Toxicity Tierlist with Cope | Dead by Daylight

[@visscolter5324]

To balance things out you'll have to do a greatest acts of kindness tier list 😄

[@gleeetenderers7926]

Ideas: Dropping items for other players Bringing last survivor to hatch Visiting streamer after game and complimenting them Helping killer when a teammate is cheating

[@kaib6998]

@@gleeetenderers7926 -seeing someone being sandbagged and not using that to your advantage but rather go for the sandbagger -helping others to get their achievement -as a killer, letting someone finish their glyph before hitting them

[@terriblyterrified8742]

going easier on the remaining survivors when 2 or 3 others dc from the match?

[@Name-ql7jf]

Best DBD wholesome in game memes list

[@geostorm8192]

@@gleeetenderers7926 boop the snoot

[@ivisaboss2319]

I love how cope just confesses to doing everything on the list 😂

[@shirokku3279]

Keeping it real, I can respect that hahaha. I feel like most of us have done at least half of these things by accident if not on purpose. Many times likely out of frustration.

[@Kate-dn9hx]

@@haiz768 109 more people care about their comment than yours rn soooo

[@SpookyYetPolite]

@@haiz768 The dedication, zamn

[@Drimirin]

@@haiz768 What a pathetic little life you must have.

[@adelineboswell6791]

@@shirokku3279 oh my goodness, the number of times I accidentally T-bagged the killer mid-chase because I hit the wrong key in a panic 🙃 always feel bad about that.

[@imatrapcard3641]

At this point, Otz may rate every survivors hairstyle

[@Mr_Dancy_Pants]

As long as Vittorio is in S tier.

[@nailwind]

Fabio hair Felix is pretty S-tier

[@Mr_Dancy_Pants]

Bald Dwight is 404 Tier- Hair Not Found

[@opaulada8236]

and i'll still fucking watch his 20-hour-video about that

[@luckycorn8590]

Laurie Vittorio and Mikaela win

[@PotatoGuidanceMissle]

Toxicity on the Survivor side: *angry typing, clicking flashlights, teabagging, constant harassment* Toxicity on the Killer side: *angry typing, slapping survivors on hook, forcing bleed out, constant harassment* the Entity: let us match these players with the most wholesome and fun-loving players to ruin their love of the game.

[@Helena-me6mp]

honestly i think its pretty funny when a killer just spams M1 at the hook XD

[@suricatal]

@@Helena-me6mp i do that when i get teabagged lul teabag again you little shit while slashing

[@Helena-me6mp]

@@suricatal XD same

[@jansantander9020]

The other day I had to bleed out a full squad that was all going boil over and sabo 😭. Still if u don't want me to hook y'all I won't (I couldn't).

[@Valgient]

I disagree with clicking flashlights, I personally do it for fun not as BM, it’s not something that should be toxic

[@Blargel]

Cope: I think that belongs in "not nice" and here's a story of a personal experience I had about this. *tells of a war crime being committed to him* Otz: And you think that's only "not nice"???

[@ZTGallagher]

Yeah, it's like Cope was aggressively against acknowledging some people's bad behavior. Like, if people behaved that way if I invited over to my house to play boardgames, I'd never invite them back. And Cope would be there like "Dude all he did was brag and jeer everyone all game. It's fine."

[@arshadzaidi4667]

@@ZTGallagher Its a videogame, not real life though. If they did it in person, then yeah it'd be more disrespectful.

[@ZTGallagher]

@@arshadzaidi4667 That's always been a poor excuse to me. We play video games in real life. It's not computers playing against each other. I, as a person, still have to deal with their behavior, as a person.

[@nat-uraldisasterpieces8647]

@@ZTGallagher I'm glad someone else thinks this. I never understood the logic that the means of communication somehow affects the severity of what is being communicated. I have unironically met people who defend people telling each other to commit "sewer slide" under the pretense of "Bro it's just an end game chat lol it's fine". Or "Well that's his twitch chat he can say whatever he wants freedom of speech". Like take Uno. A game you can play both in person and online. If I play a Draw 4 on the same friend, once in person and once online, it's suddenly ok (Or at least not as bad) for him to call me slurs online? Like in person it's bad but online he can call me a slur? He's calling me the same thing all the same and it's just as insulting all the same. But no we always just tell the side being harrassed to grow thicker skin. We tell people to just "deal with it" but don't encourage the other side to be better.

[@AttorneyGamer]

@@arshadzaidi4667 and that is exactly the piss poor way of thinking that causes people to act like assholes online. It is a real life communication...not sure what reality you live in but players do not stop being real people in video games.

[@alekizzu4705]

4:40 last night I played a game and the dude who died first waitrd until the end just to tell me "I hope your favourite tooth decays and it hurts when you bite into your favourite foods" that one literally made my day

[@triniskittles_]

Lmfao that's such a good one 😭💀

[@thedoomslayer5863]

Almost as evil as "I hope every pillow you ever lay your head on at night is steamy hot"

[@chozo_artifact2]

I do enjoy the creative ones

[@johnnieclemons2921]

😂 that’s awesome

[@The_Mister_Jey]

Otz and Cope: *talking about endgame chat complaints* Me, a console player: I don't have such weaknesses

[@Overlegion]

Private messages: Hold my beer 😭

[@Diphenhydra]

I had to turn off messages because of how many toxic messages I would get. And I’ve been around the block. MW2 chat lobbies, never got messages outside of it. Trolling infected CoD Ghosts matches, didn’t get too many. I played maybe 20 hours of killer, with cross play on, and I got more toxic messages outside of the game than any other time I’ve played a multiplayer game.

[@eriiicj.1558]

Def nothing like getting called Satan through a message that also goes to your phone app 😮‍💨

[@shirokku3279]

As a PC player with crossplay on, I've found some really fast typers on console xD I'd be going "gg", haven't gotten to push Enter yet and there's already a 1000 word paragraph from a survivor detailing the precise position and implements with which I should go fuck myself.

[@Barec76]

@@shirokku3279 And how are they messaging you cause console doesn't have end game chat

[@ganymede6295]

My problem with bully squads is that the squads fun requires them making someone else's experience less fun. It sucks to be a new/casual player (or anyone trying to just play a game they like) and have a bully squad in your first game, it can sour you on the experience very quickly

[@SrMadru]

Mmr stops that from happening

[@flenx4383]

@@SrMadru mmr doesn't work most of the time so yeah he get that point

[@flenx4383]

@@SrMadru its happen to my friend hes new to dbd and get sabo squad that made him dc

[@SrMadru]

@@flenx4383 we both have different experiences clearly but i made a new account (not smurfing, lost the old one) and 50 hours in i have not run into bully squads

[@adelineboswell6791]

Hey your name matches my pfp! Yes, I was definitely discouraged after being bullied and giving up as killer, only to have the survivors do no gens for quite a while and just try to harass me to get a reaction while afk. When I play, I try to keep in mind the experience of the other side, so no full face camping or bleeding out, and no excessive bullying. Never really been in a swf that was able to get away with bullying like that (and not high enough skill to pull it off), but if I see that the killer is getting discouraged and having a hard time, I'll go easier on them. Love the idea of helping the killer take out a cheating survivor. Ayrun did a video recently where he had a bully squad take on a poor bubba. After harassing him and goofing off for 45 min, bubba got at least a 3k and got to rancor mori a guy. If I was gonna do some stupid mechanics, I'd want to let the killer have me at the end of it as compensation for the silly antics.

[@koffiya9184]

> Just loses a game and gets t-bagged from inside exit gate > This video gets instantly posted and recommended to me Otz.. how did you.. ?

[@EconomyCrashes]

Probably a coincidence which is sad tbh

[@abubaytnighan6480]

There is always a killer being tbagged somewhere on Earth at all times

[@martasudrabina2900]

ehhh, this is why i just don't go to exit gates anymore. never worth it :D

[@Glompasaurus]

"Hi friends this is otz, I'm living inside your walls."

[@gleeetenderers7926]

@@martasudrabina2900 -Starts running bloodwarden to counter people t bagging in exit gates - not running anything to allow 1-hit killing people so can’t do anything to down healthy survivors in exit gates -bloodwarden outlines survivors in exit gates aura, allows you to see them t-bagging It’s that easy 😎

[@TrueCarthaginian]

I don't think Cope is taking into consideration the average player in these scenarios. He seems to only be looking at these things from a content creator with thousands of hours perspective.

[@Cystro]

Being mean in twitch chat: Mortal Sin Fully denying someone's ability to play the game by facecamping as Cannibal: erm.... not nice I guess bordering on fine

[@Her_Viscera]

I dont know much about Cope but I really did not enjoy his presence or opinion in this vid. He seems burnt out!

[@danikamcleod707]

@@Her_Viscera yeah I felt the same. Or maybe he felt his play style was being called out because he seemed to defend things like tunneling and camping. I’m not familiar with his play style at all so idk, but yeah. That’s what I took from it.

[@v1p3r62]

@@danikamcleod707 He's a survivor main with like 8k hours or something. Honestly haven't watched any of his stuff but checked him out cause he was in a 1v1 video made by Otz and he lost him lol

[@jacho4625]

I'm really not okay with the bully squads being into "Not Okay". I barely play killer because I'm too afraid of seeing these men, I swear they deserve a worse category than only "Not Okay"...

[@TheOnlyNial]

The actual tierlist in Dead By Daylight i never knew i need

[@flatlo]

I care.

[@fizzizist]

Honestly, I think the thing is with t-bagging in Dead by Daylight and how killers can get really frustrated themselves isn't how rude t-bagging is. T-bagging in games is usually done during matches rather than the end of matches in which people have the possibility of getting back at t-baggers. Though, 9 times out of 10, all t-bagging done to piss people off is done when the exit gates are open and the survivors are at the gate. Even I get pissed off from time to time to this because it isn't the actions itself, it's that I know they're full of shit and stroking their ego when the match is essentially done. I feel like they don't get the right to t-bag after the SWF sends me to Ormond and all of them are running gen-rush perks. It ain't that the action itself is offensive, but just the surrounding factors of it.

[@arkirron7172]

Exactly, the intention behind it is what makes it bad. Kind of what baffled me when they put hard tunnelling in “not nice” whilst putting tbagging in “fine”, when most players are just tbagging to try to rub it in and piss someone off, it doesn’t really serve any purpose outside of that, where as tunnelling is a legitimate strategy, otz even does it in some of his games like when he’s had a rough game or the survivors have brought strong stuff and he’s in a rough spot. So a bit weird tbagging got ranked as less toxic, when most people are doing it literally just to be toxic in this game, as opposed to a situational strategy.

[@EnjoyingChaotics]

nah its rude stfu

[@Auron710]

@@arkirron7172 Well goes to show most people are survivor sided if not survivor mains, even these two when it comes down to it lol. I personally hate teabagging BUT I would not remove it. I want to know who is trying to BM me, then I know who to tunnel out and proxy camp and bleed out lol. I can't know which of the survivors are in need of some karma if they are not able to teabag me. It is useful to ask for a heal and say thanks to a fellow survivor. I for one have never BM'd a killer with teabagging, and I have never BM's a survivor who did not BM me first when I am the killer.

[@Woofanoofus]

On the exploit part and Otz was talking about how people almost never move out of spots where you can’t pick them up. I agree entirely and when I couldn’t pick a Feng up I thought she would stay there until someone could come get her. I was sad, but then she moved out of the spot. It was so nice of her! I really respect that Feng, and appreciate that she didn’t use that to their advantage. I wish I could have thanked them in end game chat but they weren’t steam or epicgames

[@gwennygrausamt]

Can you see that you can’t get picked up? I don’t play DbD so I’m not sure if I would realize it if it would happen to me and maybe some players just don’t know about it and think the killer just doesn’t want to pick them up.

[@TheDoomSheep]

@@gwennygrausamt As a survivor you can't know for sure if you're in a spot the killer can't get you but you should notice the killer walk around a little to try to get in a position to pickup especially if they're looking down at you and not forward as if looking for other survivors. But also yea a new survivor player may not know that kind of exploit exists, you're right.

[@GoldKitsuneBrony]

If they just run to where I can't hook them, fine. I'll leave their ass on the ground and now a team mate has to bale you out or you gotta burn an unbreakable.

[@josephhiers9523]

Sometimes uou do literally get stuck. I've been stuck in a wall a couple of times

[@davidcorodeanu4535]

i mean filters are okay legit i have to use them to see something because my eyes are bad so it's just to be able to see normally the nvidia setting are totally okay

[@sanquinlily]

This feels like a strange tierlist, because the ranges of bad intent and effects are so huge.

[@heskymarky]

It really speaks to your charisma and the overall quality of your vids that I watch and enjoy every single one without having played dbd in my life

[@VVen0m]

I've been watching this guy for almost 6 years now and I only started playing the game 4 months ago lol

[@websiteusage518]

you are welcome in the fog if you ever decide to play :)

[@notOtzdarva]

You are too kind my friend.

[@flasco5445]

Me too bud his videos are so entertaining.

[@memshad_]

Wow really? I wonder what it feels like to only know the game through this medium.

[@dartrunner]

What annoys me about tbagging is not the tbagging, but it's the fact that someone is trying to upset someone else in a video game and taunt them. It makes me sad that the only way they can have fun is to try to make people upset

[@Greenleaf_]

Yeah it's just disrespectful, and kills any sort of "immersion" you may have that this is still a horror game. Also I hate the justification of "oh I'm not doing it to be mean it's just fun to press ctrl." Pretty insulting to others intelligence to say such a stupid lie.

[@DalekSquirrel]

@@Greenleaf_ True, no one ever complains about pressing ctrl to teammates. That's different from teabagging which is done at the opponent, idk why people have a hard time separating ctrl ctrl "heal me" and ctrl ctrl "f u killer."

[@kinroga]

​@@DalekSquirrel ya then you also got the people that will tea bag at the exit gate till the very last second of the timer and then say "its just me saying good bye and gg" I just image all 30 of those crouches being its own "gg" and someone just repeating "gg,gg,gg,gg....." Over and over again.

[@wolfshadowshy]

@@Greenleaf_ it's such a damn lie, "oh yea i'm flipping off the opposing team and gesturing at my genitals to say gg and have a little fun hehehe"

[@vl2796]

Its just taunting, aka showing off to the other side that they failed to kill you, literally nothing wrong with that

[@The_Foxymew]

I feel like every time Otz goes out of his way to explain what he means, about which situations does and does not apply to what they're talking about, the first thing Cope says is almost always "But in [situation you said didn't count] I think it's fine"

[@MokiHunter]

@@haiz768 I mean apparently you did enough to take the time to reply/comment 😂

[@sacrificiallamb4089]

@@MokiHunter I’ve seen them on other comments I think it might be a bot

[@ExecutionerOfPosers]

@@sacrificiallamb4089 probably just a fatherless 12 yr fapping all day on femboys

[@salacious_manque]

Cope was obtuse at times.

[@arshadzaidi4667]

Pretty he was just saying it to make things clear to the audience and make things abundantly clear. I think he went a bit overboard, but I don't think he was doing it maliciously or anything like that.

[@EgorNovokshanov]

4 people tbagging a D tier killer at the exit gate: It’s fine

[@ShaadeGaming]

im like fine with that too but if u really just builled the F out of me the whole game. Like come on dont ruin my day even more its like, i had a tough game let it be and just leave. u know ^^

[@EgorNovokshanov]

@@ShaadeGaming yep, that’s what I mean

[@LaysarOwO]

just force them out and dont take it personally

[@herrmuster5272]

@@LaysarOwO or dont go the exitgate. I mean if you clearly lost without any chance of getting someone i dont need to go there to watch them leave. i can sit the timer on my phone. Everybody hates losing, but i dont have to indulge them. And suddenly its way less worse

[@maxfrog4]

It is fine, just ignore them and move on to the next game

[@taoisimdrunkard]

i spent an entire match as myers trying to get enough for evil within for unlimited tier 3 and insta kill. no hooks and the gates have been opened. mikaela in the exit, right at the boundary, stood still long enough to get enough stalk, tbaging and being cute. she couldnt exit fast enough and when the kill animation was done, she was thrown over the escape boundary. felt so good!

[@BakrisKills]

@@haiz768 havin a bad day? On a video about toxicity you decide to find a comment that triggers your reptile brain to be a bozo. Lol get a life and leave other ppl alone. No one cares you have a bad life and want to lash out at others because your an insecure clown.

[@sxar3447]

I care. Good job, the satisfactory kill is always the best

[@RedBloodAura]

@@haiz768 do you copy and paste that message for every comment?

[@DamienCloud]

@@haiz768 why are you being the way you are, why do you have to choose to try to hurt others that you don't even know, is it attention you want?

[@DamienCloud]

@@haiz768 Well you're a pretty sad person an a nuisance to planet earth and I wish you don't reproduce, good day

[@logandaugherty492]

I think why people get upset by t-bagging is that they are already feeling pretty bad after losing a game, and the other team decided to do something that the killer cant really do anything to stop. Especially when you're a baby killer, getting stomped in a 4 v 1 game can feel pretty defeating

[@wjzav1971]

I think its just some major disrespect to the other side that isn't necessary. Imagine a basketball match where one side is clearly winning but each time the winning team throws a hoop they openly mock the loosing team and rub it in their faces how much they suck. Like, if you are simply better at the game and playing to your full capacity, good for you, but no reason to be a dick about it.

[@nikkis.2066]

It's annoying and bad sportsmanship behavior imo, is it going to absolutely ruin my day? No but it's the equivalent of spitting on the ground while playing a sport, or not handshaking at the end if a Soccer game...it's just pointless and rude. It's use is 100% from juicers and 1000+ hour players looping players and teabagging after a pallet stun or vaulting a windowed. Cope really had nothing of value to say why it isn't considered bad or rude behavior. Was such a half-assed response and imo, it's absolutely the gateway to more toxic shit ppl can do towards other players. Wonder of he teabags Killers or not...

[@abdyorozco4092]

The funny part is the ones Tbagging will also be the DC if they are first down

[@krismelton2386]

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[@fmbysUwU]

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[@gabriellef]

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[@SickNickVader1772]

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[@thedutywarlord264]

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[@krismelton2386]

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[@geekachu1519]

As someone who has never even heard of Cope up until now, I feel like he's being a bit too generous with some of the things on the list and Otz is just kinda going with it

[@cosmicdust2668]

Fair, but he's just less bothered by those things and those are his genuine opinions from his experiences. It's a good thing to have people be so tilt proof

[@geekachu1519]

@@cosmicdust2668 True, I think it's good that he's more tolerant to those things and I don't have a problem with that. It just felt like he was focusing on the best case scenarios a bit too much in a tierlist about toxicity, y'know?

[@jordins2875]

@@geekachu1519 agreed

[@Wraggle3000]

@@cosmicdust2668 He's a survivor main though isnt he? Idk much about the guy so I dont like being too negative but to me it just seemed like he was part of the problem so he cant say anything about it.

[@Weskin_Time775]

I love how Otz and Cope can talk about this really tilting stuff so analytically, it’s kind of funny :)

[@Weskin_Time775]

@@haiz768 Did I ask you if I cared? No? Frequent attention seeking is a common sign of lacking a father figure.

[@LordFerbombi]

@@Weskin_Time775 LMAO

[@QOArkaria]

Especially with the gripper pfp 💀bros weird

[@connorwilliams2919]

@@Weskin_Time775 this is SO fucking funny (ur comeback)

[@arshadzaidi4667]

@@Weskin_Time775 No reason to respond to a troll lol. You're giving them the attention they want.

[@morgitoe]

With the bully squads, one time I actually cried because I was getting shit on so hard that I felt like the most useless thing in the world

[@thedirectorscut4848]

Lol

[@hbombdaboss97]

LMAOOO

[@notleonskennedy]

yea, it can be tough. but remember that it's never personal and if someone is really being mean, they're just having a bad day and are letting it out in a game. there's always another, nicer lobby just around the corner

[@xxprototypexx5056]

@@notleonskennedy "it's never personal" laughs in DM's

[@SLNTKNGHT-xj7nl]

i usually get bored with the bully squads. personally its annoying for like a minute until I realize what's happening. honestly the best thing you can do is just walk away.

[@meki1420]

I feel like we should redo this video with polls on twitch chat. it would be cool to see variety from the community's opinion.

[@Ryethekit]

I feel like bleeding out should've been put on the same level as egc- It sorta does the same thing. If you hide at egc as a survivor, you're holding the killer there till you die. If you bleed the survivor out as a killer, you're holding the survivor there till they die 🤔

[@kasjomis]

I initally thought that too, but I think they kept thinking of the pre-egc example - the survivor can hold the game hostage for much longer - the killer can bleed you out only until you die. we now do have the egc so I think comparing those examples is not really fair. since you can't avoid the egc without hacking I think both are rude, but not really bannable

[@Ryethekit]

@@kasjomis Yeah, I think that's fair. Getting bled out honestly doesn't bother me that much when I'm playing solo queue, it really only bothers me when I'm playing with friends and they have to wait on me, haha. Though I had the funniest game the other day! No joke, the killer bled me out at the end because I used pallets in chase 😂🤣

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

bleeding out is rare imo. I've only experienced it a couple of times as a survivor and that was because the person was slugging. I've only done it twice as a killer and that was only because it was a 4 man swf who were being toxic the entire game. The thing about hiding forever, is just that. There is no timer. I've seen plenty of duos that hide forever before the egc even happens. On big maps that have plenty of lockers, finding someone can take ages.

[@Ryethekit]

@@WutTheDeuceGaming Either you're lucky or I'm really unlucky! I run into bleeding out all the time, honestly. I had one day where killers would either bleed me/the entire team out, just all day long. I don't even do anything considered toxic either. I don't teabag, point, anything. Worst I do is maybe stare at the killer across the pallet/window? Lmao

[@Flextray]

I've had like 5 games this week where i was last survivor and all other teammates dead, bled out. At first, I thought they were giving me hatch but then they bleed me out and hook me last second. It usually happens when i loop the killer a bunch.

[@AlsoMeowskivich]

I'll also add onto the thing about configs: for myself, I have a terrible time seeing *anything* in dark games. DBD included. In maps like RPD where there are hallways that are pitch black, I'd be caught on numerous things that I literally can not see. This happens both as survivor and killer and it just gets frustrating, so when brightness settings are available in games, I tend to crank that to max. I already have poor enough vision as is, I don't really need the game making me completely blind, and it's always a relief when that option is added to a game.

[@ShaadeGaming]

Gardens corners is beyond impossible to see anything if u have the right costmetic xD

[@itookaonabookanyway7385]

@@ShaadeGaming just play blendette and die to end game collapse for the realism of being a map object

[@sunny2523]

omg same! like I get for atmosphere reasons some maps are really dark but the amount of times ive fumbled a chase cuz I couldn't see scratch marks or got caught on something is ridiculous

[@ThePhantomSquee]

One of my last matches was against a 4-man who sent me to old Haddonfield as Trapper. After two gens popped with only one hit, the survivors I hadn't been chasing all stood on a balcony nodding at me. It wasn't particularly toxic, I suppose, and disconnecting certainly wasn't sporting of me, but I took that as a sign of how the match was likely to go, and I think it was the best decision for my mental health.

[@BunnyAce]

Remove map offerings, don't know why it's not already done (and balance the maps)

[@ABSEUDUS]

I feel that "evil incarnate" part so hard, I spent 4 hours one evening to get that and so many survivors admitted in chat afterwards, they knew I aim for that and denied it on purpose... ...almost went insane that evening... (still don't have it because it didn't trigger somehow, even though I killed 4 people on tombstone)

[@EG1717]

I finally got it last night after like 3000 bloodwebs to get tombstone add on and fighting for my life to get it - and then yup, it didn’t trigger. Almost threw my monitor and myself out the window and I really don’t get tilted that often

[@ABSEUDUS]

@@EG1717 Yeah, that was freaking painful >.> know exactly how that feels

[@karesz23]

you can use enduring, its much harder for them to deny. just be a bit patient

[@ABSEUDUS]

@@karesz23 how does Enduring (getting 50% less stun time on pallet stuns) help on survivors hiding in lockers to not be hit by t3 myers kill? 🤔 EDIT: or on the achievement not triggering because the trigger between game and steam is broken?

[@karesz23]

@@ABSEUDUS i mean if they hide in a locker you can carry them away, and catch up to them after they wiggle out before they get in the next locker

[@walkerking7060]

Can we make this a real podcast? Otz having a dialogue with other creators about a dbd related theme is something I didn't know I needed so badly.

[@Toredos_4242]

Bully squad is 100% in Offensive category, at least because these players intend to offense the killer, even if they fail. Plus such squads use most of the other toxic things mentioned in this tierlist and multiply their effect by 4

[@MythicTF2]

I mean, what people label as a "Bully" Squad is what Otz & Cope talked about. There are actual bully squads whos objectives are just to upset the killer but honestly, people will and do label 4-man SWFs who are just trying to do goofy stuff as bully squads a lot, which is what Otz & Cope were discussing. At least thats my take on it.

[@domphilbrick]

@@MythicTF2 Exactly. Groups of people trying to screw around with weird builds are often called bully squads and lumped in with the more toxic people, but they aren’t doing anything wrong. I think they’re fun to play against too, since it forces me to adapt to strategies I’m not used to.

[@Toredos_4242]

@@MythicTF2 annoying builds is not the only thing that makes a squad «bully». Bу itself build falls into «Anti-fun perks», which is not that bad

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

My guy the majority of bullysquads are swfs who are playing for fun not wins. Just because people have different playstyles doesn't mean they are legitimate bullies. It's not offensive at all Otz and Cope already went over how some are genuinely toxic but most of it is just 16 year olds getting flashlight saves and spins, who'll die anyway. There is no intended offence to the Killer, that's just how Killers end up perceiving it because they're very aggressive Survivors Killers aren't use to. I've literally made friends with people who 'bullied' me before. They're just good players.

[@Toredos_4242]

​@@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura I have to agree, that IF we define «bullysquads» the same way as Otz and Cope, it's not that evil. It's just me never defining bullysquad this way. I met SWF who stunlocked me but never teabagged or mocked the other way, and we had a really nice chat after the game... For me, bullysquad is just SFW bullies, and their bullying may combine any sins from this video

[@Pedro-fj5yq]

15:11, reminds me of when I started playing DBD. And I wanted to try out Nemesis, just to see how he works overall. When the four players appeared, I remember seeing mostly Prestiege 50 or higher on three of them, but one had already a 100 on a Feng Min. I was really considering dodging that lobby due to that, but just went for it. And of course it turned out to be a bully squad, not that I cared much because I used that as a tentacle aim practice, and it really worked out, lol.

[@muysli.y1855]

Im same like cope it doesn't bother me, yea its annoying sometimes but i use it as a Dark Souls boss fight, practice my Gameplay and they mostly die because they are not doing gens

[@Toredos_4242]

The worst part of streamsniping is not demanding attention, but getting unfair advantage in the form of your whereabouts and other information

[@acetrainersylph7953]

That aspect doesnt really matter in DBD, since survivors have so many aura reading perks and after awhile of playing gain a lot of map/killer knowledge so it really isnt hard for the average survivor to often know the killers location every few seconds and know where certain things may be placed. If you played trapper and survivors constantly avoided your traps because they know you'd place them at strong looping/pallet locations, you wouldnt call them a stream sniper. And information is very easy for survivirs and killers to obtain with the use of perks

[@Toredos_4242]

@@acetrainersylph7953 according to your logic wallhacking would be fine as well

[@acetrainersylph7953]

@@Toredos_4242 lol are you dumb? Theres a difference between wallhacking (cheating) and streamsniping. One is blatantly chesting/hacking and the other is just watching a stream which isnt bannable. God this community is full of dumb idiots such as yourself who always go to the most drastic example to try and win an arguement, ignoring all sense of logic. Wallhacking is hacking and cheating and against ToS, whereas streamsniping isnt. Maybe go back to school and learn the difference? Also perhaps try touching grass and not taking a videogame way too seriously

[@Toredos_4242]

@@acetrainersylph7953 I never said streamsniping is banable, but it is definitely not fair. Both cheat and stream are a third-party tool which can give player information he was not supposed to get in-game either so easily or at all God this community is full of agressive people triggered for no reason. Maybe go back to parents and learn some manners. Try not taking chatting with someone you don't even know so seriously

[@acetrainersylph7953]

@@Toredos_4242 it's fair, someone makes the conscious choice to stream an online game knowing full well that stream sniping exists, and that anyone could possibly get in a game with them. It's not really cheating, its just a risk that streamers take. Any information gotten from stream sniping could easily be obtained from any aura reading perk (such as object of obsession) or just playing swf. But a fragile killer main like yourself would cry and say that SWF is cheating which it isnt. Like i said any information obtained from stream sniping could be gotten with SWF, Aura Perks, or just general map and killer knowledge. So if you say that streamsniping is cheating, then you're basically arguing that aura reading perks and playing with friends is cheating as well. No, streamsniping isnt the same as using a third party tool, i dont think you're dumb self even knows what "third party tool" even means, its a downloaded program that allows the user to give themself an advantage such as god mode, super speed, etc... Stream sniping does not allow the user to cheat, it just gives them information, something they can get via ingame means and map/killer knowledge. You dont have to download anything to stream snipe, let alone get any of the information that streamsniping provides. The only fragile one here is you, since you're clearly upset over the fact that someone disagrees with you and has called you out for your lack of knowledge at understanding what cheating/hacking is. I never said anything about streamsniping being bannable, just that its not cheating or hacking. You're the one comparing streamsniping to boatant cheats and hacks, which just doesnt work out. Boy arent you clever, just reusuing what i said and trying to make it into a diss. Gold star for effort, but why not try using that small brain of yours and coming up with something actually creative and unique instead of just reusing something. But then again based off your username, ya cant really expect a russian to be smart

[@HeavenBroughtMeBack]

About the thing at 44:56. I once faced a Bubba, we got into a chase, as he was closing in on me he started his chainsaw sweep. I jumped into the closest locker I could find, he hits the locker and goes into tantrum. I managed to time getting out of the locker perfectly and got him stunned since I was running head on as my exhaustion perk. He ended up giving me hatch at the end of the game because of that play, telling me in endgame chat that he was impressed and surprised as he was not expecting the head on at all. I really appreciated him not being salty about it. He just found it funny that he got "outplayed" by a non-meta perk. Would have happily given him the kill at the end as he was playing really good. It surprises me that a lot of killers get mad and makes it their mission to get you out the game asap when you pull off one nice play with non-meta perks. I just think it's nice when people use unexpected perks, playing what they find fun every once in a while instead of always following the meta.

[@sacha9957]

Killer main here. I tend to give hatch to a surv who got me good, or had a great run. The exception is if a surv makes a good play, then proceeds to be a clicky, t bagging crouching assfor the remainder of the game. Then I make it a mission to deny hatch to that surv

[@xYamakaze]

"Toxicity tierlist with cope" I figured that would be a given! (Thanks for the vid, you guys rock.)

[@HomicidalTh0r]

Some insights on DCs. Often times, these types of people just don't want to deal with whatever crap is happening in game. Either yet another Spirit / Nurse / Blight is picked, a team mate goes down quickly to Lethal Pursuer and end themselves on hook, so other players disconnect, or people playing insanely sweaty vs a weak killer who was just looking to have fun, etc. Any number of things can happen in game that make the result of the match already decided within the first 30 seconds that's just not worth dealing with. That being said, you can go out of your way to try to get hooked and exit legit or afk, but you'll often get salty killers that just slug you knowing what you're trying to do, or survivors that just refuse end the game just to spite you. So, in this regard, dc'ing is basically a way to skip all of that mess in hopes that it was a once off. The dc timer is basically a measure of "should I play a different game" which kind of sucks if you literally just logged in and this is the trash you're met with. That being said, after all this cheater crap kicked off and a lot of unfun play styles / killers were being spammed with new updates, I already know I'm not going to have fun, so why bother. I've decided to play a different game for a very long time now, because my style of playing the game called, "just play the game normally" is VERY uncommon. Maybe DBD being a ghost town will be better for the game. Idk.

[@joho4430]

My favorite color of otz video is the “talk at a tier list” video, genuinely. Guy is so fun to listen to

[@squidbad]

your favorite color of otz video? what?

[@joe8469]

@@squidbad this one is tierlist colored. what do you mean?

[@galactichasyoutube775]

It’s my favourite flavour of video too

[@Wraggle3000]

I personally prefer the gameplay flavor but thats probably because I dont play anymore and have stopped "needing" to know whats meta

[@AppleJackSix]

2:13 “I don’t know why getting murdered bothers people, people have been murdering each other since the beginning of time. And in my friend group we flip each other off for fun, so when I do it to strangers they should magically know I’m giving them the finger as a sign of friendship even though it is universally accepted to be an insult.” Why is tbagging so hard for people to let go of? It’s toxic! We can pretend it isn’t, we can wish it wasn’t, but it just is!

[@emergybro4719]

the video we didn't know we needed

[@Johnny-boyCruelty]

Man, the fact that I could get joy from this game is a miracle. A youtuber I used to watch, made dbd videos, so I learned about the game back in 2018. In 2021, I decided to get the game on my console. I had to pay for an xbox game pass subscription to play, because, along with dbd it also had multiple other games I wanted, so I hadn't bought the actual game. Due to my parents finacial situation (I was 14, now 16), I didn't want to force them to buy me a killer, so I mained Trapper mainly and played a bit of Doctor. I used to play on the living room, with that HUGE ASS TV. Due to the reflection of the sunlight or light from the lightbulbs blocking most of my screen, I had to play in complete darkness. I had my Xbox with 2 controllers since 2016. Due to Dead by Daylight, I broke both and suffered from INSANE controller drift in both. So I ahd to play in total darkness, with insane drift from the controllers I broke due to the same game and I would get bullied, teabagged, blinded and the rest constantly. The survivor often opt-ed their FOV and mouse settings so when they were about to be hit, they could just 360 their mouse and escape. I decided to try again in 2023 with the blight as a dlc killer. After multiple months and having bought multiple more killers, I have gotten a REALLY good killer and I am having lots of fun, but how I used to have fun back then and become a fan, is a miracle.

[@mnistlaz9820]

Whenever I'm a bit salty or just make a stupid mistake, idk how to explain it but just watching Otz talk about his mistakes, what he could've done better, it makes me rationalize and I'm just like "oh, it wasn't that bad, kinda funny, looking back on it". That's just how great of an influence Otz is, and why I'm lowkey simping for him, man, How IS A HUMAN BEING SO GREAT, OTZ I LOVE YOU

[@Diamond_Squid]

25:00 understatement honestly, for those who don't know the map you can watch them running straight into walls without realising lmao

[@ToughCanadian]

Love the longform videos and Cope is always great. Very calm cool and collected lad

[@Shadowborg]

I dont understand how people arent more bothered by teabagging. They say "it's just pixels on a screen", but there is a human being behind those pixels thats literally being a dick and teasing the killer. Bagging to ask a survivor to heal you or to say thanks is one thing, but bagging at every pallet stun, bagging during chase, bagging at the exit gates, to rub it in the face of the already ftustrated killer is being on ass. It's at least on the same level as trash talk in end game chat.

[@nikkis.2066]

Bully behavior excused by ppl who either bully others or never been on the receiving end of bullying in life. It's like being picked on at school ND the teacher going "it isn't harming you, it's just a joke" and it's like riiiight, so the intention to try to upset someone and make them the butt of jokes isn't seen as toxic? *eye roll*

[@Shadowborg]

@@nikkis.2066 Exactly.

[@DarkPhoenix2001]

I agree. It feels this is disregarded because it is an online interaction they use that anonymity to dehumanize the other person. Whether it is taunting/bullying behavior or other toxic interactions, not just in dbd or online games but in general. To disregard someone’s feelings on the matter is no better than doing it in person when someone antagonizes/bullies someone else. You never know what that person has went through or is going through, intentionally trying to “rub it in” especially when they did nothing wrong can still push them into a bad place emotionally even if it is “just a game”.

[@josephhiers9523]

Probably cause a lot of people grew up playing games like Halo. Personally I don't mind t bagging hell I enjoy it. Adds a competitive aspect to the match. Like now I gotta have you or in a shooter let's go head to head for a good bit of the match. I don't T bag in dbd personally but when survivors do it to me I'm chillin and it makes the kills far more satisfying too. Also tbagging is legit a disadvantage for the survivor. If you don't allow yourself to get angry you'll see it's easier to close distance on someone who t bags then someone who stuns and then holds W immediately after.

[@hbombdaboss97]

This is the most fragile comment I’ve ever read 😂😂💀

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

I honestly think "oh teabagging is one of the few limited forms of communication we have" thing is honestly cope for toxic people. *You're not meant to communicate with the killer during a game.* Otherwise don't you think they'd have just put a chat in? The most respectful way for survivors to play is to just give killers the silent treatment and play the fucking game.

[@DezKaiZer]

For someone called Cope this dude is way to chill :D Love seeing you both doing content together

[@fxvxrdrxams]

Tbh I always feel so warm and comfy, Otz is so chill and kind dude it bring tears to my face

[@OgichiGame]

T-bagging is most certainly not 'fine' Even just seeing it placed there angers me. It's ALWAYS some 4 man swf, running full meta, sometimes taking you to a terrible map, BMing you the whole game, just to be a sore winner and crap on you at the end with a whole team of people when you can't do anything about it. And you can't just ignore them because then they'll just hold the game hostage and refuse to leave until you're forced to let them be a jerk to you. And there is no benefit to it other than purely being a spiteful jerk to someone. To me it's the salt on the wound of a bully squad going out of their way to make someone else have a miserable time because 'fun' for them isn't playing the game, it's hurting people.

[@comen9015]

47:30 - so if we shouldn’t be insulted and judged for the way we want to play the game then what’s the point of this video?

[@arkirron7172]

Fr, I don’t really get the perspective, or I’m not really sure they do either or had a solid perspective or premise for the video analysis. One minute when talking about hard tunnelling they are talking about how most people think about it, or how it is for other players generally, and the next it was cope saying “I think tbagging is fine so it’s fine”. Like if you just take the perspective of and rating it by “just dont be sensitive and don’t get triggered by things” then literally everything is fine so that point is stupid. Intention is what makes things toxic or not imo and they completely missed the point of that.

[@jbugTTV]

Enjoyed listening to this. Great vid boys!

[@soursylveon4784]

This just in from Otz: “Bullying people is okay as long as you and your friends have fun doing it.”

[@wolfshadowshy]

look, that pack of teenagers making fun of fat and ugly people in the street is a good thing cause they are having fun, it's fine

[@rx4095]

That was mostly cope saying it

[@dictatorshiki]

@@wolfshadowshy oh my god don't be so dramatic this is people playing a video game not actually harassing people in real life

[@wolfshadowshy]

@@dictatorshiki look, this is the kind of thing that parents should be explaining to their kids and shouldn’t be the job of random strangers on the internet, but when you’re playing video games online, those are all real people you’re interacting with

[@dictatorshiki]

@@wolfshadowshy ya and playing the game is not the same as verbally attacking and harassing someone. swfs that use all the best items n play in an annoying way aren't nice but thats not actual bullying, even if theyre called "bully squads." dont be dense

[@jinxysaberk]

I think when it comes down to it is you have to just allow people to get mad at certain things but those people also need to learn to let go of a bad game. It's ok to be mad at any of these things as long as you don't go into your next game and then be toxic

[@notFleqx]

I would have liked to see Killer afk, and Suicide on hook to be on this list. Interested in where you'd place those.

[@sanablue]

Right! Especially suicide on hook is so annoying for the rest of the team, especially if it happens right on the first hook. It's no better than disconnecting right at the start, because it just leaves the others in a 3v1 they didn't ask for and doesn't give them any chancee to actually do anything about it. It's even worse if they are already actively trying to save someone, risking hits and downs and wasting precious gen time only to then see them kill themselves on hook. I think afk killers are just dumb, but not toxic. It's just like... why? We just do our gens, run around the killer, find out they don't move and leave. Not sure why people afk in the game at all, it's so pointless. (Although I have to say, for survivors I'd rather they afk than disconnect. Because at least, the killer can get his hook points still and the other survivors gain a few seconds from them getting hooked and potentially unhooked and stuff. If you don't want to actually play, at least stay and be a distraction) I'm aware that nobody asked, but since those weren't in the video I felt like mentioning this.

[@dargus1718]

Yeah or talking about survivor DC to enable hatch if I didn't miss it they skipped that part.

[@SeducedByASiren]

Would be interesting to see if the toxicity levels up when you combine more of these elements. For example: Bully Squads that also exploits. So much love for this guys

[@pixpk]

I think the fact that the tier list for toxic behaviours can even be created for this specific game speaks for itself. This game's community isn't nice and toxic behaviours aren't punished sufficiently. Lucky we are carried by such great creators as Otz and Cope. Great video!

[@zZastik]

Dbd community is atrocious lmao

[@Sahbla]

@@zZastik I speculate it mostly has to do with the 4v1 imbalanced formula at play, what else could cause a game to be much more toxic and spiteful than other genres?

[@Aci_yt]

I'd love to fill this out myself, do you have a link to the tierlist by any chance? :)

[@ite547]

On "bully squads" When I first started this game, I played killer as a friend of mine introduced me to that as a good start for the game. I found it really fun at first, good surprisingly balanced matches for the first couple of hours of playing, i was hooked in. I felt great about getting a couple or even just one kill, as I knew I was new, and it felt like i was doing good. Then came my first bully squad. I was playing huntress, they sent me to autohaven wreckers, I didnt know if that mattered or not. They flashlighted me 100 times, got themselves up off the floor and I just couldnt understand what was going on. If I stopped attacking they would just stand and flick the flashlights, not doing gens. The game took 40 mins, when I eventually managed to hook one of them 3 times, the rest of them decided it was time to end and instantly finished all the remaining gens (I later found out that this was just them 99ing all the gens, at the time it seemed unstoppable but of course i had been run around for ages). As a new player, if this had been one of my first games, I certainly would have left the game immediately. If I didn't play it with my friend I wouldnt have kept on. These squads make the game seem very toxic, and from a new player perspective you have no idea how many people are like that, if the game is just always like that. TL:DR, bully squds, have your fun, but really just dont overdo it. You're scaring off your own victims.

[@ShaadeGaming]

like every game is like this for me. Its so rare to have a normal game without feng mins looping for 5min each and teabag inbetween every pallet drop. Its so unfun. Idk how people like Otz can play killer this often id get too salty eventually just uninstall lol. I feel like the balance between actually sweatting vs "just having fun" radically drops as soon as u played a few games of dbd. Right off, ur into a high mmr lobby when u have less than 50 hours which is so unfair. Atleast seperate game modes so u can have a more "fun" mode vs the "comp" mode and the "bully around" type of mode. The devs could really do something. I know people dont change but the game can and make it so much healthier

[@herrmuster5272]

@@ShaadeGaming i mean i play a lot of low mmr since i like billy but still suck with him xD. People who tend to bully are very few. I went against 2 teams which did the last second swap. At all. In 300 h killer xD. I play more survivor. Sure there are people which can run you forever if you are a new player. But most of the time the other 3 are not. Chase them. Part of winning is to get which feng can run you for 5mins. And who can not. And i find nothing funnier than to not chase the "clicker". Let him do gens. That is the one gameaspect i am sure he wont have fun with. And if i lose there with 3 hooks total i can live with that xD. Or i start meming. Although i will admit that sometimes its hard to get into that mindset.

[@ngforsgren]

Not gonna lie if I stumble upon an accidental exploit, I don't have any shame in using especially if the killer wants to be a d-bag. For example going against a wesker who was tunneling with zero gens done, I get off hook comes after me again on haddonfield. I get downed in a doorway of one of the houses, he can't pick me up, basically trying to get me to move. I just sat there and recovered. He finally left me, had a teammate come and pick me up. He wasn't happy, still got two of us in the end.

[@lma0henry]

Imagine somebody flaming you for denying an achievement when realisticly unless you're Otz, Cope or somebody with similar gametime, you wouldn't even know you're "denying" anything lol.

[@lazerax9]

In the case of the myers achievement, even if you don't know that you're denying the achievement, you're still just being annoying. Like getting grabbed out of a a locker instead of killed as last survivor isn't going to give you a chance of escaping lol, you're just denying the satisfaction of a perfect finish for the killer because you're pressed that you lost.

[@josephhiers9523]

@LazerAx9 I'm ngl. Tombstone pretty much denies everyone of fun but the killer. There's really not a chase. Just staring and doing gens then people start dying around 1 gen left. It's the most boring kinda game unless you're the killer. I can't say I blame people for denying the killer satisfaction when they've sat through a boring and unsatisfying experience with little to no BP reward.

[@EntombedToast70]

The bleed out thing, I've bled out 1 person because they had a boil over no matter build and kept running to an area of the map where I couldn't hook them in time, so I just guarded them till they bled out, if I could've hooked them I would've, but I genuinely couldn't

[@DISTORTEDNOISE]

Denying achievements - "That's just awful, when you have nothing to gain but just do something to irritate the other side" Tbagging - "fine" Getting mixed signals here

[@lil_230]

You know there is a difference between denying achievements and tbagging right?

[@mayjhor]

I think tea bagging is so context specific. Scott Jund has a really agreeable view on them, and that is that it's one of the few ways survivors can express themselves. Now, after a match where they were abusing exploits, or full meta, or intentionally harming the other side, I agree that the teabag is on par with something like slapping on the hook. Taunting when the other side has no response is ill-mannered, for sure. But in most of the cases I've seen, I feel it's more of a “friendly” communication.

[@hbombdaboss97]

I will never understand how people are fragile enough to get mad when a survivor crouches repeatedly

[@Yawyna124]

@@hbombdaboss97 I mean, if you take an overly reductive point of view to pretty much anything, it becomes really easy to not understand things.

[@cannedsquasher5923]

@@lil_230 I mean they literally struggled to put "Bully squads" into "Not Nice" when people literally do it simply to ruin the fun of the other side. I fail to see how that is any different than say denying achievements. At the end of the day the purpose of both is to ruin the experience for someone other than yourself & not necessarily to win.

[@Hilltycoon]

1:45 Why would you communicate to the killer with tbags? What message are you trying to send that way? The thing is, most people tbag with the sole purpose to annoy the other player. Spamming tbags after every single stun is not just 'communicating'. Ofcourse it's harmless and most people don't get bothered by it, but if the only reason is to annoy the other person then don't get surprised when thet get annoyed??????

[@moss2148]

I think a lot of these change positions based on how good the player is. For example, full meta on a new/sort of new survivor/killer can allow them to learn and maybe stand a chance, and then eventually allow them to switch to something more fun. Meanwhile, full meta on a 10000 hour player is over the top as they have the skill to easily win without these perks, and still take advantage of them just to make them win even more.

[@cyberpunk-2O77]

Bully squads being in "not nice" and stream sniping being in "offensive" is such a subjective moment.

[@Giessepe]

The most important tier list to come out in years. Thank you otz and cope.

[@ad-ne6nf]

i cannot believe not a single flashlight clicky was mentioned but on a serious note, great video as always, and yes i know clicking is now kinda patched out

[@solarpraetor]

Fantastic video, would love to see some other's perspectives. Zubat, Scott, Tofu, JRM, Dowsey, etc.

[@Hilltycoon]

16:25 Ugh Cope, another bad take in my opinion. The name says it "BULLY" squads. They go out of their way to make someone else feel miserable, that's their sole intent. How is that 'fine'? Lets say I'm in a group of 4 friends, for the sake of conversation, and we keep making jokes about you and pulling pranks on you. We are having fun, so it's fine right?

[@impishlyit9780]

Cope! I send people his name all the time!

[@notOtzdarva]

Wait

[@yoman6142]

do you also pair it with a verb "seethe" by any chance?

[@sebastianlarsen8828]

I disagree on the explaoit thing, i think it's not nice, but im more a "don't hate the player, hate the game" type of person Loved the topic of this tierlist vid

[@PlushLordOfTheSeas]

"teabagging is fine" cope opinion = disregarded for all eternity. teabagging is absolutely BM and bad sportsmanship, it doesn't matter that it's "been around forever" it's always been a taunt for bad sports to use. Other things that have been around forever: threats, violence, etc. Those don't become magically okay because they're grandfathered in or whatever.

[@PlushLordOfTheSeas]

As far as dodging lobbies, I will always dodge a lobby with a TTV in it, always. I see TTV I hit cancel and try again. Doesn't matter if I'm playing killer or survivor. I ain't out here to play with someone who is going to be trying to do little tricks for the camera and who D/Cs when they go down first. Way too many times they've ruined games because they think they're special.

[@PlushLordOfTheSeas]

messing with filters/config is illegal as hell especially considering console players don't have the same options. There's a reason some places are DARK, it's so you can hide in them. If you crank your brightness super high so you can see someone crouching in the darkness wearing a dark outfit you're basically cheating. Cope is essentially admitting to using outside programs to cheat by cranking the brightness with his nvidia settings.

[@goku_dunker_420]

I genuinely think that prolonging the game should be bannable, not permanently but for some time. I had a game where there were 2 survivors left, and they hated how I played (Hex build) so they would just both hide for a super long time. The main thing that separates it from just playing stealthily in my head is how many/how much of a gen they do. These people would touch a gen, walk away, and then when I went back to search for them touched it again. It was miserable. I genuinely think there should be something to counteract their way of counteracting afk crows. Maybe something like if the survivors don't complete a gen or hex totem in (Insert time here)/don't get into a chase in (Insert time here) their auras are revealed for a moment to the killer, or they get crows, or SOMETHING. Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[@a50ftfall6]

Franklin's demise actually kind of a needed perk at this point. He counters med kits which basically every single survival on Earth brings I know it's annoying dropping your items but I can't just let you feel 10,000 times with that purple medkit with the gel dressing and gauze roll add-ons. And I know what about Boone circle of healing but I can count our Boone circle healing I can snuff it out and if I have the boon breaker perk I can completely remove it. But with items there's no way to remove them from play. Also I love making them drop items especially when they are bringing those stupid tool boxes they get gens done in like 20 seconds

[@dizzylilthing]

tbh I don't make good use of my tools or heals for the most part. but if a killer uses Franklin's I am going to rummage through every chest and slow the match to a crawl

[@dizzylilthing]

@Makoryuko queue I've found that tunnelling handles medkits better

[@MythicTF2]

Franklin's is annoying for the survivors but that's about it. Me personally, I generally will only bring in a brown medkit or maybe a yellow (but that's because I'm a hoarder and like to save rare stuff for some reason). So to me franklin's is just "sorry, you don't get a survivor power" which fair. It's just annoying. I think Franklin's is fine and I'd argue these "anti-fun" perks ARE good for the game, albeit annoying to deal with. Since the worst part is when a killer will slap you JUST to remove the medkit from your hand then leave you to go slap out another item, therefore making the rest of the medkit useless outside of altruistic heals. (I also think item rarities should be physically visible on the item but that's a different thing) I think to make it less annoying but still keeping it powerful it'd be nice to nerf it's charge loss factor but make it also work with special attacks. -After 20 seconds, the item will start to lose all its charges over the course of the rest of it's timer +Any attack on the survivor causes them to drop their items

[@cuppedcup]

@@dizzylilthing “but… but tunnelling is bad!! And 3 medkits is fine!! Only I can have fun, not the killer!! Bad game!!”: every survivor main

[@skeletonwitch.]

me bringing built to last with a medkit 🤓

[@TheOfficialDaBoogaloo]

So many things went from “me as a player” to talking about it as “me as a streamer” which are 2 very different perspectives and I found that sort of muddied up the results.

[@bumpylandings8484]

Great video but hearing Cope say facecamping is fine made my blood boil. Reassurance is less than 3 months old, and at the end of the day it's all about intent. EVERYTHING is about intent.

[@luceus8350]

Same, I would straight up put "full facecamping" in bannable with no second thought

[@Goremaecpck]

Was the killer BMing on hook not included in this tier list?

[@jaydonarchuleta5691]

Surprised it’s not on the tier list. It’s up there with teabagging imo. Both are just rude things to do, especially if the side/person you’re doing it too has literally done nothing toxic in the match.

[@Brady22254]

I went in to a chat as a killer wesker after the match just 3 days ago and said ggs

[@minkcell7509]

I never got people who will put ttv in their name and then get mad when people in the game come to their stream. They're advertising their stream but at the same time don't expect people to show up? Makes no sense, lol.

[@Brady22254]

@@minkcell7509 right but I didn’t even notice it was a ttv until midway into the match I definitely wasn’t stream sniping someone with 5 viewers I’m not trying to make fun of him but yeah

[@acesnipro727]

I normally dont have the attention span to watch an hour long video but this kept it until I realized I was 50 minutes in, great video to both of you

[@MrHuman002]

Survivors stand around in the exits for 2 minutes every game in the hopes of tbagging the killer, so bleeding them out for 4 minutes when the opportunity comes up is cosmic balance.

[@arkirron7172]

Apparently that’s “offensive” and tbagging at exits is “fine” 🤦‍♂️. “Naughty killer extending the game unnecessarily when they’ve already won and doing things to rub it in the survivors face, that’s offensive! Oh wait, that’s exactly what the survivors are doing that we labelled as fine.”

[@jangotossmusic3661]

Hello Otz, big fan for a while, and you got me playing DBD for the first time lol. Going to use this list to make sure my dregde isn't going to infuriate my survivor friends too much

[@victorjulian3897]

I need a new version of this tier list but with a Survivor main, like JRM. That can be interesting..

[@hbombdaboss97]

Cope is a survivor main with 10k hours….

[@Gatitasecsii]

Stream sniping should be encouraged every time the username has TTV on it.

[@DragoX7]

The filter topic... When the garden of joy house is pitch black to me vs someone that can see everything super clearly is an exploit bordering on cheating.

[@TzadkielsAutarchialEunuch]

I'm gonna hard disagree with you there, I have kinda poor eyesight and with filters I can actually play the game. BHVR should find ways to improve visibility without them, though.

[@ByAzuraByAzuraByAzura]

Nah lol.

[@hbombdaboss97]

“Itsh an exshploit and borderline cheating” 🤓🤓

[@JK-xz1lt]

As someone who is stuck on Switch because I couldn't play on PS4 during the 5th anniversary when I started, I do wish I could move all of game content to my Steam Deck. Mostly because I feel like I've reached a cap in play-ability versus skill. I can be good on Switch, but I can't be better so to speak because I am stuck at such low frame rate, and I can't adjust any of the video quality settings. DBD is incredibly playable on Switch, which is pretty amazing, but there's nothing like having an artificial cap on capability due to the hardware shortcomings and Behavior not wanting to make the game's existence on this platform better. Face Camping: the killer should be teleported to the other side of the map when they hook you.

[@slasher1563]

"so teabagging is interesting to me." "I don't get why people have a probably with teabagging, it's fine." "I got teabagged the other night OFFLINE." Bro I can see the rock raising his eyebrow with every line lol

[@quince5892]

I would swap tbagging and killer/swf DC. I think tbagging for communication between teammates or after a silly moment with the killer is fine, but a 5000 hour player tbagging the killer because they know there’s nothing they can do to catch them because they play perfectly, I would even put it in offensive because at that point it’s purely to cause offence to the killer, especially for those who wait at the exit gates to tbag. Killer/swf DC is fine in my opinion as it’s a sort of victory condition for both teams, a killer who DCs gets to escape whatever torment caused them to DC, and the survivors get the satisfaction of knowing that they played well, on the other side, a swf disconnecting means the killer knows they played well, and the swf gets to escape whatever nurse/blight/whatever caused them to nope out of the game.

[@gibbybtw280]

How is tbaging gunna be put in offensive lmao

[@alejandromoya5104]

Otz I kinda have to disagree on stream sniping, if stream sniping in this case also includes stream ghosting (the act of watching the stream whilst playing against said streamer to get an advantage mid game) which they usually are interchangeable in most situations, it definitely should be bannable as it literally is using a third party software i.e. twitch to gain advantages.

[@alexknight81]

I think that fits separately

[@literallyangel6699]

To be fair, by this logic, using comms over Discord would also be bannable, which would definitely hurt the game

[@69keksu69]

Don' think they understood the de-ranking part, I personally think de-ranking should definitely be bannable because it means essentially griefing the game and/or dying on purpose.

[@vl2796]

I usually do it by just letting the killer kill me once all gens are done

[@juliomenendez9458]

It’s essentially smurfing. Nothing really wrong with it, especially compared to most of the other ones (I felt that basement trapper achievement pain from the bottom of my soul)

[@coolkids3]

My friend was trying to complete an old archive challenge to "escape through the hatch with a key". 3-man swf against a bubba on Ormund and he's stomping us. 2 people dead (including the person not in our swf) and 3 gens to go. Objective shifts to "okay we're not getting out but maybe you can get your archive" friend with archive goes to basement lockers to hide (hatch at shack offering) and the last person alive goes to beg for death. Bubba REFUSES he was so upset that one of us was clearly hiding and kept trying to convince the one out working on gens alone to rat them out. He wanted justice for this poor person doing gens SO BADLY because he had no way to know we were a swf. He finally killed the 3rd person to allow for hatch after about 8 minutes and 2 gens solo'd. We feel bad about it to this day because he was so wholesome. Got the archive tho.

[@spaghetti3010]

It's rare to find a Huntress not face camping in early game.

[@MionMikan]

i want huntress to camp on my face no cap

[@dizzylilthing]

I stopped playing killer because of rude survivors but I miss being the friendly killer. Most survivors hate nice killers but it used to be so rewarding

[@linkinparkfanthatsdumb2576]

I do when practicing for scrims but otherwise no

[@mlnesquik7791]

I'm gonna be honest, I'm too lazy to say my pov on everything, but obviously, especially as a surv main, I do not agree with everything, even tho I do agree with a lot. For example, I'm the type of survivor that only tbag to thanks the killer or my mates. But when I'm playing killer, I got a lot of toxic tbaging just because I'm kinda a newbie still. At the endgame chat, I'm always saying ggs, but if you're being toxic, depending on how I feel, I sometimes act toxic too. For me, even tho everything seems pretty fair ranked for me, I know that you or I don't have the absolute knowing, and that if we asked every players, some of them might tell things that we didn't think about. But yeah, I really liked that video, thanks for the work on it and I really hope that some of those things disappear, but I don't really care about others, because oh well, it doesn't matter, because at the end of the day, it's a game, and humanity will always have some toxicity in it.

[@OnyxANZ]

I think the killer/swf one should be split into 2 separate topics, simply because of circumstances. If a killer leaves, sure it kinda sucks for the survivors, but their queues are so quick that it does not matter, and many times it's just to avoid stress as a survivor (like a bully squad or a swf turbo fucking a gen before you can even find them on a huge map, or you just realise you're so outclassed that you can't learn anything from this game). Where as a killer has like a 5+ minute wait time frequently and the reason for a swf to leave after a game starts can be things like not liking the map, or you're not bullyable or they don't like your killer.

[@Kyra-qn3nh]

You clearly have never been a survivor on hook, with a teammate who won't do anything but stand in front of you and tbag. Killers never make me truly angry, it's my teammates that tend to drive me to the point of insanity. Survivors that BM their teammates makes me want to uninstall life.

[@harryr9729]

Everything thing with cope is 'Oh this one time...' feel like he is making it personal. The objective of a game is to have fun. Bully squads, face camping, tunnelling is offensive. The AVERAGE player won't have fun

[@barquetique]

He's so deluded by playing that game from a streamer pov that he doesn't relate with normal players anymore

[@redtheyiffer]

I genuinely agree that these practices should not be placed on a spotlight because the more you speak about something, the more it is in people's minds even if that isn't the specific intention; and some of those people may not be so well intentioned. These kinds of topics should probably just be ignored as much as possible until everyone starts forgetting about it.

[@ilias-4252]

most important thing i got from this video is that cope is stupid

[@WTFisAuserFRCKINname]

People don’t like to hear this but taking offense is a choice

[@_flowbeat3376]

"theres a part of me that doesnt believe in mmr sometimes" realest shit i ever heard get said

[@greggparrott256]

You're absolutely insane if you think the guy who disconnects against a camping huntress is worse than the camping huntress.

[@Vegetto-97]

It's yours list but In my opinion stream sniping is more to be fine than teabagging because sometime for some people it's to be normal play with popular streamer, as begginer teabagging is a lot of frustration. I after 2-3 match when I get that I must chill and leave this game for a lot of time and this is more often when I want just fun with low tier killer. Some "techs" I think is same level as bug using and I never agree it's good.