NOT BAD FOR A NUMBER TWO DRIVER! The Story of the 2010 British Grand Prix

At the Turkish Grand Prix in 2010, things got a bit frosty in the Red Bull garage as Mark Webber was implied to have caused the collision between himself and Sebastian Vettel that took Seb out the race and caused Webber to finish third with a busted car.
Then, at the British Grand Prix, more controversy as Red Bull decided to take a brand new front wing off Webber to give to Seb as his had given out through the new fast sweeper that is Abbey corner.
Then Webber won. So... All that was for nothing?
Let's have a look...
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[@MKJuk]

*that* glass of water.

[@lordwizrak1905]

“I think the team is happy with the result today.” **Table slams the glass** Classic Mark, miss that fella on the grid.

[@LethalJizzle]

That glass slam and Nico throwing the #2 hat back at Lewis are the most obscure iconic F1 moments.

[@tobiasz6613]

I liked and respected Mark Webber throughout his career until this race. After that, I loved him.

[@piglos]

These sorts of issues with Webber caused a lot of Aussie F1 fans to not trust Red Bull. So when Danny Ric went there, I was very wary and don't trust them until this day

[@MaxFromSydney1]

2014 was still a great year for Aussie F1 fans.

[@mignik01]

Then he left. How did that work out for him?

[@MrSniperfox29]

2010 and 2012, two of the best seasons ever (of the modern era) and in what people call "the Vettel dominated era" Shows you can be dominant and still have great seasons.

[@djdrastic1]

2012 ALO was sublime

[@solitaryclusterofneurons598]

Both great seasons. 2010 was the last *truly* great season imo; the last season without DRS or tyres designed to be shit, the last year before the FIA went full delulu.

[@gregd806]

Webber deserved a bit better at RB, but I didn't know how crazy that race was... Also 2010 was really that good at the time, eh?

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

Sums up Red Bull Racing #2 drivers in a nutshell, sadly

[@kben24]

Red Bull Racing’s public-image never recovered from this moment…

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

I knew Vettel hadn't led the points until AD, but I didn't know that nobody led after a win. That's just weird! Excellent story. More please!

[@peterelworthy4601]

Except for Rd1 at Bahrain when the winner (Alonso) was by default was championship leader, but yeah, I wasn't aware of that stat either.

[@caritzstahl1284]

Please do more on the 2010 season. Such an awesome year for F1. I remember watching it with my Dad and how gripped we were by it. Videos like this bring those good memories back up.

[@cowcocky]

You missed one punch up between team mates that is worth mentioning. That is Tony Longhurst belting Paul Morris at Winton Raceway after they crashed. Longhurst stormed over to Morris’s car and started throwing punches through his open window. Since Morris was wearing a full face helmet it didn’t do much.

[@markmurphy5639]

i was at this GP. the roar of the crowd when webber won was amazing, i was there from thursday so when fp1 was on. i heard what we now know to be the blown diffuser...

[@Lukeywoodsey]

I actually liked Red Bull through 09 and 10, but Turkey and this really changed my mind on the team and then Seb. Mark I always admired though

[@ahogg5960]

If you read Adrian Newey's book, he says something different. He said he asked Webber's engineer if they thought it was better than the old one. The engineer said it wasn't and Newey authorised taking it off Webber. Obviously Webber saw it differently (as the press conference showed) pulled an MJ, took it personally and beat Vettel straight up. Who's telling the truth? Who knows. I'm an Australian so I'm required by law to be a Webber fan but I can't see Newey lying in his own book about it

[@tomnewham1269]

Newey might be telling the truth but it still wasn't good for team morale. Obviously it was done to appease Vettel and keep him happy and stuff everyone on Webbers side of the garage. They did another similar thing in the season to appease Vettel. Webber was quicker than Vettel and Vettel couldn't work out why so RB told him there was a crack in his chassis and they swapped or gave Vettel a new chassis. I cannot remember which it was and if I remember correctly the 'cracked' chassis is the one Mark Webber owns as part of his contract he was to be given a race car. He destroyed his when he done the flip when he collided with a car that he was passing.

[@M1ggins]

I remember during practice Brundle talking about the new wing before either got damaged and how Vettel raved about it, but Webber didn't rate it. I never respected Webber afterwards, and later his multi 21 whining after he'd tried his best to ignore a similar order at Britain, justifying it with 'we might've been going for a win' just confirmed it.

[@ianyoung1106]

It wasn’t known at the time, but Webber raced most of that season with a broken shoulder. After doing the previous season with a rod holding his leg together, it was clear that he had more grit than the pampered princess. Quite the statement drive, not to mention the statement to sign off with.

[@fredericktennant9151]

Good memories and an answer to all the people who don't think that Redbull is a one driver team

[@TheRip72]

The Turkey incident turned them into a 1 driver team. I do not blame them at all but it annoys me to hear people claim otherwise.

[@greenthumb6971]

Reminds me of Mark’s Top Gear interview

[@captaintoyota3171]

Dont give much weight to ppl calling out "stuff u missed" they couldnt write a script to save their lives. Also just anyone critizing you in a demeaninh way. Own your mistakes, your genetics and F the haters

[@Corbytown75]

I was at Rockingham in 2011 when Neal and Plato had that thing. Lewis Hamilton was also there watching his brother Nick in the Clio Cup, and I met Ben Collins who by then had outed himself as The Stig. A good day!

[@marklittle8805]

Webber was just the first Red Bull number 2 to find out the team didn't want two equal drivers. And Webber more than anyone was capable of racing Vettel on the same level. It is tough when your team doesn't want you to maximize your potential

[@hoedenbesteller]

Show me one team that really REALLY wants both drivers to be equally good... and it is also not possible, even if they would be twins..

[@Gorillas1300]

@@hoedenbesteller > McLaren_88

[@Gorillas1300]

Merces - 2016

[@Mlaargaar]

@@hoedenbestellerMcLaren with Prost and Senna.. Ferrari with Mansell and Prost… McLaren with Hamilton and Alonso(they knew how good Hamilton was.. he was never gonna play second fiddle).. there’s PLENTY more examples.

[@carlosbarton763]

@@hoedenbesteller Lauda and Prost at McLaren, the gold standard for me

[@saintuk70]

Spent a warm, sunny, and slightly hungover day that Sunday. Race might not have been the most exciting - but who cares I was sitting at Stowe and it was my 40th.

[@TheBrummi10]

Always was a Webber fan, that win was probably the sweetest to witness as a Webber fan

[@overvieweffect9034]

I think a video on the 2010 championship battle as a whole could be reslly interesting, especially with all the lead changes

[@AlexHM93]

I actually watched this race and when Webber came over the radio saying “not bad for a number 2 driver” I was like ooo okay

[@LethalJizzle]

1:20 never let this Jenson picture die

[@LFC4LIFEJEDI]

Redbull totally screwed Webber

[@TheRip72]

That is a valid way of looking at it. They decided that their best chance of having a world champion was to back 1 driver & stick with him throughout the season. They chose Vettel.

[@philipbain]

This was the one and only F1 Grand Prix that I have ever attended, because I was there I was blissfully unaware of the narrative between Webber & Vettel until I re-watched the race when I got home!!

[@Aeropunk08]

Vettel vs Webber at Turkey, Verstappen vs Ricciardo at Baku... Red Bull hasn't changed.

[@TwentyNinerR]

Don't forget Verstappen vs Pérez at (IIRC) Sao Paulo last year

[@jackfarr3133]

I was at this race at Maggots/Becketts, I remember the cheer that went up when Vettel got a puncture lmao, And also that this was Ferrari's worst race of the season (F).

[@deanothemanc5281]

Great stuff, was fortunate to meet Mark at a speedway meeting years ago, really nice bloke. Hes a proper motorsport fan, bikes as much as cars.

[@beefsuprem0241]

Reminds of that time Hamilton gave nico the 2nd place cap in the chill out room pre podium and he flung it back at him😂😂

[@stemartin6671]

"Multi 21 Seb, Multi 21" 😂

[@robdimambro1674]

This was the moment Webber became Heisenberg.

[@iannorton4463]

You absolutely did a good job fella. I wish would do a 30+ minute f1 story. You have a gift of explanation while telling the story. I have enjoyed everything f1 that you have done. ✌️👍🇬🇧

[@pilotlasse]

3:47 I still remember that moment vividly. I watched it live on Dutch tv (RTL7 had the broadcasting rights at the time). You name that incident and I can hear Olav Mol going "Daar komt Sebastian Vettel, NEE, SUKKELS" Translated to English, he essentially shouted "No, idiots" or something to that effect.

[@LJW1912]

Damn I was as quick as Villeneuve at Melbourne '97 to this one

[@TheBaldMiddleAgedMetalHead]

How can this be 13 years ago 😭😭

[@lucybarney1]

Vettel moved over on Webber beyond doubt

[@michaelsanturri2553]

I have been rewatching the 2010 series and just watched this race for the first time about 4 days ago. Could not have asked for better timing on this one. Added so much color to an otherwise great race.

[@PuffTM]

this was the season my dad introduced me to F1 and I always remember him for the glass of water and one of his tires flying off at a pit stop (i think it was malaysia but i don’t remember exactly) and hitting a cameraman

[@mickcompagnoni1114]

Fuji 2009, Turkey 2010, Sepang Multi21, Catalunya - Max's 1st win, Baku... All these & many more show Red Bull completely disrespecting Australians. I refuse to give Red Bull any of my money until Horner apologizes publicly to Webber, so I'm betting I'll be keeping my money. *Note to Danny Ric* Go to Ferrari asap.

[@King_Ears]

And people wonder why RB are hated. They treat people like shit

[@carlosbarton763]

The Roman Empire of Formula 1

[@espenbaklid3178]

Red Bull stated before the season that their drivers were equal, which was suspected bs after Turkey, and confirmed bs by the British GP. Webber also stated in his biography that right after the race in Turkey, Horner made diplomatic statements and avoided pointing fingers on any of the drivers, while Helmut Marko pointed the finger at Webber from the beginning - and then Horner suddenly joined Marko, leaving Webber to question who were really calling the shots at Red Bull

[@henkormel5610]

Just little fun facts i like. Iv'e seen some older vids (two years old) and you come a long way, congrats!

[@brokentuskclan1795]

It'lll soon be the 20th anniversary of Alonso's last championship which is mental.

[@IanRB26]

Speaking of drivers not top of the standings until the last race, Kimi in 07? (Yes he was on top at the first race) When Mclaren couldn't give him a title while he was with them , but ironically kinda handed him the title when he *wasn't* with them. Would be nice to see a video on that season.

[@minibus9]

awesome video, 2010 was indeed a great season

[@roysoutdoorlife]

How can this be 13 years ago? I remember it so well! Time really does fly...

[@raptor1672]

Webber touching that white line in Korea still makes me sad.....

[@Clappinghambloke1998]

First Grand Prix that I attended what lovely memories of that very Hot Day 12 Year Old me was in awe of seeing his favourite sport in person was at the BRDC Clubhouse (lucky me) as my Stepmother’s Brother is Ian Khan and yes even I appeared on TV during the Red Button Show when it was on Auntie Beeb by gatecrashing and waving to the Camera.

[@DanielNavas1]

I remember a Beyond the Grid episode where TC spoke with Horner. According to him, Weber didn't like the feeling of the new wing and asked to get the old one. Seb asked to try it and the rest is history.

[@AidanMillward]

Horner could tell me the sky is blue and I’d have to look out my window to check.

[@ioni6x]

@@AidanMillward why should this not be the case? Webber was faster with the old one.

[@AidanMillward]

@@ioni6x hindsight is amazing 😅

[@JimalTemus]

@@AidanMillward Funny, I was having pretty much this same conversation today, with people saying that Webber "reportedly" said that he preferred the old wing.

[@MattBolyan]

Newey has said the same thing.

[@cmajaa1]

I remember that season and always thought Webber was a better racer than Vettel and more fun to watch.

[@davewarren4807]

Why did I watch this? Probably because Aiden is one of the best F1 content creators, but god you made me feel old, when saying this was nearly 15 years ago. 🤣

[@JohnSmithShields]

Christine Horner always knew how to read the room.

[@andyfletcher7535]

Great time in f1. V8. Light weight cars. No kers that season. Brilliant racing

[@polycube868]

No KERS or DRS, and tires that weren't trash.

[@hugeiftrue4224]

There were kers that season

[@andyfletcher7535]

@hugeiftrue4224 Kers came in 2009 but teams agreed that 2010 they wouldn't use them until designed properly

[@hugeiftrue4224]

@@andyfletcher7535Ferrari and McLaren ran Kers

[@andyfletcher7535]

@hugeiftrue4224 in 2009 they did . 2010 no one ran kers. Google it. It came back in 2011

[@julianostadlmann]

Best season of f1 I watched going into final race with 5 drivers that could mathematically become WC.

[@Lazbotable]

David Coulthard and Michael Schumacher Belgium 1998.

[@Bezza49]

First race I ever went to

[@corpsecoder_nw6746]

How on earth did 1) Rosberg drag that Mercedes to the podium a couple of times in 2010? 2) Alonso turn around such a mid-season deficit to lead comfortably after Korea (unreliability and incidents for Vettel and Hamilton respectively)? What a crazy season.....we need something like that again.

[@KrikkitWarlord]

I was there, talk about a boring race to watch trackside! :D

[@M1ggins]

I remember watching practice and Brundle mentioning how much Vettel raved about the new wing and how Webber wasn't impressed by it at all. Lost all respect for Webber after he kicked up such a stink.

[@eamonahern7495]

I remember it well

[@sultanabran1]

this was my favourite season, but also the most painful from korea onwards.

[@SturdivantRacing126]

"I don't know what Massa was trying to achieve.", explains the man's entire career.

[@bananahammock334]

OMG He forgot some fights!

[@Aaaaaaandrew]

7:28 Driver's Standings after 2013 European GP. 2013...?

[@AidanMillward]

Had 2013 on the brain cos of the car I drove. Ooops.

[@jimscarlett]

Red Bull crapping on their second driver....traditions. I had totally forgotten that no points leader won a race that year!

[@King_Goat_JJ]

The Korean race hurts just that little bit more after the season Webber had. Alonso in the post race interviews was fuming & was asked about his title chances. He said something along the lines I'm gonna win this championship, some journalists laughed him out of the building

[@solitaryclusterofneurons598]

I thought Webber was the better driver of the two back in 2010 and I still believe the same today. Vettel's a nice guy don't get me wrong, but he can't cope unless EVERYTHING is going his way, the 4 time champion couldn't even hold a candle to his then-amateur team mate at Ferrari which didn't shock me at all. Much like Hamilton at McLaren, Vettel was the first of Red Bull's young driver programme so of course Red Bull was going to favour him otherwise their programme will look shit. Webber on the other hand has bags of mental strength even if his whole team is against him which that weekend proved, and was one of the last mohicans of drivers along with the likes of Button, Alonso, Raikkonen, Massa etc who didn't have manufacturer backing their entire lives with all the professional management, facilities and training you could dream of; just a father, a son, a dream, and a sponsor leaving their destiny to their own hands. Young Driver's programmes are too OP and exclusive for a driver like that to make it ever again. I know today's drivers are objectively better driving skill wise than drivers of previous generations, but there's something about figuring out your own path for yourself, taking hardships damn-near alone, and the intrinsic confidence that brings that just isn't there in the current crop, which inherently makes them less relatable. But I get it, winning is winning.

[@Joshuaricciardoracing]

I was at this race

[@mickcompagnoni1114]

Imagine how hard Webber will laugh when Piastri takes the Title from Max.

[@Evarakeus]

Piastri will have to be better than Norris, first

[@annettecurtain7123]

This was my first grand prix, stood against the fence at maggots

[@simontravers2715]

You should get “I haven’t forgotten any!” on the back of a shirt Aiden, your memory’s like Ferrari:Minardi compared to mine! Ruddy Brain Fog….

[@samupton7654]

McLaren had done that at the end of 89 but not at beginning

[@JJfan48]

As a newer fan of the sport. I’ve only seen Webber being portrayed as an early member of the team, nothing special. It’s nice to hear him being relevant and having personality

[@Jackbyrne77]

The stat at the beginning of the video is not right. At the beginning of ‘89 Senna was the ‘88 champion and Prost was the ‘85 and ‘86 champion. Senna wasn’t new to the team in ‘89’ though of course either like Button was to McLaren. Can’t think of a comparable circumstance actually.

[@Dwh-h]

Imagine if checo said not bad for a number 2 driver, I think jos verstappen would deck him

[@jeremydunbar4394]

Have done a story time with rosberg and hamilton and what started the stong rivalry at Mercedes if there was tipping point that made it start

[@Pablo668]

Was this the season in which Weber put his car into rundown mode or whatever it was called, while leading the race in the last lap or two, as per team orders, and then Vettel in second zipped past him, contrary top team orders? And Weber was visibly pissed at Vettel when they were in the room just before the podium? I remember him pointedly saying to Vettel, multi 21! The team order Vettel ignored.

[@TheRip72]

It was. "Multi 21" was earlier, in Malaysia.

[@Pablo668]

@@TheRip72 thx for that.

[@sergeantsupreme4395]

That was 2013 I believe

[@Trivaldo99]

Not sure about your Senna/Prost ‘89 comment - unless you count Adelaide ‘89 of course

[@johnelliott7850]

Always thought Webber was an under-valued driver.

[@johnyossarian1135]

Everyone acts like Webber wasn't a schemer himself. He had a big part to play in Wilson not getting a full time jaguar drive so he's not exactly a pure racer who wasn't cut out for politics like his fans claim. Vettel simply out politiced him and he got salty

[@ianyoung1106]

What, by blowing Wilson into the weeds? It was the same for Antonio Pizzonia - twice!

[@simontravers2715]

Never won while leading in 2010, has any other season had that stat!?

[@King_Ears]

Jesus, nearly 14 years ago. I was in my 20s still then 😭

[@mcbeaulieu]

I was on the verge of turning 24, I feel you 😅😭😭

[@AidanMillward]

I was 19 kekw

[@xTwistedx2xInsanityx]

I was there at this race with my mum and still to this day i think its the biggest f u ever given on live tv without a bleep needed

[@jigabigalu]

14 mins of my life ill never get back

[@AidanMillward]

Could have switched off at any time. This one’s on you.

[@jigabigalu]

@AidanMillward I was hopeful the video would get better;). I was wrong

[@sergeantsupreme4395]

​@@jigabigaluwaffler

[@ieuanharries429]

5k more subscribers till we get the Roberto Moreno Story time

[@jsma9999]

"Not bad for 2 Driver". Webber won the race.

[@FormulaHispania]

I think you made a mistake putting 2013 in 7:30

[@alc-d4163]

2:20 Were Renault forced to sell their majority share as a result of the Crashgate scandal? Hence why the team was called Lotus Renault, even though it Lotus was just a sponsor, yet wasn't a factory Renault team?

[@Mrmayhembsc]

This was of the moments for why I dislike red bull. I still think mark webber could have won in 2010 if it hadn;t been for horner.

[@cosmostrek512]

ferrari gifted vettel the champ. alonso had the lead in the champ, all he had to do was to follow vettel and pit with him. the great ferrari strategy department had him pit and follow webber. he got stuck behinf the russian driver could not pass. gave him the finger after the race. this race began the downfall of f1. drs was indroduced because of this race. there has not been a real pass since drs. webber is good journeyman driver.

[@dukedub]

2010 was the last year f1 was exciting to watch

[@Lukeywoodsey]

2012?

[@Mlaargaar]

That’s your opinion. 2012, 2016, and 2021 were also great years too.

[@RapideWombaticus]

Australian Drivers are the Best 🎉

[@EddieVanAidan]

2010 was magic (until Abu Dhabi, most disappointing title showdown of all time)

[@F-Man]

Webber - 2010 WDC.

[@MrSniperfox29]

He would have been, had he not put it into a wall in Korea, can't blame Red Bull for that one

[@AidanMillward]

When Webber was closer to being champion than Leclerc ever has.

[@F-Man]

@@AidanMillward Cluck LeChuck.

[@barcafan94]

​@@AidanMillwardIt shows how much the car means in modern F1.

[@AidanMillward]

@@barcafan94 it’s ALWAYS been that way.

[@jacekatalakis8316]

So Mattt Neal tried the Alex Tagliani/Paul Tracy fighting methods from five years before that in San Jose. That's another fight that will never not be funny. The fact CBS or whoever it was at the time let the curses slide right on by and you had a furious Tags going what the fuck, you broke my fucking car, live on network TV, and wanting to get a piece of PT (justified ad PT had rejoined and took out Tags and got called out for it by Derek Daly) will never not be funny to me. Derek Daly and the crew even referenced it in Denver when PT and Seabass collided. Paul, keep your helmet on, swiftly followed by don't do anything stupid, you are on probation. Paul later played this up in Montreal and went for a time, or the second time in three years, pure epic, epic, heel. See his 2003 season or flashes of being a heel, especially the round, Portland I believe, where he just went full on heel and still lost to Fernandez. See also the 2002 NHRA fight between Doug Herbert and Clay Millican for a third one that is always hilarious at the time but tinge with sadness due to what both went through, but to hear both narrate what led up to the fight is just awesome. As Clay puts it, he got shoved aroun, Doug got a cool nickname (that of Dougzilla)

[@angusfender9]

Hey bro. If you feel it, fancy doing a story on the dodge viper? You know… I have many many photos I’ll give you for free ;)

[@sleebanger]

webber threw the 2010 championship away. it was easily his to win.

[@ronsmith6041]

Ferrari helped with the KARMA, asking Vettel to move over for a much faster team mate, than sacking him. LOL.

[@kitko33]

Let's face it... Webber was a midfielder who happened to be in Red Bull. The fact that he never finished a runerup as Vettel was pocketing titles is telling.

[@ioni6x]

Webber had the same problem that Perez has, He thinks he is verry good but dosent have the car than he gets a verry good car and cant see that he is not that good against his upcomig teammate who is a generation Talent. Then they start accusing the team but dont see their own problems, webber did not even win a race prior to redbull. In this time he lucked out but its not that he did an impressive performance for the most part.

[@macnahamic]

Those are two different cans of worms. When Perez joined RB, Max already established himself, he learned what he needed to challenge LH. Perez on the other hand was finally given a competitive car that he first had to learn to tame. Webber had been part of RB prior to Vettel even being in the sport. Vettel was therefore purely relying on his talent, while Webber relied on his experience both over the years as a whole and during his tenure at RB. Those two very different situations make for a poor comparison. Webber vs Vettel is closer to Vettel vs Ricciardo or Ricciardo vs Verstappen, than Verstappen vs Perez will ever be.

[@l1a146]

You are kidding right. No he never won, but up until that stage he had been in Minardi, Jaguar and then Williams just in time for them to hit a low point. He put in some Giant killing performances in those shit boxes. If he would only have done what Briatore wanted and gone to Renault, he may well have had some of Alonsos success. Even the Red Bull wasnt that great in the Early Years when he went there. Even then He had a couple of races in the bag and shit went wrong (like Vettel slamming into the back of him in the wet). Once the RB started to come good, Vettel turned up and was obviously the golden boy. Blind Freddy could see that. I think the team had quite a shock when Webber was able to take it to him at a point when he was probably past his prime. Webber was a gritty tough bastard who deserved better.

[@tomnewham1269]

Webber has stated that Vettel is a better driver than him and he has said the same about Ricciardo so I don't know where you got the idea that Webber thinks he is a great driver. He has also stated he was only capable of winning one world championship which he nearly did. In the later years failed to adapt to the Pirelli tyres due to the fact they would degrade quite quickly compared to the Bridgestones that he mainly raced on in the majority of his F1 career. Webber admitted that he struggled on the slower corners while Vettel has stated that Webber was always quicker than him through fast corners. Like Webber himself said, not bad for a Number 2 driver.