NTSB Prelim Report TNFlygirl Fatal Crash 7 Dec 2023

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[@FamilyofFour30]

I’ve watched her most recent videos. As a former Air Force instructor pilot, I’ve seen brand new students have more situational awareness than it seemed like she had at times. I don’t know how she got as far as she did in the system. RIP to both.

[@FamilyofFour30]

And on top of that, her CFI needs his certificate removed. Total incompetence.

[@jimdavis1939]

Pretty clear to me that her instructors bear a lot of the blame. Agree with your SA comment, I had pre-solo students with more SA than she showed at ~400 hours. This never should have happened. RIP

[@eglide73]

She got that far because her instructors were pussies and the type who don’t want to “hurt anyone’s feelings”………like so many people today.

[@victorfinberg8595]

yes, you do know: lax standards for flight instructors

[@bluemarblescience]

@@v1rotation The departure end of 26 at DKX is about 2NM from the the main part of the city of Knoxville and UT. I wouldn't call that rural Tennessee. That flight school was called Knoxville Flight Training years ago and was one of the best flight schools in the area, but I don't know much about it anymore. I agree that the little bit of her training I've watched is disturbing from the standpoint of what her CFII's were doing, and she was clearly way behind that airplane, but I wouldn't assume we're all a bunch of barefoot hillbillies down here as you tried to suggest.

[@Plastpackad]

Being "known" by ATC is almost as desireable as being known by the local police...

[@ben_1]

Or if the teacher knows your name after the first lesson...

[@ItsAllAboutGuitar]

Nonsense. Tower knows me and my plane because of the exotic paint job.

[@JBSbass]

never flown before, one of these smart arse rubber necks in the back trying to be the joker!

[@joegannon1]

Not always! When I used to fly traffic reporters around over LA if Judy or Jennifer needed a bathroom break Trafficwatch 141 got priority landing at Long Beach!

[@CGriffinGo]

​. Would that be Jennifer York?

[@mattc8831]

As a private pilot, we’re all very fortunate she wasn’t involved in a mid air or someone injured on the ground

[@CFronTV]

@@underleftbecause it could’ve been him that crashed into her mid air while she was just staring at her dash

[@krcrk]

Pilots are obligated to start every sentence with “as a pilot” regardless of context

[@elizaleroux9173]

As a private citizen, I am fortunate that she didn't end up on my house or anyone elses.

[@philiporourke7896]

​@@elizaleroux9173so true

[@Westyrulz]

I weas just about to say that.@@CFronTV

[@danmac2925]

I have owned a Beech Debonair for more than 15 years. Mine has an STEC-50 auto pilot with altitude hold. It also uses manual up and down trim lights (no electric trim). This is very similar to the function of hers. The main difference is that mine does not have the climb and descent buttons. The elevator trim on a Debonair is very sensitive. Tiny movements of the manual trim wheel make a huge difference. If she had commanded the auto pilot to climb while trimming nose down in attempt to hold altitude, and then disabled the auto pilot, the airplane would go into a rapid dive very quickly. The Debonair is not a difficult airplane to fly. It would take a gross misunderstanding of how the auto pilot works, and how airplanes work, to end up in this situation.

[@docholliday6635]

Im not a pilot, but uh, seems to me as an outsider looking in, these different manufacturers of auto pilots and avionics, is or has there been any industry standard derived between manufacturing..? To me its obvious its not like automotive where as everything works the same just locations are different..just an outsider thought..

[@FutureSystem738]

Absolutely- she was an accident looking for a place to happen. Sad.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes, indeed. And this seems to be very probable now.

[@FutureSystem738]

@@docholliday6635You’ll never have a “standard” as aviation always moves forward. It’s up to the pilot to know his (or her) plane. This lady was way out of her depth.

[@docholliday6635]

@@FutureSystem738 I can go along with that..seems she was over her head as to understanding how her A.P worked or a combination of that and other things as well..sad story either way..😢

[@DavidTwibell]

This is why I do trim runaway exercises with all of my students. Most are shocked at the strength required to fight the trim. Better to learn it with a CFI than by yourself when seconds count.

[@loudidier3891]

This plane didn't have electric trim but I agree trim runaway should be required in training. It was where I trained back in the 70s.

[@renataavgeri1132]

Not exactly a trim runaway situation but more of a trim set very wrong. It kind of simulates a similar condition though

[@renataavgeri1132]

​@@loudidier3891they think that just because new systems exist these situations would be prevented by the systems. But it doesn't work like that. General aviation is very different

[@ecomandurban7183]

see my comment elsewhere. I was too well trained in runaway trim exercises that were only done with nose up trim where the forces reduce as the nose rises. One day I tried to demonstrate a trim runaway to a friend by trimming the nose down. It gave me the fright of my life, but I learned a very good lesson, never try anything in an aeroplane unless you have thought about it and researched the maneuver on the ground and if in doubt take an experience instructor with you.

[@rickm0208]

@@renataavgeri1132 Kudos to any flight instructor that "simulates" ANY out of trim situation, either "runaway" or "self induced" in their student's lesson, whether private, instrument or commercial.

[@fullthrottlemaxrpm]

The person who gave her her license should be under investigation

[@dazzling3237]

It's just a test, no different than drivers license. Too many people in this country whining about "MuH fReEdUmBs!" to make any real changes.

[@Whatsthedealsquirter]

Pretty sure it's alot diff than a drivers license,ITS A PLANE🤦

[@jonathanb1987]

​@@dazzling3237 flying isn't a right so I'm not sure where you are going with that comment.

[@isaacvasquez4743]

@@dazzling3237 Getting a pilots license is substantially more involved then a car license, it's more like a apprenticeship program

[@cleekmaker00]

@@isaacvasquez4743 Or Peer Review for your Master's Degree.

[@room1814]

There’s a whole crop of new pilots that spend more time setting up their GoPros than planning or preflight.

[@markkeohane9850]

That's for the benefit of investigators looking for clues after the inevitable accident. CVR now also = cockpit video recorder.

[@ax.f-1256]

You forgot the pilots, that set up their go pros AFTER they plan their flight and how to jump out with a parachute when "for unknown reasons" their engine stops 😂😂😂

[@Whatsthedealsquirter]

That's the most accurate comment in here

[@Whatsthedealsquirter]

I saw that video ,that guy got in deep stuff for that ,pretty much jumped out of a flying bomb not carrying where it crashed

[@Agislife1960]

A perfect example of just because you have the resources to purchase an aircraft doesn't mean you'll ever become an aviator

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

And then there are those of us in the inverse situation; could potentially become very good (or at least competent) aviators in theory, but would be hard-pressed to come across the money to even get into flight training, let alone rent or buy an aircraft...

[@dewiz9596]

She JFK Jr’d it?

[@rogernadal3999]

@@dewiz9596crashed? Yes.

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

I think we have an impostor over &every! 📮

[@muckeyduck3472]

That is what I say about a lot of people that buy boats. Just because you can't doesn't mean you should. Some idiots lack basic common sense and motor skills to operate any moving object.

[@joez.2794]

Knew a girl who bought a 1965 Fairlane 500 (in, like 2002). She had no idea nor inclination to learn how cars worked - just liked the idea of driving a classic car. She was stranded many many times over the short period she owned the car. I realize it's not an apples-to-apples comparison - you can simply learn to operate most newer cars and be perfectly fine. Planes, however, - it always makes me nervous when I get the sense a pilot isn't interested in (or capable of) truly understanding the how and why of ALL of the aircraft's systems.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

That’s why I tell people to buy newer cars. Classics require a lot more time and maintenance. Every time you see one at a car show you can be sure that it took 3 or 4 days of work to get it there.

[@nursedro2373]

At least you can pull off the road and stop to figure out things in a car-not so much in an airplane! There’s no walking home due to engine or driver problem in that beautiful sky.

[@ThickFutaMilk]

Unfortunately it's all about the looks and lifestyle for some people.

[@halfbakedproductions7887]

Old cars are terrible. Even as a child in the mid-early 1990s I remember people with brand new (or at least very young) cars spending their mornings with the bonnet up because it just wouldn't start despite still being under manufacturer warranty. Cars have come a long way in reliability. Longer than you might think.

[@elnach3240]

I’m reminded of blancolirio analyzing the crash of Dale “Snort” Snodgrass, which occurred in Idaho about a year ago. He was the high time F-14 Tomcat pilot in history, and forgot to release the control lock on his SIAI-Marchetti, on which he had comparatively little experience. It just shows the importance of knowing your equipment no matter how many hours of licensed flight you possess.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Complacency kills

[@07blackdog]

Man, I remember that video. I couldn't believe that happened to him.

[@ecomandurban7183]

there is another factor, always put you brain in gear before attempting any flight the most basic of aircraft can kill you very quickly if you have not woke up that day.

[@fltof2]

“always put your brain in gear”, now there’s some solid aviation advice.

[@LaVidaLocaHomie]

"He forgot to release the control lock on his SIAI-Marchetti" --- It just shows the importance of following a checklist.

[@jbsack]

This girl was an example as to why not everyone should be a pilot. Her lack of SA and lack of familiarity with the plane and AP was clear on her recent videos. Some people just shouldnt be flying. Sad but true.

[@theplaylister]

She was a fully grown woman but yeah otherwise I agree with you/

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

I think anyone can be trained eventually however she obviously isn't ready. That training might not be in an aeroplane - I think she needs general life skills. She needs to unlearn learned helplessness. She needs to learn when you don't know what's going on you find out what's going on. She probably needs to learn how to learn as well so she can learn the plane.

[@shakes.dontknowwhatyergettin]

@@theplaylister stfu, muh age terminology

[@Bubba-wx7lp]

How the hell did she get a license??

[@empire0]

She could have been a competent pilot, but looking cute and filming herself took precedent over improving her skills and staying fully focused

[@dappermanphoto]

11,900ft per minute is terrifying to think about.

[@ed5649]

@@Evan-fh2zgfor a vertical speed, yes. It IS “that fast”

[@made4snipinator]

​@@Evan-fh2zgThat's insanely fast! Falling like an absolute ROCK! Even with engines out there should be some effort to maintain best glide. 11900 is one of the fastest decent speeds I've seen in aircraft crashes including all types of jets.

[@jckphotograph]

That's fairly close to freefall velocity of the human body. So they hit about as fast as you'd land without the airplane. RIP.

[@samueljennings4809]

@ Evan-fh2zg horizontally it isn’t a problem. That speed going straight down is something else entirely.

[@ISmellMopWho]

@@Evan-fh2zgYou could at least TRY to make your bait believable.

[@clarino2]

No matter how difficult they might be to watch, her videos should remain visible as they will be very educational. Edit/update: I stand by this comment. Recently watched a vid of hers where she couldn’t find an airport that was visible to her (and visible in the video) if she had just looked outside the aircraft. (It was VFR, unlimited vis.) She relied on the GPS and autopilot to get her there, couldn’t use either, turned the GPS off, couldn’t turn it back on, and consequently wandered around the sky within a few miles of the intended destination. We all think we won’t act like that but nonetheless some of us will. Maybe seeing a bit of ourselves in her mistakes might increase our self awareness and stop an error from ever happening.

[@NicolaW72]

Yes.

[@mikejettusa]

Truth. I'm guessing it's just during the investigation, but we will see.

[@scottcol23]

@@mikejettusa they should leave them up for sure. Disable comments for a little while if they are bothering the family. I've never been in a situation like this, but I imagine its difficult having a loved ones final few months on display for everyone to critique. Hopefully after a few months and the attention dies down they will be made public.

[@mattj65816]

The learning opportunity will save others’ lives, there is no question. I do hope they become available again.

[@dinosshed]

Those who enabled her by turning a blind eye to the large list of repeated mistakes and still giving the green light should be held responsible. She had 400 hours of flight experience and displayed the novice type ability of 20.

[@ValerieGriner]

I watched all of her videos before they were removed and it was SHOCKING how little she knew about "the basics." This plane was WAY beyond her level of competency. It's sad that she took her father (instead of taking an instructor). He didn't appear proficient either. My condolences to her family and friends.

[@k.larson4682]

Apparently, she had turned down the offer of an experienced local pilot to fly this trip with her, because she wanted to take her dad.

[@mikemicksun6469]

@@k.larson4682 Shame he knew she was in over her head.

[@allischalmersrescueofbarab9485]

Why were they removed?

[@ValerieGriner]

Maybe her remaining family members wanted them removed because they were pretty sad. Maybe people made rude comments...who knows?@@allischalmersrescueofbarab9485

[@Redridge07]

@@allischalmersrescueofbarab9485 My guess is that the recent videos showed just how much she did not understand the autopilot and some of the flight basics.

[@TakeNoteOfThat]

Along with Doctor Killers, there will need to be a new category of planes: Influencer Eradicator

[@seaskimmer9071]

Great analysis, Juan. But I'm reminded of the adage, "Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect."

[@PRC533]

I would argue that an activity which is inherently unforgiving qualifies as Dangerous.

[@beeble2003]

Aviation _is_ inherently dangerous. If your car stops working, it just sits on the road. If your boat stops working, it mostly just sits on the sea. If your plane stops working, there's a fairly high chance that you plummet to your death.

[@alexanderSydneyOz]

@@PRC533 Completely agree!

[@LarsLarsen77]

"Reality is terribly unforgiving of lady pilots." -- Me

[@gxd4b1]

I had watched most of her videos (before they were locked down) and for someone with 400 hours, she seemed to only ever be able to do one task at a time. The minute ATC had something to say she'd be like 'What did he say?' to her instructor. Kind of makes you wonder .. how many other 'Jennys' are flying in the sky (both male and female for clarity), that are out of their depth but have got lucky to date.

[@wingandaprayer883]

There are a lot unfortunately.. I have seen many myself first hand that caused me to question whether flying is the best activity for them. Sometimes it is lack of training, but sadly with some it is aptitude that further training may never fix. I am not casting any shade on FlyGirl, I have not seen her videos and nor am I in any position to cast judgment about her capability. I am responding in a general sense.

[@harrychufan]

I wonder if she had ADHD

[@barkejh]

Why have her videos been taken down? Presumably there is a lot to be learned by reviewing them. The ones I saw of her IFR training were troubling, both her lack of ability and the truly poor level of instruction she was getting.

[@drewski5730]

If you’ve got 400hrs and you’re still with an instructor, it’s a problem. edit: also, it’s my opinion and opinions are subjective. I am allowed to have an opinion, in no way should it be considered incorrect as it is subjective. I can honestly say that anyone who is telling me that the statement I made is incorrect clearly is part of the group that needs an instructor after 400hrs. You should reevaluate the life choices that led you to receiving instruction after the 400hrs mark, your financing exceeds your skill level. Sorry not sorry.

[@mattj65816]

@@drewski5730this is not correct. I was flying with an instructor at 0 hours, I was flying with an instructor at 400 hours, I’m currently flying with an instructor at 800 hours, and I’ll be flying with an instructor at 2,000 hours or however far I go. It’s one of the things you do, hopefully forever, to avoid skill rot and to build new skills. It sounds like maybe she *needed* an instructor for basic airmanship, which you truly should not need at 400 hours, I agree with that. But a blanket statement that one should be finished with instructors at 400 hours (or any number of hours) could give people the wrong idea.

[@rocklobster2929]

I am currently training to get my instrument rating in a part 141 course. A week ago I was shooting an approach at night so the cockpit was dark and I could not see the trim wheel clearly. As I approached minimums I engaged the TOGA button and applied full power. Problem was, the TOGA button DID NOT work properly, so the plane began building up speed without rising. What happened was the autopilot attempted to maintain my altitude at full power, so the servo put my trim all the way up (nose down) and I was doing 120kts over the ground without climbing. Despite pulling back on the yoke the plane would not rise. Instinctually I went for the trim, but the wheel was so far up that even after three full flicks of the trim wheel the plane still would not rise. Eventually I figured it out and brought the trim back to neutral, but because it was dark I could not see the white lines that indicate neutral on the trim wheel. It was a frightening experience and one that I hope other pilots who read this can learn from.

[@amyhenningsgard8618]

Sounds super stressful!! So glad you figured it out in time, and survived to tell about it.😲👏🏻

[@AEM-le7uy]

400 hours is a good bit of flying time. However, here she is holding in the AP climb button instead of depressing it repeatedly for incremental increases. Not adding power to climb. Using the yoke to steer the plane while taxing. Being 900 feet too low on approach and not knowing it until ATC told her. Repeatedly asking the person next to her what the controller said. I could go on and on.

[@stubbi]

Damn, was this really recorded on her channel? If yes, thats not just tragic, thats dangerous...

[@lordfatcock]

​@@stubbiyes, I'm assuming that's why the videos are delisted or deleted. But I'm pretty sure they are just delisted as detectives would wanna look into the videos and question her instructors etc.

[@stischer47]

@@lordfatcock However, anything posted on the internet is never really gone.

[@LarsLarsen77]

It is if the billionaires want it gone. There used to be a photograph of Larry Paige (google founder) in a skin tight metallic silver onesie at burning man, it's GONE! POOF!@@stischer47

[@hyfy-tr2jy]

when a pilot has to repeatedly ask a passenger for what ATC said...particularly with a top of the line headset, is a STRONG indicator of Pilot Task Overload. She obviously struggled with the mental management of the flight deck from the get go.

[@stephenburnage7687]

I had a business once, that required me to visit multiple Western US cities each week. I briefly considered buying a light aircraft and obtaining a pilots licence, to help get around. I very quickly came to appreciate, however, that the flying had to be your focus in life ie you need to be totally familiar with the physics, with the characteristics of your aeroplane, the weather outlook etc. I decided to focus instead on the business and continue to leave the flying to the professionals.

[@santiagoecheverri5743]

Eso se llama ser prudente.

[@quietus13]

This was basically my brother's experience. I am a professional and my brother told me he was interested in getting a plane to fly around to his various locations. I did everything I could to talk him out of it. He briefly ignored me and started training but very quickly realized what I was trying to tell him and decided it was better for him to just fly everywhere first class instead. Those business write offs must be nice!

[@DrewLSsix]

Another important thing is that if you as the pilot is concerned about getting where your going because your livelihood depends on it, because its your job or you made a promise, your ability to decide when to pack up and go home will invariably be compromised. Assuming you have a basic license to fly during the day in clear sky's, you will absolutely have days where cloud cover is a thing and the right choice is to not fly, you dont have the instrument experience to fly through that. But what if theres just spotty cloud cover? What if theres a chance of clouds at some point? Do you go home or do you decide its probably going to be fine? What kind of pressure are you under to get there? Lots of people go down by simply deciding to fly when their training and experience should have kept them on the ground, its windy, the weather looks dodgy, its really hot out and the plane is down a bunch of power, a small plane pilot needs to put the decisions and procedures of flying before anything else, it already sucks to stay geounded when you were looking forward to a couple hours on a free sunday. Every layer of pressure will invariably change the arithmetic in your head and it happens to veteran pilots quite often as well.

[@FreshTillDeath56]

Dude, I'm a paramotor pilot, and I find THAT to be a handful. I can't imagine being a "real" pilot, I'm not even gonna try.

[@JRMini14]

My dad has been a CFII for over 50 years and taught me how to fly in the 90s. One thing that amazed me in the process of learning and being around some of his other students was how lacking in competence and confidence so many private pilots are.

[@ZC.Andrew]

Agreed. And the keyword there is "confidence." Clearly this pilot was set up to fail (by both her passengers and especially her instructor), and didn't believe in her abilities at all.

[@jumboJetPilot]

Even worse is when people hit a couple hundred hours and have gained some confidence. The problem is that they don’t know their limitations but because they’re more confident they will inadvertently exceed their limits more frequently than they will when they’re brand new.

[@roberthirshfield3571]

You learn by your mistakes but flying a airplane you better not make to many mistakes or

[@benjammin1001]

@@jumboJetPilot - That's definitive Dunning-Kruger Effect.

[@wolf7234]

Confidence don't fly airplanes. Proficiency and respect is what flies airplanes and makes successful safe flights. There are old pilots and bold pilots but no.old bold pilots.

[@markjennings2315]

When I was instructing I always always kept reinforcing the vital need for a pilot to revert to manual basic flying of the aircraft in unusual situations. You must always be flying the machine and never let the machine fly you! be a pilot, not a passenger. Automation/autopilots are very nice to have but whether its a Baron or a Boeing it is very easy to get into a situation where you are not sure what mode you are in and you start asking yourself "whats it doing now" I also always taught you should always have the aircraft in trim and at any stage of flight be able to take your hands off the controls without any divergence. Only once in trim do you cautiously hand over the aircraft to that collection of servos and sensors and thereafter never trust it.

[@DrJohn493]

...been in that "what's it doing now" mode on more than one ocassion. My solution, disengage the AP, hand fly the aircraft, get it sorted out, and then as you said carefully re-engage "otto."

[@ewathoughts8476]

Excellent comment. Automation may help you to relax physically, but when it starts to let you relax mentally, turn it off and get in control before using it again.

[@ecomandurban7183]

I agree with you and add no video games are a substitute for seat of the pants stick and rudder flying ability, when the shit hits the fan it is a good insurance policy to be able the be ahead of to be able to fly the plane in an emergency.

[@markhumphrey8894]

@@DrJohn493 Seems like aviation 101. You should be in full control of the airplane at anytime. Full trim and then Auto pilot. I like flying in the little planes because your brain is so active in looking at your flying space and gages. Like a previous poster said "Your not a passenger up there, your the pilot." Don't passively sit back and let the plane do its thing in Autopilot.

[@markhumphrey8894]

@@ewathoughts8476 Amen!

[@triumphlover2]

As difficult as it is to watch, you, once again, did a fabulous job of turning a very tragic event into one that others can learn from. Breaks my heart. Keep up the great work, Juan.

[@randallmacdonald4851]

I feel very bad for her and her dad but I watched the last video and this one to learn. Thank you.

[@TheRealHusk]

It wasn’t tragic at all, she didn’t belong in an airplane, and clearly she got her pilot license through nefarious means, nobody with common sense would have passed her.

[@TheRealHusk]

@user-zl2cj9ci4q cry

[@1320pass]

Non pilot here, I could hear the distress in your voice Mr. Brown. You've done a good service to explain this accident. From the occupation I have in driving a commercial semi HM tanker, there are some parallels here of people getting in way over their head with equipment, training, vetting and aptitude. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.

[@Chris-Nico]

Thank you, Juan. Your reporting is very comprehensive and easy to understand.

[@andrewhatez7955]

It appears, Ms. Blalock was a primarily a passenger during her training sessions as viewed by her various posts/videos as TNFlygirl. Her instructor seemed more in control of the plane and radio communications...while valuable time was lost for Jenny to essentially learn how to properly fly her plane. So sad she and her Dad met this fate; it certainly appears to me that the crash could've been avoided if she wasn't so far behind the learning curve of her Debonair air frame and power plant. Condolences to the family and R.I.P.

[@SOLDOZER]

Im not convinced even high quality training would have helped her. She just did not seem to "get it". 400 hours and still struggling with radio comms??

[@williamoakland5813]

Pretty blond with lots of disposable income. The CFI who signed her off for a Checkride, and the DPE who did the Checkride should be suspended.

[@manicmarauder]

@@SOLDOZER Maybe, but I would suggest that 400 hours in a 'pilot mill' where she's a left seat passenger isn't the same as 400 hours as an actual pilot. The people doing everything for her including radio actually set her up for failure when they didn't hold her back from the license, or hold back that sign off. Plenty of blame to go around on this one. The scary thought though is how many other passed but untrained pilots are there out there?

[@SOLDOZER]

@@williamoakland5813 Her checkride was in her Cherokee which she was not too bad in. It was not till she got the Debby that things went south.

[@PRC533]

@@williamoakland5813 not just suspended but investigated.

[@bluefishbeagle1]

I once had a female student (wife of male student who I taught through PPL) after 15 hours of patient instruction was no closer to solo than hour one. Finally told her that she would never solo and that she did not have what it took to be a pilot. A day later her husband called and cussed me out and said he was going to call the FAA. She received instruction from several other instructors who gave up on her quickly, thankfully she never soloed.

[@markhumphrey8894]

After the other instructors dropped her as a student, I hope he came to his senses and called and apologized to you.

[@trumanhw]

There's a culture of total silence in military aviation re: female proficiency. Even retired military pilots are SILENT. Pretend female pilots are equal. I'm sure there are some who are proficient ... but in all my experiences in every other subject where excellence matters ... the VERY BEST women (not the top 10%, but the literal best 5-10 women) are perhaps as good as an average male. And in those cases they also have a tendency to at least spend a few years of being exceptionally arrogant. After years of realizing there's still a massive difference, they eventually are humbled; but, as they are the most masculine females, it's hard to get them to still see the reality of the differences that persist. I would bet money that male pilots can identify female pilots (practicing BFM) by their proficiency alone. I'll bet the incident rate (errors) made in simple scenarios per 100,000 hours is higher amongst female pilots, as is the cost to train them, the odds they fail, and the fact that 95% of them will be less proficient than the below average male. As in, the top 5% are worse than the average male. The top 10 females in all aviation history aren't as good as the top 20% during any given time. All while ignoring the dangers assoc. with being a combat pilot. As the percent of pilots who were KIA or became a POW during Iraq vs even infantry who were KIA or POW is almost certainly higher. We really want women in that position? That's ignoring how brutal sere school and E&E are at the higher levels. And the fact that relative incompetency increases their odds of being shot down or crashing. Yet, we're doing all the same quota promoting BS for female pilots: Ignoring errors, bad behavior, accepting lower standards, coddling, and promoting some to remove the risks they pose that we do everywhere else. The difference is that the public CANNOT see it, and NO ONE is saying a WORD about it. And it's literally THE MOST expensive bet our nation can make, as aviation equipment just is.

[@bigalsplanesimplegarage4288]

i know of a student pilot in my area that has 400 hours, and has been able to pass the written,,,i don't get it!! I earned my private pilot certificate after i had about 60 hours.

[@TacitusR]

@@trumanhw, with 39 years of experience in airline and corporate aviation performing a variety of roles from instructor to line pilot to check-airman, and even Chief Pilot, my observations on the quality and competency of female aviators aligns with your own observations.

[@paulmaxwell8851]

If you're going to claim that the best female pilots are no better than most average male pilots, I'd first like to see the research that shows this. Otherwise, this sounds more like the 'old boys' club' talk.@@trumanhw

[@bigjeff1291]

Whenever I flew a new aircraft (to me), I studied everything I could about its operation. This was ingrained in me by my first flight instructor. What an unnecessary accident.

[@grayrabbit2211]

Same here. I even have the maintenance / repair manuals for all of the aircraft I fly on my EFB, and it actually came in handy inflight when I started to notice an impending mechanic fault developing. I was able to find and understand how the systems worked and what it meant for the flight.

[@elderbob100]

The operation manual on the auto-pilot specifically required a complete check of all functions before every flight. The manual said if any function is inoperative, do not use the auto-pilot. If she had done this procedure before every flight, she would have understood how the auto-pilot functioned.

[@ValerieGriner]

Good point.@@elderbob100

[@thegood9]

Well, that is the EXPECTED behaviour of ANY pilot for any single aircraft. Your life is in your own hands of that knowledge. It's not optional.

[@sawspitfire422]

Ok so I understand the hubris of what I'm about to say and really my opinion means nothing here, but I'm a flight simulator enthusiast and when I buy a new add-on aircraft I almost always track down and read the real life flight manual for that aircraft. Why? Because it makes it so much easier than trying to figure it all out on your own! An entire team of engineers have already figured out what the easiest way of using those systems is, and they wrote it all down for you to read, nice and easy like. I couldn't imagine trying to figure out how to use a system your life depends on... while your life depends on it! That sounds insane to me, and I'm a competent IFR desk pilot (/s)

[@artrogers3985]

I’ve been watching her channel since I saw your previous video. The videos are terrifying.

[@Craiglife777]

Apparently she wasn't watching Juan's channel, she should have.

[@artrogers3985]

@@Craiglife777 she should have been watching her own videos

[@jackharle1251]

Princess was too busy looking at the camera. Who didn't see the coming?

[@theaustralianconundrum]

Or at least attained proficiency would have been a start.. If I can fly a 40 year old A310 safely going mach.80 @ FL400 at a GW of 170 tonnes with a far more complex Autopilot and FMC then she should have been able to handle that light general because I am not the world's best pilot however I've never gotten behind any aircraft even when first starting out. To be at 5 degree nose down pitch is outrageous considering we have a max of only 1.5 degree downward pitch on descent even at 3-4,000FPM when required. This woman should never had been allowed to fly that aircraft until she fully understood the systems she was using.@@artrogers3985

[@jhopkins213]

Can you imagine the confusion and panic in that cockpit as the plane made its final plunge from 5800'? If there's video on those 2 GoPros recovered from the crash site, that footage will be horrifying. I don't envy the NTSB investigators on this one.

[@bobjohnson205]

During the final plunge, I bet her father had a few choice things to say!

[@awesomerpower]

@@bobjohnson205I wish he’d said more sooner.

[@frankthetank8050]

@@bobjohnson205 I bet they were only loud screams

[@tamas9402]

Right. 11,800 fpm descent would be horrifying, for reference a commercial airliner descends at around 3500fpm at most.

[@MrLanternland]

@@bobjohnson205 Like "Oh God!"

[@johnwkindig1613]

I began flight training here and there very young. I remember my dad giving me dual when I was little, and he first taught me about the trim tab. I began to make the grievous error of flying the airplane by the trim tab only. It only took one screw up, I trimmed the wrong way a bit and the airplane began to enter a moderate dive, so I panicked and threw the trim wheel...even further in the wrong direction. I still vividly remember watching my dad grab the yoke with both hands and fight to pull the airplane out of a roughly 80 degree power on dive. He managed to do so and once he had control he rolled the trim back. I got quite the yelling after that, but the point got across. Never again will I fly with the trim, and I can easily see how an inexperienced individual could panic and make a big mistake. Nearly cost us our lives, thankfully my dad is one heck of an experienced flight instructor, probably wasn't even the first time he had something like that happen.

[@stefanmeyers2808]

I flew a model airplane once on wires and crashed a hanglider once and broke both wrists. I decided to lay off and only fly in my dreams. My gut feeling is that what you have described here is what happened to the man and his daughter during their flight.

[@dudeonbike800]

Edit: Great video, Juan. Thank you for taking the time to review the preliminary investigation report. Very sad for this woman and her father. That said... "Fake it until you make it" has major limitations. That plus arrogance and hubris can be fatal.

[@tootallsvlog103]

You think she faked it for 400 hrs?

[@tootallsvlog103]

@charleswhite758 If you are a pilot, you know you can’r fake it.

[@stischer47]

@@tootallsvlog103 Her videos showed that she was confused with basic piloting skills and instruments. She was able to "fake it" because she was a pretty woman.

[@tegrovi]

One comment on one of her (now deleted) videos pointed out that her *CFI* was seen in the video wrongly telling her to hold the up/down button on the autopilot. So it's not just the training of new pilots that needs looking into.

[@StrongDreamsWaitHere]

Sadly, it sounds like she didn’t have sufficient manual flying skills to manage pitch, power and trim. She shouldn’t have even been trying to use an autopilot, much less one she didn’t understand.

[@k.s.333]

Seems like every video I watched (now mostly removed) there was an issue with the autopilot.

[@grayrabbit2211]

the autopilot seemed to function as designed in all of the videos I saw. The pilot on the other hand...

[@livingmydreamtrading4824]

@@k.s.333sadly it seems there was nothing wrong with the AP. From watching her previous videos she just had no understanding of how it worked and also had no understanding of basic flying. In several videos she would pitch up to climb and not adjust the power. In one video she asked her father to watch the speed as they nearly stalled at which she disconnected the AP and had to push the nose over before the plane went into a stall. This is a sad accident and people comment that this airplane was to advances but she did not understand the basic concepts.

[@k.s.333]

@@livingmydreamtrading4824 I should have worded it better: in every video she was the one having an issue with the autopilot.

[@igclapp]

​@@grayrabbit2211In her video uploaded 2022-10-31 at 6 minutes in you can see her push the ALT button but the ALT light does not go on. Then in a later video (after she had the autopilot worked on), the ALT light did go on when she pressed the ALT button and the airplane held altitude. The autopilot apparently broke again later.

[@trishemerald2487]

She was not even a safe car diver. Posts showing her driving show her ignoring stop signs and ignoring other basic safety rules. I don't know how anyone who had seen her drive could think she was pilot material, frankly.

[@Hjerte_Verke]

She was a sassy, entitled girlboss who demanded respect, she didn't have time for stop signs or staying in her lane. 😀

[@dave30076]

@@Hjerte_Verke I just saw the driving videos on another video (Dr. Grande), and I was shocked. I agree, she seemed to have a major sense of entitlement, a total concern for rules, and no concern for the safety of others.

[@frankieb9444]

@@dave30076 Influencers and their entitlement over physics continues to be an ongoing theme.

[@losslessthoughts]

​@@frankieb9444 Like the girl who fell into the volcano while trying to take a picture

[@ReyLaFleur]

Watching her recent videos (check online YT archives) are SHOCKING to watch. I have no words for how this girl slipped through the system with that many hours! They need to start going after the schools who certified them!

[@snoopstp4189]

sad or not, ,completely true.

[@IP0Monsturd]

She was good looking. Thats how she slipped through the system.

[@tootallsvlog103]

Let's focus on improving the existing system rather than adding more layers of regulation.

[@PRC533]

@@tootallsvlog103 Regulation and enforcement is how you improve the system because voluntary compliance has never worked and never will.

[@dafunkmonster]

@@IP0Monsturd Who wants to be the "old, white, sexist asshole" who fails her?

[@greyjay9202]

In its simplest terms, she did not know how to fly the aircraft. She should never have gone up in it, without a pilot instructor by her side. A tragic and avoidable loss of life.

[@ItsAHedgehog]

Forty-five years old and a "social media influencer and content creator". "FlyGirl". More interested in documenting herself for likes than in learning about aviation. No idea what most of the instruments did. Apparently no idea how to operate the auto-pilot. Bought a plane far beyond her skill level. So much wrong with this picture, but so consistent with our sad society.

[@dave30076]

Add to it, videos of her driving a car show her to be unconcerned about rules (she would run stop signs), she almost hit several other drivers, and seemed unconcerned. Very bad attitude about safety.

[@bobjohnson205]

Yes, a clear case of 'more money than brains' or 'flying while blonde'! Take your pick! 😉

[@desd1932]

@@bobjohnson205 I can confirm its only female blondes :)

[@bobjohnson205]

@@desd1932 Lol! I won't ask how! lol

[@DoctorEnigma01]

Well said, social media is a scourge, it has come close to destroying everything in a few short years, god help us in the years to come

[@shadowdog500]

The Cherokee she trained in had an overhead trim crank so she didn’t have a feel on what way to turn a traditional trim wheel. The trim wheel is rotated around its axis in the direction that you want the pitch to change. When the trim wheel is panel mounted with just the aft end showing , like in her Debonair, it becomes less intuitive because you push the wheel up to trim down and push it down to trim up. In her “Variable Wind Landing, ILS Approach: Greenville Aspen failure Story | Debonair Update” video ,which is still up, the instructor tells her to trim down about 22:25 and she turned the wheel the wrong way.

[@livingmydreamtrading4824]

Saw that as well in that video and is very telling.

[@tondog54]

It's entirely possible she or her dad tried to trim the wrong way. Yikes. Panic is a hell of a thing. RIP

[@Red1Actual]

To me it seems very intuitive. Move the wheel the way you want the nose to go, just like the yoke/stick.

[@ChazToz]

In most of her past videos of her flying her Piper Cherokee, it appeared that she would use the ceiling crank trim to change the pitch of the airplane. In that she would use the trim to establish her pitch rather than establishing the pitch with the control wheel (yoke) and then use trim to reduce the force on the yoke. On this accident flight if she were doing the same thang, she could have trimmed nose down to arrest a previous unwanted climb. Those trim settings would force the autopilot to work harder. If the autopilot disconnected during her final descent the down trim setting could have put more force on the yoke and required more strength than she was capable of. As Juan suggested she may have been flying with both hands on the yoke and was unable to reset the correct trim. Sad deal over all. R.I.P.

[@seaskimmer9071]

@shadowdog500 I just rewatched that video and you're exactly right. I'm amazed (not in a good way) that at that hour level of experience, her use of trim controls is not intuitive or immediate. I'm thinking now that she may have been a pilot, but not a Pilot in Command.

[@richb313]

Thanks for the follow up on this tragic crash that could have been avoided.

[@ROBIN_SAGE]

So very sad. It’s unfortunate that both she and her father had to lose their lives because it seems nobody would dare tell this young lady “no”. I agree there seems to be serious fundamental misunderstandings of how the most basic systems function and how their function affects the aircraft. The sad irony that they were probably toying with the system they clearly did not understand , and was an hour from being dropped off for replacement, makes it that much worse. Sometimes “whatever you want dear” is far more dangerous than you could even imagine.

[@MrSlowestD16]

Was it a matter of not being told 'no'? In the previous videos with an instructor I guess she fired the old instructor b/c as people pointed out, he didn't let her do anything, he just handled everything when they were up so she never learned how to operate her auto pilot correctly, it seems.

[@flytoday]

she sacked her first instructor because she didn't understand the basics of airspeed, power and trim

[@dafunkmonster]

Seems like they were paying for the avionics and autopilot upgrade because they failed to understand how to operate the existing autopilot. If they made it to their destination, and got their new autopilot installed, they'd have probably killed themselves while failing to properly operate that system, too.

[@Rhaspun]

@@flytoday She may have thought the CFI was being too picky.

[@benbohannon]

It’s like buying a Tesla for the FSD, because I can’t pass the driving test.

[@vertical2210]

Good video. I'm a former military instructor pilot and wish to offer condolences to loved ones -- this accident was tragic but also avoidable. I admire this woman's passion for flying, but it appears she was seriously lacking in situational awareness, headwork (decision making), basic airmanship (ability to hand-fly the aircraft) and aircraft systems knowledge. She was definitely behind the aircraft, made little effort to correct the situation and was not particularly concerned about it. I blame that on her instructors, rather than her. In the Naval Air Training Command being off heading by more than 5 degrees or altitude more than 50 feet was not acceptable, and immediate correction was expected. Familiarity with every aircraft system, down to the most minute detail, was also expected. It is also clear to me that video recording contributed to this accident and I believe the FAA should ban it for inexperienced pilots (perhaps with less than 500 hours of flight time). The military did so years ago for most flights following various accidents, except for special circumstances such as training or recruiting/promotional videos. Anything that distracts a pilot from flying the aircraft detracts from flight safety. I also learned from day one to continually scan for traffic (head on a swivel) and it's very obvious that nearly all pilots producing KZbin videos are focused on the camera and hardly ever look outside the cockpit...definitely not a good thing, especially in VFR conditions.

[@SOLDOZER]

Why it it the instructors fault she owned that plane a year, was scared of the AP but never once even read the manual for it?

[@skipwood2059]

@@SOLDOZER Instructors are responsible for teaching Situational Awareness and DPE's are responsible for checking that a pilot has it. Both failed with this pilot. She should never have been given a license to allow her to kill herself and her dad.

[@breytac]

The banning of cameras in the cockpit for new pilots should be something that should be looked into. Too many "KZbin" pilots looking for social media clout rather than concentrating on flying the plane. On the other hand, an experienced pilot with cameras in the cockpit, showing how experienced pilots fly (in the case of Missionary Bush Pilot, what bush flying in PNG is like, hoo boy even watching him sometimes makes me clench my butt cheeks!) is a good way to learn. Same with student pilots with CFI's and cameras. The CFI can review the lesson and make notes on what each student needs to improve on. That is, if they're a good CFI in the first place.

[@MrShadowpanther3]

@@breytacIt is interesting to note that doing camera work in scuba diving is considered an Advanced skill as you need to have SOLID fundamentals before taking on other tasks that distract you from the core skills that keep you alive. In this, it sounds flying an aircraft without sound airmanship fundamentals you have fully internalized and allowing yourself to be distracted by camera work, your conversations, and other things can and seemingly WAS a recipe for disaster.

[@blueskiestrevor5200]

@@MrShadowpanther3 In skydiving we don't allow anyone to wear or use a gopro until at least 100 jumps.

[@user-kz3wq4rx7w]

As someone who received their PPL in the UK 30 years ago or so now, and only flew for 2 years in total. I still remember the call signs of the aircraft I flew, and I still remember what I was taught. I realise how good my teachers were. Stalls and spins were taught early and 'power is your friend' was the phrase always uttered on base. This is a sad case that can't simply be levelled exclusively at the pilot. There's a structure that put her in that aircraft that failed. Instructors, aircraft sales, etc. There were also cameras in the cockpit, the purpose of which was probably counter to flight safety. I hope lessons are learned and my heart goes out to all affected. A truly tragic case.

[@chrisschack9716]

I hate to see those people who think "I need to gain/lose altitude" and do it with the yoke alone ... worse still, try to level off from a descent by just pulling back.

[@superfamilyallosauridae6505]

it's absolutely mindboggling that people don't understand power. I'm surprised there's room between "doesn't know what a plane is at all" and "knows planes use lift and thrust to move" that people can sit in@@chrisschack9716

[@erintyres3609]

I read that her second flight instructor did not allow her to record the lessons. Having every moment recorded on video would be something like learning to drive with your parents and siblings sitting in the back seat.

[@jacobpoucher]

No one cares. It's the uk who cares. The video is about something that happened in the USA

[@Vejitasei]

I think recording is a great tool for learning. I especially enjoy viewing my old videos (martial arts) from years ago 😅 I the question here is did she allow the cameras to change how she acted, or worst yet 'ham it up' foe the cameras to produce content for social media. KZbin has been fantastic for seeing people train, fly instrument approaches, atc communications, etc. But they should just 'be there.' SoCal Flying Monkey is a great example of a KZbin channel that has very helpful content of some of his flights.

[@joehovorka5312]

Im not a pilot but Im facinated by your disection of these tragedies. Keep up the infomative work.

[@robertthrailkill1368]

Very detailed unbiased review. I owned same model Debonaire for a few years and for 17 years fly a P35 which a V-tail of the same year. I have the Century III AP. If you have AP on and out of trim you may not notice it. However when you disengage the AP you will suddenly have an out of trim plane and the yoke will go to the stops instantly if you aren’t already holding on securely. I have done that only a few times and it scares the bejebbers out of you. It is important to trim before engaging AP and have firm steady grip of yoke before AP disengage. If you have nose down at cruise speed and full power the Bonanza will accelerate very rapidly. The yoke force would be tremendous at 180knots and impossible at 200knots. You would have to pull yoke with all your strength, pull power, keep wings level and retrim all at the same time. With full power you going to die. Bonanzas are great airplanes and easy to fly but full power out of trim is deadly.

[@svttech76]

That's probably what happened here. Either the AP disconnected or she disconnected it while way out of trim and then did not have the physical strength to stop it and she didnt appear to have the ability as a pilot to figure it out fast enough to recover it.

[@SOLDOZER]

@@svttech76 She was fighting with it for a solid 30 minutes before she lawn darted. Why not just turn it off and hand fly????? This whole thing is so strange.

[@MrJohnBos]

It is painful to watch someone who is obviously having trouble flying this plane, I cringed more than a few times watching her mishandle the controls. This woman had no business being in the left seat of this airplane.

[@billferrol4202]

When I was a RAF pilot instrument rating examiner on light aircraft with manual trimmers I had to to check the examinee's ability to recover from UPs, unusual positions, in simulated IMC and with a partial panel, ASI, VSI, g meter, turn and slip and altimeter. We were allowed to apply lots of nose up trim in extreme attitudes but were prohibited from applying any nose down trim beyond that required for level flight at normal cruise speed with the associated power setting. This was because if the examinee got it wrong, gained too much speed to quickly and could not hold the stick back or worse, let it go the resulting negative g bunt could easily overstress the aircraft and the pull force required to raise the nose could be too much for the pilots to handle. Although it's still speculative I think I'd have to agree that the nose down trim may have been too much for the pilot in this incident. I would also refrain from making any comment about the "possible" interference that the non pilot may or may not have made! That may come out later but although you may think it based on previous possible events commenting on it publicly is dangerous and could cause undue distress to concerned parties. My condolences go to the family.

[@jamesmoore8900]

A similar thing can happen to racecar drivers when adjusting brake bias, it is not hard to go a little too far one way and then too far back to readjust it

[@Parker53151]

She knew more about her GoPros than flying her aircraft.

[@pablopeter3564]

It would be interesting to know how she got her pilot license. I am sorry, specially for her father.

[@lovejetfuel4071]

You said it right there, she was in over her head . But not only that, from the videos I have seen of her, cockpit fixation could have been an issue. Something that in my early flying days got me in trouble a couple of times. Like my flight examiner who was an ex eastern airline pilot, he always told me, learn to fly the plane first

[@rsdw4003]

She was very much a 'button pusher' - works on the ground with a phone, less so in a 1960s airplane

[@SOLDOZER]

I saw one person tell her all the iPads, iPhones and cameras were a distraction. Told her to get a kneepad and a pencil and get back to basics. She did not like that too much and blew them off.

[@laurenhadley7596]

thats what my cfi tells me learn to fly the plane first

[@jamescameron2490]

Sounds from the previous video that she was struggling with the autopilot for a good half hour prior to the crash. The only thought that occurred to me was, turn the dammed thing off, and hand fly the aircraft. The whole episode reminded me of what used to be called "Doctor in a Bonanza syndrome."

[@FreshTillDeath56]

What pilot buys / learns a plane without actually flying it by hand?! Ignorant me does not understand in the slightest.

[@jackrillema7423]

Pop the breaker switch to the auto pilot to regain manual control

[@johngreydanus2033]

TN_Fly: I hate you and going to replace you. AutoPilot: We'll see about that

[@brakerbraker829]

This young woman was an accident waiting to happen. Shame on all the "professionals" who rubber-stamped her all too brief flying career.

[@lrh411]

I could not have said it better.

[@slpater1]

​@@robertwarner-ev7wp given training is objective and there are standards with very little rook for margin it's hardly that they're pushing women through for equality. Fly professionally and you'll find plenty of dumb dudes out there flying left seat in multi million dollar airplanes

[@alexmelia8873]

As someone who has never seen her videos, what makes you say she was an accident waiting to happen?

[@davidcouch6514]

She was 45 years old; half a century.

[@donaldjz]

90 years in a century. Got it

[@idiocracyBonanza]

I used to be military flight instructor and what iv seen so far she would be politely dismissed from my course on day 1 for lacking the very basic and extremely critical space awareness..

[@k.s.333]

Never heard of her before this crash. Watched a bunch of her videos and some of the comments she makes in a few of them are so cringe considering what happened.

[@livingmydreamtrading4824]

She stated in one that the AP was trying to kill her. Sadly in the end it seems that her not understanding how to use it may have led to her demise.

[@thegood9]

Same here. I totally agree. Have no idea why she felt like she needed a "channel" in the first place. It did not serve her well, and I'm sure was more of a distraction than anything else---well, other than the AP.

[@k.s.333]

@@thegood9 The irony is, if I heard correctly, her cameras may have been recovered and if the videos survived the investigators could actually have visual evidence of what was going on.

[@huh4233]

Less video, more aviation said captain obvious. Nice to hear an expert break it down. I hope the recovered cameras can give more insight.

[@herbjones122578]

A tragic case that I hope people will learn from. You sir are outstanding in your fair and thorough explanation of what happened and make this a true learning experience. RIP.

[@whoprofits2661]

For crying out loud, fly the plane manually! No need for an autopilot. The whole point of General Aviation is to experience piloting, aviating. Not being a system operator.

[@bobwilson758]

Right !

[@davidrogers0717]

Curious if she was unable to disengage it or got confused ? I mean 30+ minutes of up and down? Seems to simple of an answer to not do it.

[@darwinism8181]

This is a really silly attitude; autopilot is an extremely useful tool and there is no reason to discard it for silly 'this is what I think aviation should be' reasons. In this situation the pilot in question over-relied on autopilot that they did not understand; that's a potentially fatal flaw that can be applied to just about any part of an aircraft in general aviation. It's not a flaw inherent to autopilot, it's a flaw inherent to the generally relatively lax safety culture of general aviation - which is why general aviation kills an order of magnitude more people each year despite involving radically fewer flights.

[@ZetaByteMe]

Tactfully disagree. If the automation isn't doing what you want it to do, it is absolutely NOT silly to turn it off, and fly the airplane. Same goes if you need to move the airplane NOW, and it would take too long by the time you program the automation, and it finally does what you wanted. This comes from a 20K hr, 31 year airline pilot. I absolutely hated watching a pilot fool with the flight guidance panel on short final, when simply clicking off the autopilot and auto-throttles, then landing the airplane would have been so much more efficient and comfortable for the passengers. I say this with sincere sorrow - way too many airline pilots are way to hesitant to click off the automation and fly manually!

[@k.s.333]

I've seen comments criticizing the instructor that she fired shortly before the crash. I'm wonder if he was doing a lot of stuff for her instead of instructing simply because he wanted to stay alive.

[@gxd4b1]

The problem is, if you are with a bad student, you probably just default to the 'look, shes not really going to be able to do this, its easier if I just quickly reply to the ATC myself, or adjust this setting here' mode .... its human nature. Im not saying he SHOULD have done that .. but if you are just there to build up your hours, you know she's just a Sunday pilot doing KZbin vids , you might not be bothered to 'train' her properly.

[@wingandaprayer883]

@@gxd4b1 There is no place in aviation for that mindset and I find it a horrible thought if CFI's are let through the cracks that hold that mindset. There is no .. "but" .. none. CFI's have their students lives in their hands and so do FAA examiners.

[@gxd4b1]

Didnt the FAA up the hours to be a commercial pilot recently? Maybe some people are CFIs just so they can get their bum on a seat and tick away the hours. Perhaps a flaw in the authorities plan as people do anything (particularly in this economic climate) to get hours logged. @@wingandaprayer883

[@NicolaW72]

I wrote it in Juan´s other Video about the topic: Watching her Video as a Woman it looked like to me as if he was more engaged with her than with instructing her, he acted more like a Boyfriend than as an Instruction. This looked bad to me because in this way she couldn´t learn anything because she neither got the occasion to do it herself nor feedback about her performance.

[@elderbob100]

​@@gxd4b1It looked to me like the instructor was constantly heading off a "pilot deviation" and all the issues related to that, in addition to not wanting to auger in.

[@onethumbks]

I wouldn’t have got in a car with her behind a wheel, never mind an aircraft. All due respect to her, I hope the deleted videos are shared with all pilots and pilots in training. Flying isn’t a fun joke. There’s no restart button to push like a video game. It doesn’t matter your gender or looks. You need to understand what you’re doing. It honestly terrifies me that she’s likely not the only incompetent pilot in the sky. Everyone in the area was fortunate she crashed in the secluded woods and not a residential or commercial area.

[@IP0Monsturd]

I thought planes fly themselves for good looking women.

[@JerBuster77]

Flying an airplane is a little bit more complicated than driving a car, but sure you be you.

[@GarlandFarms]

It's a bit of a travesty that those videos were taken down. They could have served as a word of caution, as well as an invaluable teaching tool for pilots and non-pilots alike.

[@beeble2003]

@@JerBuster77 Um, that's the point the OP is making. The OP wouldn't trust her to drive him in a car, so he certainly wouldn't trust her to do a harder thing than that.

[@ThePolecatProcess]

@@GarlandFarmsI haven’t seen the videos, but there’s been some rumors they’re floating around flight blogs and stuff, consensus from people who claimed to have seen them is that they were made private because they were quite embarrassing, as in they showed a complete inability to properly fly and aircraft and gave many forewarnings to this disaster. Due to that some people speculate the family was trying to cover some stuff up to gain more sympathy, but ultimately no one will know until they’re made public. I think the FAA should definitely release any footage captured during this flight though.

[@JT-sz7xc]

I truly believe this airplane was beyond her capabilities, as others have stated, in her videos she seamed behind on most task. As pilots, VFR or IFR flights, you always have to be several steps ahead of the aircraft. So truly sorry for the loss of two lives.

[@grayrabbit2211]

Sadly, a C152 was beyond her capabilities. She really needed to understand flight basics better and her videos showed it. Maintaining airspeed and a steady heading are required of 10 hour student pilots before they can solo. She claimed to have 400 hours.

[@JT-sz7xc]

@@grayrabbit2211 Yes, just from what I’ve seen, I’d like to know who signed off on her private pilots license. I went to Vincennes University in the 80’s for flight school, if any of us flew this inconsistent we never would have passed our many check rides, let alone been given a license. I hope the FAA looks hard into her training.

[@RNG-999]

Who gave her the certifications and licenses she possessed? Somebody is responsible for allowing this woman to fly with such little training and such incompetency. Somebody is responsible. Who?

[@shadowdog500]

If you look at her early videos with her flying the Cherokee she learned in, she seemed to fly that plane at the appropriate proficiency for her experience level. It’s an easy to fly plane and didn’t have any bells or whistles. I think the problem started when she bought the Debonair one month after her checkride.

[@aigtrader2984]

I agree and I share the guilt for not being one of the people to scream at the top of my lungs on her KZbin channel. Maybe if the aviation community would have stood up instead of patting her on the back, she might still be alive

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Such a sad story all the way around. I appreciate your in depth analysis as always, Juan.

[@jimstanley_49]

They may have been trying to work out the autopilot on the way. Things kept getting worse, possibly pushing trim in the wrong direction each time. Finally, she says "Screw it! Turn it off!" AP disengages the nearly maxed-out servos and down they go.

[@donallan6396]

If the GoPro data remained intact, we may have a full understanding of why she was off course and then had the altitude oscillations.

[@Sovek86]

actually theres a video of one of her flights a year earlier, 40nm flight and immediatly has 0 idea of where she's going and plays around with the autopilot. How she managed to get a PPL is beyond me. my flight experience is limited to MSFS and even I have more awareness of what my aircraft is doing than this girl did. instead of simply flying for a few hours by hand (something easier to do IRL btw) she cant even handle doing a simple 30m flight before resorting to the AP in a vain attempt to get to her destination.

[@qanondon2100]

She always had an altitude problem and never did proper flight debriefings

[@randymengler540]

I think her plane identified as a LAWN DART???

[@jonbob585]

In my s35 Bonanza that used to have a century 2000, my American Bonanza society instructor had me set the autopilot on altitude hold and slowly un-trim the airplane. The control wheel forces when the servos give up and the autopilot disconnects on its own are substantial. I can certainly see how that kind of situation could very quickly develop into a loss of control.

[@GreenCrim]

Haven't flown a Debonair and have been trying to get my head around how this could have happened. Would you call it plausible that if you got in this situation and somewhat panicked, fighting the controls rather than getting level (ish) and unloading the controls with trim, and potentially with a non pilot putting their 2 cents in you could end up being a passenger with the plane oscillating until it fell apart or hit something? It just seems like such a weird thing to me. e.g. In a 182RG I've had to use a lot of input to hold the nose down to avoid a stall after a go around until I adjusted the trim. But it wasn't something I thought about, I just kept the plane under control and trimmed it to unload the controls and climb away at the right speed.

[@billl7551]

This one of the basics of what could have happened, or the AI send incorrect signals, or, or, or. Either way . . . when the trim forces release due to the torque limit of the servo there is a dramatic pitch change and control forces resisting the pilot . . . some aircraft are more dramatic than others. They all have to have the same limiting feature, but not same control forces. Easily could have been 50 lbs according to one Century servo spec found. Increasing with ^2 of speed. You are spot on - this training is required! Thanks Juan for an excellent and sober review of the material. Brutal honesty among pilot friends can save lives and are us better.

[@jonbob585]

@@billl7551 That's an excellent point. I did this training below maneuvering speed, but if you were above Vne The forces could have been insurmountable. Also, I didn't look to see if this plane was a throw over yoke or if it had dual columns, but it might have only been her that was able to fight the control forces if it was in fact a single column Bonanza.

[@jonbob585]

@@GreenCrim I've been trying to ponder this one as well. It seems like the autopilot was giving them trouble long before the final pitch up and plunge. This might fall into that wishful thinking category, where they continue to try to arm the autopilot despite it continuing to give them abnormal results. Again, it goes back to that training. I was always taught to discontinue any automation that was not producing the expected results. And my instructor made sure to drive that home doubly with autopilot failures.

[@paulapilot286]

@@jonbob585 the plane had dual controls.

[@ericott5779]

Another great video- thank you for the explanation. During my check flight with my DPE- the examiner made comments about over using trim and getting into an area where the flight controls were less effective. Always stuck with me.

[@cathyl2338]

Just heard of this case and immediately thought - I wonder what Juan thinks! And here it is. Thank you.

[@waetos]

Some people simply can't grasp the basics of controlling an aircraft. She's one example.

[@LarsLarsen77]

She can't drive a car either.

[@iRunfastXC]

@@LarsLarsen77for real?

[@phillipjohnson8241]

She paid for training and the instructor failed her miserable. She fired that instructor and after hiring the new instructor he took her back to basics. This to me is on the bad instructor she hired first and fired.

[@kawh8719]

Sounds like she and her father FAFO'd. Especially after watching other recaps of her failures to understand basic flight control.

[@davidfrench5407]

@imapieface There is a video of her driving in Knoxville. Running stop signs, almost hit another car. She took no personal responsibility for her safety or anyone else's.

[@JDDupuy]

I wonder if she ever really knew just how unqualified she was to be flying? It's a shame no matter how you look at it! Flying a private airplane should never be underestimated!

[@YARCHLRL]

of course she knew but her ego wouldn't let her stop and as a result, she killed her father.

[@moonmullins8227]

Never take up flying so you can get more "views" it will kill you.....and it did.

[@grayrabbit2211]

That's my question. And how come her CFIs weren't throwing her into frightening situations to underscore the seriousness of things?

[@upliftstv]

​@@YARCHLRL I'm not even sure it was ego. I think she just didn't know what she didn't know, and was quite simply oblivious to the magnitude of the danger she was in. She didn't seem overconfident in her videos, or egotistical, and I think she realized her lack of skill was a danger. She just massively underestimated exactly how much danger. Edit: I think it's also possible her father's presence lulled her into a false sense of security, since it gave her the illusion of a second pair of hands, but he wasn't a qualified pilot either.

[@ranchopatriot]

Aviation is a great career but a lousy hobby.

[@gawebm]

I recently installed an autopilot in my light sport homebuilt. During testing, and not full understanding the system, I managed to get a severe roll-over that nearly sent me inverted. Later on another flight, the system sent me into a severe pitch up. Both situations were far more extreme, and required more stick force, than I had ever used to return to level flight. Not the same aircraft or system as the accident plane but I saw first hand how surprising and deadly an autopilot can be to those who are not familiar. I ended up removing the system from my plane because I felt I would never be able to trust it completely. Also, in my case I believe the manufacturer's software had some issues. I can absolutely understand how shocking and disorienting a misuse of an autopilot could be on an older, faster, much heavier aircraft.

[@gxd4b1]

Stay safe out there ... I dont want you to die.

[@Ronibearable]

There is one really huge difference... you experienced two times and removed the AP. She just complained about it and continued to blame it and not her lack of understanding. It's why you are still here and she is not.

[@annabodot962]

And you went and had dinner that night. That's all that counts. A good lesson is never wasted.

[@babyboomer9560]

I bet you are a male. A female probably would not have been able to wrestle and win with the airplane.

[@mcnultyssobercompanion6372]

Glad to hear you got it level both times. Stay safe up there.

[@malcolmhodgson7540]

I was a flying instructor for many years and a current airline instructor. She would have immediately triggered my “not a pilot candidate” sense. The shame of this story is no-one in the chain leading to this accident grasped the bull by the horns and sorted her out. Every step in this accident chain carries equal responsibility for the fatalities. As an instructor and examiner you need to realise that your primary role is to uphold safety for the benefit of the passengers and the public. You have a duty to the regulatory authority to ensure any pilot that you pass or allow to move on to the next phase is capable and safe. They all seem to have failed in that primary duty.

[@davewitter6565]

Pitch Power and Trim, the holy trinity of transition from climb to acceleration and cruise in straight and level flight. If you are climbing with the autopilot on at 100mph and level off and accelerate to 150mph without trimming that would be a problem. Always nice to have the aircraft trimmed before engaging the autopilot. Not a bad habit to disengage the autopilot and check the trim once in a while, as well.

[@nunya2954]

Yes, without PPT, you most likely going to need some TP - toilet paper. (best case scenario)

[@mrkc10]

Devastating. Absolutely devastating. Once again nothing short of expert analysis.

[@bradleystereoguitaramplifi9616]

The footage on those two devices that were found in the wreckage will be chilling. Thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends ❤

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed a very sad story! Why she and her Dad crashed becomes clearer now. Thank you very much for your detailed explanations, Juan! And RIP to both of them. My Condolences.

[@evajordan450]

This whole thing is just heart breaking, and I pray for the family and friends affected by this tragedy. This shouldn't have happened and I am grateful for you and everyone investing their lives to educate the aviation community to prevent another tragedy like this. Rest in peace, our fallen aviators.

[@Redridge07]

@evajordan450 Did you really pray or did you just repeat that statement trying to make yourself feel like a good person.

[@MrRem7600]

@@Redridge07 fairly tired occurrence on this channel - hollow virtue signalling. I don't see this person as an aviator at all - it was a woman who's primary focus seemed to be making videos for youtube. A real aviator would have applied themselves 100% to the process of learning how to fly and take that process seriously. You can't do that while trying to produce videos at the same time.

[@SaberToothBicycle]

Aspiring pilots shouldn't have to die in order to figure out--only in their last few terrifying moments--that they've selected the wrong career path. Pilot shortages notwithstanding, some folks need to "wash out"--for their own good.

[@danziegner]

But it did happen. And that’s the point of not knowing what you don’t know. And in this case one has to wonder how her instructor allowed her to get into this airplane if the first place certainly knowing, or should have known, that she was not rated for it and could not fly it safely.

[@Redridge07]

@@danziegner You do not know what you are talking about.

[@alanduncan4207]

There is a video of her during an instructional flight with a CFII. While concluding a hand-flown instrument approach on short final, the instructor asked her to trim the nose down and she trimmed the aircraft in the wrong direction. It seemed clear that she did not understand much of anything about the fundamentals of this aircraft. Or any aircraft really. After watching all of this unfold, I feel incredibly grateful that the every one of my instructors and examiners have been hard-asses who made sure I was the best pilot I could be.

[@LarsLarsen77]

She said "gear down" when she raised the gear on takeoff. She had NO idea what anything she was doing or saying meant.

[@Mike.The.Jeweler]

And in typical dan gryder style he deleted his video and all social media posts where he was claiming he was 100% certain she stalled and spun it, without adressing he was wrong at all.

[@jimdavis1939]

No surprise there.

[@Mike.The.Jeweler]

@@jimdavis1939 That dude is legit his own worst enemy.

[@Mike.The.Jeweler]

@Plutogalaxy only since he lost litigation, and if he's wrong they usually disappear faster than that (like this one did. I'm sure that's just a coincidence)

[@eightysea3780]

The guy is a 🤡 I stopped watching any of his stuff when he decided he should delete it after a week. If it's not important enough for me to see when I get back from vacation, it's not important. But I guess it lets him use the "I never said that" excuse in cases like this.

[@Mike.The.Jeweler]

@eightysea3780 that's exactly what it is. He only started that shit after he started getting slapped with lawsuits because he jumps to conclusions faster than my ex girlfriend and can't keep his mouth shut.

[@HamiltonMechanical]

we had a few mutual friends in common. She's a local. Crazy to see one of these videos about someone closeby. I admire you pilots, I love operating machinery and can drive nearly anything, but I've never even flown in a plane. Just watching these videos it's a whole nother level of operation, and I really admire what you guys do. Hate to see when someone gets overconfident or even worse, not knowing they are operating beyond their abilities.

[@badabing8152]

calling that girl a pilot is a bit of a stretch.

[@441rider]

I only trust my life to mechanical things I can repair and understand to some degree. Like having a chute packed misplaced trust can be fatal.

[@user-kb8gh5jv9t]

These Videos don’t show the half of what we do on every flight since every flight is different. That is one reason why I’m a strong believer of NOT having Cockpit Videos on the Internet at all since they only show half the story yet everyone now thinks they can fly by watching these. It’s truly disturbing!

[@beeble2003]

@@user-kb8gh5jv9t Who thinks they can fly after watching a KZbin video of somebody else doing it?

[@user-kb8gh5jv9t]

@@beeble2003 , you’d be surprised!

[@aproudamerican2692]

*First my heart goes out to TNFlyGirls mother and family at this horrible time.* This was no accident. From everything I've seen her instructors are at fault for certifying her when she was not capable of flying this plane on her own. She got lucky alot of flights but it seemed inevitable that this crash was going to happen sooner than later. This is the same as a person being able to afford an expensive exotic car but not understanding the cars abilities and crashing it. She got a Lambo as her first car and never understood or respected the cars raw power. I was raised around pilots my entire childhood and I've know people that just couldn't cut it and they never received a pilots license. Unfortunately, no one had the guts to really test her abilities or lack of and kept her on the ground where she belonged. Every video I saw before most videos were removed showed that she was always afew steps behind the plane and she never fully honed her radio ear or skills. It's like she knew what to do but not sure why she was doing it. She never understood the aerodynamics of the plane. She knew she needed to pull this or that knob but not quite sure why she was doing it. Maybe that's just my interpretation of the videos but the outcome is the same. *They only reason her plane crashed was because no one told her NO!* There are acouple videos under her playlist still. One where she gets very upset that she had a hard landing in front of her mechanic. She's upset at her CFI but he was telling her what to do and she just wasn't doing it. It seemed like everything was done for the camera and not for her and her riders safty. Not to mention the people on the ground. The FAA had better start getting tougher on these Instructors that do everything for a pretty girl and pass them because like one of her T shirts said she was a "# BossGirl"! She talked her way into being certified because her skils just weren't there. She had 400+ hours? If she didn't get it by then she never was going to and that's how it ended. Again, it wasn't an accident. There are people responsible for this and they need to be held accountable for their part in this tragedy.

[@puciato7540]

I don't feel bad for these wamen one bit.

[@G-ra-ha-m]

I very quickly came to the conclusion that she simply had no idea how aircraft work. Some of us grew up flying model planes, others look at a wing or control surface and really have no idea what it's for...

[@prjndigo]

For the lay-person to understand... pushing the trim too far in either direction also sets up a very noticeable asymmetry in flight control response both in the forces needed and an offsetting the operational "neutral" position of the yoke and can result in not only limited function of the controls but also exceptional heaviness in one direction from the active neutral position. Using up half your trim angle in an unloaded plane is a major red flag - flight speed and altitude should be explored first. Such a thing should only be necessary in an unloaded situation to enable the aircraft to make a landing after taking structural distortion, damage or control failures such as compensating for other surfaces jamming in an operated position. This aircraft should not have needed trim at all to fly safely on the route and altitude it had planned. Trim is always desirable but rarely crucial. If an autopilot does not have control of the trim, you can actually push the trim over enough that releasing the yoke will let the control surface forces disengage the autopilot. Manual trim has killed more pilots than bad mechanics. Due to the asymmetric nature such a disengagement event will always occur asymmetrically as well. And, as advised a long time ago. If you're ever flying with a passenger and they touch the controls outside of emergency instruction you need to get to the ground and leave them to walk the rest of the way.

[@marctronixx]

i need a layman explanation for your lay-person explanation.. :p

[@AT502]

Having watched almost all of her videos, including several that have been taken down this entire scene reminds me of those IG post that shows a picture and the caption reads 'The more you look the worse it gets...'

[@chrisroberson3129]

I appreciate your videos that dumb it down for a non-pilot. You explain it well and it makes me realize there is a lot to flying.

[@k.larson4682]

@chrisroberson3129 There is an awful lot more to flying!! I've had tractor-trailer drivers tell me they figure if they can drive a semi, they can fly a plane. Flying isn't driving.

[@robertgregory8936]

Thank you. Your videos show that many accidents were not random, and could be prevented.

[@2oqp577]

Sorry for being blunt; I cannot understand how in the world she did not witness herself, during the editing of those videos, being overwhelmed to the point of scaring herself. When asking the right seat to check one's own airspeed, you should re-evaluate your task saturation level. If it's not high enough, don't start that engine. Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.

[@davidjose9808]

Well stated remarks

[@Patrick-kt5mc]

To be fair I haven't watched any of her videos but it seems to me that she was more concerned about people watching her fly and getting KZbin hits looking sexy than actually operating an aircraft.

[@MiamiTabor]

I noticed before the crash she got to 85kts. I’d bet she was trimming nose down to stop that climb. I owned a v tail Bonanza for a while and a Bonanza isn’t a beginner aircraft.

[@DaDin600]

This is so sad. To screw around with the autopilot for THIRTY minutes and not just give up and turn it off is insane. And to be so far off course because you are head down w the autopilot that the controller has to tell you to correct your course on VFR flight following.... I would love to hear her instructor's opinion on all this. She didn't know the fundamental basics to keep herself alive, and she very likely wasn't even aware of what she didn't know.

[@davidholubetz177]

great comment

[@T_Mo271]

I suspect her instructors have legal advice to not say a word.

[@brandyballoon]

Perhaps a bit of Dunning-Kruger effect at play. It really was the CFI's responsibility to give her the hard word, but sometimes I think there's too much pressure for them to be "nice".

[@SOLDOZER]

Thats whats insane about this. It was 100% avoidable if she had the confidence and skills to hand fly it. But she clearly didn't. Who was signing off on all these certs??

[@ellisjames7192]

She knew what she did not know. That is why she wanted the autopilot to work for her. She wanted the AP to make up for what she did not know or was too lazy to learn.

[@Gtrips07]

She tore the nosegear off her first plane. This isnt surprising

[@hockeygoal24]

There is No short Cuts in the Aviation World / Precision MUST be Followed with Every Single Flight! Always Stay Ahead of Your Aircraft!🛩️

[@737Parkie]

On one of the videos I watched they (her instructor was with her) were 900’ low on a practice approach. How does the instructor allow this to happen? He seemed just as lost as she was when the controller pointed it out. 🤷🏻‍♂️. I instructed instruments for years and wouldn’t let my students get more than 50’ low. Wow.

[@timothyjhaller8449]

The CFI was surprised when ATC called him out on the fact that he was 900’ feet low over the fix. The ATC sent them around and that was a complete mess on the flight deck. He was awful and probably a candidate for an “Instructional Malpractice” law suit. Both of the instructors that I saw on a few videos were truly terrible and I believe a partly responsible for what happened.

[@Thekid-e5y]

They should have kept those videos up on KZbin, the latest flights she had with her "CFI" and father. New Pilots and Students could learn a lot from her flights. Perfect example of what warning signs look like, be that of the CFI or aircraft knowledge and certification. We know that in the past, aviation accidents paved the way for a safer future, and I believe using her previous flights as a teaching moment could save many lives. So sorry for her loss, i really think this could have been prevented.

[@Ronibearable]

Here is what I think is tragic. She augured into the ground CONVINCED that their rapidly approaching death was DUE TO a defective auto pilot. She never understood that she did not know how to fly that plane and that AP correctly. She'd taken it to a different place to get the AP fixed, and was in flight to a new place to get the AP fixed and was SO blinded to her belief that it could not possibly be due to her own ignorance that she experienced death by hubris... and dad was killed due to negligence. And she's not the first and won't be the last....

[@johngreydanus2033]

TN_Fly: I hate you and going to replace you. AutoPilot: We'll see about that

[@vk2ig]

​@@johngreydanus2033The HAL of autopilots ...

[@markhumphrey8894]

Was the electronics that needed to be fixed the Autopilot?. I did not hear that in Juan's discussion. I may have missed it if it was. And if it was, what in Sam hill was she doing even turning it in the first place? Wouldn't her father have even told her not to turn it on?. So sad.

[@vk2ig]

@@markhumphrey8894 Apparently it wasn't faulty. The aircraft was being flown to its intended destination for an avionics upgrade.

[@markhumphrey8894]

That's what I thought. Didn't think it was a faulty Auto pilot

[@rannyacernese6627]

The speed/altitude chart is terrifying

[@everettfarr8036]

I'm learning to fly. Recently I took off with the trim set slightly nose down. Cessna 172. The amount of effort it took to get the nose on the horizon (500 ft per minute) was incredible compared to trim neutral. This video is another lesson learned for me. To all, you better understand everything about your airplane.......

[@baxrok2.]

She probably thought that the autopilot would compensate for her lack of skill and became dependent on it. She failed at that too.

[@Cmoredebris]

If they can pull usable video from the video cameras found, I hope we learn that the pilot was not trying to trim the AC with her iPad tablet. She seemed to depend on that device.

[@Westyrulz]

Is there any cockpit footage just prior to impact? It would be interesting to see Jenny's efforts to regain control and her emotional response as she became aware that she had in fact lost control of the airplane.

[@therealrobinc]

Her Go-Pros on her fatal flight are now with the NTSB.

[@--SPQR--]

"Interesting to see her emotional response". This right here, ladies and gentlemen, is called a psychopath.

[@MalcolmRuthven]

This report and your prior report show that she was "way behind" the plane, and she had 400 hours (not a real beginner). She may have been one who just wasn't meant to be a pilot. I wonder what her instructors thought about her.

[@williamford9564]

1:09: I saw on another site that the longest flight she had ever taken was slightly over 2 hours and that all but a very few of her flights were anything more than out and back training flights to the same airport. So this was a proposed 3 hour flight without a qualified instructor ( and not even a qualified pilot) in the other seat.

[@bishopdredd5349]

In the comments of the previous video here, a friend pilot even offered her to join for this trip, but she declined and choose to fly with her dad.

[@SOLDOZER]

@@bishopdredd5349 That dude was a stalker/admirer. Not a friend.

[@3xceIIent]

@@SOLDOZER Honestly from what I have seen you seem like the stalker. Claiming to be her cousin and saying who she did or didn't know while simultaneously talking shit about her and her dad in the comment sections of this and the past video from this channel.

[@davidmangold1838]

@@3xceIIent he’s referring to me, that I’m not a real pilot and that I was stalking Jenny. I saw her videos one year ago. I commented when I felt it was appropriate, giving her critiques and tips. We had a genuine friendship for the past year, texting and talking on the phone three to four times a week. We tried to meet many time, but it never worked out. I live in Florida, and she Tennessee. If SHE considered me a stalker, why did she invite me to thanksgiving with her family? And I’ve been a real pilot for 55 years, 40 years as a major airline pilot, 28,000 flight hours and 25,500 hours in big airline jets (18,000 hours in the Boeing 767). She knew all that, and seemed to welcome my advice. Tomorrow will be one month😞. RIP to them both.

[@Charlie1821]

I know skydive instructors are notorious for hooking up with students and giving them passes. Didn’t realize pilots were as well.

[@idanceforpennies281]

Rich doctors, lawyers and business people routinely kill themselves in high performance singles. They think that they are high performers in their field, the plane will acknowledge that as it quickly arrives at the scene of the crash.

[@buckhorncortez]

Hardly. They buy "high performance" airplanes because they can afford them, just like high performance automobiles.

[@user-ek8zu2gv4t]

You are correct ..... and buckhorncortez ...... it's called Doctor Syndrome for a reason.