NTSB Report: How A Delta A350 Collided With A CRJ900

[@Charles-b2t]

Looks like no quick fix on the A350 . Delta stated the wing had substantial internal cracking on critical wing parts . Far from minor damage !!!

[@killerbees177]

Love how the day this video is released is the day I'm on DL295😂

[@JingJao]

damn brother you on vacation? lucky a$$

[@noob.168]

@@JingJao Japan is cheap af.

[@spades9048]

I’ll be on that flight in 2 months. I’ve seen that flight for years as an ATC but never been on it. I remember when it was a 747 then a 777 and now an A350. The return flight has always been 296 but I guess they’re changing it because mine says 294.

[@sswaffensturm664]

Seems like an unfortunate combination of the CRJ stopping short and the crew of the A350 being distracted but I would say the co-pilot of the 350 should be keeping an eye out.

[@hamtrak_p42dcamtrak67]

Must’ve been wild seeing that from the southwest plane taxing ahead of it all

[@johannessamuelsson6578]

oh yeah I thought that too.

[@blueskies8834]

The series of events begins with Rwy 9L/27R being Notam Closed. Very rare for an A350 to ever use 8R for departure.

[@87solarsky]

Summary: The CRJ didn't get close enough to their assigned hold short line, which exposed them to higher rearward collision risks, and: boom. Inconsiderate ground maneuvering.

[@JingJao]

I feel bad for the guys piloting the a350. ATL is hectic like JFK ORD and LAX to get around.

[@Tom-ih8gr]

Absolutely not. If a car stops a few metres before a stop line at a junction and you ram into the side of it, it’s your fault. They weren’t moving, it’s the 350’s fault.

[@AlbertHess-xy7ky]

Who hit who?

[@removefromme]

@@Tom-ih8grThat is a terrible comparison.

[@flywithjohn]

@87solarsky - you are incorrect. The CRJ was not moving and there is nothing that says you shall get as close to the hold short line as possible for the active runway. It was the moving aircraft’s responsibility to verify they had wingtip clearance. Period. Is it possible that it wouldn’t have been an issue if the CRJ was closer to the line? Possibly, that however does not change that the responsibility falls on the PIC moving their airplane to verify that they have clearance to prevent a collision. If you don’t know for sure, you stop.

[@LAGroupHoldings.]

This Just Shows, The Strength Of the wings Of the A350

[@ABDULLAH-789-h2d]

You think that thing is strong??????it just shows the bombardier tail is weak.the a350 is weaker than boeing

[@tonamg53]

@@ABDULLAH-789-h2d The tailplane is not exactly design to withstand a hit from the side while the leading edge of an aircraft wing is quite strong

[@man9170]

Airbus aircraft don’t fall apart mid air like Boeing

[@sainnt]

​@@man9170Mm... better use your Google, pal. Airbus got lucky with an A380 whose engine fell off. That was in the air.

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@tonamg53 oh.but im saying that the wing of the a350 is less strong than boeings

[@Tina-d8f]

CRJ stopped shy of position. CRJ is a fine looking aircraft.

[@tonamg53]

So fine the A350 couldn’t resist slapping its butt….

[@wadehiggins1114]

​@@tonamg53😂👍🏽

[@sainnt]

While the CRJ was short of the hold line, there's no excuse for the copilot of the A350 not to see the aircraft and wait for the CRJ to advance into the runway for their takeoff roll. The A350 captain should be monitoring the left, and the copilot monitoring the right. Had the copilot paid any attention to the right side of the taxiway, the collision would have been avoided.

[@rubinwilson3426]

Also ATC did say “as able” which should give you pause and look and see if your path is clear to proceed.

[@tonamg53]

It’s almost impossible to know where your wing tips are exactly for aircraft this size… it is more than 30m away from the cockpit. Pilots usually rely on maintaining centre on the yellow taxi line to avoid hitting things. In tight area they usually required wing walkers to visually check the clearance. They probably did see the CRJ but didn’t think they were going to hit it.

[@sainnt]

@@tonamg53 According to the NTSB report, the pilots were focused on the left side of the aircraft. They paid little attention to the right, otherwise they would have stopped. Understandably, the A350 has a wide wingspan, but if they were paying attention they would have stopped.

[@vincent412l7]

The pilot saw the crj turn and stop, and so knew where the crj was, whether he was looking at it or not.

[@jsumusicmom8244]

Faults are seldom single.

[@charlesmoss8119]

A really good breakdown- thank you

[@christophermcnally8782]

I worked in aviation repair for 46 yrs. Carbon fibre parts like wing spars and shear webs are rarely fixed. The Quantas A380 that had the engine explosion took 2 yrs just to plan the repair and 18 months to repair. I think it will be a while before they figure out a repair. It might be a wing replacement.

[@troycarothers8254]

CRJ didn't hold short. It held long.

[@vincent412l7]

A commenter on another video noted that there was an incline at the hold short, so that if the crj pulled up closer then it would have needed more power to start moving.

[@carolynmorales7743]

For all who say that some of the blame falls onto the CRJ pilot for stoping too short, you have to consider the perspective of the pilot looking outside the cabin, so, from their point of view, they could have been closer to the holding point. In my opinion, most of the blame points to the pilots of the A350 because they must maintain full awareness of the enviroment surrounding their aircraft during taxi. Finally ATC should know the limits of using holding points when big airplanes are taxing. There are various guidelines regarding taxiways about width, resistance of the surface, separation between taxiways and the size of the aircraft that can taxi through and even if the A350 wouldn't have hit the CRJ, it would not have been acceptable in modern aviation to be a few feet away from each other, it was inevitable to happen. Luckily nobody was injured

[@vaffangool9196]

@@carolynmorales7743 Nobody with reasonable dimensional sense expects a 118' CRJ900 to hang its tail a whopping 174' behind the hold short line. That's 20' more than a whole 757-200.

[@HamMack600]

Well, you see this one wasn’t built so the tail doesn’t fall off. I want everyone to know that’s not normal. Luckily, it was built so the front doesn’t fall off.

[@warren3967]

I see what you did there......🤣

[@vincent412l7]

The A350 pilit could see the CRJ ahead of him and make the turn. He could see where it stopped. He then decided to try to go around ut when he did not have enough clearance. ATC did not give the A350 clearance to go around the CRJ. They were cleared to proceed on the taxuway "as able", meaning when it was ckear to do so. The clearance was given while the 350 was following the crj and did not mean they could disregard them and push them off the taxiway.

[@cobblewobble]

the southwest plane pulling up at the end of the news clip is so funny to me

[@samheldmann]

I'm suprised that the tail fin would come off like that. My guess would have been that the collision would move the CRJ and damage it slightly. Crazy how it just ripped off like that

[@ivanshires1139]

I think* they are meant to break over X units of force in that direction to avoid it being a leverage bar to flip the plane over. Or just broken bolts. Or a weird combination of both

[@UPS-F-km9ni]

I checked the flight schedule for the CRJ9 N302PQ on FR24, and it appears that the CRJ9 has 3 flights scheduled for the 13th of November, DAL5456 from ATL to JAN, and then the same callsign back to ATL from JAN, and then DAL5410 from ATL to BMI, but that's all that appears to be scheduled at the moment, but also to add to that, there appears to be nothing scheduled for the Delta A350 at all

[@swagger897]

The crj hasn’t been fixed yet and the 350 is waiting for engineering approval to begin repairs. Dont expect to see the 350 to fly until maybe February/march

[@bi5048]

This is exactly the reason why planes should he equipped with extension mirror used by pickups hauling trailers.

[@Thepeej31]

That is all on the A350 in my opinion you have two pilots the one on the left checks the left wing tip the one on the right checks the right.

[@I_Evo]

You do realise neither pilot can actually see the wingtips from their seats, they are too far back?

[@terks43]

@@I_Evoit’s 100% on the crew of the A350.

[@vaffangool9196]

The distance between the hold short line on Taxiway H and the edge of Taxiway E is about 180'. The 212' wingspan of the A350 hangs over the taxiway by about 10' on each side, reducing the clear space between the hold short line and Echo traffic to 170', plenty to accommodate the entire 155' length of a 757-200. In that case the ground controller and the A350 crew would be conscious of potential clearance issues between the tail of the airplane holding short and widebody Echo traffic, but they would never have anticipated a 118' CRJ900 to take up 174' by holding a whopping 56' short.

[@I_Evo]

@@terks43 Does that make my comment invalid in some way? And seldom is any aviation incident down to one reason or the actions of one person/crew.

[@ljthirtyfiver]

Ok so what recourse do we provide for the crj crew . I’ll wait

[@johannessamuelsson6578]

This seems like a combination of errors from the pilots of both aircraft as well as ATC.

[@TransportManUK]

The CRJ is apparently flying on Sep 14th on DL4919 from ATL

[@StpBks]

That tail section looks like it came off too easy. I wonder if there will be any investigation as to the structure and engineering. This ground collision may have prevented a more dangerous situation on the commuter jet in the future.

[@billrivenbark8983]

Having previously worked for this Regional airline as a mechanic I can say that being run taxi qualified I would give extra room at the hold short lines. In Memphis FedEx planes were constantly moving about and MD 11s and 777 cargo planes took up a lot of real estate on the Taxi ways. I always when listening to MEM Ground paid close attention to what was coming my way due to the massive wing spans of those monsters. I’d hold farther back on the taxi hold lines.

[@skylineXpert]

The final report wont be surprising...

[@Viewfromabove1]

No mention of airport design and/or change management inadequacies when the 350 was introduced. Can crews really judge clearance distance when their wing tips are 60 odd feet behind them? Sounds like a sure fire way to allow human error to rule the day.

[@GmanCobb]

Watching this while on my flight from PBI to Atlanta 😂

[@MultiFlight123]

Nobody mentions the RVR. Had to be a factor, right?

[@glenandfriends9012]

NEVER FLY DELTA. Missed first three days of 14-day October 2024 cruise because Delta arrived late in Athens from JFK. Delta customer care (LOL) email stated "As much as I would like to assist, I regrettably can not honor (sic) your request for reimbursement of unexpected expenses. Although we take full responsibility of the delay, Delta's obligation is to get you to your destination which was completed." Delta reimbursed me $0.00 of the $3,100+ expenses we incurred (flight to Istanbul, next port where cruise ship boarded passengers; lodging, meals, misseed 3 of 14 cruise days).

[@BobbyGeneric145]

I have a lot of hours in 302pq...sad to see her de-crapitated.

[@Rich-ey7jv]

My 2023 Kia has radar that shows an audible and visual alert when in close proximity to objects. It also has cameras around the entire vehicle. But not on a 100 million dollars aircraft?

[@orionwesley]

Seems like it's a combination of things, with the regional jet not stopped where she should've been. The Delta co-pilot & ground control both seem partially to blame.

[@Greg_P611]

The CJ held way way too short. He was practically in the taxiway

[@gareth__]

3:43 4:00 guess what it is boeing's fault cuz the captian was focusing on the southwest 737 (its a joke btw)

[@paulyiustravelogue]

@ 3:47 should have looked both ways, chief 🤷🏻

[@lorenzdeiler3127]

Fault the Southwest Crew for distracting the A350 crew🤡

[@fastmph]

Delta captain’s fault, period.

[@eamonahern7495]

Reminds me of waiting at traffic lights one time. Nothing to do with a collision or apportioning blame. The light was red for a very long time. There was a car in front of the van two work colleagues and I were in. Next thing there were a few cars behind and no trace of a change from red. The colleague who was not driving the van noticed the car ahead was a bit back from the line at the junction. He got out of the van and informed the car ahead to pull up closer to the line. Sure enough, the light went green shortly afterwards. There are sensor pads underneath the surface of the road at those traffic lights and he realised that. Point being, it's not always best to hold back from a junction line and that was one example and this incident at Atlanta was another example why.

[@vaska00762]

If no pilot deviation took place, then it's hard to understand where the exact cause of the collision was. But if the CRJ wasn't a CRJ, but instead a bigger plane, like an A320 or A220, would the A350 crew have noticed and stopped? Where's a normal place for a plane to stop, short of the hold line? Did ATC assume the A350 could get past the CRJ ok? Or did that not occur to ATC? I bet you if the A350 was behind another widebody like an A330 or another A350, ATC wouldn't have given the clearance to taxi just short of V.

[@ABDULLAH-789-h2d]

Airbus automation

[@vaska00762]

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d there's no automation during taxi? taxi is probably one of the most dangerous parts of any flight, simply because it has the most instances of pilot error and complicated clearances. At the start of the year, the incident at Haneda where the JAL A350 landed on top of a Dash-8 was almost certainly caused by the Dash-8 crew not obeying a "hold short" instruction from ATC, resulting in the runway incursion. This Delta incident could have just as easily taken place with a Boeing aircraft... really... any widebody aircraft would have had the same issue, whether that's a 777, 787, A330 or A350.

[@ABDULLAH-789-h2d]

Time and time again,airbus has automation incidents.

[@vaska00762]

@ABDULLAH-789-h2d No? That's flatly a lie. This isn't the 1980s anymore, where pilots are unfamiliar with fly by wire or FADEC - those technologies have since been adopted by the rest of the aviation industry. Taxiing is not automated on any plane.

[@ABDULLAH-789-h2d]

​@@vaska00762maybe the automation kicked in when it shouldn't have.and airbus has auto flaws,no matter the year

[@iamr4mi]

nice

[@dakhappy]

please repeat for a 4th time

[@LEOretired]

It’s obvious the capt of the crj did not fully pull up to the hold short line for whatever reason. If she had a collision would not have occurred.

[@Viewfromabove1]

If she had! But she didn't. Just as the 350 didn't stop, didn't turn left, didn't see them. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@petrovichbauer5105]

Not that it matters, but it was a female captain of the A350

[@rearspeaker6364]

shes a tail chopper!!

[@tonybeam]

Apparently, the CRJ crew received a "Master Caution".

[@jeffreybaba4155]

Seems like that regional jet 56 ft was a long ways from the whole Short line it should have pulled up closer it's not his fault but they still should have pulled up closer.

[@camileshakakeesic4421]

They had chance to stop ahead of the CRJ

[@PigoonGuy]

If the CRJ-900 was on the wait line this could’ve been avoided.

[@AlbertHess-xy7ky]

Who hit who?

[@PigoonGuy]

@ The A350-900 hit the CRJ-900.

[@vaffangool9196]

@@AlbertHess-xy7ky No one with reasonable dimensional sense expects a 118' CRJ900 to hang its tail a whopping 174' behind the hold short line. Bit of context for you, that's 20' more than a whole 757-200.

[@mrAhollandjr]

So basically if the RJ was 25 ft cliser to the hold short libe, this accident doesn't happen.

[@AlbertHess-xy7ky]

So basically the A350 hit the other plane. Bad pilots.

[@maestrovso]

Just like SUV drivers simple don't see motorcycles despite they are staring right a them, and appear to make eye contact. May be the Delta pilot simply didn't like the CRJ's parking and decided to teach "them" a lesson.

[@ThomasHalways]

Hm... 1:40, registration details are irrelevant to the incident, a classic TMI: Too Much Information to the viewer

[@c_is_the_sharper314]

Definitely Boeings fault

[@PEACE485]

I agree Boeing is at again! 😂

[@creativemindplay]

Always, regardless

[@EuropeanRailfanAlt]

They're at fault for everything fr fr

[@snuffleupagus8268]

The boeing a350 and boeing crj900 are horrible, horrible, aircraft

[@filledwithvariousknowledge2747]

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or you came up with BS to suit your agenda

[@lees8820]

Woman-driver stops way too early and leaves tail of plane hanging in danger area. Yes ATC and A350 have some liability, but they would've assumed that pilots pull-up to the stop-bar, not way before it.

[@sqpilot63074]

Like I said before on the same day of the incident, the CRJ taxi to and hold short of way 50 feet away from the hold short line which is the SOLE PROBLEM cause of the collision. The airport know what airplane operator operates at the airport and if the airplane is taxiing on the centerline, there is 90% chance of collision avoided but it so happened that Endevour rookie captain just does whatever SHE wants and karen is now the SOLE blame for this incident.

[@stevenlemieux7220]

WOW A350 had two accidents good thing was. nobody was fatally killed and both were pilot errors but this brings that one thing Airbus claims that their planes won't let pilots do dangerous things the computers will take over the controls. NOW to `all BOEING HATERS Not here to argue I already know Airbus builds totally awesome airplanes I just wouldn't make that claim. any plane built by man or women and any gender in between can have a bad day and misplace or forgetting a few rivets. I'm just saying.

[@melbournechugging2999]

Oi 👍

[@carlottodaroma3059]

Cars have better collision prevention systems than half billion dollar aircraft….simply ridiculous

[@NoMoreLibs]

Mostly CRJ issue, rest of the blame goes to the 350 crew for not keeping an eye on the right wing. If the DEI CRJ pilot would have pulled a mere 30 feet closer....this would have never happened.

[@saxmanb777]

Why’s the pilot DEI?

[@jonathanweir8467]

Regional flight at fault

[@iseeblood209]

They'll blame trump for this

[@noob.168]

Which is true if you think about. Trump should've prevented this in the first place by having his 757 be the one to taxi in front of the A350.

[@gtr603]

Swiss cheese effect here. So many holes which lead to the error

[@NBLCGBLN]

I would say ATC is to blame. Then again, these things can unfortunately happen so I´m not being too harsh on anyone. So long as everyone is safe, that´s all that matters...

[@TB-um1xz]

Would love to hear more about how this is ATC fault.....

[@AlbertHess-xy7ky]

ATC did not tell the big plane to hit the little plane .

[@vincent412l7]

ATC gave clearance to taxi "as able", meaning when it was clear to do so.

[@ABDULLAH-789-h2d]

Airbus automation maybe?

[@juansanchez-tr1dq]

Go away troll

[@Wolfennsteinn]

You and your boeing fanboying.

[@MrSchwabentier]

there is no automation on the ground

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@juansanchez-tr1dq that wasnt trolling.im expressing opinion.but calling people trolls when they are not trolling is trolling,fact

[@AbdullahNajib-b9z]

@@Wolfennsteinn so?