eres de las consolas portátiles o es una cuenta fake?
@sabadotarde4
@sabadotarde4 3 жыл бұрын
Tambien me gustan sus videos
@DrSonic
@DrSonic 3 жыл бұрын
@@sabadotarde4 ya somos mas poco a poco
@abdullahbilal
@abdullahbilal 3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the way u teach. MashAllah. Very good learning even console is not fixed but really good understanding for a new person like me. Hats off to u bro.
@stefanlechner
@stefanlechner 3 жыл бұрын
Damn nice…over 50mins of northridgefix…i have to watch it now.👍👏
@frankreiserm.s.8039
@frankreiserm.s.8039 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video game repair videos. I am an unemployed electronics technician looking for a job. Some companies want someone who can troubleshoot and repair digital boards. There are no videos on the internet that show the repair of combinational and sequential troubleshooting and repair of digital boards. I watch your site because you fix digital-video-game boards.
@jtjones4727
@jtjones4727 2 жыл бұрын
Man you do amazing work. There are no new GPUs available to buy, people have to get them fixed nowadays or do without, or pay ridiculous scalping prices. But everything about what you do is good. Helping to keep electronics and precious metals from the landfills. And giving people another option besides buying overpriced new electronics.
@trilexfix
@trilexfix 2 жыл бұрын
your youtube face meme haha!!
@ivanviduljevic
@ivanviduljevic 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's super cool that read us multimeter readings out loud, or you show the display of that fluke.
@S3brandon
@S3brandon Жыл бұрын
Visual inspection* sorry had to.... also gotta say love the videos! Just started watching and learning alot from you
@MBrulla
@MBrulla 3 жыл бұрын
This is the one I've been waiting for. Have one on my bench that's been giving me trouble. Similar symptom (on/off), but mine stays on a bit longer. No short to GND on any of the fets. No visible damage. I hate to say that I think yours might be the APU.
@monensontali617
@monensontali617 2 жыл бұрын
Fix or No fix.Always enjoy watching.Still got some knowledge on trouble shooting and diagnosting.Thank you for this video.
@MANUEEJUAREZ1990
@MANUEEJUAREZ1990 3 жыл бұрын
I really LOVE this long troubleshooting videos. Sad that finally u couldnt get it working. Grettings from Spain. Keep the good work!! Awesome channel
@jamiejoker118
@jamiejoker118 9 ай бұрын
Well done as in showing the costomers the struggle we have. Love your videos and I'm always smiling. I have the problem as In I spend days fault finding with no joy problem then if it's not repaired they won't pay for your time I also work in the Automotive diagnostic tests same problem they think we have a magic stick lol Love your Camera scope wish I had one here in the UK keep up the good work nice to see people doing well, and not giving up..
@bogdan546
@bogdan546 3 жыл бұрын
Before replace the IC driver why do you not measure the signal to the mosfet and the converter output resistance ? it would save you a lot of wasted time
@adebayooladipo859
@adebayooladipo859 3 жыл бұрын
You need to watch out for old soldering iron when you are soldering MOSFET Transistor. Also, inductor, resistor and capacitor around FET can kill it too.
@hameh_chiz_az_hameh_jah5728
@hameh_chiz_az_hameh_jah5728 7 ай бұрын
Your perseverance is commendable👍👍
@samirali2216
@samirali2216 2 жыл бұрын
I knew you were an Arab, because you speak aggressively 😊😊😊 I do to... Amazing work .. I am learning a lot from you. I like the way you speak what you are thinking and it is very helpful to understand the process
@shooter556002
@shooter556002 2 жыл бұрын
Main part of life is failure, not success. Thank you for sharing.
@pupil2720
@pupil2720 3 жыл бұрын
I did not start watching yet but I will watch very soon. Looking forward to a long Northridge Fix video!
@ToothlessCBR
@ToothlessCBR 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to make a longer video. I hope it didn't cost you time with the fam D:
@TheUrantia001
@TheUrantia001 3 жыл бұрын
You serve as great inspiration too many...the technical term for what your doing i think is called ...killing it man, killing it.. ;-) ...How does your marketing work?....word of mouth only + youtube ? if so that's amazing..as i see you have a small one man operation and there are normally too many of these repair stores..which tend to struggle with staying afloat in this disposable society.....you are from Cuba right? I got my first PC in 1987/88...first games console in 84...peak of my career for me was project manager, and senior field service engineer, team lead in IT/Networking, 2014...i was a surface mount, debug technician for Compaq.94/98..right when the internet was blowing up in UK...so it's amazing to see how things have advanced...all we had were wiring diagrams and experience back then....the good old DOA's...i went from apprentice PC build/tester to debug technician and staff trainer..in 3 years...in your last video about life/career philosophy you were spot on...i admire your outlook..experience is everything ...the door swings both ways ..the bigger companies use and abuse too often..but i got what i needed from my earlier career..and taught me how to deal with people...certain jobs, leave certain impressions..keep up the amazing work my friend......Psa-.Scotland..
@laramaviper
@laramaviper Жыл бұрын
Great work even when repair is not possible. One question: Wouldnt be faster if you use the thermal camera after first attempt? Keep up the good work.
@altus1226
@altus1226 3 жыл бұрын
It kinda looks like something has gotten into the PCB layers, visible at 24:26 around the center component.
@Darren777Au
@Darren777Au 3 жыл бұрын
Nice problem solving, this video is good to see as not everything is a fix with limited time available. Thumbs up.
@omaralkassab9079
@omaralkassab9079 3 жыл бұрын
Even though it’s not a fix!! But you are the best “Hero warrior” in electronics repair ever
@Andrews2kx
@Andrews2kx 3 жыл бұрын
Im sure every video i saw i learned a lot with you. This one at least serves for show how hard is sometimes and still teaching us technicians. Thanks for share.
@kaiserkhalil1
@kaiserkhalil1 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see BigBoss 👍👍👍....this video shows that you are honest with your work no matter if its no fix....
@abdis70
@abdis70 3 жыл бұрын
Mansha Allah- You got booming business due your excellent troubleshooting skills and fixing.You deserve it. Keep it up.
@tomjk64
@tomjk64 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you doing the now fixing to, and the time it’s taking too trying 👍🏻
@mr2000jp
@mr2000jp 3 жыл бұрын
i used to change lots of caps on the xbox360 , exactly the same ones you replaced , those 2 big ones , and while replacing them many times happened that they get shorted out, those are really too sensitive to heat , seems the same story with xbox one
@jeffreystewart1789
@jeffreystewart1789 3 жыл бұрын
given the graphics card shortage and scalp prices people are sending for repair as before in the bin
@neillawlor7701
@neillawlor7701 Жыл бұрын
Alex i thought i had patience but you beat me by a long way. Thanks for some amazing videos
@cacrybarber
@cacrybarber 3 жыл бұрын
Quite elegant Mr. Big Boss 🎩
@VideoServicesLI
@VideoServicesLI 3 жыл бұрын
Best suspense video I've seen all month! Your effort was very inspiring. Can you tell me what soldering iron & bent tip you use in this video? Wow, how frustrating, been there, glad to see it doesn't just happen to me! A lesson on 'Patience'. All those expedite repairs.... no pressure😳
@CrashnServers
@CrashnServers 2 жыл бұрын
To be so busy with a year queue. Amazing work and business you deserve every bit.
@BudLarsenjr
@BudLarsenjr 3 жыл бұрын
You still make it look easy. Excellent videos! Keep em coming!
@Soru.97
@Soru.97 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh I didn’t finish the video. But I Learned a lot within 5 minutes. This helped me to fix my Xbox one s, or well at least I’ve fixed the short circuit and I’m still working on the other problems. Thank you for the tips
@johny1220
@johny1220 3 жыл бұрын
A 50 minute video?! 😍 also, I love how many packages you get lol 😄
@stefanlechner
@stefanlechner 3 жыл бұрын
Wow what an amazing video. I really have to thank you for that. Thank you. That was a real tough nut…so many mosfets you had to replace. You are right, you invested so much time in this board, it has to go to an end. You have more and more things that has to be done and fixed. And again so many grfx-card came in…unbelievable. But it would be interesting what’s the problem with this board. Thank you for this really long video and the work „behind the scenes“ its a real hard job solving those problems. Greets from austria
@rayislooking2
@rayislooking2 2 жыл бұрын
But what can you do? lol Great videos!!! It's an honor to watch you work. I feel this line of work is a never-ending learning process. New things come our way every day. I have already learned a lot from you, Thank you. Love the family atmosphere. Do you have a video where we meet the family? Do you have a video of the rest of the shop? I am a new subscriber and fan. I will be purchasing some of your products soon. I like that I can buy what I see in your videos. Take care
@thomasjinu6923
@thomasjinu6923 2 жыл бұрын
Honest man , really appreciate...never mind fails..step to succes ..
@futuresdojo
@futuresdojo 3 жыл бұрын
7:00 is where the Xbox one s repair starts
@chagaarbellal4983
@chagaarbellal4983 2 жыл бұрын
I learned things from this video bro You got a fan not just subscriber God be with you 🤗
@final0after0image
@final0after0image 3 жыл бұрын
Probably would have given up one step before you did that was absolutely best efforts repair seems likely the power issue killed that cpu. Sometimes you just have to weigh up time spent vs cost to make the repair reasonable for the client whilst also not killing your stock of components. Great job Alex 👏 I know those ones take a mental toll.
@thomask6656
@thomask6656 2 жыл бұрын
You should open a Just for fun repair ring, where those nearly unfixable Boards will be mailed from technician to technician until the problem is found :)
@w.r.vanstraalen17
@w.r.vanstraalen17 2 жыл бұрын
Love your work. In the Xbox case, couldn't you repair one of the donor boards?
@jevrybezauspvp8495
@jevrybezauspvp8495 2 жыл бұрын
Donor boards are usually dead cpu
@CodeAsm
@CodeAsm 2 жыл бұрын
Sad it dint work out. Helpfully video tho, I might try testing the power stage parts of my server board now. Caps, resistors and those MOSFETs. You've shown great common methods of testing and altho no thermal cam, I spotted a hot part already. Thanks for making this video.
@aminedif7422
@aminedif7422 2 жыл бұрын
I like u'r touchmet bro proud to be Muslim ... greetings from Algeria 🇩🇿😊🇵🇸
@2011jaydog
@2011jaydog 3 жыл бұрын
I love the vids!!keep up the good work! I love to watch and learn all I can!!
@MitchCairns
@MitchCairns 3 жыл бұрын
Ran into this same issue with a board :( Bad CPU unfortunately.
@a.z.7193
@a.z.7193 3 жыл бұрын
I think this too
@dhadandms
@dhadandms 3 жыл бұрын
curiosity should be ended sometimes. respect from Indonesia !!!
@bobbys405
@bobbys405 3 жыл бұрын
Solid attempt! That's still a job well done.
@northgork
@northgork 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely brilliant!
@DFPercush
@DFPercush 3 жыл бұрын
Boy that's frustrating, popping mosfets with every attempt. I kinda saw that ending coming, but it's neat to see everything you try.
@ruudb72
@ruudb72 3 жыл бұрын
I think its fair to say you really tried and it is not at all a shame to conclude its a no fix. Nice video!
@michaelcornet506
@michaelcornet506 2 жыл бұрын
Bad it didn’t workout on this one but it gave me some good feeling I’m not alone in this 😅 Thanks for good movies.
@hysem77
@hysem77 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Sir. Really im learning so much from you so much
@VivekSingh-nl6hs
@VivekSingh-nl6hs 3 жыл бұрын
You are the guy to call when anything circuit relates stuff goes bad 🤣 wish we had such service in India
@liamphillipclark1
@liamphillipclark1 3 жыл бұрын
Great video mate as always was good to watch a 50 minute video ✌️
@Salfke
@Salfke 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I learn a lot from watching tour videos
@tj5232
@tj5232 3 жыл бұрын
hi ,i really admire your patience and persistence.you are an inspiration 👍
@vicentemontalmontejano1527
@vicentemontalmontejano1527 3 ай бұрын
Repro, tengo una tostadora que se ha puesto en modo "fuegos artificiales ", con sus chispitas y todo ¿te la dono y si la reparas me la devuelves? Piénsalo, te sale un videazo,... te la mando con "solera "... 😂😂😂 Fuera bromas, didáctico, ácido y en tu línea... un maestro. ¡¡¡ Gracias por el video!!!
@mustafahussien5010
@mustafahussien5010 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Alex. Great job even No fix. Would you check the feedback resistors for PMIC chip? maybe causing high voltages driving those blown mosfets.
@py8551
@py8551 3 жыл бұрын
u are a hard worker, I have learned a lot of skill from you, u are the best
@elesar74
@elesar74 3 жыл бұрын
Feed the board with voltage and increase the current (A). You will need a power supply for that operation. This will cause heat of the short and you will find the problem easier. You have a thermocamera and I wonder why you don't use it.
@TruthTortoise81
@TruthTortoise81 2 жыл бұрын
He did exactly that dude, didn't you watch the video?
@gerardolopez8202
@gerardolopez8202 2 жыл бұрын
un chingon como siempre saludos desde mexico, one chingon always thanks for you videos
@jdeltoro518
@jdeltoro518 2 жыл бұрын
Great effort,your very patient. Great video
@RETGXMEN1
@RETGXMEN1 2 жыл бұрын
heres un genio saludos desde sud america Bolivia tu si reparacion con conocimiento
@AmmarH413
@AmmarH413 3 жыл бұрын
Kudos on keeping your cool . If it was me , i would be acting out after that
@ShAzEbMuGhAl
@ShAzEbMuGhAl 2 жыл бұрын
MashAllah Brother i will Love to meet you inshAllah from London
@billdomitilli8125
@billdomitilli8125 8 ай бұрын
Personally, I prefer to have a schematic in front of me so I know what's driving what before I'm replacing parts.
@vaguedreams
@vaguedreams 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, I really appreciate you posting the vids where the repairs are unsuccessful. I've gone ahead and subscribed now also. If you have the time I do have a question. That board looked absolutely gross. It was full of hairs and it looked like it had some kind of liquid or something all over the bottom. is there any easy method for you all to clean that up? I know it may be a silly question, but the only thing I could think of is that a pet was all over that thing.
@gozz7733
@gozz7733 2 жыл бұрын
His patience game is very strong. I was getting frustrated every time it wasn't working.
@carlosmariadolores5644
@carlosmariadolores5644 3 жыл бұрын
That's very helpful thanls very appreciating
@robertpage2023
@robertpage2023 2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering that if a donor board was completely checked out in that ALL the components were tested and good, THEN why not move the CPU chip to that board and then see what happens. I know that a CPU move would demand very good soldering skills, (which Mr. Alex certainly has) but that would obviously prove if the CPU was any good or not. Under power, a CPU heats up normally anyway so thermal cam shot is not going to tell you anything. As I said, since Mr. Alex gets so many of these types devices in, a stand-by working board with all components pretested and working could be used as a CPU "test" vehicle. Also, I would have done the thermal cam diagnostic first after applying power to the board of one volt. From there I would then start testing for shorts and replacing parts. The validity of a donor board used part is always iffy. Of course upon testing the donor part, you would know if it was still ok or not.
@louispd6828
@louispd6828 3 жыл бұрын
Honest work, you are a good man snd a pro...
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