Norwich 2-2 Arsenal Player Ratings (Ft Troopz & DT)

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[@saradonis9909]

Troopz in November: I love you Ljungberg Troopz in December: My mum is Ljungberg in...IS SHE MAD!!!!

[@yooyoo8637]

Looool the best line on AFTV ever ‘my mums wenger in, is she mad’ legeni

[@GomesLivArsManU]

this comment is legendary XD

[@eldio2124]

sara donis I can just see this. “Get this Swedish P.E teacher out of my club”

[@MrBuckethead911]

L.O.B. banners might come out u kno

[@allanbennett4184]

Will Give £100 anyone takes DT hat

[@abirchowdhury9592]

“We’re unbeaten with Freddie he’s making us the invincibles again” - Ty

[@kickerssss2262]

😂😂

[@leonphillips6609]

More like invisibles

[@010mercurials]

😂😂

[@kaelomodikwa2554]

😂😂😂😂

[@imanafdar]

Arsenal fans is the best when it comes to comedy since they are all jokes

[@emmettbyrne9835]

Thought Troopz had got nailed with a snowball ☃️

[@deep_singh83]

He was painting and decorating earlier

[@NSNGH01]

Emmett Byrne you need glasses mate

[@Bholmes17]

Bruce Wayne you can’t take a joke mate

[@iranzamin1085]

Blad you brought tears to my eyes with that wording

[@NSNGH01]

@@Bholmes17 don't know what relevance my comment has on how not to take a joke but okay.......

[@PA1994...]

TY : players were confused because Unai wasnt on the touchline

[@memsefer]

Loyal Arsenal fc Fan Club & Man City Supporter wenger in IS SHE MAD

[@gibbo1449]

The Norwich fans are top class unlike some others during these interviews

[@MorrisonNo8]

If they'd of won?!

[@1v1rust30]

15:58 one norwich fan finds Scandinavia too funny loool

[@1v1rust30]

@Keynesian Economics great city, loads of churches (not that having churches makes a city great)

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Norwich are a proper football club

[@robertpearson510]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall yeah at the bottom

[@bendavies9878]

You’ve drawn 2-2 with all three bottom clubs this season!!...

[@yilmanbabilonia]

Damn. That hit me like a ton of bricks.

[@LG02380]

Ugh uggh ugggh...... game over

[@MetalSociety21]

That’s jokes

[@nevadadancer4629]

Don't forget drawing to the ultimate relegation fodder that is Manchester United 😂

[@010mercurials]

Quality

[@Flinstone_Edible]

Ty: "We musn't forget the players dedicated that performance to unai."

[@Flinstone_Edible]

@Moses Olweny 🤣

[@Flinstone_Edible]

@pupsamson777 likes don't matter to me as long as you get a good laugh that's what counts.

[@shoo99ful]

AG22 just because of this comment, you deserve even more likes

[@omaryahya7258]

😂😂😂

[@omaryahya7258]

You deserve more likes for that legendary comment

[@assadhafiz3549]

Troops looking like somebody auntie

[@mansnotbot4160]

...so your auntie then.

[@zahiddatoo]

Why u copying Austin Mcbroom? 🤫🤦‍♂️

[@alexlintern9779]

You mean - "UN-teeeeeee......understand Blood?"

[@theo9706]

Loyal Arsenal fc Fan Club & Man City Supporter lol

[@wivaspoudel998]

Things I noticed under Freddie: Instead of always passing the ball out of back, Leno tried to hit long ball many times. Our attack looked a bit better and free flowing. Unlike Emery, Freddie went to our away fans to appreciate their support. BUT our defense was all over the the place and it’s so easy for oppositions to hit us on break. I believe Freddie can make this team better with more training sessions!!✌️

[@Flinstone_Edible]

Spot on actually. 👏

[@usmanmahmood4076]

We said that with emery aswell 🤷‍♂️

[@Gd2knw]

1. Leno can't do long balls nor smart passes near the box therefore Martinez deserves better. 2. Our attack didn't stick well because of Willock. Favouritism is not the time now in December. 3.Wenger failed, Unai failed except when kosc & Holding paired and now Freddies first game failed in defence without Luiz n Sokratis. However when Luiz n Sokratis plays it is a fail too. Arsenals defence is one of the world's greatest mysteries. 4. I'd love to see how well Freddie can do with these dead defensive players in time. Hopefully.

[@mansoryO]

freddie is better than emery in this particular point. i am glad that we have class acts that step up for the team. players respect him, he has high awareness. good interim manager, unlike other teams **coughs** united

[@chrisc9073]

@@Gd2knw you are deluded if you think Martinez should be anywhere near leno, look at the goals he conceded at anfield 😂😂

[@danielpowers2191]

From Tony Adams to Mustafi; A North London horror story.

[@eldio2124]

Mustafi is the second worst defender I’ve ever seen behind Alberto Moreno. I genuinely don’t know how both players made it professionally. Clearly those scouting teams dropped the ball

[@SeanEnglishHD]

El Dio you haven’t watched football for long have you

[@bajramovicsenad2624]

@@eldio2124 bullshit.go Back to tricket

[@josiahboatengmyrie]

El Dio Moreno at least won the euros and champions league yeah Mustafi won the World Cup but that’s it

[@leesoulsby254]

Tony adam was just as bad he couldn't do it now

[@gidivibes]

Who else thought Troopz had snow on his hoodie from the thumbnail?

[@NSNGH01]

Gidi Vibes you need glasses mate

[@gidivibes]

@@NSNGH01 I actually a contact so?

[@griffany]

Is that Boris Johnson’s Mum behind Troopz?

[@akaeyyy9114]

loool

[@ikeokeke8427]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@siya1175]

Dude 😂😂😂😂

[@pmelect]

Why is Boris Johnson there?

[@adamjones9604]

yaz geezer that has just bent me up. 🤣😂. Second I looked I was curled up. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@sebastianelytron8450]

Looking for Corbyn, to start a fight.

[@CROSSNSHOOT]

He is a Gooner! Go Boris and smash the communist Corbyn up👊🏻

[@marcotmm8102]

yaz 😂

[@imaanmohamed3522]

Looking at this comment I almost pissed myself fam

[@skullboneisthebest21]

Ghendouzi needs to see more of the bench...I cannot put my finger on it, but to me it seems he stifles the performances of other players.

[@solinho418]

Donovan Poole agreed sometimes he holds the ball way too much n loses the ball a lot more than xhaka tbh

[@topgunner31]

Overrated and no dribbles

[@mafikambokane919]

Overrated

[@omaryahya7258]

He needs a break. He is being overplayed

[@morganzimmerglass9925]

mafika mbokane most overrated player in arsenal history. It’s inane how he’s the only young player in arsenal history not to have to prove themselves in cups and Europa before prem. He just sucks in the prem every single week. Not developing at all. Getting worse and worse. His best game was the first game he ever played and that wasn’t even that good.

[@vadsgator78942]

Them picking scores for all them players is same as Arsenal's defence selection

[@silviutiplea7126]

The thumbnail is the perfect representation of AFTV. I love this channel.

[@redmist7018]

I love when only dt and troopz do player ratings. NO ONE ELSE

[@rohanabang6841]

Robbie brings the Big guns for the player ratings. 🙌

[@geraldoreid1201]

Ty: “At least we had two away goals”

[@footyfan328]

two "crucial" away goals

[@user-yv4nf8qp4u]

TY - If wenger manages this game we won of won

[@rakeshranjan8222]

Loved these ratings. DT and Troopz, together they rock!

[@man---like--shauney9711]

they are bellends.. all you people do is kiss their arses

[@rakeshranjan8222]

@@man---like--shauney9711 and all you people do is hate other people. World would be a nice place to live in without you guys!!

[@jaro5603]

Paul Tierney is the best English referee at the moment

[@kurtthompson3549]

He not they all shit

[@himanshugiri6380]

Mustafi backs off so so much that someday he might cross the by line and wouldn't even realise. He's absolutely petrified of making tackles

[@solinho418]

Can u blame him though ? Fans gave him a lot of stick for going into tackles tbh so now he's scared to put a challenge in

[@afootballfanforever]

Solinho you need to have mentality to play on that level. Tackling skills are not enough. Mustafi is weak minded and insecure...

[@jaygibbs732]

Willock was shocking as well

[@kaelomodikwa2554]

jay gibbs when did he ever perform

[@jaygibbs732]

@@kaelomodikwa2554 are you crazy bro Frankfurt he was our best player, tbh all the Europa league games he played and times when he got subbed on in the prem he drives the ball forward so diligently, he just had a bad game

[@kaelomodikwa2554]

jay gibbs so would you say he’s ucl quality?

[@Tf6629]

@@kaelomodikwa2554 hes only 20

[@Airyed]

No one mentioned he gave the ball away for the first goal and gave up tracking back

[@margaretgrant7098]

Mustafi must be the the quickest player at running backwards!!

[@yoloforlife8678]

😂

[@kylecortes]

Who's here that's not an arsenal fan and comes here to watch these fans talk about this club in shambles?

[@mv0921_]

Dam gona miss these ratings anyone herr still watch the old school ratings etc..?

[@MrTGJC]

Norwich fan here. I was surprised to see Ty walking back to the station by himself right at the end of the game - I thought he would have been with you guys?

[@moses1929]

I feel bad for him he gets mocked too much

[@CaPoniR6]

Did you actually see him? I thought he just went to home games

[@MrTGJC]

WanaRideMyPoni small guy head to toe in Arsenal merchandise - with Arsenal headphones around his neck

[@utopia9606]

im a subscriber from a faraway country, Korea i quite occasionally watch some of the vids from this channel to get some real local feedback of how local Arsenal fans think. And it's my first getting to know that Troopz and DT are two different people. i thought they were the same person. somehow, they look very alike to me lol

[@davecrawley4634]

SMH low key casual Korean racism.

[@trickshotmonkey]

Robbie wears a United jersey inside all of that Arsenal tops

[@chriswolfisawesome2534]

trickshotmonkey why would he? They’re WORSE than us

[@paladinomega3098]

@@chriswolfisawesome2534 that's like asking whether man'd step in cat shit or dog shit. You lot and United are both crap, impossible to say who's worse lmao

[@trickshotmonkey]

😄

[@Allahis1NoDoubt]

@@chriswolfisawesome2534 not true

[@chriswolfisawesome2534]

Mehboob Illahi it IS

[@aizzatnazran1910]

love it when troopz and dt are the ones doing the ratings

[@AbdulRashidYakubu]

How Willock gets "he worked hard" all the time beats me. Besides Mustafi, he was the worst player imho. Bad passing and bad positioning. Freddie looks good though. Hope he can turn the season

[@AbdulRashidYakubu]

@Wizard Of Doom crazy right? I actually rate AMN in midfield and of course Smith Rowe as much better prospects. I'm afraid the current fondness for Joe might drive them out of Arsenal like Malen, Gnabry etc

[@marcianusvalerius1992]

I fully agree. He can't hold on to the ball to save his life. It seemed like every time he received the ball, Norwich would regain possession. I don't see what Willock does. He looked horrendous. No technique whatsoever in his feet.

[@MorrisonNo8]

Amen 🙌🏾

[@omaryahya7258]

Willock isn't good enough

[@omaryahya7258]

@Keyser Soeze exactly!!! He isn't good enough for the first team

[@thecommonsensehub2096]

I love troopz face when Robbie made the mistake 😅😂😅😂😂😂

[@David1991.]

Leno saved the match

[@mohammedyeboah2615]

What's his job in the team?

[@xxx_shanklinarcade_xxx9984]

@@mohammedyeboah2615 His job is to make sure the team gets hot drinks after the game

[@mohammedyeboah2615]

@@xxx_shanklinarcade_xxx9984 lol

[@fjejejjrbskjwjw163]

Martinelli-auba-pepe Guenduzi(box to box) Torriera-xhaka Tierny-holding-sokratis-chambers

[@a1.ghost.]

Midfield way too defensive. Swap Guendouzi for Ozil or Ceballos

[@abdirahmanwarsame8643]

Xhaka box to box

[@fjejejjrbskjwjw163]

a1.ghost özil is the worst player at This club workrate 0

[@a1.ghost.]

@@fjejejjrbskjwjw163 My guy that's been disproved so many times. Last season he was consistently among the players who covered the most ground each game.

[@MrOitoyboy]

Who threw the snowball at Troopz?!

[@RalphieMuskinyaar]

“The boys wanted to give some confidence to the relegation teams” - TY

[@kay2382]

TY: we drew coz we knew united will draw too

[@fahadrahman1831]

The way how Troopz looked at the camera at 15:38 thinking is this brudda a secret Manutd fan?? hahahahaha

[@kaelomodikwa2554]

Sokratis and holding? And you want to compete for ucl? 😳😂

[@omaryahya7258]

That's laughable

[@dan1smusic540]

Better than Luiz and mustafi

[@Tank312]

Jim Silverbridge yea you can say that behind your keyboard but you won’t say it in his face. Battyboy

[@Tank312]

Kaelo Modikwa they are good aswell what about you who do you support (I bet this battyboy gonna say city or Liverpool just to catch me. Battyboy)

[@wivaspoudel998]

15:33 Highlight of the video. How can man say Solskjaer!!! It’s ‘The Legend’ , ‘The Invincible’ FREDDIE❤️

[@CC-po2tq]

Wivas Poudel 2-0

[@AnthonyPoetica]

Martinelli did more in 3 minutes than Willock did all game.

[@Stak.55]

Robbie with the Freudian slip. He knows how the Freddie experiment will end 🤣😂

[@ky-manigooner]

Ozil is too lightweight . He need some yard man food 😂

[@svamp4532]

He took your advice 😂

[@Darkraz]

Emery draws 2:2; emery out Freddie draws 2:2 in his first match ; great results

[@LG02380]

Send Willock and Saka on Loan, they're not ready unfortunately.

[@nevadadancer4629]

Indian Super League players.

[@reisssato902]

Willock has the most goals in midfield this season

[@ethanjeffers2059]

Reiss Sato 😂😂😂

[@JT-km6th]

@@reisssato902 not saying much for Arsenal is it tho?

[@marcomarin1196]

LG 92 you’re over reacting it was just a bad game, they’ve played well in other games this season

[@macm125]

Giving willock a 5 is criminal, he’s a good young player that can improve but today he had a poor game, you can tell from his body language he was tired and when he gave away the ball which led to the goal he didn’t track back. Id give him a 3

[@TJay96]

People shouldn't be so soft on Willock. He needed to go off... He didn't track back for both goals

[@Officialkingz1]

Not only that..His shit too!

[@CJ2727]

When you think Troopz is stoned, you are stoned

[@faisalruslan9727]

Just drop guendozi from starting lineup man, yeah he's the best player for us this season, but that causes the rest of team to perform badly cause we played they way that suits him, and that makes him looked good but at the cost of the whole team..thats my opinion.

[@reisssato902]

Finally somebody who can see the Guendozi conundrum. I don't understand why Arsenal are trying to build the midfield around this kid;

[@faisalruslan9727]

@@reisssato902 exactly, just take a look at last season when we had that bit of a run, guendozi wasn't in the 1st E

[@moses1929]

Guendouzi is over played i really like him but i see him play every game he needs a firm manager to go forward

[@DJLARONMUSIC]

I think part of our problem is trying to accomadate Auba and Laca .. in my opinion, we will have better results if we play Auba down the middle, Martinelli down the left and Pepe down the right ..Ozil in #10 ... .. I know it's a unpopular opinion, but we are a weakened team with Auba out wide

[@sanjayrpai]

Sven Mislintat was the guy we needed to get great talent to the club !!! great mistake to let him go :)

[@abdirahmanali7569]

Finally a player ratings with troopz AND DT after how long🙄🥰

[@man---like--shauney9711]

who cares... flipflop bellends.. they think their gangsters

[@Cheekyfast]

17:18 hahaha haha... HAHAHA HAHA!!!

[@Bholmes17]

You do realise solskjaer was the manager of united reverses for 4 years and coached pogba, lingard, pereira, rashford

[@mahadibrahim8836]

Famous 70 minutes substitutions

[@paxkahiga521]

That laugh at the end. That's what this family is all about!

[@1903JPG]

Troops looking mad bookey in the thumbnail.

[@madeiracake1537]

Still better looking than you!

[@reecejohnson6357]

Shaikul ! Means weird

[@kelvinjumah9788]

This has to be one of he best episodes done this year. It was honest, it was diverse and it was true representation of fan diversity.

[@CristoLeeGlover]

this is like Fifa, we have to play one of our ST on the wing so he's on 6 chem, doesn't work

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Christopher Martin In all honesty, why don't Arsenal play two up front. A 4-4-2 lol Sounds crazy enough to work

[@Aaronddsn]

I hope these guys go watch the game again on tv cause I dont know what they're watching at the game...

[@amalsharon3013]

Saka was a 0 he was dreadful when he came on absolutely not ready for the premier League

[@jw6871]

Bunny yo arsenal need to start him. He is a playmaker, im telling ya. I can see a big club buying him and arsenal losing another world class young star amirite dawg

[@amalsharon3013]

@@jw6871 Dude every big club looses young stars that's the sad reality , we've lost donyell malen ,bennacer who all couldn't get a chance because we usually buy players for the first team atm we are in deep trouble we have way too many good youngsters and realistically only 2 can get into the first team fold Reiss nelson, tyrece John jules,florian balogun ,sam greenwood ,eddie nketiah ,smith rowe,saka and martinelli how are we gonna find space for all of'em obviously half of them would have to leave to succeed this is the only con of having a brilliant youth system which does not have a direct path to the first team

[@mohammedyeboah2615]

Robbie kindly rate the ball boys , acknowledge me it's my initiative

[@jaygibbs732]

Xhaka got caught twice, a player just ran straight pass him and they nearly scored again two big mistakes 7 and 6 let people who was watching the game do the ratings man

[@Marcus-oy6up]

Like it or not, this was our best performance of the season! 6/10

[@reisssato902]

I agree, best 1st half of the season. 2nd half poor

[@BangBang-go2kw]

I don’t know why everybody rated emery in the beginning, he couldn’t take psg, P S G, past the last 16 in the champions league, fraud

[@saffron6661]

@Keyser Soeze doesn't really matter if you're lucky or not. you play what's infront of you. especially for a team like psg who have invested $165m for mbappe and $200m+ for neymar.(I get they werent emery era but still. if you want to be a top dog team you have to beat the top dogs. Real Madrid don't have 13UCL by fluke do they? they didn't win the UCL 3x under zidane by fluke did they?

[@JM-cf8zy]

Wolves fan just SUBSCRIBED really good channel and enjoy watching the videos and fans thoughts. This channel is growing on me.

[@mydancinglife730]

You must be enjoying your season. They are tough and fun to watch. Good team, congrats!

[@topsoccernews1400]

Yeah I was really disappointed with the timing of subs.. Took so long to make the subs yet we needed a goal

[@KingWelshy]

The good with Freddie is at least he acknowledged there's issues without the ball and he wants to work on that. The games coming fast, which makes the decision to keep Emery during international break even more annoying 😔

[@gxthegreat]

If Emery was at the wheel with the same lineup and subs, they will all give him ZERO... So irreliable

[@brohanime]

it's unreliable u uneducated dipshit

[@michaelsheridan6973]

Love the player ratings always best part of the day

[@freedomandliberty]

when the last time troopz and dt made a player ratings? suspect fc is back again!!

[@jonathaniglesias5669]

Troopz face when Robbie said Oles name 😂 also DT child is wild cute haha

[@paddydondada]

Xhaka made the mistake leading to Leno Save.

[@rakshithk711]

2 goals we conceded it was willock fault ...he gave away possession

[@Lost20048]

A 2 for the ref ? Impossible.They must be good friends.

[@Nob0dy420]

Who spunked on troopz is hood 😂.

[@ybone8709]

Emery

[@Dead88pool]

😂

[@ejleoz21]

NNN is over aswell

[@michaelfarojoye1618]

10/10 for Leno...BEST GOAL KEEPER IN ARSENAL'S HISTORY.

[@sonerali3047]

Xhaka 7 same as Aubamayang who worked hard and scored 2 goals, xhaka gave the ball away, failed with a simple pass to put auba in late on and he pulled out of a few tackles and a header. Dt,s love agenda with xhaka is embarrassing.

[@jamessetters8226]

Soner Ali you’re embarrassing

[@nevadadancer4629]

James Setter keep licking Xhaka's crack. Worst Arsenal midfielder I have ever seen.

[@peterkis8448]

Apparently we watched a different game because its nonsense that Xhaka gets a 7 and Guendouzi marked 4. What is wrong with you??! Guendu carried and distributed the ball so many times and made some nice moves around the box to attract some defenders, while Xhaka was invisible again, taking no responsibility. The two moments of Xhaka was when he gave away the ball before Leno had to make that incredible save and the other one was when he couldn't do a 5-meter pass in a dangerous counter-attack and ruined our chance to score..."best outfield player" ...I am sorry DT I love and respect both you and Robbie but you are completely wrong this time.

[@RepublicOfButter]

Chambers was dreadful cos he is covering for Mustafi dodgy defending

[@Aaronddsn]

What??? Did u even watch the game? Chambers was shit all on his own...both their goals are on him for being out of position...p

[@LG02380]

@@Aaronddsn dont forget willock

[@jfreeman5819]

Guendouzi turns into the ref when Arsenal are defending, tries his hardest not to interfere with play and loves waving his arms about.

[@Allez.6CL]

72 million pound flop is a dud

[@SmokeKinz]

captain klun He is 24. Give hime some time...

[@footballstats9127]

Yared P. he had his first good season at 24 in the french farmers league. he s a flop

[@anny-ei7kl]

And arsenals fans where trying to cuss zaha thinking Pepe is better 😂😂😂

[@anny-ei7kl]

H8erade9 Yh becuase there just a ediiiiat club

[@mydancinglife730]

Too early to tell, but you could be right. The question is why did they buy Pepe and Luiz when they could've spent that 80 mil on a quality CB, which is what they needed most. Makes no sense any way you look at it.

[@greatone4788]

Stop comparing Arsenal and Liverpool because Liverpool”s 3 are lethal and never give up unlike Arsenal”s front three

[@esamuel9731]

you guys scapegoat the wrong players ozil played ok there was an improvement by all the players especially xhaka the whole team is worth a 6

[@marceloapontem]

Xhaka??? What match did You watch? He Lost the ball several times . He was the worst

[@thearsenalmisfit2414]

Ozil was invisable as usual. He did nothing except keep Martinelli or Pepe who have both scored multiple times this season on the bench. He should not even be on the bench. I give him a 3.

[@afrimkozmaqi9410]

@@marceloapontem with ore without Xhaka Arsenal is an old joke,poor team hoppe they get relegated

[@amirmustafa8120]

For the next podcast, bring troopz on with dt to discuss the next arsenal manager. We wanna hear both their opinions

[@abhinavt8674]

Next month ... they'll be calling him Fraudie

[@SAMUEL91220]

Banter fc

[@loepesci5996]

It's got a nice ring to it

[@mydancinglife730]

Nope! Next month will know what a huge mistake the board made not putting Freddie in charge at the beginning of the last international break. We'd have at least six more points if they had.

[@0marM0hammed]

It's good to see troopz dt and Robbie together.. You have to do a show I reckons

[@patrickstewart9937]

Mate, Stevie Wonder is a better defender than Mustafi 🤣

[@abrarw99]

Kolasinac had a decent game. He did alright. There was hardly any play going from the left side anyway. We were mostly focusing on the right.

[@znq7885]

My only problem with Matteo is he needs to start taking one for the team take a yellow card ffs

[@moses1929]

He has 4 and did u see his rugby tackle

[@robertpearson510]

awesome luv the different opinions by the boyz

[@MisraRup]

These DTs, TROOPZs, ROBBIEs are fighting for 5 or 6. As if it matters! 😏😏🤣🤣

[@danielsostephen9529]

Ty “we need to stand behind the coach, he needs more time”

[@karannsyt]

15:35 Plot twist.

[@raisikcz4466]

In pre-season it was beautiful to watch Eddie play in front of Laca. I think Laca needs to try CAM under Auba.

[@quewinnichoslon9937]

Ty : Atleast we didn’t loose.

[@batmanbro5006]

So easy to tell these 2 aren’t as close as they use to be

[@SFP0181]

How about: Martineli Auba Pepe

[@joshuaguevara1309]

Liverpool’s front three can exchange positions because they can all beat a man with either pace or skill so on the wings they can still be effective Laca can’t play on the wings , Pepe isn’t starting, saka and Nelson aren’t ready yet. Auba still scores on the wing but his game is limited there

[@CJ-kq8je]

Team selection 💩 Substitutions 💩

[@Thekidd962]

I used to play centre back and I can tell you if your CB partner is shaky, it will affect your game. Maybe that's what's happened to sokratis when David luiz came