November Patch Analysis! New Characters and (Great) New Drop Rates!

[@MrsNandi40k]

FMG = MVP

[@FMG--D亞W]

thanks! =D

[@JJJJJJJJJASDF]

I really appreciate the graphs around the mercy system for nodes. One of the things this helps illustrate though is how the mercy system is really still lacking for requisitions. The graphs showed that after making thousands of pulls for resource nodes, we'd all be ahead, but for cases with fewer node hits, some people would be behind the old system. With the requisition mercy system, they've created the exact same scenario, except people are pulling far fewer requisitions than they are hitting resource nodes. So, there are people that are going to pulling requisitions for over a year and still see no benefit from the req mercy system. Absurd! No, they won't be worse off, but the mercy system isn't doing anything for a bunch of people for a long while.

[@FMG--D亞W]

Yeah, requisitions are better than before, but they are still far from ideal...

[@jakeheyes3506]

Requisitions are a lottery, best to focus on the bread and butter aspects. I usually keep quiet but this req mercy system negative noise must be such a drain on SP morale. It's a small, exciting aspect of the game. It's reminds me of people complaining they've been playing the lottery ten years but having won the million yet.

[@eeriedemonble8414]

Finally, xenos healer! Lots of new content and improvements, december gonna be good.

[@Alucard-dg1fo]

It's beginning to look a lot like waaagghhh-mas!

[@aloser8703]

Just in time to make the notes easier to understand. Thanks for the break down on new vs old item drops

[@OracleofChaos-i6z]

Just hate the impossibility of getting epic character without paying... So first I failed to get Titus and Asmodeus, and I'll obviously won't manage to get the parasite, here we go... Why wouldn't Snowprint just add rotation of all unfarmable epic characters in guild wars store...

[@joshanderson7195]

I hear ya. When the heck are they going to change the characters in the war shop?

[@gabrielortiz3811]

I don't even buy characters shards in guild shop I buy orbs.

[@GoingRampant92]

​@@gabrielortiz3811 War shop homie, not the raid shop.

[@gabrielortiz3811]

U were right, my bad, I did buy Rotbone from the war shop, and I keep buying more of his shards, but it's only thanks to that, I got Rotbone and managed to complete cadia campaign (he heals archie).

[@gabrielortiz3811]

The other characters (Njal and the Lictor) from the war shop suck they really need to switch those.

[@peternissen7415]

Great work as always Nandi, and shout out to FMG for running the numbers. Awesome effort. Happy with one TA but still feel War needs to be shortened. A lot of my guild arent even bothering with it anymore and it is such a drag

[@FMG--D亞W]

Thanks! I agree with you, War is such a drag...

[@Vorenus40k]

Stop everything!!! A new Nandi video!!!

[@TheCommissarsOrders]

I agree with you my lord

[@Persianbond]

Great visuals regarding the drop rates. Helpful.

[@vegladex]

Biophagus, Parasite, AND Broadside??? All these characters I love coming all at once! I am SO exited!!!!

[@malloc7108]

Cheers nandi, thanks for the breakdown.

[@ChrisOsberg]

Oh my f***ing god. A healer for xenos!

[@SimeonCogswell]

Finally Incisus can stay at home

[@thebraveguy9808]

They exist??

[@goodanytimej8688]

Thanks Nandi! Ur videos always give the most info😊

[@Nandi40k]

Thank you :)

[@Jura133]

Good analysis, I like the graphs. They are very easy to understand. Love me a dinner time Nandi video!

[@shacow1284]

Thank you so much to make it easy 🎉

[@FMG--D亞W]

Regarding the drop rates, the starting probability is lower than before, but it starts increasing with every faliure, so the average is higher, the dry spells are shorter, and the variance is reduced. The graphs are shown just for a Legendary Mat on an elite node, but every type of material on every node has an improved droprate over the jar aystem

[@FMG--D亞W]

@@SeventhSolar it is lower. The first time on an elite node you get a 33% instead of the 40% you had before. It logs the fails from version to version, though, so if you finished yesterday with a fail you get higher chances today

[@FMG--D亞W]

It did not have a strictly better droprate. Have you seen the video? A very high percentage of the population got less materials than with the jar system! That should not happen with the new system after a month or so

[@MidnightHozz]

The new, new system still sucks worse than the jar system. Lowering the base chance to boost the mercy chance is robbing Peter to pay Paul and 3 card Monty levels of obfuscation.

[@FMG--D亞W]

@@MidnightHozz nah mate, it doesn't work like that. You will get more stuff on average. That is for sure

[@SeventhSolar]

@@FMG--D亞W I deleted my comments because I checked the game and found they lowered legendary base droprate, but you're still wrong on this point. If you need to wait for a long time before saying it's "guaranteed", then it's not guaranteed. By this definition (result after waiting "long enough"), the old system was also better than jar system, as you would do better if you waited long enough. Mathematically, if the newest update is strictly better than jar, so was the old update.

[@jsowau]

Ha! Thanks for the awesome vid, obviously my comment on your Angrax video helped 😅 it’s nice that someone in Snowprint realised it was a missed opportunity, and giving newer players the chance to build their own ad mech guild raid team👍

[@MultiSteven2011]

It's My excellent! My tau machine of war is here

[@Thecommentator-hc1fz]

Finally some good news! More campaigns for farming? :/

[@coman6143]

The developers screwed up with the 'Find Upgrade' order. Now it takes longer to search for the higher %. It is not intuitive or set according to the highest % to the lowest %. Developers are making it harder to play. Before the patch it looked much better... Much better!

[@OracleofChaos-i6z]

Thanks for the video!

[@alexlee9385]

I think to fix requisition they should allow you too choose at level 15 what character appears in arena or daily quest rewards. So like you could passively acquire any common or rare character rather than it being whoever they've chosen

[@theguywhooasked]

Looks like an awesome patch

[@luisdeininger3425]

And now you know IT was really the 17th😂

[@Theredglovedman]

Banners so much better but come on with the cost.

[@FMG--D亞W]

Think about them as something extra that you would not have gotten anyway and they are great. If you talk about spending blackstone for them, they are not worth it IMHO

[@DeezyP]

​@@FMG--D亞WI am relatively new to the game. Are you saying that using the black stone you get for drops isn't the best thing to do with them? If not what is the best use of them. I've just waited until I had 3k and did a 10x rq pull.

[@pazekobloodthirster2256]

​@@DeezyPusing blackstone for requisition is a waste, use blackstone for daily emergy refreshes only 50-110s

[@FMG--D亞W]

​@@DeezyP at the very start it is a luxury that you can afford if you plan to spend a lot in the game. If you want to be eficient, only use blackstone for energy. Clearing the campaigns and doing the missions will get you plenty of requisitions

[@DeezyP]

@@FMG--D亞W Awesome. Thank you. Is there a point where the energy refill doesn't make sense as far as the Blackstone payment goes? I've only ever done it twice so I know it goes from 50 to 110 for the 3rd.

[@mike23355]

Hyped! Thank for the breakdown NANDI!

[@borjinator]

Finally a xenos healer

[@spinksies2540]

Ah nuts... was hoping Necrons would get the next machine of war. Really hope they get a Reanimator that allows for more summons or additional healing.

[@Bengalian126]

Lol, in the last 240 energy I have spent on the Legendary Tau item I have pulled 1. All the Legendary items feel much slower now.

[@MidnightHozz]

No way man it’s just your imagination! Didn’t you see the maths!

[@trevorbellamy9755]

I am one of the low 37%, I have an excel sheet to back it up lol

[@lofidante1778]

Did Nandi strongly hint that Hollan Beaumgart is a healer

[@ChaosSwarm]

healer that buff what he heals and have a sumon... party time

[@Xris_x]

Sup Nandi

[@Zhadik]

Interesting. How many points will be needed for the last chest next faction TA. 200 or 250.

[@billyshaw1996]

I hate how snowprint acts like increasing the req rate is good when you would have to be a whale to benefit from it. I started last season & decided to only buy the passes (which will still be £100 a year on a mobile game), but there's no way I'm going to get far with these unreasonable req drop rates.

[@colonelturmeric558]

Last 5 reqs have all been 5 shards or uncommon orbs for me, tacticus is quickly becoming a pointless endeavour

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@colonelturmeric558 I mean, it's still fun for me. I like arena and the boss fights.

[@jakeheyes3506]

It's pretty funny though, people download a game called " Tacticus" and are annoyed they can't get the top soldiers right off the bat. Almost as if they don't have the patience to understand tactics, synergy, battlefield layout , as if they just want to beat everything with 1 click. You don't get far by having legendaries you progress through upgraded characters working well together, be them legendary or not, I'd take Vindicta over Abaddon anyday.

[@thatguy9569]

​@@jakeheyes3506You literally chose the worst legendary in the game right now. See how far you get in guild raids trying to substitute Volk for Maugan Ra.

[@shaynemartin1916]

A "faction survival" mode to replace incursion would be much more appreciated than the banner requestion. Basically, like incursion, you'd pick a faction and run througb a survival event with all of those characters unlocked for the event to iron 1 (like in faction wars). You'd use event points to buy shards for characters from that faction with only the lowest rarity available first. I might take 6 seasons but eventually you would be able to progressively unclock your favourite factions for free and, seeing that this event would be for older fully released factions, it help new players catch up on key chaeacters without it being so taegeted that every player would just end up with all the exact same meta characters. This is the furure SP.

[@shaynemartin1916]

Obviously if you had the characters already unlocked you wouldn't need to unlock them. The characters you've already got unlocked would play at the level you have them and you should be able to complete missions to upgrade event characters. With progression saved between events so that by the time you're working towards a legendary character, all characters that you don't have unlocked would be silver 2 or something.

[@arrownymouse1811]

I think it's so fun to see that people in my guild and other playing this game have such interesting jobs. It's cool to hear about guild mates' work or other hobbies, really awesome to hear about what everyone is doing out there all over the world. Do have to add that I think locking epics behind BP really sucks for those (like me) that either don't spend anything or only once in a blue moon. Hope it'll still be unlockable during some release event by missions or smth.

[@Dainslief685]

Need to go back to the jar system as the new system is very bad for anything lower than an epic item. I am struggling to get good drop on mirror nodes for uncommon items

[@daverage4729]

Biophagus! Yes! Another medic. I'm still a loooong way off getting Rotbone and I need a medic better than Incisus.

[@DPL58]

The kharn event will be like Memphisron and patermine? If that's the case i think i might not be able to recruit him. I'm too weak to actually complete most of the points.

[@couldntthinkofacoolname9608]

Most players are. LREs are mostly for late-game players, lots of at least G1s

[@zenex1741]

Biophagus sounds like a xenos healer... I'm not familiar with GSC units, am I right or wrong?

[@FMG一D亞W]

Yep, you got it

[@zenex1741]

@@FMG一D亞W Aw hell yeah

[@LayronPK]

Still sceptical about new farming system... How many players will get to those higher number of pulls to benefit from it? Old system made sure everyone got what they should and with new one is tricky.

[@irongorgon]

Always enjoy your videos and if you could talk about the Survival Event now so I can prepare that would be great 👍

[@BirdwellingtonAmalgamation]

I put a decent amount of money in this game in the early days. Way more than is justified on a mobile game. I'm done spending. I don't even buy the daily Blackstone anymore. Snowprint is exactly the same as Games Workshop. Greedy and predatory.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Why'd you even spend money on this game? I just play for free and I'm happy.

[@BirdwellingtonAmalgamation]

@@LordCrate-du8zm congrats. I'm an adult with a career and an entertainment budget. 🤷‍♂️

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@BirdwellingtonAmalgamation I get that, but it's a _mobile game._

[@BirdwellingtonAmalgamation]

@LordCrate-du8zm and that's literally a quote from my original post. What's your point here?

[@jakeheyes3506]

His point is you're calling them greedy but they don't charge a monthly subscription. You choose to pay. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to understand his point though.

[@lorenzojanna1394]

The Broadside.. IDGF about the rest. THE BROADSIDE.

[@DocDiablo13]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding, but doesn’t the new “mercy” system really just ensure that everyone is as unlucky as the unluckiest? It seems like they decreased the chance of hitting in the first few raids and then ramp up probability as you keep raiding. This really actually reduces your return significantly, since the system has no memory and virtually ensures that you’ll not get more than one out of every 3 raids, and doesn’t come close to guaranteeing you’ll get one at all until many many raids go by.

[@FMG--D亞W]

@@DocDiablo13 you get decreased chance in the first after a mat (not in all nodes, some mantained the base chance) but then it increases after every single fail, until you hit again. The resulting chain of probability gives you a higher average, and smaller variance, and you are guaranteed a material after shorter dry spells. After about a month everyone will have more mats than with the jars

[@DocDiablo13]

@ I don’t understand how that is. If the probability resets each time you get one, wouldn’t that mean you’re perpetually working at a lower probability after each win? Sure, it means you have a decreased chance of a bad-luck streak, which is great, but if it then resets to a low-probability, the set up only helps the bad luck streak, it actually ensures more bad luck streaks though…even if they’re shorter.

[@FMG--D亞W]

​@@DocDiablo13if you keep getting reset it means that you keep hitting, and thus your average is higher than the effective probability

[@FMG--D亞W]

I don't know what to tell you, if you don't trust my math, just give it a few days and record your results. Or take the probability chain, which is 1/3, 2/5, 1/2, 2/3, 1, and take some dice or a random number generator, and check for yourself

[@DocDiablo13]

@ but from what I got out of the video, the first one and maybe even two pulls are at drastically lower probability. Which would mean that, while the bad-luck streaks are shorter, the good-luck streaks are virtually impossible. Thus, reducing overall production.

[@ИгорьАмеличев]

Good work Nandi, but I didn't understand, the pariah nexus event, is it like survival on Titus and Azkor, or like gear event on angrax?

[@Nandi40k]

Survival events

[@ИгорьАмеличев]

@@Nandi40k Thnx 🤝

[@MachiavelliD4]

Confused about your comment around requisitions. Isnt this how its already set up? I downloaded tacticus due to the blood angels ads and ive yet to get any of the characters. You appear to confirm what's already in place

[@squidy3603]

These past fast character drops have been the same characters i already have :/

[@MidnightHozz]

Yes. What a comically mediocre group of characters for the inaugural banner system. Most players who’ve been playing for more than 3 months likely have 6 of the 8.

[@MidnightHozz]

The forge changes are pathetic. No other word for it. You should have had the math wiz compute how much it costs to get 1 Legendary Orb starting with the three lesser Orb types. The cost for Epic to Legendary is very bad. The costs to go from Rare or Uncommon can only be described as pissing on someone and telling them it’s rain. The Banner system has an absolutely pathetic group of inaugural characters. How did this make it to production? Players generally want unfarmable characters or really good meta characters. Complete failure here. Finally, has anyone asked SP why upgrades were moved from the jar system to 1.22 which was not tested and then 1.23 which was a poorly thought out fix for 1.22. You can nerd out on math and infinity number of drops all you want but when I’m seeing occasional 50% drop rates for commons and uncommons from mirror nodes, I call it a shitty system.

[@mediumsurmoon6283]

Can we get new campaign please? Like what’s the point of Tau faction and Tyranid faction? They literally serve no other purpose other than Arena and to dilute the loot pool.

[@somewhatdamaged1]

You missed a huge piece of news which is that Isabella is the next battle pass (parasite is the month after in December)

[@FMG--D亞W]

The patchnotes are huge, we missed a lot! It was a quick breakdown, and then some extra info that you cannot get anywhere else ;)

[@somewhatdamaged1]

@ oh yeah I know and I’m thankful that this vid exists, you guys did a great job! I just would have thought Isabella being the pass would be one of the front and center things given how many people don’t have her yet and have been crying out for an easier way to get her, given how integral she is for a lot of events

[@pokiefeg]

Such a Goated update, can't wait for the Training Rush, blessed reqs and the new characters!!!

[@xkxxxx]

IS it worth saving energy for the training rush event?

[@cynicalpsycho5574]

I know its selfish as a new player but i was really hoping for the 5th Dark Angel and praying to the emperor its a Bladeguard Veteran

[@Jij29]

Tau broadside yummy, now give me eldar fire prism or wraithlord

[@Keilink]

I thought Isabella was the BattlePass character this time. I guess the info on Discord are unreliable~ Also praying to unlock Maugan Ra, this would make the campaign so much easier :O

[@Nandi40k]

Isabella is this one! The parasite is the next one!

[@Keilink]

@@Nandi40k Oh ok! Thanks :p

[@Jeremus717]

I didn't have time to sift the Patch notes, and this was very well done. Pretty excited about what's to come but I'm still really looking for that legendary release event rework as a player that's been doing this less than half a year. I've dumped a significant amount of cash into the game to get my ball rolling, but those lres are extremely New player unfriendly.

[@conorslater8295]

I can't believe you're staying tight lipped about the Broadside, come on give us something! I'm absolutely buzzing. I hope he benefits from Markerlights too.

[@patataconcorbata8901]

The blessed reques share the mercy system with the normal ones?

[@FMG一D亞W]

They do not. Different numbers, different counts

[@bjornefellhanded9708]

@@FMG一D亞W So an entirely different system eg req 1 (current) and req 2 (new) operating side by side?

[@ModernSynthesist]

I like your feedback about Snowprint giving people coming in for a given faction a quick way to unlock them. I would have DEFINITELY done that with Tyranids since I missed all their release events and had to spend a year getting them by luck :(

[@JamesC117]

Meh, extra munitions. There is too much to upgrade to make MoW worth taking. Hopefully, the Xenos healer will be worthwhile! I'm not sure about the magus having a hero quest when you can't grind for the Tyrinid allies naturally, a lot of people won't be able to play it.

[@KaiCape]

oh hell yeah, cant wait for the new Tau battlesuit machine! YIPPE!

[@totallymyfriend7831]

This game is really sucks to new players. And im not that new player, im played alot hours, hundreds hours, and im still weak to kill almost anythinh above uncommon level difficult of all type of game mode battles. So, we cant defeat the enemys requiery to gain the goods from events, Guildas, and such. Even the regular everday normal mother F3c campain its alread get too difficult, and we get stuck after the level 60-80, because the rewards needed to upgrade the characters is not enough, not for non pay to win players.

[@jpot8606]

why not just make the drop change for gear 100% and adjust the energy cost per node depending on the rarity of the items.

[@jonathanhaynes9914]

Hi Nandi.

[@TNLSKIZZY]

“Eventually you’ll get more” I haven’t pulled a legendary unit ever stop with the mercy system give us better drop rates. I should always get a uncommon or common upgrade for 6 energy not sometimes 18-24 energy for a single uncommon or common upgrade. All this new stuff they add helps new players yea but just throws old players like me to the side. I’ve used hundreds of requisitions prolly thousands but none of them counted for this mercy system because the system was added late. Stop catering to new players and make the game fun for everyone. Just wait til the new players find out about how shitty mid game is…..

[@ScruffyNZ.]

Ew, the guild war change is terrible. We'll just use a low level player to attack a strong team a few times doing basically nothing, then a stronger one to take them out once they're significantly weaker. Weaker teams had a role already in clearing bot teams. We use a wall strategy to try stop the opponent even reaching our back lines, and this disproportionately affects teams like us, with a few strong members, and a bunch of lower level ones

[@jmmangulabnan6710]

The Biophagus is coming! And finally the Parasite of Mortrex! I really love these models of the Biophagus and Mortrex and I really want to see them come to life in game, also I hope they add the little guy of the Biophagus with him, his little assistant carrying a beaker

[@gammothdraws]

WOOOO, PARASITE OF MORTREX!!!!!!!!

[@JamesC117]

Don't like the new gear drops, no more I've only 6 energy left and try for that one rare mat to upgrade my toon...

[@sergs3348]

but it's Isabella in the battlepass, right? like they showed in the public events calendar

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Parasite's the next one

[@ScilentDeath]

Not for nothing but a code would feel nice with every vid you pop out there… just saying…

[@mightyblowstudio]

I wish they'd just revert to the jar system. It didnt feel as heartbreaking as the new mercy system does.

[@oscarvera2085]

Am I seeing things? Are we finally getting a Xeno healer?

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Yes

[@zacharylopez8362]

Omfg Parasiiiiiite!!!

[@thnderleg]

I just hope the Broadside will trigger Exitor Rho passive!

[@austinroberts7492]

I thought Isabella was the next battlepass!?! Darn it!

[@joelsmith8884]

She is, Parasite is gonna be the battlepass AFTER Isabelle

[@XxyjmaxX]

What i would love: shadowsun 6 hits, the dron buff her too, 25% each turn for the extra hit, the extra hit for all characters, and the dron one hit 3 hex range pierce XD #makeShadowsunlengendaryforreal

[@kavehmaddahi6785]

I really wish the parasite wasn't battle pass exclusive. I do hope the lil fella is added to another game mode in which we can farm like the lictor. Lets be hopeful

[@dannyboy5531]

Fleshy xeno healer? FINALLYYY also now that we have nids and blood angels why not devestation of baal campign and mirror?

[@Niveama468]

The XV-88 name is suspiciously close to Liara Tsoni from Mass Effect

[@kuhvacako]

TA not really overlapping with HRE is shame :/

[@enderknight39]

Petition to rename October to Hawktuahber.

[@Ignatiusofantioch87]

Erm. No.

[@TheCommissarsOrders]

​@@Ignatiusofantioch87I second this

[@computercrack]

best idea

[@TheCommissarsOrders]

Mate it's November

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Kill me