'Number 9' Dominates Doncaster | LNER 60009 'The Talisman' | 15.09.2018

[@mikegrace8362]

Ace coverage of this workaday A4 lomotive & train of carriages. Lovely compilation. Thank you.

[@dcbain]

Excellent! Nice footage and lots of chime whistles to make the joy complete.

[@clarky2356]

Love that steam pump noise makes it sound like it has a heart beat

[@dalesdiary3751]

I took the boys to Darlington train station to see it steam past and what a sight to behold. We'd seen Mallard previously on the main line a few years ago being pulled by Tornado and had a day out with Bitern at the wensleydale railway but never seen a A4 flat out on the mainline . Least to say we were all impressed and the boys even more so with the crew waving back😉

[@samsmithsonite1595]

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[@jazzman1626]

Fantastic! I miss those corridor coaches so much. The last one I was on was from Glasgow to Oban in the 1980s.

[@biharandorissa]

A pale shadow of its former self Donny,as we called it,was our sometimes weekly trespass,after the plant and sheds,we'd lounge on the platform trolleys watching the procession of steam locomotives,'Streak!' somebody would shout,we'd glance up from our fish paste sandwiches and flask tea to see Miles Beevor or Walter K Whigham thunder through.Playing on the WW2 tanks in the scrapyard overlooking the station limit was also a must,we fought Rommel most weekends...

[@thelastpilot4582]

I used to watch Talisman and others from the allotments at the end of my garden in the late 1940', and 50's I neve thought I would be watching them as restored items. :-)

[@DavidWsTrainVideos]

That thing was flying at Doncaster. Holy crap!!!

[@terrybrining8119]

Saw these two amazing engines on the day cracking and saw them as a kid still think it's amazing the power is raw. Terry @leeds.

[@themodster]

An absolutely brilliant chase Jack! Think the Doncaster shot can be classed as one of the best shots caught of an A4! Well filmed, Thomas

[@JPSteamMedia]

Thank you Thomas, very kind of you. Shot could've been alot better had my pan have followed the loco fully! Jack.

[@samsmithsonite1595]

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[@KenBrownekb71000duke]

Lovely footage there! Esp blasting through Donny at speed with chime whistle wailing, superb and just like the Donny of old. Appreciate the mention of the "Bon Accord" which ran from the late lamented Glasgow Buchanan Street to the Granite city and back. The Caprotti fitted BR Std class 5 made a real name for themselves on the Aberdeen runs and were well liked by the drivers. Thanks for uploading your video and best wishes from Ken.

[@JPSteamMedia]

Thanks very much for your kind comment Ken! Much appreciated. Regards, Jack.

[@davidarf]

JP SteamMedia Excellent film - for me also the Doncaster sequence brings back so many memories of trainspotting on that station in the late 1950s. That chime whistle on approach would trigger the call going down the lads on the platform "Streak!"

[@JPSteamMedia]

Thanks very much David. This is a shot I have wanted for a while, but waited until an A4 was due to pass, whilst booked on the Down Fast without a bowlage risk hoping for a runpast such as this! What i'd give to witness Eastern Pacifics from 60 years ago... All the best. Jack.

[@philraminski2759]

Same run through at Retford but fewer people to witness it. Now I know why, they were all at Donny. That sounded great, thanks buddy.

[@joesweeney19]

Excellent filming there some great shots of her accelerating through Huntingdon and Doncaster, and also leaving York. Union does know how to put on a good show!

[@JPSteamMedia]

Thanks very much. It's been fun chasing her these past few weeks! The sight and sound of her never gets boring! Jack.

[@joesweeney19]

Same here it was good to have her running a lot this year before she goes next year. It was a shame she was been a show pony for had the summer. I’m glad she is been a proper loco, and seeing her on East Coast line just shows what an A4 class can really do. Joe.

[@southwestrailaviationprodu3072]

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[@timothysmith8300]

good old 60009 keeping the king of the railways alive steam that is .

[@greenfingers41]

She was going really well through Doncaster. Great video.

[@JPSteamMedia]

She certainly was! Made the decision to go seeing as she was booked on the DF hoping she would be doing the speed she Did! Thanks very much. Jack.

[@MichaelTaylor-gt2ge]

Must have been around a ton through Donny at least!

[@irelandbloke]

Super shots ! 👍🏻

[@TrainSpotter-rd4hs]

Fantastic shots there jack. Enjoyed the video very much.

[@JPSteamMedia]

Thanks for your feedback Josh, much appreciated. Very much enjoyed your footage too! Jack.

[@southwestrailaviationprodu3072]

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[@anilpunnu3567]

Excellent video. Well maintained machine ✌

[@mariacornwallis1602]

The fenders which covered the wheels were removed during the Second World War and never replaced

[@locomotive6727]

Hi Jack , great compilation well filmed ..Dave

[@brad2799]

Can’t wait to see this beauty visit the Bluebell Railway with Mayflower.

[@JakeBSteam]

Great video of No.9 Jack. Well done :)

[@JPSteamMedia]

Cheers Jake. Jack.

[@samsmithsonite1595]

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[@daystatesniper01]

The thing i LOVE abou the Union ,is that she has always appeared in workaday condition ,not from a science lab

[@davidgriffiths7215]

Totally agree. She must be one of the hardest working preserved locos in the country and looks it, not like something that's on day release from a museum.

[@philraminski2759]

Spoke to the crew at 36E when it ran back south on Monday. They love the engine and also dislike the super shiny conditions they are usually in. Proper job engine that went through 36e just as at Donny; fast, furious and whistle open. Bloody great.

[@984francis]

David Griffiths I don't know. Clan Line works very hard and is always pristine. I like it all but I don't see why pristine is a problem. I think it's glorious.

[@davebarclay4429]

@@984francis I didn't say "pristine is a problem". It isn't.

[@samsmithsonite1595]

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[@PhilPage227]

Superb video.

[@JVTRAINS]

Lovely shots of union :) was a pleasure to meet u at Peterborough :)

[@JPSteamMedia]

Cheers Josh! Nice to meet you too. Jack.

[@manohar2864]

Beautiful

[@brpannier6828]

Great vid by the way.

[@jimbrown2611]

Superb and thankyou Sir

[@Locos-del-oeste]

Exelente video freind !!!👍

[@douglassutherland3573]

Superb a fine engine!

[@alexwright6038]

sounds like she has been fitted with an air pump. I'm sure in original condition it would be a vacuum brake. It would be nice to see the A4 Br gave to the USA running over there. Perhaps Bittern could be used, she has impersonated many of her sisters over the years.

[@1950accordionman]

Yes the unmistakable sound of a Westinghouse pump I thought the British used vacuum brakes more we in Australia use the Westinghouse system

[@davebenjafield7037]

That took me back to Donny in the 60s... "Double peg!!!" "Streeeeeeek!!!!!" "Flyer!!"

[@daveo3743]

I still have fond memories of Donny station in the 60's. The first ever A4 I ever saw was 60020 Guillemot pulling an express of Pullman coaches. The last A4 I ever saw working was Sir Nigel pulling a rake of coal wagons through the centre line, as Deltics were at the platforms with the Pullman coaches in tow, ...a sad day. However in 2005, I was looking around a model shop in Wakefield, and there it was, an Hornby addition of Guillemot. I think you know the rest.

[@timothysmith8300]

now this is what you call a proper train at last.

[@atsfevan0242]

Wasn't it announced that BR Lner 60009 aka Union of South Africa will continue to run an extra year until 2020 instead of 2019 is that true?

[@447CDH]

Well done and no muddy shoes like last December 😉

[@JPSteamMedia]

Thanks very much. A much cleaner chase to say the least! Jack.

[@tyhik9338]

She's a beauty

[@malcolmabram2957]

What do you think? Is the steam whistle to warn people or is it really to say "Yoohoo, look at me!!!"

[@peterquignogs]

Both.

[@ericgriffin6698]

Fantastic,..😜

[@tyhik9338]

I see some folks waving at her crew

[@thomastsangthomas1616]

When Union Of South Africa stops at the station, he only release smoke on his funnel, I guess he was at a thermal efficiency of 18-22%.

[@seven-sixteen802]

หัวรถจักไอน้ำ ที่เยี่ยมที่สุดในโลกที่เคยเห็นมา

[@markwilson4724]

Shame the winter maintenance over ran meaning she wasn't able to go to North York Moors railway earlier on this month.

[@ColinH1973]

What a shame that she'll never be seen again.

[@GNRA1GreatNorthern1470]

god i miss her

[@quintoflyer]

what a lovely engine , no scrap though horse and cart not big enough

[@steamingaroundbritain]

What did you use to film this

[@ts100100]

What’s the chuffing noise when stationary?

[@JPSteamMedia]

The locos air pump for the air brakes. Jack.

[@chrispartlow4533]

That had 2 b going full throttle how fast can that beautiful steam machine go....

[@JPSteamMedia]

Passed through at full regulator. On this occasion, she achieved 70mph through Doncaster. But back in the days of steam, they would regularly do 100mph where times allowed, along with Sister to 60009, 4468 'Mallard' achieving 126mph in 1938. Jack.

[@merlinlandzend698]

@@JPSteamMedia But the ECML is flat and has long stretches for a steam engine to open up. It's a pity the other class 8 pacifics of the LMS and southern region didn't get a go on the ECML. Especially the Duchess with all it's might.

[@BigNate5404]

Why can’t us Americans restore steam locomotives as good as the British

[@laurieharper1526]

You do pretty well yourselves. Did a lovely job on Norfolk and Western 611 and 4014 is coming along nicely.

[@BigNate5404]

I know but I wish that their is more operational steam locomotives like the K4, y6b 2156, the c&o allgenty, and The SP cab forward

[@BigNate5404]

Lucky

[@brad2799]

The Train Otaku Especially considering how some people noticed the importance or worthiness of preserving steam locomotives even before the Bluebell Railway. Some of these examples are like Aerolite, the Stirling Single, Engines of significant importance or fame, etc.

[@984francis]

Keeping lovely old stuff alive is not such a priority in the US that's all And as Laurie Harper points out, the US has done a great job with 611. She comes through my town regularly with about 1500 tons on the hook.

[@davidgriffiths7215]

Anybody know why she was carrying the "Bon Accord" headboard? "Bon Accord" is the city motto of Aberdeen and the train was one of two titled expresses which ran between there and Glasgow. (The other was the "Granite City"). The "Bon Accord" never ran south of Glasgow. Very odd.

[@narrowgauger4229]

I guess they were just paying tribute to the service. A headboard such as The Elizabethan would have been more faithful to what would have run on the ECML

[@roboftherock]

AJP 66151 For a while the A4s played out their days on the 'Bon Accord's route. 60009 could have carried the headboard in service at one time.

[@juleshathaway3894]

A bit of fun from the support coach. ;-)

[@roboftherock]

At 3'40 a typical snapper stepping in front of another photographer. And at York, I wonder how many photographers' set-up shots were ruined by that huge emission of steam. Your photographer got it right by NOT being on the train's platform.

[@anonymike8280]

You can however see how little low end torque the steam engine has. The diesel electric in contrast can produce the full torque the traction motors are capable of even at low speed. At high speed, according to my sources, the steam engine is very efficient though. Whatever the story it is kind of cool to see an operating steam engine. Very few in service in the States although we are capable of keeping them going. But around the world steam engines still play a large role. The versatility of fuels they can operate with, notably wood if necessary in some models, make them a good choice and in backward and remote areas.

[@anonymike8280]

@Captain Dildoface True, the torque should be a function of the steam pressure and the surface area of the piston. I don't have any engineering training and I have to rely on the opinion of sources which to mean seem credible. One quote: "[T}here is a major difference in how power is delivered to the rail between a diesel and steam locomotive. There is also a big difference in the power curves between the two. In the diesel electric application there is actually more start-up torque to get a train moving because the power from the prime mover is delivered to the traction motors in parallel. This supplies them with a lot of amperage, resulting in a lot of torque. Once the train picks up speed the system switches over to supply the current in series which in effect is like upshifting a gear (less torque but more HP). But the faster a diesel electric locomotive goes the less pulling power it has. . . it falls off proportionally pretty much from the moment the train starts rolling (very much unlike a steamer). A steam loco torque varies considerably based on cylinder bore and stroke, driver diameter and steam pressure. Certainly a Big Boy locomotive with massive steam pressure (300 psi) and cylinders has a lot of torque, whereas a Northern with 80-inch drivers doesn't - it's a speed machine. Because steam engines essentially have one "gear" the power band will depend on speed. Steam engines with taller drivers have more difficulty getting a train rolling, but if a steam engine can get the train going there's no looking back. As a steam loco increases speed, so does horsepower, which is the opposite as what happens to a diesel. Steam locos increase HP unit it peaks somewhere around 50-60 mph, then tapers off as speed increases. However the UP #844 with its 80-inch drivers hits its max HP at 90 MPH! One of the more interesting steamer stories of modern times was the load Challenger 3985 pulled in 1990. It hauled a double stack of 147 cars (1. 6 miles long) solo from Cheyenne to N. Platte Nebraska. It was a revenue freight and the Challenger took the place of 3 diesels and had no trouble maintaining 65 MPH." And another, from an indentified article: "A steam engine could go approximately 100 miles without refueling or taking water, while a diesel locomotive could reach as far as 600 miles without servicing. A diesel has a much higher starting tractive effort than any steam locomotive. The diesel has a thermal efficiency greater than three times that of the best steam engine." Turns out, then, that the diesel was much cheaper to run and required less infrastructure in that it required only fuel and could carry its own fuel supply on a much more compact basis. It also produced the tractive force needed to get a heavy train moving. The steam engine was more efficient at road speeds but that was not enough of an advantagte to keep steam alive. In less developed areas steam probably has a point to it because time might be less essential, the steam engine can run on either wood or coal and plenty of low cost labor is available to staff fueling and water stations. Another issue is that steam engines can be maintained with less resort to advanced technology and manufactured components. Skilled craftsmanship is required but not advanced materials and replacement parts.

[@merlinlandzend698]

@Captain Dildoface Full torue but bad adhesion, hence restricted accelleration from a standing start until a higher speed.

[@BIGV710]

headboard said THE BON ACCORD ?

[@paulnash1810]

So sad 60009 will be retired next year, hope it doesn't happen.

[@theextremeanimator4721]

It's just a boiler ticket expiring I hope they do overhaul it for more years of service

[@hyd-vp4jl]

Steam train sound Exellent...

[@carlosricardoruiz159]

hola,en la actualidad,funciona como un tren local ? o tren de turismo.gracias.

[@longbennyred1201]

Es uno de los muchos motores de vapor conservados en Gran Bretaña. Se ejecutan principalmente en líneas de la sociedad de conservación, pero ocasionalmente trenes especiales operan en el sistema de línea principal. Me alegra que te guste!

[@markdavy7733]

5:14 'Did someone book a sauna?`

[@timothysmith8300]

Told you before steam is king steam rules the rails

[@paullubliner6221]

Why "TrainOtaku"??? BECAUSE steam lasted a full decade longer in the U.K. (Aug. 1968), than it did in the U.S. That meant the generation known as the "Baby Boomers" in the U.S. did not "know" steam, whereas in the U.K. that age group did and THEY are the driving force behind the British preservation movement at this time.

[@TrainFan_95]

It looks remarkably dirty for a preserved steam locomotive.

[@philraminski2759]

Working condition, just like it should be.

[@godswill7030]

Almost 90ssssssssss

[@ronaldpollard9098]

hey tosh,it says bon accord here!

[@JPSteamMedia]

A tad off route for the Bon Accord I must say! Still a lovely addition to the loco for this trip. Jack.

[@vicpeters9044]

1970super stox

[@pparker768]

Dirty old things weren't they.

[@MichaelTaylor-gt2ge]

Who cares! It was their era and that's the way it was!

[@thakorbhupatji1003]

भारतीय रेल कितना खतरनाक है रोड पर कोई प्रकार का प्रबंध नहीं है सेफ्टी के लिए

[@GrrMeister]

1:30 *It's a shame that the Westinghouse Pump fitted makes it sound like a 'Continental' loco from 1944.*

[@paullubliner6221]

You mean "Cross-Compound, Air Compressor" and yes I too wish they'd at the least fit a "silencer"!

[@mariacornwallis1602]

Greta Thunberg will have something to say about this.

[@saimahkhalil6185]

A

[@thakorbhupatji1003]

कहां गए पुलिस ने वाले नहीं दिखाई देता है हवा में पोलूशन क्यों कुछ नहीं करते हो क्यों यहां पैसा लेने को नहीं पहुंचते हो कंपनियों में क्यों जाते हो ग्वालियर के वास्ते क्यों महीने का ₹50000 लेते हो

[@duckman5642]

Dogs B*ll*x cheers

[@deathgalaxy5731]

The carbon emission is savage.

[@brpannier6828]

I wish they had a cleaner... People dont pay to sit behide a dust smothered engine.

[@philraminski2759]

That's proper locomotive working condition and it was only rather mucky on the front. The passengers don't give a toss as long as it moves as it did.

[@brpannier6828]

Phil Raminski I understand your point and I am not arguing but some people are paying hundreds for the top first class seats and from a business point of view, a cleaner engine makes the it look more professional. Being a cleaner myself I have experience to say that a grubby engine on the outside usually shows what it is like on the inside... And trust me, I have been there! Plus, come on, it's her last year (ish) in steam! Better to go out looking pretty than grubby!

[@philraminski2759]

Sorry buddy but this is what a main line loco looks like after 150 miles on the ECML. Heritage railway locomotives hardly create any dirt during their work on their railways and the volunteers have plenty of time to clean them every day. Heritage railways like to present their stock as you suggest. Main line steam is a working train covering a load of miles. I doubt if anyone on that train noted that their engine was bit grubby by the time it got to Newcastle however much they had paid.

[@brpannier6828]

Phil Raminski. Fair enough. Suppose we have our opinions.

[@timothysmith8300]

get rid of them pathetic overheads they are nought but a nuisance causing nothing but delays day in /day out scrap the lot of them the emu,s as well.

[@quintoflyer]

plenty of scrap metal there.

[@almostkentish3042]

BRIAN QUINTONFLYER you better pray I don't find you

[@roboftherock]

It is sacrilegious to even have such a thought, never mind putting it in print!

[@koolmckool7039]

You must be fun at parties.

[@williamwoolhouse3702]

Are you from the traveling community ?

[@davidantoniocamposbarros7528]

BRIAN QUINTONFLYER *listen here you little sh-*