You Might be a Vinyl Record Snob if... | Talking About Records

Social media allows us all to have a voice, but sometimes you're just better off keeping your mouth shut and scrolling on by. As vinyl records become more popular the trolls and snobs inevitably emerge and interject a negative, condescending tone in the discussion. Here's a few examples of "snobbish" behavior I'd love to see come to an end.
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[@Kalprog]

I've been into vinyl for over 40 years and the issues you point out are in direct relation to the creation of the internet and social media. I can honestly say this type of negativity was unheard of when I was starting out. There was no "community" to follow or join just local friends who spent time with each other pursuing the same interests. The best part was the weekly listening parties to hear what everyone else had acquired. That's how we learned by actually interacting. Today you can be a critic from afar. Great video! 👍

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks Kurt! And I totally agree. Would love to go back to those days

[@stevebird9510]

I agree. The internet has done nothing to really improve our lives where it matters.

[@zenfishbike]

Recently discovered your channel and have been binge watching it quite a bit. Of the many extremely helpful and well-presented videos you've done this one is among your best. My collection dates back to original purchases from the 60's through the 80's and more than satisfies me. I rarely buy records now and I've never bought a record online, however I just bookmarked your website and intend to browse it with the intention of supporting your efforts. Thanks for doing what you do.

[@NTXVinyl]

Wow. Really appreciate the kind words. Cheers!

[@chnlnine]

My dad always used to say, "help, don't hurt" ... couldn't agree more about you touching on that very notion. Educate, support, and guide. Love this video!

[@stevebird9510]

One thing that happens to me fairly often is I'll be searching for months to find a peticilar record and then once I find it I start seeing them everywhere..

[@tonysmith5878]

MY ADVICE....BUY WHAT U LOVE TO HEAR NO MATTER WHAT SHAPE IT'S IN. IF IT DOESN'T SKIP LIKE HELL BUY IT! AND BUY WHAT LOOKS INTERESTING EVEN IF IT'S NOT WORTH A FUCKIN' DIME...IF U LOVE IT CAN'T NO ONE TELL U DIFFERENT!!!!!!! NO SNOBS ALLOWED YA HEARD!

[@saskman1950]

I was at a music store a few months back and the young store clerk asked, "Why do you old people (I'm 72) care so much about vinyl? I replied, "I like having to get up from my chair to change the record every 15-20 minutes. I don't care if I can't carry it in my pocket, I have a 5th gen Ipod for that. I love the sound of vinyl, the occasional click is fine by me. Sure my stuff wears out, as it turns out I'm wearing out". I'm non apologetic, as I told my wife when she asked why I bother with the medium, "I love what I love and am not ashamed of it". I don't try to sell anyone on vinyl and I"ve never considered myself a snob...just an average guy.

[@NTXVinyl]

Amen Stew. Love that point of view.

[@elmoredneal5382]

I can't say I'm guilty of any of those things 🤷‍♂️ As far as cheaper stereo equipment, I just scroll past unless they are specifically asking about the equipment (Hey guys! I'm thinking of buying this Crosley record player from Walmart. Is it any good?) My biggest pet peeve is people who crap on others regarding exactly where they purchased their records. People who purchase records from Walmart and Amazon seem to be the biggest targets for trolls. Yes! In an ideal world, everybody would purchase their records from local independent record stores, but that isn't always possible. Some people aren't lucky enough to have easy access to an independent record store. Sometimes it's a matter of convenience. Sometimes it's a matter of price... But it really doesn't matter where you buy your records as long as you're buying them. And it's not like Walmart records are of any lesser quality than the ones available at independent record stores. Walmart does not have their own record pressing plant. I don't remember people making such a big deal about where other people purchased their records back in the 1970s or 1980s or even the 1990s. Nobody really cared if someone else bought records from K-Mart or Sears or Zellers or wherever they got them.

[@donmoles1675]

Well said. My only comment is I hate calling this a hobby or collecting. I love music and grew up listening to records then some tapes (short lived) and later CDs. I mainly listen to vinyl or stream in the car. I still have my CDs and will die before I get rid of them. I do pay attention to the mastering and the sound from that. It does matter.✌️👍

[@NTXVinyl]

100%

[@JoseRodriguez-mo4jw]

I agree. IMO having/buying records is not a hobby. Back in the day that was the format I had available. I bought the records because I wanted the music not because it was a record and I wanted to collect it. I have more that 50 shirts, is that a hobby? Lol.

[@lincoslam1306]

@@JoseRodriguez-mo4jw Agreed. 50+ years ago that is the format I had to work with as a music enthusiast. I went slowly to CD as the 80's came to an end, mainly because the vinyl record became difficult to find in new releases.

[@OwlsRNotWhatTheySeem]

Agreed

[@williamstander4877]

Your video is right on. I have been collecting since I was 17 I am now 74. Snobs suck. A good system is one that sounds good to you. Some records may have pops and noise but to me that is nostalgia, yeah I love a clean copy but I love all records. Snobs also degrade your choice of music. I love Mozart as well as the Who or the Stones. Wake up and get a life you snobs. Enjoy the hobby.

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks for watching William!

[@georgeanastasopoulos5865]

Well said, William, I agree. Thumbs up. I'm going to post this thing about pops, and clicks on the Internet again! Snap, Crackle, and Pop, can be caused by Static Electricity! It is Static Electricity especially during the Winter Season that can also cause noise from a vinyl record! I grew up in the 1960s to the nineteen eighties; my favourite eras of rock, pop, and a bit of rhythm and blues. My favourite music goes to the end of the 1980s, early nineteen nineties. Although I did not get back into listening from records until the late 1980s, and a couple of years afterward, I recently became aware about static electricity that can cause noise more than a couple of years ago. Static electricity is more prevalent during the winter months. I am aware that you may know about this phenomenon, and problem about most records, William. However, there are a lot of complaints about noises about the playback of a record, but as I said above it could also be static on the record. You can have a completely clean record, without any scratches, but it could be static electricity that can cause noise! Apparently younger, and maybe older vinyl music listeners are either ignorant, intolerant, a bit lazy, or are real misers; or all of the above things. Those are the audio aficionados who are complaining! Such a listener from playing back a record won't get themselves a device that can remove, or at least greatly reduce the amount of static on a record.🔉 🎼🎵

[@chopayrussell9660]

Rock me Amadeus Roll over Beethoven

[@DarrellS54]

My pet peeve is when somebody calls a $300.00 turntable " a starter". That`s like finger nails on a chalkboard to me.

[@NTXVinyl]

Agreed!

[@vintagevinylvets1187]

Right?! Couldn’t agree more. If you’re like us, you’re “not mad at your money,” LOL!🎧😂

[@slimfishguttz5688]

$300 isn’t very much, any more. There are “starter” tables, aren’t there? What would you consider a median price for such a table?

[@DarrellS54]

@@slimfishguttz5688 to some on a budget, 300 is still pretty high.

[@radiotubes]

Oh yes its ridiculous. I've seen good used technics for $125 perform very well

[@j.f.johnson7843]

My pet peeve, younger record store clerks who are unfriendly because of my age (65)and what I’m buying. I am willing to have a conversation about music with anyone. And guess what, I have the disposable income to buy the records I want. It’s disheartening to watch a clerk talk with a younger shopper and barely give me the time of day. And if you work in a record store you need to learn about other genres than just the one you prefer.

[@paint1955]

I’m 66, they show me respect, they know I have money!

[@musingsandmusic]

I must say, often your statement rings some truth...sadly so!

[@farrellmcnulty909]

I'll be 59 next month and I started to see record-store-snot when I was 30...yes that's right - THIRTY! I'd say your best bet is to turn the tables. I got sick of peoples' attitudes so I developed one of my own.

[@georgeanastasopoulos5865]

Well said, J.F.

[@latheofheaven]

Absolutely agree! There were a couple of long standing used record stores in San Diego that I simply stopped going to primarily due to the young, 'Hipster', and extremely unfriendly, snotty attitudes of the ones who were working there (the inventory had gone down quite a bit too...) There is a nice used record store closer to me (about 7 miles or so) where the same thing is true of the younger ones working there. I mean, I don't bloody expect them to welcome me with open arms (besides, who the hell knows *WHERE* those arms have been! 😲) but, just from a frigg'n business aspect, do you think it would kill them just to be at least superficially friendly...? I just try not to let it bother me. What was really nice was that just this one day when I went in there, there was this really young guy who normally wasn't there. But, what a difference in attitude. He easily conversed and offered suggestions and his opinions when asked. It make the whole visit SO damn much more enjoyable. I told him that too and how his nice attitude was in EXTREME contrast to the others who worked there. Sadly, he was just filling in for someone and doesn't regularly work there. Oh well... They still have GREAT records there though, as I THINK I may have mentioned either in this thread or one of NXT's others 😊

[@PiecesofVinyl]

I love your positive attitude. It is what has brought me back to your channel over and over. Love the channel.

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks so much!

[@mrhoffame]

Plain and simple....be more excited about VINYL, MUSIC, and MORE PEOPLE LOVING MUSIC than a fan of YOURSELF....and you probably won't be a snob!!!

[@NTXVinyl]

AMEN

[@justinforrest1613]

I only buy rare first pressings and melt them down to repress them as Taylor Swift albums 🤣

[@darrens7040]

Great returns on her latest lol

[@dimebagdave77]

That was YOU! 😂 unforgivable...

[@stevebird9510]

Shouldn't you be using VIRGIN Vynil ?....lol

[@briansandjones]

Right On! :)

[@chopayrussell9660]

@@stevebird9510 yeah right "virgin"...love it

[@timolebeck6405]

Something I learned about records this year: black vinyl IS colored vinyl. Because the raw material is colorless. So saying „colored vinyl sounds inferior to black vinyl, because it’s colored“ doesn’t make sense^^ I just enjoy „colored“ vinyl, maybe with nice splatter, a bit more, just because of the aesthetics and I always try to get a nice colored limited edition of new releases.

[@markmorrow3250]

This is my understanding as well. The one thing that I read that could hold some water is that the additives for the different colors can change the properties of the record and could impact the sound in some way. But this could be from the land where conspiracy theories live as well. Just because it sounds possible doesn’t make it true.

[@NTXVinyl]

This is correct, but totally varies from title to title.

[@richard8417]

Black and white aren't colours. Just saying 🙂

[@briansandjones]

OK you enjoy your inferior black colored records, when you become a serious collector you should get the clear versions... :-)

[@fts81]

I have my records since the 80s, til this day, never gave up on vinyl and now I’m thrilled to see the widespread interest on it again. However’ a big difference from the early days: few people talk about passionately about the bands or music. Only gear and pressings. Unlike this channel and only other few, most of the “audiophiles” out there seem to know very little about music itself, and still feel the right to criticize others…. Great video!

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks Felipe! Really appreciate the comment. All about the music for me, all the rest is icing on the cake. Cheers!

[@fts81]

@@NTXVinyl and trust me, growing up buying pressings in Brazil was not the highest standards, but it was so much fun……

[@radiotubes]

Great point.

[@jhutt8002]

Good point. Music you play definitely matters. Ramones has never sounded as good as in my -89 Hilux cassette player. That honky rawness works perfectly for the music.

[@ScreamingIntoTheOvoid]

I feel like a fair number of record stores don't know how to handle records. They look at me like I don't belong (which sounds like a "me" issue), but I'm not the one putting sticky bloody price tags on every single damn cover, packing them in like sardines, and... I need to go take my blood pressure medication.

[@NTXVinyl]

Oh man...I hear that. Frustrating for sure.

[@briankellogg2751]

Another great video G.I. - Thanks for all you do. One comment that some snobs use is about cleaning, the only way is a wet-vac system.... Not True of course. About 4 years ago now, I did buy an Okki Nokki system and it's taken all this time to go through my collection (about 4,000 pieces). Some may find it laughable but I feel that I've bonded more with my collection by cleaning, inspecting, and re-sleeving each and every one. Even putting a little sticker on the plastic sleeve with the date of cleaning on them. If you can't enjoy collecting and encourage others then just keep quiet. Cheers from Central California!

[@radiotubes]

Oh yes so true.oh only the fancy sonic cleaning is the best .uugh

[@dreamakuma]

I'm early in the music collecting hobby. My system has been insulted I've been bashed for where I buy my records I've been bashed for what albums I've bought I've been insulted for what formats I collect(I do vinyl, cassette and CD) If it wasn't for my own stubbornness and the fact I'm enjoying this in solitude, I'd be out of this hobby fairly quick. As for record store day, It's cool it exists, but I hate crowds so I end up not going.

[@NTXVinyl]

Hang in there!

[@sanderbruijne767]

Great video. What a breath of fresh air from the videos trying to tell me I can’t enjoy Miles Davis without thousand dollar speaker cables. I used to listen to my uncle’s jazz collection in my teens (I’m from ‘63) and discovered pre Elvis Rock’n Roll a few years later. My first record player was cheap, probably with a set needle pressure of to much and with matching cheap speakers. But I played those records daily and really enjoyed the music. Seven years ago I rediscovered the vinyl records I inherited from my uncle and my owns rock ‘n roll records. I bought a vintage Pioneer record player/amplifier combination and some reasonable quality compact speakers. Nothing fancy, but with a reasonable cartridge and new needle. Now I enjoy a record a day after work and it takes me right back to many good memories. I’m slowly expanding my collection with Jazz, swing and some more modern stuff without any strategy other than the pure joy of feeling the music. Thank you for putting the vinyl listeners personal enjoyment back where it belongs: In the center, regardless of budget, time or space.

[@NTXVinyl]

Really appreciate the comment! And thanks so much for watching.

[@therealcyberius]

Completely agree with all of these! What's funny is I just posted about this kind of thing on r/vinyl on Reddit about what is vinyl so angry Anonymity is the worst culprit for this type of behavior. I guarantee that if people had to publish their ID online in order to post we would get a lot less of this behavior. People are extremely brave and confrontational when there are no consequences.

[@memyselfmyvinyl894]

I've seen all of them through social media. KZbin and forums mainly. I agree most of the positives outweigh the negative.

[@NTXVinyl]

Thank goodness!

[@nikosl8838]

Great video as always! People who are snobs do not enjoy the whole thing of collecting! They must be stressed and nervous always trying to be at the top😂😂

[@NTXVinyl]

So true!

[@backrowbrighton]

I very much agree with you.

[@ml-oz5kd]

Well done and thanks for calling out the obnoxious behavior and irritating BS in the vinyl community.

[@NTXVinyl]

My pleasure! 😄

[@mattydread66]

I have plenty of LPs that many would consider common or not valuable. They are very important to me because of the memories they represent. I inherited a ton of Ink Spots and Louis Prima records from my late father that we used to listen to together for hours. No one else would probably care about those but to me they are some of the most valuable in my collection. Please don’t judge somebody by the records they collect!

[@marciap-vc]

Louis Prima F@*KING ROCKS! If people don't like Louis Prima, it's because they don't like joy.

[@NTXVinyl]

Nailed it. True treasures.

[@vinylgroovers]

good points! I will say on RSD, I feel they are trying to put the best stuff out. I think some of the critiques are legit on some of the more niche items like picture disc, mini vinyls and other trinkets are becoming too prevalent. But still overall I enjoy RSD. Nice video!

[@mileshigh1321]

You brought up some good examples of the vinyl snobs! I live in a small town in Nova Scotia, about 2 hrs drive from the nearest city. We have small great record store, that also refurbishes older turntables and amps etc! Thankfully there is also a Facebook page for record collectors in the region and members are very helpful and sharing which is the best part of the vinyl community!

[@NTXVinyl]

Great to hear!

[@dawnpatrol700]

I'm so old, I bought Rumours new in 78 lol. Although radio wore it out a bit, I still remember it being one of the reasons I transitioned from " casual music guy" to " record collector". I never frown on those oldies. Albums like those are the reason I started to buy full albums, as opposed to just 45s, like when I was younger

[@NTXVinyl]

Love to hear it! Rumours will NEVER not be a fantastic listen

[@PieterKleij]

Great video ! I get slightly mad when all the 'famous' audiophiles knock down the Jimmy Page reissues. The top one claims that Bonham would turn in his grave when he would hear them, but also claims that Stairway was written in 1974. They all parrotting each other. And suddenly are not interested in bonus discs and even live shows added.

[@De_La_Soto]

Honestly don’t understand the snobbery behind this. I have both early pressings and the new reissues of their albums and to most ears you’re not really going to find a big enough difference to “choose sides”

[@MJEvermore853]

Pieter..... You must took the words right out of my mouth! 👍 You know what's so funny about this? When Page's reissues first came out, all the music forum regulars were really happy over how wonderful they sounded. Everyone was giving the reissues complimentary reviews. You can still read these comments on the Steve Hoffman forum and in other forums if you dig back in time a little. Now fast forward about 5 years or so later, when most of these same people came to realize that the reissues MIGHT have been remastered DIGITALLY, they were raging about how badly the records sounded and insulting Page left and right. A 180-degree turnaround. I want to slap all these snobs upside the head for being so stupidly hypocritical. I've been a mega Zep fan for 40 years and have several different copies of the UK originals and older LZ record pressings that I've been listening to for decades... When I listened to these reissues, I was hearing the finer details in the music that I've never even heard before. I was smiling from ear to ear. I was, and still am, very impressed with Page's remasters. The sound clarity and instrument separation is excellent. There is not a single turd in the whole bunch. I see these same fools all over the internet saying the most disgraceful things about the reissues and about Page himself. It's disgusting. The overly exaggerated way they rant about them makes me wonder if they'd just crawled out of a padded cell. It's that bad! What a farce it has become. And 'Stairway To Heaven' came out in '74, huh. The doofus is 3 years off.

[@jmfloyd23]

I appreciate you making this video. I couldn’t agree more, social media is brutal within the vinyl community. I offer tips to the “newbies” if I see they have no clue about vinyl pressings. If I see someone considering a crosley I do my best to keep my mouth shut…sometimes.

[@NTXVinyl]

I feel ya.

[@LordDalston]

Am I being a snob when I get incandescent with rage if anyone says the word 'vinyls' anywhere in my vacinity, I wonder? GI, greetings from central London, England, and I greatly enjoyed the video, you talk a lot of good sense!

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks Adrian! Oh boy....didn't even want to open the "vinyls" can of worms. Maybe another video. I personally don't care. Call 'em whatever you want, just enjoy the music! Cheers!

[@QoraxAudio]

I install vinyls on my floor. Lol.

[@radiotubes]

I have a tuff time hearing that. Just like chips.they are potato chips .I guess cause most new records today are made of vinyl. We don't call books paper or letters paper

[@chopayrussell9660]

Yes, vinyl is a fabric or a floor covering.

[@marcbegine]

The natural colour of vinyl is transparent…

[@jodygoeler586]

Great lessons for life in general. I must be doing a good job navigating to avoid these levels of snobbery. I continue to view sites that offer valuable information and insights into gear and pressings. As I do with you, I appreciate their generosity, knowledge, and enthusiasm. What a great hobby!!! 50 years in!

[@NTXVinyl]

So awesome to hear!

[@alli999]

So true, those snobs really sometimes cool down the passion. Be kind to people! So basic. Thank you for pointing them out. 👍

[@mattlupu152]

These are very good examples. What bugs me is their post are always degrading and confrontational. They come across as know it alls and you can't have a discussing with them because even if they are wrong they will not admit it. Sometimes people have to realize that everyone even them were new to the hobby and it took years to get the knowledge so why should anyone else be any different.

[@NTXVinyl]

Amen! We all start somewhere

[@radiotubes]

Oh yes I've had guys showing off on my post. With all kinds of fancy information but I love to learn

[@_ratherBursadboi]

I have one. You might be a vinyl record snob if you get angry when I call vinyls “vynals”

[@MJEvermore853]

Well, I guess that makes me a snob then! I really don't do any of the things that snobs tend to do though ( and there are many things!) But that is the one and only thing that annoys the hell out of me. "Vinyls" sounds like baby talk or something a little toddler might say. Lol I don't care if newbies say it. But it's annoying when everyone else says it!

[@danny1959]

I'm with you. Why should anyone care what someone else does with their own property?

[@NTXVinyl]

Yes! Right?!?

[@LifelongMusicJunkie]

I enjoyed this video! The more people who get involved will only help the vinyl industry as a whole. In several cities, HiFi shops have disappeared and so have record stores. The more demand, will create more printing presses, and less delays overall. We have to support everyone who loves vinyl, and stick together! But....social media is not the best place for avoiding negativity!

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks Dean!

[@anthonygriffin3147]

Im 53 lost a lot of vinyl over the years this is a great KZbin vid bin collecting CDs getting back into vinyl try and get back some of the 80s i listen to im just buying wot i will listen to love this vid im in Manchester north west England well sead thumbs up rkid

[@mymixture965]

I don't like RSD, but that's just me, I would never talk down on it. The hobby is so big and has so many aspects, pick what you like and respect others who made different choices, there is no absolute truth. To me that is the fun. To see so many ways to get in the hobby. What a great hobby that offers so much, there's something for everybody.

[@NTXVinyl]

Well said!

[@mrhoffame]

Fact of the matter is many vinyl snobs are people with little to no social skills in the first place. They have been sheltered at home fine tuning their $60,000 system and scouting flee markets ALONE for the past 20 years lol. In all seriousness... with so many people I meet at the shop you just see that they have NO CLUE how to have productive, respectful conversation. They just want to vomit knowledge they feel they have and shame those they feel don't have it.

[@Rockstaralan]

Holy SMOKES! I must say that, as a lifelong vinyl hound who's collected, listened to and enjoyed them one way or the other since age 4, I can absolutely relate to this video on many levels!

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks for watching Alan!

[@iratozer9622]

Hi again. To me, it's is all about the music. I have some records that are so old and worn they sound terrible, but I just love them. Sure they probably aren't worth 2 cents, but it doesn't matter to me. Something about the actual music moves me. Unfortunaly, you will find snobs in every field.

[@paulmcloughlin9913]

I'm a record collector an I'm very happy to say that I agree with everything that your saying an that I'm very much not a vinyl snob

[@paint1955]

I love reissues, with some bands(Who/Airplane) that’s what I specifically collect, if you have a clean copy of After Bathing At Baxter’s with “Best Buy Series” on the cover, we could do some trading!

[@SONIC-BOOM-TV]

I listen to music.

[@scottuber5636]

Awesome video, sir. All very good points.

[@brandonmcdonald2868]

I can educate about the danger of crosbly and I will

[@NTXVinyl]

🤣

[@dawnpatrol700]

I'm an orig press guy, but realize some reissues can sound better. I always like to encourage new collectors, reissues can start a collection. Digital vs analog - I'd rather it was analog, but in lieu of not having it at all, digital sourced works. Record Store Day is the best thing that happened to vinyl and indie stores in general. Back circa 2003, indie stores were dying, because CDs were on the way out and the 12 people who bought vinyl in those days weren't keeping their doors open. Can you imagine telling a 2003 store owner there would one day be a day people will wait in lines for 6 hours to buy a new vinyl? They would have said you're nuts.

[@NTXVinyl]

Could not agree more across the board!

[@Aprilseahorse]

My gripe..... I am new to Discogs, but I am 55 and still collect LPs. I am not new to technology either, just new to Discogs. I only have 5 stars and do not sell, I have made over 75 purchases in 2 months, and only 5 sellers have left feedback. 4 sellers even made comments about my 5 stars! 1 was a seller that sent absolute garbage to me, 2, I believe, were being snobs but 2 I think were trying to be supportive. I will not go on the blogs, but I have contributed lots of photos and 4 never listened records. I am to the piont were I may just only use it for my lists and screw the rest......... If I wanted to be treated that way, I would go back to Facebook...... LoL!

[@MJEvermore853]

I'm sorry to say this, but I haven't had the best of luck with Discogs and I shop there often. The sellers don't leave feedback for one thing, and my worst pet peave... They take my money and then after no communication of any sort, fail to contact them to ask why my record hasn't been shipped out for over 2 weeks. I've even had to get Discogs involved to get some of the sellers to finally communicate. One last thing, about a third of my Discogs buys have been quite overrated....lots of audible and feelable scratches after buying LP'S that were listed as NM. It's been quite a bummer lately. I've honestly had better luck and treatment on eBay.

[@jasonarsenault3791]

Right on. Very cool opening sequence. Great topic. Ha! Some super good points that I hope many people hear haha.

[@NTXVinyl]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ClawatchLobstah]

Great discussion NTX! Just like music has no rules , there are no rules for collecting music.

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks Johnny!

[@p4442]

i think a big thing too is people who rag on (normally new) collectors who mainly buy modern albums. like my first record was taylor swifts red back in about 2011 flash forward to now & i have hundreds of records from all different decades & all different genres. even on record store day i heard people making fun of the fact that alot of younger people were buying the lakes. whatever keeps people excited about records is what’s important imo

[@NTXVinyl]

totally agree. Buy what you love to listen to, period.

[@iratozer9622]

The reason records will be around forever, is because it's just like fine art.

[@SimbianMinistry]

Happens in every hobby sadly - I have a fair few hobbies... The 'gear-snobs' and the 'trad-snobs' are the worst IMHO

[@stephenbarrow3352]

As long as it sounds good I'm not bothered if it's digital or analog. As the late great Tommy Vance said "It's the music that matters".

[@NTXVinyl]

Same here!

[@britpopbuzz8564]

This is a great video I really enjoyed it. Like you said several times you see some of them comments in many hobbies. As a CD collector I see it.

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks for watching!

[@pepeeze]

I really like your attitude. For the love of music. Stay positive!

[@NTXVinyl]

Thank you! Will do!

[@richmoreno9938]

I refrain from commenting, but I admit that I cringe a little when I see people buying LOTS of records but still playing them on a Crosley portable turntable. It’s only because the listening experience can be so much MORE with even a halfway decent set-up. Just a single turntable, receiver and speakers. And if you have money to buy $20-$25 dollar records, you could potentially be saving some of that to buy yourself a set up that will bring you a more enjoyable experience when spinning your records. It really is worth it. I mean that as an encouraging opinion.

[@NTXVinyl]

I totally agree! See it too often, and the reality is many people just don't understand the difference between a $50-100 suitcase player and a $300-500 "system". It's night and day.

[@lincoslam1306]

@@NTXVinyl I suspect these entry level suitcase players are impulse buys from people that want to be a part of the "vinyl scene" but eventually drop off the radar. That's fine, I don't see any purpose in knocking someone else's stuff. I would rather see someone buy some low end player than invest thousands and find out they didn't like it after all and move on. Yeah I get the "if they got a good set up they would truly get the full experience" Well sometimes it really is just being trendy and nothing more. New VW Beetle anyone?

[@QoraxAudio]

I'm more or less the opposite... my system is more expensive than the value of my records. I often get criticized because of that. In the end it's just a matter of perspective - quantity over quality or quality over quantity. I found that there are various kinds of subgroups within the record community. Some love to collect records for the sake of collecting records... as a tribute to their favorite bands. Others buy records for the sake of listening them over and over and over... looking to retrieve more and more detail from them by changing, tuning and upgrading their HiFi gear.

[@between2guitars331]

Great video! Like you, I try to be positive on my channel as well! For me, it makes no difference HOW you listen, it’s THAT you listen! If you play guitar, play what speaks to you! If it’s a 200 Harley Benton or a Crosley system then rock on!

[@NTXVinyl]

Right on man!

[@coolmickey68]

lets see....should I pay $500 - $1000 for an original Blue note, which has been played to death or buy Tone Poet/Classic reissues and get to build a fantastic collection?

[@NTXVinyl]

I feel ya

[@MJEvermore853]

RIGHT?!!

[@Dibbs6]

I can't talk much crap because I started out listening and collecting reissues and digitally sourced vinyl. When I first got into the hobby I was clueless and had little education but as I grew I learned. Now I've been collecting for over 30 years. I like to encourage young people or new ones to get into this hobby. This hobby is a lot of fun. I agree that we should not talk down and ridicule others for collecting vinyl. Each and every one of us are different in what we collect. Long Live vinyl!!

[@NTXVinyl]

Yes!!! Love hearing it.

[@motojake65]

Awesome video!!...love the new intro!

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks so much! We do too.

[@davidbeeson9408]

Two of my best sounding records are coloured vinyl. Meat Puppets - No strings attached & Pink Floyd - Division bell. 👌

[@gregtapevideo1464]

I admit I am the record handling snob. But on the other side of that I have been chastised for the way I clean my records.

[@zvonimirkomar2309]

Regarding people ruining their records with bad turntables - this can often be true, but I agree completely - educate people, don't look down upon them. If you have a TT that doesn't have a tonearm that can be really set up properly (proper vertical tracking force via a counterweight and not a spring), that can be aligned with some proper geometry and a reasonable cartridge in good shape - yeah, you can destroy your stuff. But like you've said - explain it to people and educate them. And a proper turntable doesn't have to cost much - entry level fluance, u-turn, entry models from rega and pro-ject, older DD tables that have reasonable tonearms in good shape - all good. Regarding point 2 - that everything digitally sourced is crap, that's some of the BS I hate the most. Most of the time, the source is high resolution digital - not redbook. Secondly, proper vinyl releases sourced from digital have specific vinyl mastering - so there's already two big reasons why the sound can be great if everything is done properly, even if it's done from digital. Listen to Pink Floyd reissues or any of the King Crimson or Jethro Tull Steven Wilson remixes/remasters - all digital, all great. Tons of newer independent releases made from digital source that sound stunning. So yeah - crap argument from people that I believe also don't have much experience with what they're talking about.

[@NTXVinyl]

Agreed across the board! Thanks for watching!

[@MJEvermore853]

Totally agree!!

[@mario312]

i have one simple rule, if it makes you happy that’s all that matters

[@henrys3629]

Everybody has got to start somewhere. These young kids grabbing Elton John and Billy Joel that seasoned collectors will not touch with a 10 ft pole. That was me in the 90's. Buying records people "already had". I have a Sony PS-T15 turntable I got in college. Not sorry it's not Audio Technica. I treat every day collecting like it's my 1st day. Excited what I can discover.

[@patricksullivan9340]

Great segment. Keep up the good work!

[@NTXVinyl]

Will do!

[@mr.chrissanchez6859]

My biggest issue is... i find limited edition or special edition records and they are expensive and there's tons. I feel like in many years they'll be worth so much.

[@EzaVinylAddict]

Great video and I was one the early VC members and I posted videos. The nagging snobs discouraged me from being associated with the community and I took down all my vids. The negativity and the complaining was really annoying. Another one of my pet peeves is women in the VC that because they flash a bit of cleavage that they are entitled to getting free records sent to them. Why? The whole VCLT thing another major pet peeve.

[@NTXVinyl]

Interesting

[@FendersRule]

Your comment about common albums are a perfect example of someone who I know that I don't talk with anymore. It even went as far to the "music you buy are cheap" generalizations. He's a snob in some of the opposite ways you're saying as he only focuses on new "limited" releases and could care less about vintage presses.

[@NTXVinyl]

Yeah that stuff blows my mind, but I’m seeing it more and more. It’s simply a new type of collector. The hobby is evolving a lot. And fast.

[@markmorrow3250]

Very nicely done! As you stated, I see this kind of thing in any hobby that I am active in. I am sure that you can find it everywhere, but it seems to be more of a problem here in the U.S. for example I play acoustic guitar, and am on the U.S. and Canadian Taylor forum, and the Canadian forum is a nicer place to go because of the same kinds of things that you listed in this video being more prevalent on the U.S form.

[@NTXVinyl]

Very interesting! And I don't doubt it one bit.

[@briansandjones]

well Canadian's have always been a nicer people :-)

[@dimebagdave77]

Just buy what you like and keep moving.listen,enjoy and keep learning.there are assholes in every bunch, but they can only get you if you care what they think👍

[@NTXVinyl]

Could not agree more.

[@latheofheaven]

Very good issues mate, nicely done! 👍 I'm not a Snob and I DO favour analog sources, BUT... I also have a ton of MOV pressings from Holland where probably most of them if not all are digitally sourced, and for the most part they honestly sound very, very good on my system. One thing... You mention not to get on people in general about how they handle their records, because like you say they may simply be unaware of that. BUT... and it is a *VERY BIG BUTT!* People like you, record store owners, and people who should *DAMN* well know better, then YES! Ones who are out there with record stores or are considered 'Authorities' on the subject should ABSOLUTELY be called on it if in their videos they reach in and grab EVEN the outer 1/4" of the vinyl between their thumb and forefinger. An absolute NO NO!!!

[@NTXVinyl]

I don't agree. Touching the outer edge (dead wax) of a vinyl record in order to properly get it in your hand while not touching the grooves isn't hurting anything. I've been doing it this way for 25 years and my records have zero issues and I've survived as well. People are too "touchy" on this subject. See what I did there? 🤣

[@latheofheaven]

@@NTXVinyl Yes... reaching INSIDE the sleeve and putting the tips of your fingers on the center label and lightly grasping the outer EDGE with your thumb pointing straight up at right angles to the vinyl, then YES that is the correct way. There is NO proper way to 'grab' or squeeze your finger and thumb like a 'pincer on the outer grooves of the record without leaving oil or prints or who knows what across a good 1/4 - 1/2 inch of the outer vinyl. It just is not possible to 'grab' the record that way without leaving something. You might as well reach into the sleeve and bring it out properly (again, this is *NOT* to ridicule newbies or people who clearly *DO NOT KNOW* any better, which was your precise point, and I FULLY agree with you) YOU sir, however, know better... 😊 I've been collecting vinyl for over 40 years, and I PROMISE I am not as anal as I'm sounding here. But, just with this ONE and ONLY point, there never, EVER is reason not just to simply reach into the sleeve and do it properly. There is NEVER a reason simply to grab the outer 1/4 to 1/2 inch of the outer vinyl and pull it out. Ever...

[@MJEvermore853]

@@latheofheaven...a few fingerprints won't hurt a thing, especially when they can easily be cleaned off. Some inner sleeves are made so tight ( especially those which have artwork, lyrics, etc) you can't even reach your hand in there to touch the label without tearing the sleeve apart.

[@semperfi-1918]

Love the point of not everyone has a big budget for the equiptment to listen to. I bought my mom a crosley to listen to her 45's and it works for her as well she doesnt have space for it to just be out and for it to be easily put away so the grandkids who are still little cant get to them. For me... dont have a ton of money but bought different types of gear from school record player to the all in one and so on so forth. My newest set up i have on you tube shorts... and it works well for me and the price point i cannot complain.

[@charleigh195]

Nice guy with good advice ,well done young man .

[@NTXVinyl]

Thank you sir!

[@patrick3926]

Love your positive vibe!

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks!

[@NickCameron-ne3nx]

We appreciate the Jeff Foxworthy style presentation you did.

[@NTXVinyl]

I'm not sure if that's a compliment...or not 😂

[@johnlong4923]

I can't help it. I just love this guy.

[@NTXVinyl]

Me?!?!?

[@johnlong4923]

Yep. You're right up there on my YT audio list with Frank Landry and Steve Guttenberg "THE Audiophiliac "

[@bubble-and-scrape]

I agree with all of the statements, but i do hate the record store day events more and more. The queuing is absurt, the prices are insane and the releases are less interesting each year.

[@TheReal1953]

I've been spinning records for over 50yrs. While I can't argue with many of the methods to play back records for their optimum performance, I have to call bull as well on a lot of the landscape. I don't care if it's a reissue or not. The record collecting community is small enough comparatively that if it's a bad remastering, word gets out. Trying to get that orignal first pressing, perfect cover art, imports only etc, etc.....come on. You're spending superfluous $$$ on trying to find the Holy Grail. I don't need my listening experience bolstered by any sort of online community/fraternity, do you? You only get kudos for your Holy Grail records from other nutjobs that are doing the same thing. I've never paid more than $40 for a record and that was to replace something stolen or lost. I probably pay on average $3-$10 on used records......about what I paid for them when they were new. 180 gram reissues become 'used' and they become available for less than they were retail. Try to buy records from people that have decent quality TT's....that's my best advice. Or just buy from used bins cheap, clean them up and see if they play decently. All this false hype around record collecting will just invariably drive up the price of all records across the board. Historically, it's been one of the cheaper hobbies to enjoy if you've always had the equipment anyway. If you can afford it, buy carts that have mico-line styli because they will recover groove information that the old elliptical styli couldn't or have damaged. Digital sourcing is fine....the key is in the sound engineer's mastering techniques. They are the guys that keep the warmth of analog going in the digital realm. Once they figure out what the record buying public wants, they can deliver. Again, it's a small community and what sucks in reissues will be known shortly. And totally agree when someone is saying vinyl is the 'best' format out there for music reproduction, they are just asinine. We all have our preferences....I like tape & vinyl, but streaming can be fantastic along with SACD's too. As humans, when we really enjoy something, we like to share...it's in our DNA. But the downside to that is when you adopt a country club exclusivity attitude towards what you enjoy. The beauty of music reproduction is that you can embrace all the formats, a few of them or just one....it's totally YOUR choice, but enjoy something without being a SNOB!

[@NTXVinyl]

Well said Kevin! Appreciate the comment

[@UncleDansVintageVinyl]

Hey, man. I'm listening to my $2 junk-store copy of "Songs of Hawaii" by the Ray Charles Singers on my 1962-vintage turntable--with what is no doubt a 1962-vintage stylus. Just chillin', ya know . . . Keep up the good work.

[@radiotubes]

Awesome

[@radiotubes]

Amen brother.

[@dougreeder8155]

Good video. Let me try to summarize: 1. Don’t be a jerk 2. Don’t speak in generalities A good follow-up video would be: You might be a record collecting noob if…

[@NTXVinyl]

Thanks! Excellent summary and IDEA!

[@raggeragnar]

Very good video ! All healthy observations and solutions. Say good things about what you like and nothing about the ones you don’t. I got back into vinyl around 2014-15 and have gotten MANY good tips , pointers and advice from advanced collectors online. Now I try to do the same if I am asked.

[@NTXVinyl]

Really appreciate it Roger! Thanks for watching

[@dank.6942]

You hit the target and very well said... the defensive RSD comment missed the mark, in my humble, non-trolling opinion, because as a dealer, you're not objective. There is obviously a growing drumbeat among what I'd consider the most avid, mostly non-snob, vinyl fans that RSD has morphed into something to be avoided. Plenty of folks would love to cruise by and grab something specific, without a 4AM lineup and battle with a flipper for what turns out to be the ONE copy of a crappy version of Pearl Jam Unplugged. I'm the ideal RSD customer and I skipped it entirely this year. The flippers and lines and extreme allocation on RSD are vital to you, (nothing wrong with that) but also, often, it's a bummer to the passionate "regulars" who help you keep the lights on at your retail shops on all the other days that end in 'y'.

[@NTXVinyl]

Actually, I'm not an RSD dealer in any way - as they won't let me into the club. So my perspective is same as yours. I have zero skin in that game. I need to do a video called "Stop Complaining About Vinyl Record Flippers" - it's just a part of it, there will always be a secondary market, RSD or not. Everyone just needs to get over it.

[@ricsithompson6671]

The only entity that is (in my opinion) how bad and out of line prices have become.

[@chrisbarry1014]

Spot on!

[@jaylongino8225]

If it upsets you when vinyl collecting is referred to as a hobby. Lol

[@NTXVinyl]

Yeah I don’t understand that either. Many people seem offended even when I refer to those who listen to vinyl as “collectors”. I don’t see it as a negative label. Same for “hobby”

[@De_La_Soto]

If the record isn’t a first pressing or cut by Kevin Gray or Bernie Grundman from the original tapes, then I’m not buying it. Lol kidding. But seriously, these are the types of things that are the reason prices are as ridiculous as they are. Their moronic snobbery about first/original pressings, analog vs digital, etc is the reason these resellers are having a FIELD day online. Buy and listen to what you like, from wherever the hell you want to buy it from.

[@MJEvermore853]

👍👍👍👍

[@NTXVinyl]

Amen to that Alex!

[@kenjarrell4123]

I'm a member of many record buy/trade/sell groups on Facebook and frequent a lot of the live auction/sale events. I cringe the most when I see sellers use what I feel are below par handling and grading practices. I refrain from judging other collectors on their preferences or practices but do share my opinion if asked. However, I hold sellers to a higher level of reasonability. I won't call them out in public or even privately in most cases but their practices definitely affect my perception of their standards and if I should consider buying from them.

[@NTXVinyl]

All good points Ken. Appreciate you watching as always.

[@jhutt8002]

I make sure to give review to point it out, if grading isn't correct. That's just ripping off buyers, and especially hurts less experienced record buyers. People shouldn't just let that go.

[@QoraxAudio]

Well, selling items with a higher grade than they actually are is just ripping off. Products should match the product description. There's no excuse to consciously overgrade records in order to sell them at higher prices, however I do feel that many sellers just have lower expectations of record quality than I have.

[@jhutt8002]

@@QoraxAudio Yes. Exactly. I do believe most sellers don't intentionally rip people of with them, as there really isn't clear concensus about vinyl grading. Even some reputable record stores use grading, where they grade LP's with audible noise even when music playing as VG. By what logic that could he called "Very Good"? Personally I think sellers should always include their way of grading along with the description, and if they haven't listened the album, tell it clearly it's graded by visual examination.

[@QoraxAudio]

@@jhutt8002 Well, Discogs has actual guidelines for grading records. Sellers are supposed to follow those guidelines. I suspect that it's simply a matter of equipment. That certain sellers use cartridges that are less sensitive to record noise/dirt. Or they use speakers to evaluate the quality instead of headphones.

[@gonzaljevic]

People that trash any new equipment and automatically declare that vintage is way better

[@NTXVinyl]

Agreed. LAME!

[@200crates]

i laughed through half of this , hilarious , i think nearly all these but don't say it , oh and i welcome all new collectors as i sell and trade too

[@davidbeeson9408]

We need the new blood getting into the hobby. Otherwise it will die out when we do. And Rumours is a fantastic album. Wherever you’re at.

[@twiggyzappa]

This should be posted to reddit!

[@NTXVinyl]

Haha! I’ve been advised to stay far away from that place for this reason 😃

[@adambennett1098]

i think the ones who say that reissues are garbage is the fact that they are afraid that there og press is worth less

[@radiotubes]

I just wish I was in a Facebook group that doesn't post mostly prog garage bands I've never heard of and common classic rock. My posts of 50s 60s pop and easy listening gets ignored

[@NTXVinyl]

Joe, I’d like to invite you to our group called NOW SPINNING. All genres, formats, and eras are welcome and it’s full of very respectful, nice people. m.facebook.com/groups/ntxnowspinning

[@ricsithompson6671]

Record Store day really should be more about supporting your favorite brick and mortar stores.

[@NTXVinyl]

100% agree. The focus has drifted from the original goal

[@MJEvermore853]

Ahh...isn't it still?

[@chopayrussell9660]

Digital should go the way of Simmons "drums"...away , far away Sound , a kin to light, is a wave with peaks and valleys, digital cuts off the highs and lows, causing a homogeneous effect. I'm a snob in part, oh well, especially with digital and the use of "vinyl(s)". Other then that, I don't care, none of my business