I am not a "Cyclist" (and most Dutch people aren't either)

[@NotJustBikes]

Thank you to the people who provided me with clips for this video: Right toBikeIt: kzbin.info/door/z-X_OUAMG21cFY-IDB7H9Q Tom the Cyclist: kzbin.info Ollie Cycles: twitter.com/Ollie_Cycles Jack Fifield: twitter.com/jackfifield Warren Huska: facebook.com/warren.huska Glen Gunter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mouumqSVh6uHpLc So many of these videos were provided from all over the US, Canada, the UK and Ireland. My heart was racing after watching them, and I wasn't even there in person. It's absolutely shocking that this is considered acceptable behaviour by so many people.

[@paxundpeace9970]

Thanks For Fake London.

[@Paul_C]

Just view them as a fietser. Case closed. 😉

[@Robbedem]

Wait, the car was the fastest in Brussels for you? That's somewhat unusual...

[@NotJustBikes]

@@Robbedem Not really. If you don't work for the EU, many employers are in the suburbs. My wife worked in Grimbergen, and then in Vilvoorde. I worked in Louvain-la-Neuve.

[@Robbedem]

@@NotJustBikes ah, ok. I wouldn't consider Louvain-la-Neuve as part of Brussels. Anyway, what did you think of Louvain-la-Neuve? It's kind of an experimental university city from the 70's. And we wen't their on a school trip.

[@collinshen3808]

The teacher who was literally murdered by a driver who got away with it just because he was on a bike instead of in a car is inhumanely saddening. Thank you for bringing light to this.

[@NotJustBikes]

I was so angry when that happened. I didn't know him, but I knew people who did, and it was infuriating to see him dismissed as a "scofflaw cyclist". Thanks for the SuperThanks!

[@FightMilk82]

That tragic story of the teacher who was killed by a car biking to work reminds me of something that happened here in Vancouver, Canada. A cyclist was killed on the Burrard bridge because there were no separated bike lanes. But rather than doing nothing and blaming the cyclist, the city actually removed two entire lanes of traffic from the bridge and replaced them with separated walking and cycling lanes on both sides. It’s now part of one of the most used bike routes in the city.

[@TheMythicalAce]

Vancouver is not only located in the most geographically beautiful place in the world (maybe I'm just biased because I love the Pacific Northwest), but it's one of the more forward-thinking North American cities in regards to urban planning. The city may not be perfect, but at least Vancouver is doing its best to provide alternatives to driving and to single-family homes.

[@Ebakyza]

It's sad that someone had to die to draw attention to this situation but nice to hear that the city made an effort to prevent accidents like this. It is quite surprising as finances are usually handled with more priority than human lives.

[@appletree13]

@@TheMythicalAce I mean, zoning (and housing prices) are still pretty bad though. But we're working on it. edit: sorry for the ping btw

[@treesie9760]

cycling person 😉

[@comdrive3865]

@@Ebakyza that's how anything gets done. Usually there's alerady concern but nothing gets done. then A death makes headlines, and suddenly something is finally done, the money comes out of nowhere.

[@meneeRubieko]

Fun fact about Dutch kids: As a 12 year old Dutch kid when I transitioned from primary to high school I had to cycle like 14km to the next village. But if you timed it right you would end up in this massive chain of cycling teenagers all going to the same school, sometimes over 200 kids cycling on ‘grandma bikes’ way to big for them with an oversized backpack hanging on their asses hahhaa Good times

[@unleashedontheglobe]

That's so cute 😍

[@vnixned2]

Good lord yes, those packs were annoying as fuck, they were so slow ... And they never moved to the side if you rang. I always had to shout profanities to get them to move over and let me pass. (I needed to be quicker since I was always running late)

[@cat-bu5ky]

Yes this is definitely me everyday! They all pile up at the stoplights at around 8 am. Cue the motorcycles trying to get past them and aggresive elders who want to do their grocery shopping at the same time kids go to school.

[@lehwSwBp]

That's must be very interesting to see and experience

[@TregMediaHD]

I see it on the daily ..these kids ride. 25 k either way .. it's awesome to see

[@mugwump242]

As a librarian in the USA, it's frustrating that such a notable portion of the population feels "public libraries are for kids" the same way you here describe North Americans feeling that "bikes are for kids." I know, this thought is not strictly in keeping with your topic. But it's a cultural parallel I'm compelled to point out. Love your videos. Thank you.

[@quiquito87]

I remember visiting a friend in the Netherlands, and seeing what I thought was “cyclists” doing “dangerous” things like turning without looking or not wearing a helmet. I know that these actions would get a cyclist killed pretty quickly in just about any country. But my friend was driving so carefully whenever near a cyclist and I asked him how they could be so reckless. He replied that in the Netherlands EVERYONE cycles, so when you’re driving, you remember that tomorrow that could be you on the bike, so you’re careful and always give them priority. I have fully taken on board that philosophy, and whenever I’m driving behind a bike I always drive and act how I’d like a car to act if I was on the bike. It’s how everyone should drive. Also, what the hell Canada, get it together!

[@dontbelieveeverythingyouth8173]

It's often said amongst the "cycling" community that one should ride a bicycle for a month before getting their license

[@BlueUncia]

This is all true, but there's also another aspect to it: in the Netherlands by law, if you hit someone with your car who isn't also driving a car, you are held at least 50% accountable for the accident. This means you are legally responsible for at least 50% of the damage and/or injury you caused, even if technically they ran into you. Of course sometimes it really isn't the car driver's fault, and it can be a hassle to prove it. My mother once had a scooter driver slam into her car, while she was standing still and waiting to turn into a driveway. She hadn't moved at all, there were multiple witnesses who also saw this, and even the scooter driver admitted it. The insurance company did believe her, but fighting it was deemed too much of a hassle, so they just paid out. Even so, I think this law has been a net positive for road safety, and it's a contributing factor for why people in cars pay close attention to people on bicycles. Next to the thing you mentioned, of course. ;-)

[@mitchlec8916]

Cyclists should still look before turning, it's safe practice. So yeah it is dangerous lol it's like crossing the street without looking.

[@ExitiumNL]

I truly don't understand the mindset of people not thinking like that and using rolling coal to harass 'cyclists'. I don't mean you, your question was a valid one, but people passing bikes so close they're (almost) hitting them, etc. We have a lot of cyclists here in the Netherlands and the word doesn't have any negative ring to it here (except maybe in Amsterdam), probably because it's so common. That's also the reason we don't wear helmets here for example, everybody knows how vulnerable you are while riding a bike, so everyone keeps their distance and adjusts their speed. I really don't understand why it's not like that in other countries. Everybody should be able to figure out that a helmet is not gonna save a cyclist while being rear ended by a car, so everybody should be able to figure out that they need to be a bit more careful. It's not just for bikes either, I also adjust speed while driving if I see a kid on the sidewalk unattended, when I encounter someone horse riding (just let your car roll and give them as much space as possible), etc. It's simply common sense.

[@mitchlec8916]

@@ExitiumNL I believe the big issue with other countries like here in Ontario is that we didn't build the infrastructure for cycling. So instead of building the infrastructure they announced a few years ago that cyclists can now use public roads and can no longer use the sidewalk. Using the sidewalk for biking has become illegal here lol... The problem is that cyclists cannot keep up with the rate of traffic which creates congestion and is the reason why so many motorists get frustrated and angry. As we all know, motorists always leave last minute so they're constantly rushing around being unsafe of their surroundings. The infrastructure for cyclists is slowly building up but it's such a risk for them using public roads because the amount of dumb motorists around here is uncanny..

[@burakalpyasar9711]

Once in Netherlands, I checked the Google maps to go to a point. It said bus for 20 minutes, car for 25 minutes, Bike for 12 minutes. This is so dope. I wish every city has bike lanes, biking is awesome for getting everywhere in the city.

[@naverilllang]

I have an ebike instead of a car. Cost$1600. In insurance alone it pays for itself in under a year. Cons: so many drivers are fucking idiots, holy shit. Luckily, it turns out negotiating with insurance companies is easy when the damages are less than that person's deductible.

[@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr]

People in my city hate bike lanes they see them as a waste when the city public transport is complete collapsed, It's so annoying hear them complain since we have literally no means to move through the city besides cars and just few buses, even though it's faster to travel in bike than bus, for real travel times are like the half.

[@craftgames1882]

Lol. For my route to school it is bike 4 minutes, car 20-25 minutes, bus/tram 45 minutes, walking 25 minutes.

[@bugrilyus]

Kanka nasıl gittin oraya

[@diehardpizza7107]

once? thats everywhere i go lmao

[@fedorboendermaker1536]

If you are a teenager in the Netherlands and you get invited to a party, everyone expects you to come by bicycle. How else would you get your drunk ass home at 3 AM??

[@shersmk90]

or student, because many might have a driving license, many are too broke to own a car.

[@ancientseraph6111]

@@worthlessdollar1 I didn't think FOX News watchers would be redirected to this channel. (S)troll on, my man.

[@wistals3deniks]

@@worthlessdollar1 Are you trying to make people angry or are you trying to make people pity you? If it's the latter: good job!

[@ERT_Timo]

@@worthlessdollar1 the Netherlands a islamic country?

[@Mrjablin]

@@ERT_Timo hmmm never got that memo

[@moonstruck8245]

Those 'rolling coal' modifications should be illegal. There is no constructive or productive reason for them, they are purely destructive.

[@Attaxalotl]

They **are** illegal in most places

[@fanasful]

​@@Attaxalotl Which is probably why the modification can be so expensive, I guess.

[@JoJoJet100]

it's hard to enforce since they keep them off most of the time

[@luc6284]

As a native Dutchie, I am shocked of this culture in North America. I knew cycling was not quite as safe there, and that cities are very car-centric. But actual road rage and discrimination against ''cyclists''? Most ridiculous thing I've heard all day

[@puffcatco]

I know right? It's one of the stupidest fucking things I've heard in a while. the fact that the police wouldn't even bother to investigate what exactly lead to this event of a person being killed, just because their Transportation device is being shadowed away by some cultural related stereotype. May the man who got rammed in the back rest in peace, and I hope that the "pigs" got booted from their job.

[@jayteegamble]

Yeah and you pretty much always have to ride someplace not made for bikes. You have to be a much stronger and more courageous to ride here than in Nederland (where i've also cycled extensively). One thing that was annoying was that the Dutch had a strong superiority complex towards me wrt cycling because i'm an American. Which is ridiculous as pretty much nobody i rode with in the Hollands could do my daily commute. You guys have it on easy mode lol

[@ruiter939]

@@jayteegamble more or less an stereotype I gues, since most American's cant or refuse to get on a bike. shapes the image that they suck at it. while the only problem is the infrastructure. less car centric would increase the bicycle rates allot.

[@jayteegamble]

@@ruiter939 Well right but I was clearly riding a bike. I spent my vacation riding across South and North Holland. I didn't have any problem with the "you can't bike" attitude being directed towards AMERICANS, I had a problem with it being directed against ME. Especially as I was a much stronger rider than nearly everyone I interacted with.

[@ruiter939]

@@jayteegamble yea thats just plain dumb indeed -.- thats like saying to an airline pilot that he cant fly.

[@Carsonist]

"spokes-person" would be a good name for a bicycle activist.

[@neyneybuteytey]

nice

[@matthewfourie3702]

Nice

[@uniworkhorse]

NICE

[@paulbaltazarrr]

Nice

[@clementine_awesomeness]

Lol

[@RickLubbers]

As a Dutch person I never noticed that I wasn’t a cyclist until a Romanian became a colleague of mine, and he was very enthusiastic to be cycling here with his new sporty bike costing well over 2k euro’s. He thought he was ‘joining the club’ of all these Dutch cycling enthusiasts, but instead was awaited by an office full of cheap Dutchies riding their sub-100 euro second hand bikes every day. Nobody cared about the cost of their bike, nobody saw themselves as an enthusiast or a ‘cyclist’. (This was also the point at which we noticed Dutch people tend to brag how cheap something was, or rather what a great deal they got, than brag how expensive their stuff is. Seems to be a cultural thing...)

[@NotJustBikes]

Yes, one of my wife's coworkers (an adult, with a high-paying job) bragged for weeks when he bought a an opafiets for €20 from some old widow was getting rid of the belongings of her late husband.

[@InWeCome]

The Dutch government and company i work for paid 40% of my 1000 euro bike through tax exempts! I also have a cheap bike but when you cycle every day it makes sense to me to get something high quality that rides well. I'm sure it will last me at least 5 years without problems whereas a cheap bike may need repairs every year.

[@steffidoc]

That’s very interesting. I sometimes visit the Netherlands, as I live in Germany not far from the border. It‘s wonderful to see everybody on their bikes and I always wondered, what kind of bikes you Dutch people like to buy. I wondered, if everyone goes to the store and buys an 800 Euro city bike? It’s good to know, that you enjoy riding a cheap second hand bike every day.

[@benbaartman7511]

@@steffidoc , I have always had a bike, as quite usual in The Netherlands. As you might know, most of the Dutch people have one; the short rides, for the way back home after drinking, for the many places where parking a car is way too expensive... but my bike has never ever been more expensive than about €100,-. Just a second hand. If you maintain it well, you can use it for many years. Just as you mentioned: why buy a brand new €800,- one? ;) So if you come to The Netherlands, and you probably do since you are our closeby neighbour: please bring any bicycle available. Cheap, expensive, ugly, colourful, way too old.... it is all fine and it surely will fit among the other bikes, haha!

[@SolarizeYourLife]

No not another douchebag road cyclist.... They think they are above all bike riders...

[@merilahna]

never knew the word "cyclist" had so much baggage in the anglophone world, just assumed its another word for someone who currently happens to be riding a bicycle. this really was one of those "faith in humanity lost" kinds of videos

[@jasonreed7522]

I've only know "cyclist" to mean the people who are wannabe professional speed bikers who go all in on everything and are generally weird. I only call normal people riding bikes "bikers" since thats is the hazard to me as a driver. Sometimes i question the particular road they are on because i personally wouldn't want to bike down it, but I don't hold any spite for them. Then again I'm also from a small town where nobody questions a biker on the sidewalk (because who want to be in the street, especially with children) and it isn't much of a hazard since bikers can go slowly and respectful and the sidewalk isn't crowded. (Again small town) we also have a "bike path" on the edge of town where the only rule is no motor vehicles and its basically 1 lane of asphalt thats a 5k loop, perfect for walking your dog or riding a bike. (It has a big hill at one end so its best to go a certain direction if your on wheels)

[@mikebronicki8264]

@@jasonreed7522 sounds about right. You probably live on my street. 😆

[@michaelstratton5223]

Oh it's HORRIBLE in the USA. I've been yelled at, honked at, revved at, cut off, all while following laws and right of ways. But you know what, the more motorists who want me to get off the roads, the more determined I am to keep on doing it. Nowhere in the US constitution does it say we have to use automobiles to get things done. But the very act of riding a bicycle as an adult in America is an act of rebellion. And that needs to change. It also doesn't help that the VAST majority of accessible entry level bikes are mountain bikes, which in and of itself deters people from using them for quick or long distance errands. Most Americans have never even ridden a road bike and are thus unaware of how fast and efficient they are.

[@michaelstratton5223]

@@jasonreed7522 The dividing line between wannabe professional cyclists and practical errand cyclists may not be as clear cut as you think. Professional UCI cyclist Nairo Quintana started riding as a Columbian "peasant" (his own words!) to get between his parent's farm and the town down the hill for errands and school, and eventually found himself racing the Tours of France and Italy, even winning the latter in 2014! Practicality and a competitive spirit are not mutually exclusive. :)

[@jasonreed7522]

@@michaelstratton5223 I didn't mean to imply they were, only the behavior. Casually riding for fun or to the store doesn't result in wearing spandex and hunching over your handlebars for max aerodynamics. Most professional athletes started playing for fun, i would imagine most NHL players were skating on a pond by the time they were 3, and i know a lot of soccer/fútbol players get recruited from playing when they were litterally barefoot poor from rural villages. As a rule of thumb you don't become a professional anything if you hate it (there are always exceptions).

[@NonRandomUser]

"Rolling Coal" seems like something you'd *only* see in a dystopian movie or vehicular combat video game. Like, holy shit, people pay real money to do this?!

[@HyenaBlank]

@Real music Can we just go back to calling assholes assholes? Trying to choke people out with pitch black smoke or cause car accidents because they decided that someone existing nearby them is a slight against them is not trolling, they're just an asshole

[@abdullahabd7677]

Geez there are compilations of this.

[@Burhanontheranch]

guess who they vote for (if they even vote)

[@NK029]

murica. that is all

[@johntousseau9380]

Older diesels with mechanical fuel injection would put out some smoke. The more they smoked the worse they were tuned. New diesels use common rail fuel delivery system, and they won't smoke. Even when you take off all of the smog stuff (and there is a lot and it's complicated) they still won't smoke much if at all. People put a lot money into actually making their trucks less efficient. And it's stupid.

[@eldrago19]

I as an Englishman would like to sincerely apologise to the entire world for the British press. They are an embarrassment to us all.

[@Mgameing123]

ye Boris Johnson is not predictable

[@whiskeyandchoke]

the british press has to be the worst in the world - especially the regional tabloids (think like any online-only with live in the name)

[@Pablitopewpew]

Litteral demons with writing skills

[@jasonkillbourn]

@@Pablitopewpew That's a bit of an exaggeration, you know they haven't got writing skills...

[@jasonkillbourn]

The mainstream media are generally pretty dire, just about anywhere you go these days, but the UK does seem to be at the forefront of shitty, reactionary journalism. A brief glance at the Wikipedia entry for our largest selling newspaper says it all really... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

[@lponczek]

I'm Polish, but I lived a few years in the USA. I cycled to work there, purpusefully choosing an urban life. My boss took me aside my first month of work, expressing concern for my punctuality, safety, and reliability as a biker. Though in reality I felt as if he question my sanity.

[@muncherofpizza]

@@RaizanMedia in good cities bikes are also reliably punctual. In bad cities cars get stuck and bikes have to take fat detours or dangerous routes.

[@Gahanun]

@@RaizanMedia maybe try riding a bike before making comments on them, dummy.

[@fyu1945]

@@RaizanMedia I think you've never experienced being first in a workplace and than an hour later everyone else is coming late, because there was a Traffic jam.

[@xMuninn]

@@RaizanMedia Huh? What are you on about. Outside of all the other pros and cons, If anything, a bike is always the more punctual option because traffic jams or public transport schedule mishaps have no effect on you. If I ride my bike somewhere I know exactly how long it will take me to get there. If the wind is in the wrong direction I leave a few minutes earlier, but that's still 100% predictable by having a weather ap. I also am able to bring a lot of stuff on my bike (though obviously not as much as a car would).

[@Magnulus76]

It was a legitimate concern. Most Americans aren't looking out for cyclists and regard them as nuisances. Our cities and suburbs also aren't built with bicycles in mind.

[@idontwanttopickone]

Can we remember, drivers are a minority who believe they are the majority. Everyone is a pedestrian, not everyone drives. Yet too often we lay out our cities like everyone is on the roads all the time and it's killing us.

[@rantingrodent416]

Majority/minority dynamics are based on power, not population. Car owners are definitely the majority in the same way that homeowners are the majority, despite being relatively few compared to renters these days.

[@Ellie_deMayo]

So it’s an apratheid?

[@gmansplit]

What are you talking about? In the US, drivers are not a minority. If you are American, which it sounds like you are from this comment, how do you not know that? A scant 9 percent of US households do not own a car.

[@SharienGaming]

@@gmansplit so all those peoples drive their cars up the stairs of their office? they are a minority because every driver is ALSO a pedestrian - the set of drivers is a subset of the set of pedestrians you cant stop being a person, and there are always times you leave your car, even if you mostly drive thats what the OP is talking about and in the USofA their approach to protecting people while they arent in cars is to remove all the areas they would normally be in and make them close to inaccessible to pedestrians instead of making them safe to be in

[@thedevilsreaperx]

@@gmansplit and most of them are homeless.

[@20quid]

This is the first time I've ever heard of rolling coal and I am just stunned that anyone could even consider doing such a thing let alone be proud of it.

[@expatbiker6598]

They actually pay $5000 as an aftermarket fitting 2 their vehicles.

[@MrMezmerized]

Murica!

[@Coromi1]

I am surprised that the technology is legal.

[@jorisb4607]

Same here. Even when seeing the footage it almost seemed like I fell asleep and I was having a bad dream. Schocked that this is something that exists.

[@WeeSleeket]

Welcome to America!

[@muhilan8540]

Lol the stock footage of the guy telling a joke in the office was so funny

[@onetdev]

3:09 for the convenience of others.

[@muhilan8540]

@@onetdev yeah and the random dancing after that is even funnier

[@MisterMotel]

yeah, what the hell was that about hahaha. worst stock footage ever

[@larsrademakers6070]

@@MisterMotel or best stock footage ever

[@muhilan8540]

@@MisterMotel nah the dancing was great

[@Freakyjohnsson1]

Most people are not car enthusiasts yet they drive cars.

[@detlefmann7433]

Otherwise than cycling ... car- driving is expensive, boring and let feelin' you sick by time. Trying by bicycle you will feel healthy and well : )

[@Gtrx0998]

That is so true, I've heard firsthand from people who drive that they hate driving. Just like the guy in the video, most just drive to get to point A to point B efficiently.

[@detlefmann7433]

@@Gtrx0998 Yes, of course ... my experience are te advantages of cycling in reference to fresh air, nature and car traffic- free trails without disturbing noises because of other motorized drivers and of course ... no holdups, respectless moves, etc ...

[@rey_nemaattori]

@@Gtrx0998 It's not the driving that sucks, it usually the others on the road xD

[@richardpope3063]

@@Gtrx0998 They lash out because they're retarded by 1 ton of dead weight, and still feel systematically superior/privileged/victimised by a simple, (somehow sneaky) cyclist. Like the kid who buys a 'gobstopper' that takes 1 hour to reduce in size before they can swallow.

[@93runninggiraffes]

As a cyclist who grew up in America, this is a major issue. It's not even just an issue on popular roads or cities. I've been run off the road and even brake checked by big ass trucks whilst riding (for sport) on basically empty country roads on weekend mornings. People just hate sharing the road with cyclists. Not sure how we got here, but we're here, and it's incredibly dangerous.

[@Tapakapa]

Thank you so much for making this video. It's good to see that there are people out there refusing to join either side of a shouting match. What we need is safe and convenient infrastructure for everyone, no matter which mode of transport they choose.

[@ralph7349]

Omg I literally just finished rewatching all of your vids and then i move to another channel and you are still there, love your content! it also is a fun way to learn a bit of austrian

[@ralph7349]

@@appleslover jein, it is german, but with an austrian twist.

[@namenamename390]

@@appleslover that "own flavour" is typically called dialect. Yes, austria speaks german, but it's a bit like comparing a rural scottish accent to new yorkan english.

[@namenamename390]

@@appleslover lol sorry. Viel Glück noch beim Deutsch lernen!

[@成余骏]

Omg i love you

[@janSimiman]

I just realized this man should do a TED Talk.

[@NotJustBikes]

This whole channel is my TED talk. 😁

[@crispoman]

@@NotJustBikes Your videos all have a point, so I'd say you're far better than most TED talks. :)

[@alas_poor_Yorick]

Well no, actually this guy has something to say.

[@DanielSimu]

I'm Dutch and I love to bike. I never realized I was NOT a cyclist, until I moved to the UK and was surrounded by people who took cycling so seriously! They would go around in the full gear, cycling would be a part of their identity. But that kinda makes sense I guess, if there is an us vs them mentality you have to choose a side eventually. I'm glad I can cycle daily here in the Netherlands without having to be a cyclist!

There's another, probably more common reason for that in UK. They hadn't bike or did any exercise in years and at some point the doctor tells them they should lose weight and do some exercises. "Biking is a good way, it's cheap & entertaining". So they go, buy all the gears, a beautiful bike, feel the best in the world... and try to bike without suffering a heart attack. :-P It's a way to encourage themselves, they feel better if they have all this stuff and go through the daily ritual of putting them gear on.

[@sixpackpilot]

Agree. During the 2010 Winter Olympics I worked at the Holland House in Richmond, near Vancouver, and cycled every day for 3 weeks from my B&B to the Holland House, thinking I could commute the short distance the same way as in the Netherlands. Even with the improvements to cycling infrastructure I still felt vulnerable and very out of place on my NS OV fiets (few hundred Dutch city bikes especially brought over to Canada for the event). Big trucks hardly paid any attention to me on the road, even when I was in a designated cycling lane. Drivers looked at me as if I had lost my mind.

[@peterslegers6121]

@Luc Bloom I bet you'd get remarks, if you show up with a canoe in your trunk!

[@weerwolfproductions]

When I lived in Scotland for my practical training period for a while i used to walk to the village from the place where i lived, which was about 4 km downhill on the way in, and 4 km uphill on the way back. A large portion of that was on a very gradual slope as the 'elephant path' through the forest followed an old disused railway line. At the start of summer i noticed a few old bikes in a shed on the terrain, and the groundskeeper repaired one for me so i could ride it to the village and save some time doing groceries. One of the English students also living on the terrain offered me to show his route. On came the helmet, the gloves, the kneepads, and his bike was a mountain bike. So at fastest speed possible we drove along a narrow rutted path on quite a steep downgrade for quite a long way. I tried to explain to him that 1) my ancient repaired bike was a street bike, 2) that's not how we do things in The Netherlands. He thought that when i told him i'd always been cycling to school, that it was the way the cyclists in the UK did cycling, so for sports. From that day on i just took the road. Not very often. Some of the roads were so steep, and since the bike had no working gears, i had to walk uphill for a bit anyway, until the grade became manageable. And some of the roads i had to take where on the route of a double-decker bus and the roads were so narrow (with stone walls at either side) that i feared being crushed unless i gave priority to the bus each time it tried to overtake me or one came the opposite way. After a few weeks i went back to walking since it was safer on the trail through the forest.

[@dubstar2000]

I used to cycle in London too, and just wore my normal clothes on the bike with no helmet or reflective gear. There are a lot of lunatics on the streets in London on bicycles, who take it far too seriously and are in too much of a hurry. I've seen fights break out between cyclists at the lights there. Everyone needs to calm down.

[@SuperNath97]

I started riding my bike to work when i realized it took the same amount of time as driving my truck there, my coworkers did start treating me different now i ride my bike, i have never been in a car accident but it only took a few trip to work and back to get struck by a distracted driver, my new bike was damaged and i was hurt trying to catch my fall with my hands, my ribs were contused and my wrists sprained, i had to spend 24 hours at the hospital to get checked, the police treated me like i was in the wrong even when the drivers were blocking the bike paths and i had the light to cross the intersection, the driver got away with it and i have been stuck at home for a month trying to heal, my city is full of stroads and dangerous bike paths, watching your videos is like having deja-vue, everything wrong with my city is highlighted on here.

[@RealisticMgmt]

Growing up I was one of the very few bicycle commuters in my typical North American suburban community and I remember feeling like I was preparing for war every morning putting on my gear. Never knowing if today was the day an erratic driver might take me out. But I still did it because I love all the benefits of cycling. Those shocking videos are unfortunately all too familiar for many cyclists on our side of the pond.

[@NotJustBikes]

Yep, well said. It's absolutely insane that the cheapest and most efficient personal transportation option available has these ridiculous stigmas attached to them.

[@dewiz9596]

I started “cycling” at 32 in 1977. . . and although I have had incidents, including successfully prosecuting a bus driver, and have never really felt threatened. Maybe it’s the hair and Hulk Hogan mustach 😀

[@TheChimples]

I grew up in Europe but now live in North America and I understand the frustrations of poor infrastructure. In Europe cycling is just a means to an end, not a tribal affiliation. continental Europe anyway. It's sad that in North America everything has to devolve into us vs them. But generally people are so angry and antagonistic all the time...it probably just spills into whatever they do including driving or cycling or whatever. I found that walking is probably the safest in terms of avoiding being grouped into stereotypes. I have a bike but rarely use it anymore and used to ride motorcycles too (until it got stolen and the insurance is crazy) and to get to work I have to drive otherwise it would take me 2 hours by public transit. But now I walk as much as I can. I just feel like I can stay out of people's way the easiest when I walk and not feel the pressure of being part of some group or whatever. It's just me and my two feet on the ground.

[@tesmith47]

Yep, you got to Don your equipment and steel your mind

[@Deczx]

Let's just call "punishment passes" what they really are; assault with a deadly weapon. It takes surprisingly little velocity to kill someone with a car.

[@ianhomerpura8937]

Which merits a justifiable act of revenge: deflate their tires 🙂

[@JimCullen]

Yup. Important to remember that even if they don't hit you, it's assault. Specific legal definitions differ depending on where you are, but here's a snippet from my state's law: "or threatens to apply force of any kind to the person of another". You make them fear they might be hurt or killed? That's assault.

[@FriedrichHerschel]

@@JimCullen On top of that, if you do this for political reasons (which "change your legally allowed way of living to something I command" is), it's also terrorism.

[@InWeCome]

forget about killing, purposefully breaking someone's arm or leg is bad enough and should land you in jail!

[@FriedrichHerschel]

@@InWeCome The mere act of threatening can be enough to land you in jail.

[@n1thmusic229]

I "AM" a Cyclist, I cycle for exercise, for sport and for fun. And after watching this video I really want to tell someone who drives "Eugh, you're a driver, I once saw a driver run a red light at an intersection, go the wrong way round a roundabout, do an Illegal turn, and go 30 kilometres an hour over the speed limit, I hope you're not one of them"

[@msSnilloc]

I had the exact same thought haha

[@Puppiesandpizza2131]

Hey mate i wanna make a complaint about cars. I ride a bike for fun and sort of as a cyclist. I once wa riding home from a wawa near my home and i got passed by these 2 deafening speeding supercars and i littery had to stop on the sidewalk and i was in complete fear. I thought i was going to die and thats not cool man. As someone who rides a bike i've learned to hate on the cars in society. Just like i sometimes hate poeple i always hate cars because theys eem to not be considerate of us cyclists. I'll be a true cyclist when i buy my first road bike in march so yeah.

[@n1thmusic229]

@@Puppiesandpizza2131 yeah I understand that, in my home country cyclists are respected and although most streets have no infrastructure and there is never more than painted bicycle gutters, there's no need for more, cyclists are respected cars don't try to scare or harm us, cycling is encouraged and there is a lot of traffic calming and well built streets with bikes in mind, I am 14 and I'm not scared to ride on a main road with no cycle lane

[@Puppiesandpizza2131]

@@n1thmusic229 Yeah thanks. I'm sure those two cars werent doing it on purpose but i have 8% comprehension in my left ear so for me to think i was going to go deaf just woried me. Nothing too bad nd only happened once knock on wood.

[@MHH3180]

The average motorist is 5mph over the limit, at all times, in The U.S. (NHTSB). When you mention fact they look at you as if to say, "yeah!?! What's your point?" When you point out that you can cross the average U.S. city one minute faster at 45 than 25 they are astounded. When you point out that surviving being hit at 45 is only 15%, but 85% at 25, their first response is, "what are they doing in the road anyway?" No change will encourage people to use this cost effective alternative like getting urban speed limits under control and law enforcement on board.

[@Sauron...]

I am Dutch, I never knew this was actually a problem in other countries. Thanks for making me aware of this, great video.

[@Nayenezgani]

It's a problem in the Netherlands as well. Just replace "cyclist" with "wielrenner."

[@crontonio]

@@Nayenezgani I think you are underestimating the problem.

[@Nayenezgani]

@@crontonio I'm not saying it takes on the same extremes as described in this video, but just because it's less severe that's no reason to pretend the problem doesn't exist.

[@crontonio]

@@Nayenezgani I totally understand yah man.

[@garethblake7374]

A colleague once told me I was a keen cyclist. My response was that anyone who drives to work must be a keen motorist.

[@wohlhabendermanager]

I cycle to work every day (or, I would, if it wasn't for covid). It's 3km one way, so it's really nothing. Not worth it to go by car. And yet, my colleagues are very surprised that I take my bike even if it's -10°C outside. It always baffles me and I ask: Would you really drive with a car to work if it was only 3km? Before that at my old job my work commute was 5km, and of course it was the same. "Oh, you take your bike every day? WOW!" and I always was like "What's so 'WOW' about that? It's only 5km..."

[@silkegehtyoutubegarnichtsa892]

My take, at the root of this sits the discarded, carefully submerged truth, that we all like to do things that are hard. Hence, the wicked reminders out there are naturally perceived as pestering.

[@thenamen935]

@@wohlhabendermanager I regularily cycle to work as well, but only if the weather is good, because its 10km. When my route was only 4km long I cycled daily, no matter the weather. And people always look at me as if I was somekind of crazy person. They always tell me public transport is faster, but in fact. If I'd take the tram, it would take me 5min to the tram, 30min by tram and 5min by foot again to my destination. Leading to 40min+ (with possible delays). But on the bike, I have 30min, and am never delayed because in traffic jam, I'm on the bike lane. If a road is blocked I can simply change my route onto the next road. In public transport I can't. But people often don't realise how practical a bike is (even in rural areas).

[@AlexanderBurgers]

As a keen motorist, most people occupying the road are not.

[@MarkWarren-com]

@@thenamen935 that’s also 30 minutes of low impact exercise that you wouldn’t get on the tram or in an automobile. 👍

[@geinling]

Damn, I'm living in the Netherlands, bet never realized how special our situation here is. Or as you can say it, how dumb things in other countries can be.

[@Crissin99]

You’re lucky. I love Netherlands

[@Freezorizer]

We are very lucky yea. Made me realise how stupid people can be...

[@fiatfixie4344]

Making people angrier and dumber is its own multi billion dollar industry in some countries.

[@Upsedriss]

Same. We always hear "The Dutch ride bicycles more" as if its a matter of preference and practicality due to the shorter distances between places in our small country. It never really dawned on me that cycling would be essentially a non option in other "similar" countries due to a literal lack of safe options. I also often have to share the road with cars in and around cities/towns, sometimes even without the white divider line, but I've never felt unsafe. I expect people in cars to look out for me and I do my best to make way for them to pass when possible and needed (aka when theres not already more than enough room to go around me). I'm just part of traffic, like everyone else. With buses here too, I see so often at roundabouts that someone in a car sees that a bus us waiting, checks if they can slow down safely, and if they can lets the bus go first so it can stay on time. People seem to respect public transit to a degree. I wonder if that's different in North America as well, or if it's just the getting stuck in traffic along with the rest thing.

[@kknaaaaam]

@@Upsedriss When a bus is standing still and his blinker is indicating that he's going to drive off and needs to go on your lane you're required to make space for him if possible. It's the law. Good law though.

[@JohnJackVancouverIsland]

Being someone who cycles for commuting is apparently a lot like being the non-drinker at a party. It makes the drinkers feel a bit bad for various reasons.

[@menguardingtheirownwallets6791]

When I was a teenager, I live in Mississauga (beside Toronto), and I used to drive my bicycle everywhere on the sidewalks. Back then, before the year 2000, it was legal to drive a bicycle on the sidewalks. There was literally no one walking on the sidewalks, so I had the sidewalks all to myself. Well, now it is 2020 and almost no one walks on the sidewalks, but now cops will stop and give you a $150 ticket if they catch you riding your bicycle on the sidewalks. So now not only do car drivers hate you, but now the cops hate you and ticket the sh!t out of you, if you are simply trying to keep from getting killed by a car, by riding on the non-used sidewalks.

[@laserbrain7774]

Defund, disempower and demilitarize the filth.

[@gary7vn]

Sidewalks are for people. Stay off the sidewalks. I ride. Just not on sidewalks. Sidewalks are for people. Stop rationalising.

[@thelistener1268]

@@gary7vn It's not safe in the roads.

[@Rotarson]

I believe the fine is $35 in Mississauga. With that said, on a lot of streets that lack any kind of bike lanes, I think it's understandable to go on the side walk. Even on the streets with non-protected bike lanes, I think it's still way too dangerous to go on the road.

[@rockon646]

This is why advocating for non-automobile traffic really feels like a fight. This bias has been reinforced by billions of dollars of campaigning over nearly a century in the US. In Florida, the biggest cycling infrastructure investment goes into restricted-use trails, useless for anything but recreation.

[@Quintinohthree]

St. Petersburg seems to have some decent separated bike lanes and paths that appear actually useful, but I can appreciate this being the exception.

[@las1147]

Even in The Netherlands this bias exist. A good example is that the problem of traffic jams is seen as one the biggest issues this country faces, even though only a small minority of people regularly experience traffic jams and of those a tiny fraction actually sees it as a problem in their lives. Yet we keep constructing huge unnecessary motorways through nature reserves and what not, because "we can't let the country clog up"

[@danielstokker]

You americans are still 50 years behind on things like this , most of europe has cycle lanes in my country The Netherlands the cycle lanes are litterly EVERYWERE , and if you pull this kinda shit on a cyclist here your going to jail

[@stefansaboura5917]

I was in Rosemary Beach, Florida some days ago, and it it the only place I have seen in the US with protected bike lanes that I could use to go to the fake European city place with slow streets for cars and bikes, that people feel safe and protected on. The bike lanes even went to the state highway (FL 79)

[@AndreSomers]

@@danielstokker I only wish the situation was that ideal. Yes, in general things are great for cyclists in the Netherlands, but you only need to cross the border to find out all is not rosy in Europe. Things are improving slowly in Germany, especially in the bigger cities, but it's still not great. I cycling even further east was just plain scary.

[@LeahandLevi]

Can't wait for this video to hit recommended and the comments turn into a dumpster fire of people complaining about bikes. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@NotJustBikes]

Yeah, there is no way I'm going anywhere near this comments section after day 3. The comments section of my regular videos become terrible when they hit recommended; this one will be a total dumpster fire.

[@MichaelSchagen]

@@NotJustBikes will check back in three days...😉

[@ChineseCookingDemystified]

@@NotJustBikes Haha, we have the same shit going on. We usually enjoy a pretty nice and constructive comment section of our core viewers, but whenever things got recommended, it often turns into a racist shit show. Well, it's the internet. We live in a smaller city in China currently and bike around everyday. However big cities in China are getting more and more "Americanized", car-centric, and less and less bike-friendly. I really hope urban planners here can open their eyes and see all the complains from people that actually live in north American cities/suburbs in stead of chasing that big shiny dream of modernization. Anyway, real question though, where you get all those lit clips of dramatic reenactment? ;)

[@AlexGNR]

@@NotJustBikes be glad us Dutch are here

[@nativeafroeurasian]

@@MichaelSchagen where were you?

[@jorrikhollands3593]

As a Ducth person "I once saw a cyclist..." is just the most hilarious sentence

[@larsrademakers6070]

@bear meneer prob hundreds a day tbh 😂

[@annabelholland]

30% of the people watching are Dutch

[@larsrademakers6070]

@@annabelholland maybe even more 😂

[@MarlowWhere]

But its a reality for alot of North Americans. There are places where you may never see a cyclist. The fact that someone remembers this "one time a cyclist did something" and forgets how every single day while driving they've probably witnessed another driver do something dangerous is absolutely spectacular cognitive dissonance.

[@lamarepository248]

“Discrimination against bicycles” isn’t something I’d ever think of but holy shit.

[@John-tw3rj]

the fact that people willingly pay money for the ability to blow gas fumes on people really grinded my gears.

[@sawchuk519]

Paying money is not really necessary. I don't know much about how newer diesel emission technology works, but with what I would call "typical" diesel engines all it would take to roll coal is to put the vehicle in neutral and rev the engine.

[@John-tw3rj]

@@sawchuk519 yea but the point is going out of your way to harm others for no good reason.

[@lonestarr1490]

@@John-tw3rj Assholes. Assholes everywhere. You see, their lives are so depressing and lack any meaningful accomplishment, that the only way for them to regain at least short spans of a feeling of self-worth is by belittling others. They desperately need others to whom they can consider themselves superior, or else they risk their self-esteem to crumble. That subconscious self-loathing is the root of so many evils: misogyny, hate for non-straight and transgender people, racism. And even this hate for 'cyclists'. Everyone doing anything differently than they do must necessarily do it wrong, or else it would mean that they're themselves wrong. And this they can never bear. They're losers. And even though they'd never admit it, deep down they know they are. We can only pity them for they're forever trapped in their self-made vicious cycle of fear, hate, angst, doubt, and anger.

[@rgbled4778]

these people should go straight to jail

[@hil449]

@@lonestarr1490 best comment

[@IgorAntarov]

When someone tells you that cyclists do this-and-that, ask them: "As a motorist, can you explain to me why motorists are so lazy in using turn signals and bad with obeying the rules in general"? :D -- If they say that they are not like that. Tell them that it was their proposal for the grouping. :)

[@GroxMirk]

It is to long. Just ask - why drivers kills people every day?

[@zachariahscheen5818]

Or just ask them if they know what a stop line/stop sign or crosswalk is. A lot of drivers treat stop signs and right turns on red as yield signs and completely ignore cross walks. Or maybe a more direct comparison would be to ask "why do you use your cell phone while driving?". I hope that it's a minority of drivers that do that, just like I hope it's a minority of people on bikes that run red lights.

[@rendomstranger8698]

@@safe-keeper1042 Not really. Being on the defensive in a situation like that doesn't help. It just makes people dismiss you. You need to make it very clear that if those people are willing to lump you in with bad cyclists, you'll lump them in with crazed car nuts. If they don't apologize after and talk behind your back, do the same to them. No reason to play nice with those people until they stop putting labels on you. And remember, they are the one who looked for conflict. Don't accept any blame if they suddenly play the victim, and make it very clear that playing the victim isn't going to work. There are times to do things in a civil way, and then there are times to stand your ground.

[@tony199120]

Because a lot of dutch drive BMW and audi, they do not have turning signals.

[@martijn9568]

@@tony199120 I was expecting this one😂

[@petergunn7039]

I've become the "Angry Cyclist" at times, strangely it's just after having my life threatened (again) and the adrenaline is pumping.

[@petergunn7039]

@@julianshepherd2038 Have been and it doesn't make me any happier.

[@KarlSnarks]

I don't get why these damn cyclists get angry after being assaulted with a dangerous vehicle, must be a cyclist thing.

[@viktorkools2909]

I go to school 17 km a day about 10 miles and yes I have been close to getting ran over but if u brake just In time u won't die atleast

[@petergunn7039]

@@viktorkools2909 am over 60, reflexes ain't what they used to be. Only been riding with disk brakes for 5ish years, they help a lot.

[@viktorkools2909]

@@petergunn7039 ye stay safe tho

[@lalehvontofu5860]

My ex boss treated me like some kind of hardcore environment activist because I don't eat meat and I used to commute to this job by bike *occasionally*. When Fridays for Future started being a thing he grilled me in a meeting about it like I had personally thought of that and made students protest climate change. I was supportive of it, of course, but I never talked about that at work and I was at least 10 years too old to have anything to do with it whatsoever...

[@dandywaysofliving]

Ha same kinda but I wasn't picked on as much. More ostracized and ignored.

[@dandywaysofliving]

Ride against traffic if u plan on cycling. ⬅️🚴‍♂️🚗 Vs 🚣 ➡️ 🛻

[@gary7vn]

@@dandywaysofliving That's idiotic. Stupid. Dangerous. Yet you really seem to think that you are on to something.

[@IdExCS]

Meat is one of the healthiest foods ever consumed by humanity.

[@gizmo4192]

@@IdExCS Don't you feel quite silly saying that? I would.

[@glynnspinn]

"Cyclist" here. I live in the US. It's brutal. The amount of times that I've been aggressively passed just to meet the same car at a stop sign a half-mile up the road is wild. Like I'm sorry you had to wait an extra 4 seconds to overtake me. I have friends who always ride with multiple cameras, and I'm considering it. Local organizations are doing what they can, but we too suffer from the media bias. "Bicycle accident injures cyclist" - no - it wasn't a bicycle accident. They got hit by a car. It's one of the reasons I haven't ridden outside much over the last few years. I use a cycling trainer and close myself off in my basement.

[@siobhanahbois]

I live in Seattle and always cycle with my GoPro on. Buying a second one for the view from the saddle too. It’s very stressful getting from A to B, wish there were car free days.

[@mjc0961]

I see the same thing driving from other drivers. Good job passing and burning all that extra fuel just to get around me, just so you can sit in front of me at the traffic light instead of behind me. You really got where you're going a whole lot faster! Bonus points if they then complain to people about having to spend $80 to fill the gas tank of their crappy pickup truck or SUV/crossover and blame Biden for it. Nah, they drive an already fuel inefficient vehicle in the most fuel inefficient way possible. The amount of money they spend on gas and the frequency at which they spend it is entirely their fault. Idiots.

[@bertmeinders6758]

Here in New Zealand, every collision on a railway crossing, and every case of someone killed while walking on the track, is reported as a train crash or as a railway accident.

[@Zonydeep]

don't give up!

[@comdrive3865]

stressful times results in worse drivers.

[@gerbertvanloenen]

As a Dutchman, I have lived in Berlin for four years, where I noticed that people riding a bicycle were supposed to be left-wing, and using a bicycle was a political statement. In the Netherlands, it is a means of transport.

[@Colonist83]

Same thing happens in the US. Riding a bicycle or commuting by bike as an adult becomes affiliated with your party. Its stupid.

[@richardpope3063]

Perhaps those germans feel there is an ogre watching them.

[@PEDROGARCIA-qj3gr]

what happens with that people? I've heard so many weird things that make you left-wing, like being gay, the only reason why almost always more opened gay people are in the left it's because they almost certainly were rejected from the right, never because they love the left, and the left just takes advantage from their votes, left neither loves gay people.

[@someonejustsomeone1469]

What the hell? Isn't left wing supposed to be pro public transport? People literally bring their own "private vehicles" by using their own cycles.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

@PEDRO GARCIA Sounds like huge generalisation. What left are you talking about? About the progressives who fight for equality? Many of them belong to the LGBT movement themselves. Environmentalists? Since eco fascists exist I can't say it's inherently a lefty group. Non-religious / atheists? Many of them are conservatives af. I think the only truly lefty group that attract LGBT community, even though their policies don't have a direct impact on their struggles, are socialists and / or communists ( they argue how current system hurts minorities more and therefore it's in their interest to fight against current model of capitalism, questionable but that's the idea) And then there're neo liberals. A group probably hated by everyone. Ironicallly I saw people calling it both a left-winged and right-winged ideology. Probably because they promote equality while praising capitalism I can do exactly the same with righty movements. Are conservatives using Christianity to gain easy vote? Well, it doesn't work with all Christans. Some might even get offended if you throw them into the same group. Some will tell you that they're Jehowa Witnesses and so while they agree with conservative policies they won't participate in political life because this world is ruled by Satan or something like that Tl;dr what left is using gay people for political power? Because there's a lot of different ideologies under the "left" umbrella

[@vaimantobe3034]

The worst part is that car culture makes car drivers sometimes see themself as above cyclists. As someone who doesn't own a car, I never understood why someone in a *heavy, multi-horsepower* metal vehicle would want to harass cyclists. If they hit the cyclist, they get a dent in their car. The cyclist gets a dent in their head. Or spine. Or entire body. I mean come on, they're not as fast as you. At the end of the day they're still people. Be careful around them at least! (The infrastructure is still a major factor for why this happems though)

[@Kr0noZ]

The issue many drivers have is that these cyclists insist on taking a slow, squishy vehicle into the same space as much faster, bigger vehicles, hold up the traffic and expect to be tolerated. If your place of residence doesn't offer separated bike infrastructure because there's no space for that, don't use bikes.

[@ChrisDecrease]

@@Kr0noZ, this is a dumb-ass take. The expectation is that people should get expensive cars, take expensive taxis, or take slow or unreliable public transit (depending on the place) because you want to own the road? Just stay your ass behind them and pass when you can. At the end of the day, you're going to outpace them anyway.

[@Kr0noZ]

​@@ChrisDecrease It's not a dumb-ass take. If infrastructure does not support a mode of transportation it should not be used. In a urban environment, singe bikers can hold up traffic for ages because lanes are designed for cars and there's usually oncoming traffic in the next lane. So overtaking them in cities is basically impossible without going over the center line - and since bikes can't do 30 - 50 km/h they will always slow down everyone else. (I know, some cyclists can and the new electric bikes DO help with that but then again, that introduces other risks).

[@kudosbudo]

@@Kr0noZ Thats not an issue though. That is just driver incompetance. gettign round cyclist is piss easy. It requires a little patience and precence of mind to complete the manuever. Its so easy the fact so many drivers either fail by rushing it, losing patience and cry about its quite baffling. Git gud shit drivers.

[@dernwine]

"You don't pay road tax so you don't have rights on the road." is my favorite one. (Nobody in the UK pays road tax)

[@craigmcinnes1212]

OMG, I'm a car nut who's not been on a bike in 20 years and I love my car and hate getting stuck behind a bike and even I an getting angry when I see how bike users are treated in this video. I had never though about the media coverage bias before either. I hope some of the change you mention at the end continues and accelerates. Wishing you a safe and peaceful commute and all the best, Warm regards from Scotland.

[@nemure]

I'm opposite of you, at least at some points. I don't own nor want a car, I go everywhere on my road bike. I use cycling outfit and I like to speed when I can and is safe on secondary roads when they don't have traffic. I can say though I don't break any traffic rules, I respect signs, top speeds and such. I always ride on the side and because I do it with a thin road bike I never am a border to cars. They can pass me easily when they need to. It is sad though just because you run a bike a car driver needs to pass you no matter what, even when you are ridding at the top speed limit of the road, sometimes even a bit beyond. An example, going down a mountain here at my home top speed limit is 50km/h even if go 60 km/h (raod is really good tbh) they'll pass you even if they have to go 80km/h only because "a bike is a border"

[@dandywaysofliving]

Ride against traffic if u plan on cycling.------------------------ ⬅️🚴‍♂️🚗 Vs 🚣 ➡️ 🛻

[@haakonhunter7621]

It doesnt work that well, trust me i tried that when i was younger but it just leads to having to run into bushes cause theres no room on the road to avoid oncoming cars

[@Cora.T]

You should lobby for separated bicycle lanes, that would mean you're no longer stuck behind a bike. Win win, less people on the road as they will actually want to take the bike because its safe, children will have more agency and this will benefit their development, less people on the road so shorter commute, you no longer stuck behind cyclist, people's health will likely improve. So this one change will have atleast 8 positive results

[@p_mouse8676]

Maybe this sound a little more political, but in general I find it very lame when people go into "stereotype mode". Don't care what the subject is about or on what side you are. It's just a very destructive type of conversation. Guess adult is just a name to describe age, not wisdom.

[@kaasappel123]

P_ Mouse thank god. I got some more faith in humanity because of you :) I mean it it’s no sarcasm. Have a good day :)

[@Robbedem]

yeah, you could change cyclist into - black person - vegetarian - feminist - atheist - gay -... same story but different names/groups

[@QuebecFietser]

i have seen adults act more childishly than their kids

[@zakazikoziko1419]

@@Robbedem atheists? They aren’t a minority. They also aren’t treated a bad as blacks gays vegetarians.

[@kaasappel123]

Robbedem very true but if your all off them....... then your fd

[@Nudelwanne]

I'm confused. I'm living in Munich and I swap my way of transportation like my underwear. Bike, by foot, underground, car. Whatever is the most convenient for the trip. And if I come across someone on a bike who makes me slam my brakes he's not a cyclist, he's just another damn idiot. North America seems to be focused on cars way too much. And this is coming from a german 😅

[@hardtailhardtrails]

It 100% is, and your comment makes me miss Europe as I currently live in an island of housing ringed in by 6 lane sroad.

[@alexursu4403]

Is it only me, or Germans are the people who say they made mistakes most often ?

[@rolfs2165]

Granted, even in Germany you have people who take their grievances with MAMIL out on cyclists in general. Like my aunt. But she also complains that too many migrants (i.e young men of Middle-Eastern appearance) are taking the tram, so …

[@xCaptainJoex]

Every single commute in my American life is most convenient by car. Even my 1 mile trip to the grocery store is most safely and efficiently done by car.

[@recyclespinning9839]

For over a century now cars are connected to both our; jobs, economy, status, oh and one other little detail , going to war and killing for oil. We just turn a blind eye.

[@benjaminolanderrasmussen3049]

This is fascinating to me. As a guy from Denmark, I had never even heard of the cyclist/non cyklist divide. In Denmark, basically everyone rides bikes, so it's just another mode of transport

[@RamaSivamani]

Even there is there not a difference between people who ride bikes just for transport vs people who take up cycling for the sport and hobby aspect of it?

[@benjaminolanderrasmussen3049]

@@RamaSivamani Of course, but I think there are enough commuters that no-one really thinks "Look at that sports cyclist, let's give him a punishment pass". Also, because cycling is everywhere, there isn't really as much as a divide. A sports cyclist isn't as different from the norm in Denmark. Just like people don't really group together as joggers (or maybe I'm just blind)

[@richardpope3063]

Common sense here in ChCh NZ, a flat place. Waxes and wains. We have cycle lanes here now, though it is the elderly driver with 'tunnel vision' who seems to be the danger. Drunk drivers are much reduced from 50 years ago. Probably 'tradie' van drivers are the most cocky, followed by building contractors, and then 'over-eager' police.

[@averageuncle8176]

In many European countries, cycling is still considered only a sport and not a transport, and motorsports are also a problem. Since many countries have signed up for various books and global agreements, it is time to ban them. It is a very inefficient way of spending global resources.

[@NLTops]

*Dutch-Danish Fistbump*

[@thewingedporpoise]

the "I don't wanna" part is really a good representation of what it is to be a minority, just wanting to be left well enough alone and able to not get harassed

[@jasonreed7522]

The problem is that the "harassers" are almost always an even smaller minority hiding within the majority. And usually they get away with it because either the normal people can't reject them (how do you control others driving) or aren't aware of the problem (i only knew of roaling coal as "i like to see a cloud of polution when gunning it on a back road" and didn't realize idiots used it explicitly as a weapon). And of course it only takes 1 bad apple to ruin the bunch. 1 minority does something and the majority only has that 1 example of behavior brought to their attention creating a harmful stereotype. 1 asshole in the majority sticks out when litterally thousands before did the correct thing. (The weather is always wrong fallicy) Its frustrating for both sides to be judged for actions you had no control over, and obviously its more than 1 asshole on both sides causing all the bad reps when really its just idiots who nobody wants to claim as part of their group.

[@Hannah-uv8hy]

Yup definitely

[@kriskarpjee9657]

As a mostly cycling Dutch person I was commenting in the guardian on a cycling subject. And I was surprised by the amount of BS and abuse I received. I really didn’t understand where the anti cyclist comments came from. I would have understood if I commented in the daily mail. I just stopped commenting there. I was going nowhere. Now I understand more. Thanks for the eye opener

[@atraindriver]

@Tony Edgecombe Most of them aren't, same as most commentators on the BBC news pages and the Independent and so on. It seems to me that most commentators on UK news websites don't read the media concerned, they just troll the net looking for arguments.

[@Draregkoeliekalie]

@Martin Tournoij internet is great, but this is one of the big downsides.

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

In Canada, if I drive to the supermarket, people say "he went to the supermarket". But if I cycle to the supermarket, they say "he went for a bike ride".

[@GadgetsGearCoffee]

Interesting observation. I think cuz cars are the "norm and standard"

[@Anarcho-Pragmatist]

Other day while I was working (which for me involves biking), some guy said "bit chilly for a bike ride, no?" as if there were some other option. LOL

[@radiohobbyist13]

Sadly, it's generally assumed that a person who is riding a bicycle is just "clowning around" and not doing anything really serious or legitimate.

[@detlefmann7433]

Car- driving ist not the way of true freedom ... it's expensive, unsportive and you get feelin' sick ... contrasting to, cycling is positive for good feeling, you can ride throughout green landscapes, breathe fresh air and relax by riding ... Cycling is more, than life- philosophy 😁 👍👍

[@thijsvandalsen2989]

I just can't wrap my head around how sad an childish this Rolling Coal thing is. Is this for real?! What kind of miserable, immature lowlife makes these modifications just to bully others? What happened to those people that they are that frustrated and spiteful?

[@theonerecker5245]

Als je dat hier doet wordt je door zes Boa’s klem gereden hahah

[@AndreSomers]

@@theonerecker5245 You'd wish that, but no, you won't. Lucky for us a) trucks are rare here anyway, so no need to show off with even more gas-guzzling, b) we have the annual APK check where this would probably show up. But no, you'd probably get away with it for too long a time. Just like you usually get away with way too loud motorcycles and pumped-up scooters. You'll find assholes in traffic everywhere.

[@GrantSimons2]

Super real. They're usually the same people who have confederate flags flying on their trucks. It's awful. The psychology around these groups of people is so strange.

[@macexpert7247]

Only to be used on Prius drivers at 60mph on cruise control the left lane or blocking the entire highway by creeping along a truck.

[@Aranimda]

It would not pass European emission regulations anyway.

[@rosalindchapman9035]

I had a huge stress response when you mentioned a Toronto teacher killed while riding a bike because I thought you were going to talk about my teacher but no it just turns out it's some different Toronto teacher. So now instead of being retraumatized I'm just depressed that "Toronto teacher killed on bike" doesn't narrow things down apparently.

[@avenir7337]

Once some lady honked at me for standing still at a protected bike lane during a red light- I don't even know anymore

[@georgeemil3618]

I'd just like to remind viewers of the death of a student Duncan Xu, when he was returning home from school. In response to Duncan Xu's death, the city closed off the pedestrian path in which the residences used. But nothing was done to prevent any motorist from performing another curb jump. The underlying message here is that residences are to get out of the way of bad drivers.

[@MissyMona]

I had no idea this was such a massive issue because I used mostly just transit and the only time I ever got worried about a Cyclist was when they were on the sidewalk. Can't super blame them for wanting to be on the sidewalk then people try to assault them with their cars...

[@brandondavidson4085]

A sidewalk separate from the road is the safest place a pedestrian can be, honestly. But not enough cities in North America have gotten with the program.

[@jasonreed7522]

While i personally would only have 2lane roads in cities and give the rest to the sidewalk and let bikes on it. (You can cycle at a slow enough speed to not endager anyone) I think the most realistic would be to have bike lanes and protect them with a physical barrier like the pillars infront of grocery stores that exist to stop cars from going through the front door. And then add shortcuts that only nonmotor vehicles can use. And lastly have a place outside cities where people visiting can park their car and get on functional public transit. I will admit I'm biased to a small town where bikers ride on sidewalks and use crosswalks and nobody bats an eye because they go respectful speeds and don't try and run people over. And outside of town they ride on the shoulder and I try to always get over just like i would for walkers.

[@mjc0961]

@@jasonreed7522 "(You can cycle at a slow enough speed to not endager anyone)" You can also get off the bike and just walk it through if you hit a crowd of people so large you can't safely ride through it.

[@gary7vn]

@@jasonreed7522 Stay off the sidewalk.

[@thelistener1268]

@@gary7vn Sadly it's the safest place to be in the U.S. Not like anyone else is using it.

[@antonyjohnson4489]

"Not Just Bikes" has rapidly become my favourite KZbin channel, because it speaks total sense and in an engaging manner, often with a welcome touch of irony and sarcasm. Quotes such as "cyclists are expendable" pretty much sums up the attitudes of car centric urban planners. Having lived myself in Holland for a few months, and also Switzerland for 2 years, I can fully appreciate the benefits that superb active and public transport provision brings, i.e. a much more pleasant and equitable environment. Need I say more? We need far more people to get off their a*ses and demand that Governments bring in the necessary changes. This and other similar videos is a welcome step in the right direction in getting that message across to a wider audience. Top marks indeed👍

[@ecossens]

As a young person who cycles, punishment passes are terrifying, especially as I am feminine presenting and its often older men who will yell. People in cars seem to think its ok to terrify people on bikes even when we're following all of the rules and using dedicated lanes.

[@0715yt]

Fuckin America man. I’m seriously considering getting out of here someday, I have so many complaints about our culture and way of life lol

[@0715yt]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 i must've missed the part where i asked lol

[@abhijeetshrestha1502]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 chill buddy. Calling people cowards online is really unnecessary

[@alfredvonsfer7136]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 man The US is too far gone, call me dramatic but ill try my luck on the otherside of the pond

[@alfredvonsfer7136]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 i would hardly call my life blessed, we all go through different stuff to get where we are. You would do well to understand that your USA is not everyone else's. And your American dream might just be another persons American Nightmare. Call it running away if you want but America was built by those who ran away, so if anything im just going with tradition lmao

[@florentmillanmusic9283]

i remember one time, i was cycling down a canal path which was a common place for cyclists. I was going round this man in his 40's and there was a lot of space to do so. For some reason, he wanted to scare me in hopes of startling me to accidentally ride into the canal. I have no idea what experience he had with cyclers for him to want to do that to a 16 year old lol.

[@alicia-hd2cs]

I wear shorts for cycling. I am relatively skinny so i wasn’t really exposing anything. Ive had a man roll down his window and scream “close your legs” in front of everyone. Imagine yelling that to a 16 year old girl who just wants to ride to volleyball practice. I was really embarrassed.

[@alicia-hd2cs]

@@Sarandib22 thank you for your kindness >_< i live in malta, a country where 90% of people travel by car. The only cyclists i see are athletes practicing their sport. My country is small and the only person i know who cycle commutes is this nice quiet young man. The roads, the heat, and the mentality are NOT at all welcoming to people like me :(.

[@theuncalledfor]

A friend of mine once got pushed over for absolutely no reason by some fucking psychopath while cycling.

[@MrMatty008]

In the villages in Belgium you have to really watch out because every one goes to school by bike if you don’t you get called fat

[@tomekwolny5606]

This is an extremely depressing video. I have started riding for triathlons, which is part of improving my running. Definitely no activist and was in the past the guy, complaining about cyclists but treating them fairly on the actual roads. These videos are blowing my mind and are actually changing my life as a closet urban planner and increasingly caring for the environment.

[@comdrive3865]

a LOT of people don't care for cyclists and see them as a nuisance. That's part of the reason these deaths are just brushed under by cops

[@Meleeman011]

sounds like you'd be the perfect person to build a permaculture village

[@Niwan8]

yea as i dutch person i an NOT a cyclist even tho i cycle to school every day

[@kaasappel123]

Niwan Van Heemstede same 😂

[@linuxstreamer8910]

I'm one i don't have a car so i must be one car and everything around cost to much

[@bazz1044]

Ik zou dan ook wat bijles Engels volgen als je er toch bent... haha

[@linuxstreamer8910]

@@bazz1044 voor mij betekent dat ik een fietser ben en google translate zegt dat ook kultuur zegt anders maar ja heb nooit engelse les gehad

[@linuxstreamer8910]

@@bazz1044 ben een hollander nog nooit buiten europa geweest de enige landen waar ik in ben geweest zijn frankrijk, italie en slowakije

[@CaptainWyatt]

As soon as you mentioned the big shift in attitudes toward cycling in TO, I knew you were talking about the Rob Ford years. I went through the same shock when moving back after a couple of years away in that era. I had never had a problem cycling in the city until then, and all of a sudden I was hit by 2 cars inside of a year and yelled at by both drivers. It was disturbing. Love you work - keep it coming, sir!

[@dandywaysofliving]

Ride against traffic if u plan on cycling. ⬅️🚴‍♂️🚗 Vs 🚣 ➡️ 🛻

[@sergiplanas6427]

I live in Milan and I basically use the bicycle every time I go out of my house. Here if you go to work by bicycle you are not bullied by any means, actually you get to be the healthy guy that does the right thing. That encourages you even more!

[@thecashier930]

I see that change happening in Germany and Austria as well. Cycling is becoming sort of an moral ideal and while those who cycle for their commute won't really talk about it, people who come by car will sort of beat them selfes up for doing that, or not having had the willpower to cycle through snow and rain.

[@derherrdirektor9686]

Yeah, get some of that healthy (actually not) thick north Italian air deep into your airways. Or commit suicide.. doesn't make a difference probably... www.eea.europa.eu/themes/air/urban-air-quality/european-city-air-quality-viewer My guess, why so many people there died from covid..

[@airplanewhat5316]

Im from Milan too! I commute everyday from my house (outside Milan) to my school that is near Porta Venezia, and even though people seem to admire me for that they still are scared to commute by bike... even though I find that there are always secondary streets that are hardly busy so they are totally safe. while the big ones absolutely need bike lanes to be ridden.

[@deFruitberg]

@@derherrdirektor9686 You conveniently forget to mention that car drivers even get more of that bad air in their lungs. And no, the airfilters onyour car don't block everything.

[@BestPrezz]

Imagine your husband gets killed and the police wont do anything because of a stereotyp. Honestly, thats terrifying.

[@ikt32]

Christ what a hellscape. I knew cycling wasn't popular in North America, but straight hatred because of your mode of transport? What the heck? Imagine being angry at people who have legs because SOMEONE dared to JAYWALK one time.

[@MrWiggenhammer]

North America is getting more and more divided. If people there don't calm their arses down and open their minds a bit, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a civil war within the next 20 years.

[@stefanb6539]

@@MrWiggenhammer next 20 years? Let's hope, they get past the upcoming election in November! Trump keeps pushing the idea of fraud, and spurring on his militias, while all institutions of power are led by his loyalists.

[@JasperJanssen]

Alexander Wijnhamer wow, you’re a bit of an optimist, aren’t you. You really think they’ll last another 20 years?

[@thepepchannel7940]

I think the hatred in Anglo-saxon countries has to do exactly with the point of this video. Cyclists are people who take cycling very seriously, and probably zoom through busy city traffic without regards to traffic rules. It’s kind of like those Dutch ‘wielrenner peletons’ that everyone hates

[@capes5880]

This is not just North America. I live in Hungary where many people think about the same. 20 years ago when we had much less bike routes in the capital and I had to ride on the normal roads to work at least once a day someone spat at me when driving by, not to mention the constant threats of close passing. Now, we have a lot of designated bike routes, but still a good portion of the population believes cyclists are the new hippies and they must be disciplined to be adults. There are always some peoples walking on the bike road and shouting I don't give a shit if it's for bikes, while the drivers are mad if you have to ride on a road. In general, there is this fascinating thinking of many when they feel like a superior creature because they got a car. I find it very funny because the average Hungarian drives a 10 year old crap that worth half of my bike best and still he feels above me... I ride my bike for fun and I use a car for commuting, but I never felt superhuman owning any of them.

[@andrewmartin2321]

massive props to everyone who got “punishment passed” without subsequently being arrested for attempted murder

[@camelopardalis84]

I wonder if I got "punishment passed" once. I had never heard the term. It was almost ten years ago and during quite a brief time that I even rode a bike regularly - and at all. To this day I wonder how I managed to stay so calm, and not be freaked out by it. A car touched my left handlebar when passing me. I checked to see whether I was driving too far to the left or anything (not that this would have been any reason to do what that person did), but no. I was slightly further to the left than usually, but not further left than a lot of other cyclists I compared myself with right afterwards and definitely not too far to the left. Not legally speaking, not in any other way.

[@jasonreed7522]

I feel like "punishment passes" should be considered attempted murder (with a vehicle). I'm from a rural area where people will bike along both backroads (minimal shoulder but low traffic) and the "highway" (state highway, 1 lane each way with a decent shoulder). Bikers are always on the shoulder and i try to get over (atleast half into the other lane when possible) or slow down enough the way you a legally required to for a cop who has someone pulled over. We also have a "bike path" which is a paved 5k around a golf club, and it shares the parking lot. It doesn't really take you anywhere as its on the edge of town but its a nice place to walk, roller skate, bike or whatever on whats essentially a 1 lane road with a ban for all motor vehicles. (Except maintenance people which i have personally never seen). I don't see why cities would ever want 6 lanes of cars (3 each way) when you could get away with a wider sidewalk, a bike lane (protect by concrete pillars like the front of Walmart or the grocery store), a single set of car lanes, and a dedicated transit lane (tram or bus or whatever). But 3 lanes of cars each way feels like such a waste of space. Bonus points for having motor vehicle banned shortcuts everywhere to let pedestrians and bikes (possibly separate with paint) become truly faster than cars. I would also recommend having a subway stop out side the city with a large parking area so countryfolk can drive to the city, park outside, and then take the tranzit the rest of the way.

[@codyherring3895]

the drivers are weak people, no way they would stop for a confrontation. I'm an even tempered fellow, and I wouldn't hit a person, but if somebody did that to me on purpose and I caught up to them, there would certainly be a dent to knock out of their car.

[@TheGrundigg]

@@codyherring3895 "the drivers"... you are part of the problem.

[@smiley7083]

Thank you

[@thetwopointslow]

3:15 I love the reenactment of the entire office dropping everything to celebrate your manager making a joke at your expense

[@TheVladBlog]

Buying a bycicle at 25 was the best decision of my life. I got fit(because I obsess over speed and getting to work as fast as possible), I got over my depression caused by the difficulty of life and which was made worse by having to commute for 2 hours every day and cramming with hundreds of people in a small cube. I stopped being ill all the time and became happy. And I was never late for work again.

[@TheZacman2]

The fact that the politician who didn’t like cyclists was fat was funny.

[@93Hotshot]

And smoked crack

[@alexseguin5245]

It's also funny because he's dead now XD, although now his brother is Premier.

[@thirtydollarusername]

"yes i have smoked crack cocaine"

[@theymademepickaname1248]

That dude is a legend, but not in a good way.

[@comradepolarbear6920]

@@dutchman7623 junkies are drug addicts. Why would they steal a bike

[@timpauwels3734]

After growing up in The Hague, I studied in London, where the slightly dodgy new cycling infrastructure got me interested in cycling developments there. I looked up “cycling in London” and saw helmet cam videos of “cyclists”. What shocked me was their insistence on arrogantly policing the behaviour of other cyclists and their open disrespect towards slower cyclists on ordinary bikes - mostly aimed at older women. The guy cycled after a middle aged woman on a Boris bike to stop her and tell her off for entering a small, quiet one-way street in the wrong direction! In my initial optimism, I looked to see if there were any used “classic” (maybe even Dutch brands) bikes sold anywhere. I came across a Guardian article about a new “women’s bike shop” that was also selling brands like Gazelle. It was strange to me that there needed to be a “women’s bike shop” (they’re not catered to in normal shops? Men won’t buy comfortable bikes?). The comments were full of “cyclists”, one of whom said something like “not sure if I agree with all these girlies taking to the roads-better to leave space for more capable cyclists!” There were also many “cyclists” who were extremely opposed to cycle infrastructure (bike lanes and bike traffic lights) because it would “slow them down”. Apparently the whole point is to display your youthful masculinity by risking life and limb weaving through rush hour traffic...

[@estherbosbach377]

@@franklin23st Yeah, my ex boyfriend rode my simple pink woman's bike for a year, bc his was stolen and I was not able to bike at that particular time. Really, nobody bloody cares. It is sometimes even the other way round: among students it is a sport who rides the most trash bike, calles "stationfiets", a "train station bike". LOL. The advantage is, that nobody will steal your bike, when you are a broke student.

[@puppeli]

@@joost9098 im jealous. Used bikes are *expensive* where i live (Finland). 20 years ago the cheapest *used* bicycles were like 50 euros. Nowadays they start at around 100 euros.

[@dafiltafish]

"men's" vs. "women's" bikes is such a stupid distinction. If you're buying new, you buy a bike that fits and if you are buying used, you make it work; to hell with what size the wheels are, what shape the frame is, and how squishy the seat is, it's a vehicle.

[@simonh6371]

@@puppeli Those bikes aren't called junk bikes because they're junk, in NL ''junk'' is a short form of ''junky''. They're normally bought off drug addicts who have stolen them. If you buy those bikes, karma dictates that yours will get stolen lol. But I guess some people buy them after a bike they bought legally was stolen.

[@shersmk90]

@@puppeli You probably don't have more bikes than people living in your country. We have at least 18 million bikes and only 17 million people. A lot of bikes at stations or random streetlights are 'zwerffietsen'- quick translation 'homeless-bikes' so for cities and other places it is better for the environment to fixed those bikes cheap and sell them for cheap for 30-50€ per bike.

[@dimasskarabas]

I've been on the receiving end of the 'punishment pass' once I was on my bicycle, riding home from my girl, on a 10 km route When I was passing a road installation in form of some concrete blocks (Ukraine resident), this installation reduced the road to one lane in each direction. When I reach it, I stop on the side of the road, look around for cars, wait till there aren't any in sight so I can move on. I slowly start going, when there is some crazy dude on a Priora, dashing out of a corner, nearly smashing me against a concrete block. This fuck even honked at me! And not like he was in a rush, because when he passed he slowed down and was going below average speed, and even if he was, there are still other people om the road Every day, I think about why these persons are doing what they are doing and can't find an any explanation other than a small pee-pee

[@HemstitchedIrony]

A big part of this behavior is that roads are viewed as space "for cars" and if you're on a road and not in a car, people feel as if you are encroaching on their space since they're in a car like they're supposed to be. Yes, it is exactly as stupid as it sounds, but places that allocate plenty of space for bikes don't have as much of a problem with this, verses places where "everywhere a car can go a bike can too!", those are the worst places to bike in America because you constantly feel like you're going to die and people treat you like a nuisance instead of a pedestrian or someone trying to get where they want to go.

[@cycologist7069]

Cyclists (or bike riders) always point out that they have a legal right to be on the roads, which they do. Drivers (The one's who don't like bikes on the road) always declare roads are for cars. While they are wrong in saying that, the truth is that while cyclists have every right to be there, roads (up until recently) were not designed with cyclists in mind. That's why there needs to be a complete overhaul with better bike infrastructure in mind. Until then, many areas will remain dangerous. I've been hit a few times and at one point had to spend a week in the hospital.

[@patricklinford689]

@@cycologist7069 where I like bikes can go on the sidewalk and in the road But it is safer to ride in the rode here because a large portion people won't stop until they are covering the sidewalk or crosswalk

[@Rebecca-vg2ef]

there's also the thing with everyone complaining about "cyclists" breaking traffic rules but no one considers that those rules were made for cars and often don't make sense for bikes. Sometimes it's actually more dangerous to follow the rules than to break them (and e.g. cross a traffic light with the pedestrians)

[@dash4800]

@@cycologist7069 lets not pretend that 'cyclists' dont behave like complete pricks on the road. Just because you have the right to be there doesnt mean you should sit in the middle of the lane going 20 in a 35 zone and back up traffic. And then of course when you inevitably get everyone stuck at a light or a train you just zip through the light or take the pedestrian bridge over the train, leaving all the cars you slowed down to wait. And as for bike infrastructure, most people dont use it. My town spent millions adding bike lanes to most downtown roads with the exceptions being the major ones, but nobody ever uses them. Instead of going a block over where they could use a bike lane for miles they would rather sit in the middle of a busy street, why, because they want to do what they want to do no matter its effect on others. Its this mindset that pisses drivers off, while drivers have laws they are supposed to obey bike riders are under no obligation. Also, this guys video makes it seem like we just have a bad experience every now and then. No, its every day with this crap. And you know what, this could all be alleviated if bike riders could just pull over to the shoulder to give drivers room to pass. But it will be a cold day in hell before that happens. They have a right to the road so right in the middle of the lane is where they will stay.

[@cycologist7069]

@@dash4800 I never said cyclists are never at fault, but the fact is they still have a right to be there. Regardless of how many people will take advantage of better bike infrastructure I'm all for it. I drive also.

[@uniworkhorse]

Rolling coal makes me so mad... I live in SF and tbh haven't really commuted outside of here too much. I know how risky it can get sometimes in the city, but to see that people go to such lengths to hurt bikers is honestly quite heartbreaking.

[@DavidLindes]

Yeah, I saw those clips and became livid... like, I think society should treat that as attempted murder.

[@sys-blue]

The worst thing about it in my opininon is the fact that those modifications are not even made because it were so funny to drive a car that doesn‘t burn its fuel completely. These cars are deliberately made objectively worse (air pollution, higher fuel consumption, more expensive to operate) just due to an ignorant impulse of „resistance“ and in order willfully discomfort and harm other people. Rolling coal and punishment passes are not a reaction to any unsocial or misbahaviour of the cyclists but a blunt expression of hate.

[@brrrrrr]

Worst part is that the smoke is deadly and impairs vision

[@brrrrrr]

Oh and they do this to other massive multi ton vehicles because they're not burning fossil fuel and causing global warming

[@Cl0ckcl0ck]

Cars have the nasty tendency to give the drivers the idea that everyone outside the car isn't a real human being. I've noticed it happens to me too. I'm so much more likely to behave anti-social when I'm in a car and I have to remind myself often to not be an arsehole. Strangely this shift is only towards the negative. Cyclists may feel they are going to war but people in cars feel themselves somehow protected from negative consequences of their bad behavior. And sadly in many countries society seems to accept this and be ok with bad behaviour.

[@stefanb6539]

Yes, I have been working as a nurse in out-patient service in Hamburg for five years. I really think people in Hamburg as a whole are exceptionally polite, civil and friendly for a city of that size.... until they get behind the wheels of a car, when they all mutate into a*****s.

[@jordyverberne5340]

Reminds me of this old cartoon kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXerhWSirJipias

[@Cl0ckcl0ck]

@@jordyverberne5340 It was true in 1950 and it is still true today. Sad really that this bit of human psychology has never been effectively dealt with. "Motor Mania is a cartoon released by Walt Disney Productions on June 30, 1950. In this madcap motoring animation, Goofy transforms into a Mr. Hyde-type split personality, when he gets behind the wheel and provides the lowdown on how to not drive safely."

[@Cl0ckcl0ck]

@@stefanb6539 Thanks man for taking care of our weak and vulnerable. Especially in a time like this!

[@thebrightestsun4685]

In the countries where the cyclists are the part of common traffic flow, they become similar to pedestrians on the roads (like in the previous centuries) so they become an annoyance. When the flow is separated - like in the Netherlands - the problem disappears.

[@visiblur]

I'm a native Dane. I've never realized that bikes were this looked down upon in the Americas. I've biked all my life, from biking to kindergarten with my mom to biking to lectures and work some 20 years later.

[@wholesomebaker5410]

Too be honest I cycled Europe, 1700km... And I don't consider myself a cycler. I don't have any cyclist clothes, I don't know much about bikes and I have zero interest in bike events. I'm just vibing on my bike because it's great for London (if you don't care about your safety) and to experience the world around you (if you don't care about your safety)

[@Drakenvlieg]

That's because someone riding a bike is a "fietser". In the Netherlands we have a different minority.. ..Wielrenners..

[@ewoutbuhler5217]

Here's were the dark side of The Netherlands surfaces! Normal bike-riding for transportation is not a minority so completely accepted. But then here come the race cyclist, who tend to move in big groups, during the weekend, taking the main road even if there's a bike lane, because they are so fast and with many. Here is were de Dutch tolerance gets challenged and often ends...

[@ikt32]

Recently, "e-bikers": VERY fast granny cycling at incredible hihg speed

[@FirefoxisredExplorerisblueGoog]

Definitely a topic worth getting into. Race cyclists often ignore traffic stops and exhibit the same behavior to fellow cyclists as the drivers do in this video. I've been called names numerous times because I'm not stopping for racers when they're supposed to let me through first. Naturally, I return the favour :).

@@ikt32 Hey, I love passing e-bikes uphill! (Well, wherever there is a hill here in the Netherlands. See my profile picture.)

[@ehekkert]

The 'wielrenner' is the cyclist of the Netherlands. It seems that the majority of the Dutch have a negative image of the 'wielrenner' and will attach that image to each and every 'wielrenner' they see.

[@DaltonHBrown]

9:25 Rolling coal makes my blood boil. I recall a headline, back a some years ago, of a group of these assholes who rolled coal on a guy sleeping in his car with his window down. That man died of carbon monoxide poisoning because of it.

[@hauntedshadowslegacy2826]

I was at a convention in Seattle once, and this HIRED VEHICLE that was paid for by PUBG was 'rolling coal' repeatedly in front of the convention center. I shit you not. Thankfully, they moved the vehicle a few streets over the next day, but it was still 'rolling coal'. Asthmatics like me have a tough enough time in American urban areas. But actual blatant manslaughter? Yeah, all rolling coal modifications NEED to be outlawed. The compensating, microdick-having, entitled whiners can grow up.

[@Alexander-dn4rw]

Damn, that's just shitty. I love bikes and I love cars and trucks and modded ones too, but bad apples like this is what I hate. If it's what you like, and what makes you happy, sure, you do you, roll coal on an empty stretch of road without anyone or just do it on your property, I'm cool. But when someone does it to actively harm someone, or cause an inconvenience that's what pisses me off. I dont think it should be outlawed per say, but it definitely should be monitored/policed in public areas, or even better prohibited in certain areas. Just my opinion though, I just like bikes and racecars lol

[@jborrego2406]

Never heard that b4 crazy

[@98Zai]

@@Alexander-dn4rw Why not outlaw? It's not permitted to produce and sell a car like that, for a host of reasons, so why should it be permitted to alter your car in such a way? I can't think of another type modification where the law isn't consistent for both manufacturers and individuals.

[@Alexander-dn4rw]

@@98Zai Respectfully, I wouldn't want to outlaw it because of the mass amount of car and truck enthusiasts alike that enjoy working on and modifying cars. I like doing that too, what I don't like is causing harm to people. There are a lot of people out there that will modify there cars in such a way as a hobby, either to build cars with their friends or build cars for track day, etc. In my personal opinion, I wouldn't want to outlaw the modifications out right, but outlaw behaviors that cause major harm to people, and have a proper amount of punishment for doing one of those things.

[@loganpatino3405]

I just visited Amsterdam and actually had a similar revelation myself. I typically commute by bike in the states, and I remember when I bought my bike it was intimidating, like I had to have some sort of insider knowledge or experience to "be a cyclist". I now own a somewhat pricey road bike even though I really just need a cruiser bike to get around and never take it out for any sort of biking for the sake of it. While biking around Amsterdam, I looked around and realized you never saw those kinds of bikes, probably partly because of brick roads, but also because people just need the practical option. It's a really refreshing mindset!

[@Timberella3003]

When walking in a U.S. city the #1 thing to look out for are motor vehicles. In Amsterdam it's bicycles. I'd rather be hit by the latter. That hurts. The former kills.

[@fennahoogland9167]

As a dutch person I didn't know that this was going on in other countries and it really shocks me to see that happening. Thank you for the educational video and bringing light upon this problem

[@finnk1289]

11:15 You know there's a culture change when you see people not wearing helmets. Yes, statistically it's perfectly safe, and it's a sign that people just got on a bike and started riding it where they want to go.

[@grumpynerd]

I just get on my bike and go for a ride all the time, but I always wear my helmet. It's not strictly needed on every ride, but it's actually simpler just to wear it all the time than to evaluate whether or not I need it this time, every time. If you *exclusively* ride in Dutch style bike infrastructure on a typical Dutch bike, it's reasonable to skip the helmet by default. But you can't extrapolate from that to saying that's the "right way" for every ride or rider.

[@MetallicAddict15]

I'm from Belgium and have been riding a bike my whole life (23 years of cycling). Like most people here, I don't wear a helmet on a normal bike, only when I'm on a race bike. On a city bike, I just watch my surroundings and adjust my speed to the traffic situation. Have never come close to an accident. We owe that to bike-friendly infrastructure and an overall biker-friendly traffic culture. There's the occasional asshole that will do a 'punishment pass' or something similar (especially in Brussels), but overal this is such a safe environment to cycle that the risk of having an accident is very low.

[@someonesomeone7423]

This is very normal in the Netherlands

[@lokerola]

I was t-boned by an SUV that blew a red light. Let me tell you, if I wasn't wearing a helmet, I wouldn't be here today. I will never, ever, ride without one.

[@misael3377]

Nope I don't buy it. I will use my helmet everywhere, as much as I use the seatbelt. I had fallen without helmet, those weren't major injuries but it is much better with a helmet.

[@TimpBizkit]

"Crack smoking mayor of Toronto, Rob Ford" Wait I thought crack was an appetite suppressant.

[@Bertuzz84]

Haha yeah that didn't work out too well.

[@RaglansElectricBaboon]

@@Bertuzz84 We haven't seen the other reality where he didn't so we don't actually know :)

[@lizzyd]

My biggest take from this video is that I don't have to justify riding my bike to anyone and I really appreciate that.

[@soulcstudios]

Just hearing about this is raising my blood pressure.

[@soulcstudios]

@Jimmy Two Times You forgot your '/s'

[@MrNamenloser21]

@Jimmy Two Times Then you should really try to get them of the roads by advocating for dedicated bike lanes.

[@hil449]

@Jimmy Two Times and i hate people like you who put others in dangers. You should be in jail

[@PickleRicksFATASSCOUSIN]

@Jimmy Two Times bruh, it's bait. He wants to seek attention, and y'all 3 in this thread are giving him exactly what he wants...

[@davidlynch9049]

Canadian living in Munich here. I left Toronto after 4 years of living there. I biked occasionally downtown and it was nearly always a nightmare with angry drivers shouting abuse at me even though I obeyed the traffic laws. I think some of their anger arose out of cyclists not obeying the traffic laws and I saw this everyday. Road rage on both sides happened as well. Like you, I quit cycling for transport because it wasn't worth the danger or abuse. 2 years into my stay in Munich, I cycle everywhere because drivers are also cyclists, there is a cultural tradition of cycling here, and there are dedicated cycling lanes, mostly off the road. I even feel safe here cycling the suburban roads. Canada is very much behind Europe in cycling infrastructure. Very interesting channel btw. Thanks.

[@birdiewolf3497]

Their anger comes from the fact that they think the streets belong to them exclusively (and well when you live in Canada, everything pretty much confirms that feeling). Which is why I don't understand why city ordinances/city planners insist that people need to share the streets with them. They will literally kill people out of annoyance and go on about their day.

[@Emilyogel1]

It is unbelievable how commonly cyclists down here in the U.S. break traffic laws and put themselves in danger. I can absolutely sympathize with people who get annoyed at good cyclists based on their experiences with other bad ones just based on how many bad ones there are. Hell if I wasn't a cyclist myself I'd probably be a lot angrier than I am at the general community in my area. The amount of times I've had to slam on my brakes to avoid one who blew a stop sign or nearly hit someone who I was passing because they last second decided to go across the road without signaling or looking is insane. And yes I have the legal right to pass them on the country roads that I drive on when they are on the right side and going under the minimum speed limit. That's another thing. Some of the roads here have minimum speed limits and I often see cyclists sitting in the middle of the lane doing 10 under the minimum which is technically illegal.

[@Kr0noZ]

Well our big cities have dedicated facilities. Don't try that in smaller towns out in the countryside, you'd piss off almost everyone because you'd have to use roads (no bike lanes/paths) and share space with cars.

[@SentientBratwurst]

The crazy thing is this anti-cyclist culture wouldn’t exist if proper bike infrastructure was in place. As a driver myself, I don’t begrudge anyone on bikes but I’ll admit to some frustration at having to slow down and maneuver around them.

[@ethanstump]

you see the issue though, proper bike infrastructure would mean less people driving, which would mean less people would buy vehicles, which would mean a lower share price on my ford shares! -politician. it always get's back to how to keep share prices artificially inflated, which means artificially driving up demand by underfunding alternatives. from meat production, to car production, to job production, to luxury real estate production. the more resource intensive option is picked, the share price is artificially boosted by intentionally underfunding alternatives, and massive subsidies and tax breaks are brib-lobbied for. this is by design, as it maximizes opportunities for surplus labor extraction. as labor powers our society, for the rich to get rich, they must rent the creation potential of others, renting the lives of others.

[@samshaw1443]

How lazy do you have to be to get annoyed at having to slow down for other vehicles?! Fuck me america is doomed

[@SentientBratwurst]

@@samshaw1443 Have you ever even driven a car? If there’s traffic it can be minutes of coasting at less than half the speed limit waiting for an opportunity to safety pass a bicycle. This can end up crippling traffic if enough people get stuck behind one bicycle. Also I’m Canadian you judgemental goon.

[@samshaw1443]

@@SentientBratwurst I’m a full time car user, I never cycle. Honestly that’s fine. Cycle contribute was more to society by lack of emissions, healthier people equalling less public expenditure on healthcare, also bikes never kill car users but car user kill cyclists every week. The less convenient car use is the better for everyone. I support making car journeys as inconvenient as possible to reduce road numbers. North American then, literally the same attitude and feelings towards cyclist as Americans.

[@joshwilliams7692]

The most frustrating thing for me is when they don't try to let you pass. Where I live, I often encounter cyclists on winding roads in the country. When I ride my bike, I immediately pull over to let cars through. Some jerks will just ride down the center of the road while you wait behind them for 10 minutes. But I also like to ride my bike, and even as courteous as I am to drivers, I've had glass bottles thrown at me, people pass me extremely close for no reason and honk as they do it. It's terrifying. We need safe bike paths that actually GO SOMEWHERE, not just a hiking trail for bikes.

[@predakiller2]

This blew me away. In my country (European) a cyclist is a person who is currently riding a bike. But it's just seen as a method of transportation like all other vehicles

[@leoniedevos1502]

This makes me feel blessed to live in the Netherlands and to be able to ride my bike in peace😁

[@HisameArtwork]

I envy you. As a cyclist and motorcyclist we get so much abuse in Romania that at my road safety class one of our teachers, a lawyer, said it's ok to have a chain to smash cars with. It's the only way they'll learn, the law is not on your side and neither is the police who are all "car people". If by some miracle police actually do their job and arrest you for defending yourself, call me, I'll defend you for free.

[@albin2232]

The Dutch got it right. Still working on it, but far ahead.

[@beans392]

I'm jealous because in the Philippines people would literally get run over by trucks

[@jadenrobinson9781]

I'm glad you and many other people get to enjoy riding a bike in saftey.

[@majorskies7091]

I also envy you I wish I was born in The Netherlands.

[@LucianMelb]

Man...I'm from Melbourne Australia.....whatever you said about cyclist-hate in Canada, it is 100% true here. It's like you were talking about Australia. I have to say, the culture has improved in the last few years. More people cycle in Melbourne, in casual clothes, riding normal bikes, not super expensive speed machines dressed in lycra. Still a long way to go...but, we're getting there. In a way, the pandemic helped as for almost all of 2020, you couldn't find a bike (under $2000) in shops... now, everyone has a bike...

[@SF-eo6xf]

I cycle a shitty bike of gumtree which cost me $90 bucks and do approx 10-20km daily in normal clothes. Most people I see here in Melbs look like they wanna compete at the tour de france and all they do is 3 laps around Albert Park.

[@stevemeng2554]

@@liam3284 Wow, that sounds bad, which street intersection is this? (I'm Melbournian too)

[@misterdayne2792]

But at least you're not doing the Rolling Coal thing, right?

[@bagghius]

I like how you basically just explained how exhausting racism is in your becoming a cyclist section

[@electricant55]

Gotta love the implication that being white makes you immune to racism

[@fasctic3922]

@@electricant55 It doesn't.. But in a western country you'll barely experience any racism if you're white. If you were to travel to china for example you'd definitely experience it. What matters is being part of the majority/norm or not of a society.

[@CindySeminario]

@@fasctic3922 sometimes it’s not about the majority but about the group that’s in power

[@Futurepointmusic]

@@CindySeminario which is usually the majority

[@ethanstump]

@@Futurepointmusic last i checked, rich people make up the minority of the population, yet have a majority impact on what laws are passed, not only in the extremely oligarchic USA, but even in places like New Zealand. “Civil government, so far as it is instituted for the security of property, is in reality instituted for the defence of the rich against the poor, or of those who have some property against those who have none at all.” [Smith, Adam. The Wealth of Nations. Book V, Chapter I, Part II, 775]

[@jamesclawson9243]

My problem is as an adult in the US, anything to do with a bike is assumed to be for sport. I just wanna ride a bike to work/the bus, down the river trail, or to the store down the street. Fortunately, living in a college town, the bike infrastructure is actually decent (very good by North American standards).

[@Pannemat]

"Hey, you breathe. You're a breathist!"

[@MsMesem]

yes, no mask

[@doktormcnasty]

And as such you shall be fully responsible for the breathing actions of breathists everywhere!

[@mourlyvold7655]

So are you! I hope...

[@Matthew_Does_To_Many_Things]

@@MsMesem no….. masks protect yourself and others but if ur vaccinated your good

[@nottsoserious]

"There was this one breathist.... We were in a packed elevator and he was in front of me. His breath smelled like rotten garlic. i hOpE yOuRe nOt oNe oF tHeM"

[@Wowccraft]

The "becoming a spokesperson" thing happens to us motorcyclists also. A TON. I think motorcycles offer a lot of similar benefits to bicycles, but there's the same sort of disdain for casual bikers.

[@Deliverygirl]

Worst of all is that squids are a real thing, the jackasses attracted to sportsy bikes doing stupid shit and giving everyone who just enjoys motorcycling a bad name. Yes, I like the wind and going fast, but I won't weave on the highway at 200kmh or rev to 5k on a silent night-time city street.

[@canterlevi]

Of all transport options on the road, I always steer clear (literally, I guess) of motorcyclists. They seem so vulnerable, unprotected from the elements like people on bicycles, but riding very powerful machines like cars. I mainly see bicycles on country roads on my way to the stables.

[@Wowccraft]

@@radishpineapple74 I think the mental benefits are similar - more in touch with your city/surroundings, more concentrated on the activity at hand, etc. For my mental health it's way better than sitting in a car. It's dangerous for the driver, but that doesn't really affect health insurance rates for others where I'm from (as far as I know). If we only ever did the things that were the absolute safest to spare other people a few bucks on health insurance, the world would be a sad place.

[@jsteel89]

@@radishpineapple74 Motorcycles are way more efficient than cars.

[@Paul_C]

The average motorcyclists need to adjust their speeds. And, more than speed, get a decent muffler installed, preferably one muffler per cylinder. It is hell on earth when the open the throttle.

[@jaapdewit2596]

Maybe being dutch I don't understand why being called a "cyclist" is a bad thing. (neither I would mind being called a hippie or three hugger,:P).

[@benedykt123313]

Nou ja we hebben hier in Nederland ook een vrij negatieve associatie met (amateur) wielrenners. Je weet wel, van die lui die schreeuwen over het fietspad dat je aan de kant moet, door rood licht rijden omdat ze anders "uit hun flow raken", geen voorrang verlenen bij kruispunten of zebrapaden, overal en nergens rommel dumpen omdat ze anders mee moeten nemen en iets te vaak van die mannen van middelbare leeftijd met een licht buikje zijn. Zo'n stereotyp is natuurlijk niet van toepassing op iedereen op een racefiets, maar dat is wel wat ze in het Verenigd Koningrijk, Canada of de VS met de term 'cyclist' bedoelen.

[@ImreVogelezang]

@@benedykt123313 precies

[@lzh4950]

In my country (with 'only' 440km of bicycle lanes, vs ~2700km of roads & about double that of pavements) I believe public bus drivers & passengers sometimes get peeved when their bus is held up by a cyclist in front of them (as they're legally supposed to be on the left-most lane of roads instead of pavements, where buses are often at too). For the bus to safely overtake the cyclist it'd have to filter into the neighbouring lane (as buses are wide), which can be difficult as there'll often be faster traffic in the way

[@richardpope3063]

These are peoples 'mythical beasts' lists.

[@gearandalthefirst7027]

In the US at least, it's the decades of propaganda and oil wars that make "tree hugger" an insult for many people

[@ian_davidson]

Being a Skateboarder watching this it’s kinda funny because we are hated much more then cyclists. But I also ride mountain bikes and will commute via bicycles when the weather allows. I do appreciate you making such a legitimate in depth video and completely agree with your viewpoints. Thanks for your pubic service Sir!

[@iPig]

It's amazing what two extra wheels will do to your sense of entitlement. I commuted by motorcycle in LA for years and experienced the same general treatment. "Ugh I hope you're not one of THOSE bikers always cutting in traffic." Despite the fact that filtering is better for everyone involved. And legal...

[@bertmeinders6758]

I do a lot of filtering, as much as feels safe on a full-bodied touring bike, mostly on my way home from work where the highways have not yet been improved (There's a big, overdue set of highway building going on after years of neglect and traffic-lights- are-the-answer fetish. Some, a vary few, drivers try to block me, but it's legal, and since I pay between five and ten times as much to register a 600+cc motorcycle than I would to register a car, I should get some return on that. The only hazard with filtering is the number of bikers who filter much too fast, usually on unmuffled HDs or barely muffled sportbikes with aftermarket 4-1 exhausts.

[@klausbrinck2137]

Also motorcyclist here... What does "filtering" means, in this context ??? Thanks á priori...

[@iPig]

@@klausbrinck2137 Driving between cars, particularly when approaching a stoplight.

[@klausbrinck2137]

@@iPig Oh, like every normal day should be, in other words. Well, in Germany, of course, it´s illegal, but even if some envious idiot calls the police, how are they gonna reach me anyways, if I´m between all the cars? Besides, only a police-motorcycle can go after a motorcycle in Germany, and the police has very few motorcycles, so, no time for my BS... In Greece, on the other side, filtering is perfectly legal, exactly as is opening your car-door, anywhen you like. Mostly, the doors that open, belong to envious car-drivers, right at the moment some motorbike drives-by ;-)

[@iPig]

@@klausbrinck2137 Oh I'm actually surprised it's illegal in Germany! I thought it was legal just about everywhere in Europe. California is the only state in the US where it's technically legal. Absolutely absurd that it's not fully legal everywhere in my opinion.

[@Natika101]

Living in the UK here. I was aware of the divide between cyclists and drivers. I had always assumed you had to be a certain type of person to cycle (have the cycling gear, brave the crap weather, put up with potential death all around you) It didn't occur to me that it was a viable method of transport and thinking back on it (pre we all now work from home days) it actually might have been. I had never heard of a punishment pass or even rolling coal. How horrible. I've been annoyed at a group of cyclists once and that was in a country lane where they were 4 abreast. But thinking back on it, once we got to a stretch of road that I could legally and safely over take them on, they got into single file. It was just my impatience and nothing to do with them. :-|

[@SoulDevoured]

Ime most road rage is just impatience. I've been guilty of it too.

[@erlingwikborg6076]

That is actually pretty common to do when cycling in a bigger group (usually people who do it for exercise with a team). Because of people trying to overtake when it is not safe, cyclists will instead spread out and wait for a good place you can pass, so that they shield themselves from dangerous drives, which there is a lot of...

[@Kr0noZ]

​@@erlingwikborg6076 If cyclist went single file all the time, there'd be many more places to overtake them. OP's description is classic bike person crap. Going 4 wide, making it impossible to pass without going completely onto the opposing lane, should be illegal. That forces a driver to creep after them for potentially quite a while on rural roads (turns, trees, hedges etc. already block views, making it hard to safely overtake anything on most rural roads in my area so I'd be stuck behind the cyclists unless I risk yolo'ing it and cross into the other lane to get a better view ahead). Not cool!

[@ChrisDecrease]

@@Kr0noZ , a vehicle takes up an entire lane; why can't a group of cyclists?

[@Kr0noZ]

@@ChrisDecrease Well a bike is much narrower, so in the bike's case it's that cyclists that make them take up more space than they otherwise would. A car is simply larger, and as a result needs the space. I simply expect drivers to take only as much room an the road as they actually need. And before you bring it up, yes, there are car drivers using basically 2 lanes because they're idiots. They shouldn't do that either.

[@jamesbthejoke5614]

A good way to reduce “car-centric” start limiting the physical size of cars like Japan does, look at Kei cars. You don’t need a 2.2m wide, 5.7m long car for commuting. Start taxing those cars out of existence.

[@kretsche9990]

Undiscussable in the land of the automobile. 🇩🇪

[@AdoobII25]

@@kretsche9990 dunno what u mean but Germany is amazing for cycling. Everyone respects you and sometimes you can drive in the middle of the road without having people bothering you.

[@kretsche9990]

@@AdoobII25 Not at all. Unfortunately.

[@AdoobII25]

@@kretsche9990 oh really, I live in Munich but I thought all Germany shares the same attitude toward bikes

[@skinnflint]

You've never been to north america

[@keylandro7450]

I really hope one day we can have safer cities to bike in the United States.

[@NotJustBikes]

That would certainly be a major improvement. Thanks for the SuperThanks!