The Notorious Question Six (cracked by Induction) - Numberphile

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@numberphile
@numberphile 2 жыл бұрын
This video stands alone but also continues from the previous induction video at kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKrPd614rd-Eb68 Induction bonus video on Numberphile2 at: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hl6xh6iFidiYqq8 More Zvezda on Numberphile: bit.ly/zvezda_videos
@walterkipferl6729
@walterkipferl6729 2 жыл бұрын
I think any video about induction has to be based upon a previous video about induction.
@zmaj12321
@zmaj12321 2 жыл бұрын
@@walterkipferl6729 Except for the base video, of course
@Dae-Ying-Kim12345
@Dae-Ying-Kim12345 2 жыл бұрын
* In the part 4:02, I feel weird : if ( a,b ) = ( 4 , 4 ) then [ a^2+b^2 ] / [ 1+a*b ] = [ 4^2+4^2 ] / [ 1+4*4 ] ........... it is [ 16+16 ] / [ 1+4*4 ] = 32 / 17 totally not perfect square ........... if ( a,b ) = ( 4 , 3 ) then [ a^2+b^2 ] / [ 1+a*b ] = [ 4^2+3^2 ] / [ 1+4*3 ] ...........it is [ 16+9 ] / [ 1+12 ] = 25 / 13 totally not perfect square ........... * what's going on ........... *
@zmaj12321
@zmaj12321 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dae-Ying-Kim12345 This problem is only concerned with pairs (a,b) that yield integer ratios. In other words, you can get non-integers, and you can get perfect squares, but you cannot get integers which are not perfect squares.
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
@@zmaj12321 The base case is Aristotle's definition of induction. Everything else is based on that.
@nburo
@nburo 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched every single Numberphile video. I can confidently say that this is the best video you've made, Brady. Great speaker, great interviewer, one part story, one part theory; very well balanced. Zvezda is amazing; her story is moving and inspiring. I'm a college math teacher so I love your channel, but this video is top notch.
@guidogaggl4020
@guidogaggl4020 2 жыл бұрын
if you like that one i recomend proof of ptolemys theorem. i watch that every 6 month on average :D
@boberickson9887
@boberickson9887 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Zvezda.... bravo.
@hannesnaumann7101
@hannesnaumann7101 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely same.
@Triantalex
@Triantalex 8 ай бұрын
??
@farhannr28
@farhannr28 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine falling asleep in the IMO and still getting a medal
@MrMctastics
@MrMctastics 2 жыл бұрын
badass award
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
Such a power move.
@lgooch
@lgooch Жыл бұрын
A Swiss participant accidentally fell asleep during the exam and he didn’t even finish the problems lol. The proctors asked if he was okay and he said he was thinking really hard.
@ericvilas
@ericvilas 2 жыл бұрын
oh my god at 3:35 in the Terry Tao interview video he talks about "tracking down a Romanian woman who'd solved it cause it was really bugging me" It goes full circle!
@harktischris
@harktischris 2 жыл бұрын
the part at the beginning just talking about the olympiad as a "moment of no return" for her life is a really powerful anecdote, wow!
@MichaelFJ1969
@MichaelFJ1969 2 жыл бұрын
Professor Stankova is an outstanding presenter. Her students are really blessed.
@marcomaiocchi5808
@marcomaiocchi5808 2 жыл бұрын
The best thing of all this is the encounter of Zvedva and Terence.
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian 2 жыл бұрын
The second best thing is Zvedva saying "Australia" and, no other word ever, in an Australian accent.
@oncedidactic
@oncedidactic 2 жыл бұрын
on theme too, the power of induction :D
@TheMrSnuSnu
@TheMrSnuSnu 2 жыл бұрын
in the screenshot of the results you'll see she got P4, P5 AND p6 done with full marks in 1h20, what a flex!
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like a _slightly_ nicer solution would be to use the fact that the pair (a, b) gives the same r as the pair (b, a), which enables you to always rewrite it such that a >= b. This means that you only have to consider 1 quadratic and every step is "reduce a_n, flip a_n and b_n". Slightly more streamlined than having to "choose" which one to reduce first IMO.
@sven179
@sven179 2 жыл бұрын
Neat!
@norich111
@norich111 2 жыл бұрын
Dont you still have to prove that you always hit a zero in the end?
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian 2 жыл бұрын
@@broccoloodle You say "both", but it's just the same equation applied to both variables. And, yes, @norich111, you still have to do that.
@jjukjkjiok7782
@jjukjkjiok7782 2 жыл бұрын
You do have to prove then that after reducing a_n, it is not only less than the original a_n but drops below b_n, hence necessitating the flip
@cmayor7985
@cmayor7985 2 жыл бұрын
the question six ratio is a cyclic function
@rtpoe
@rtpoe 2 жыл бұрын
I'm getting the strong feeling that someone should write a book about Question 6 (and the answer). Start with the history of the International Math Olympiad, then get into how contestants are chosen, who comes up with the questions. And (if possible) who came up with Question 6 - the whole story behind it, and what the organizers expected from the Olympians. THEN get into the solution - complete with the background on quadratic equations and Vieta's Formulas......
@certainlynotthebestpianist5638
@certainlynotthebestpianist5638 2 жыл бұрын
I'm getting a strong feeling, that I'm perfectly sure who should be this someone to write the book. Zvezda, I'll be the first one in the queue for preorders!
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
Why stop at a book? Someone should direct a psychological thriller about a group of mathematicians whose lives are all loosely intertwined due to them all being haunted by the evil of Question Six.
@lgooch
@lgooch Жыл бұрын
@@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 lol
@lgooch
@lgooch Жыл бұрын
There are plenty of hard imo problems, if this should, then all of them should.
@mb59621
@mb59621 6 ай бұрын
Over excited teenagers ... Mehhhh Solve trigonometry identities..
@leroidlaglisse
@leroidlaglisse 2 жыл бұрын
Zvezda is so expressive, passionate and enthusiastic. I'd love to watch a collaboration between her and Cliff Stoll on a numberphile video. I wonder how it would be. Thank you Zvezda, thank you Brandy. ;)
@Whizzer
@Whizzer 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video. I'm not sure if this solution to the problem or the anecdote at the end fascinates me more.
@speedbird8326
@speedbird8326 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Brady and Professor Stankova. The elegance of the proof is beautiful.
@richardbloemenkamp8532
@richardbloemenkamp8532 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice proof and explanation. If I had no clue I would start trying solutions with small numbers and try to see if I could find structure. I can imagine I could find a solution eventually but certainly not in 20 minutes. Looking how Zvezdelina explained it, I now can at least imagine how she could solve this so quickly. Vieta's formulas, induction, root exchange, symmetry, the importance of a factor being allowed to be zero, etc. are really part of her native language and she understand the full impact.
@alizohoorian4804
@alizohoorian4804 2 жыл бұрын
i can not believe this!!!! what a legendary question solved only with basic algebra knowledge. that's why i love mathematics
@alejrandom6592
@alejrandom6592 2 ай бұрын
27:45 "I used induction on the product" "Thnk you!" **runs away** I find this hilarious for some reason 😂
@iainfulton3781
@iainfulton3781 2 жыл бұрын
There's only one negative integer solution to the equation which is -5. The 8 non reducible sets of a and b are (-1,2) (-1,3) (2,-1) (3,-1) (1,-2) (1,-3) (-2,1) and (-3,1) and with these you can Vieta jump to larger absolute values. Like -5(3) - (-1) yields -14,3
@CanariasCanariass
@CanariasCanariass 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing, what a brilliant mind! Thank you for the great video.
@alexsecara903
@alexsecara903 2 жыл бұрын
At the end you can see that 2 of the gold medalists were from Romania and actualy Nicusor Dan won 2 such medals with maximum points in 2 consecutive years ('87 and '88). Nicusor Dan is now the mayor of Bucharest
@NoriMori1992
@NoriMori1992 Жыл бұрын
Always happy to see Zvezda!
@mathismind
@mathismind 2 жыл бұрын
It can also be proved that if (a^2+b^2)/(1+ab)=r, where r is a positive integer, then r=gcd(a,b)^2.
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 2 жыл бұрын
I can see how that might work using Vieta's product formula alongside the reduction procedure, thereby keeping track of the relation between the members of the sequences a_n and b_n.
@jeffkaylin892
@jeffkaylin892 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that proving r is a square was the POINT. I didn't see that point confirmed. Did I miss it in passing?
@robertpearce8394
@robertpearce8394 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffkaylin892 It is mostly over my head but my understanding is that by continually reducing a or b eventually one of them is zero so you end up with r=a^2/1.
@ItachiUchiha-ns1il
@ItachiUchiha-ns1il 2 жыл бұрын
My math professor actually got this question right too!
@Type2DarylBTeas
@Type2DarylBTeas Жыл бұрын
This is my creation. I can do whatever I want. I'm the boss....... My new attitude when approaching difficult calculations.
@kori228
@kori228 2 жыл бұрын
finally making a video on it? I remember a lot of us were requesting to actual explain the solution as the original video only talked about the event
@tlou34
@tlou34 2 жыл бұрын
mind blowing! also love the last 3 minutes.
@st3althyone
@st3althyone 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely mindblowing!!
@whatthefunction9140
@whatthefunction9140 2 жыл бұрын
I watch this video any time I think I'm smart
@DeGuerre
@DeGuerre 2 жыл бұрын
5:49 "Not just natural numbers, non-negative integers." Zvezda, I admire you greatly, but those are fighting words.
@AubreyBarnard
@AubreyBarnard 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, it always helps to write ℕ₀ regardless of one's personal preference. 🙂
@Lakonas313
@Lakonas313 2 жыл бұрын
In case anyone wanted to be more anxious about taking a math test, show them this video!
@nasrullahhusnan2289
@nasrullahhusnan2289 8 ай бұрын
At 14:54 you said that the created of the problem deliberately prohibites to use 0 for a in the example you discussed (r=4) when in fact it applies for a=0. As (a²+b²)/(ab+1) is cyclical, it also applies for b. The problem also says that a,b are positive integers. But I think it also applie for negative integer for both a,b. Thus the required condition is a and b are integers of same sign. Am I correct mom? I think (a²+b²)/(ab+1)
@arturslunga3415
@arturslunga3415 2 жыл бұрын
How tf did she solve this back then, she was basically just a kid in 1988. Professionals without time limit have failed to solve it, absolute legend
@ratlinggull2223
@ratlinggull2223 2 жыл бұрын
Basically the same kind of thing in every kind of olympiad: kids practicing hours and hours on solving similar problems. I'd done it my whole school life and I was sick of the whole deal.
@broccoloodle
@broccoloodle 2 жыл бұрын
A nice trick for the number of steps in the last part of video is a+b since they’re integers
@Junieper
@Junieper 2 жыл бұрын
It’s an upper bound, but the number of steps for (8,30) to decrease to (0,2) is clearly not 38.
@broccoloodle
@broccoloodle 2 жыл бұрын
@@Junieper agree, a+b is an upperbound. The argument is just the proof for termination of that algorithm
@rohinb97
@rohinb97 Жыл бұрын
Just based on the work done before 17:13, can’t we say r would always be a perfect square? We just proved that any pair of (a,b) that works for a certain r can be reduced to (x,0) or (0,y) by induction to give us the same r, and since putting (x,0) or (0,y) in this makes r either x^2 or y^2, this means that r would be a perfect square for every combination of (a,b) that yields a natural number Did we really have to prove the two roots won’t diverge into “bigger” pairs?
@drskelebone
@drskelebone 2 жыл бұрын
The homework question has to be a logarithm, right? Something like log(max(a, b))?
@Cernoise
@Cernoise 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently a mathematician can turn tiredness into theorems even without the coffee!
@triangledefinition
@triangledefinition 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed the competition story, reminded me of doing science olympiad
@AbiGail-ok7fc
@AbiGail-ok7fc 2 жыл бұрын
People who don't put 0 in the set of natural numbers always confuse me. Of course, it doesn't make the problem any simpler or harder whether 0 is in the set of natural numbers, because (a^2 + b^2)/(1 + 2ab) is trivially a perfect square if any of a and b are 0. I also wonder, do you need to show reductions for both a and b? Can't you just assume a ≥ b, as the pairs (a, b) and (b, a) give the same ratio? Or do you sometimes have to reduce the smaller number?
@scottdebrestian9875
@scottdebrestian9875 2 жыл бұрын
We were taught that the whole numbers include 0, the natural numbers do not.
@jazzabighits4473
@jazzabighits4473 2 жыл бұрын
Most of these videos are really interesting, but this one went so far over my head.
@ASSamiYT
@ASSamiYT Жыл бұрын
25:40 girls and boys... What does that have to do with learning and being excellent? Also, something amiss.
@pierrecurie
@pierrecurie 2 жыл бұрын
By induction, there will be another video on induction
@johnchessant3012
@johnchessant3012 2 жыл бұрын
god damnit I love math
@contenau22
@contenau22 2 жыл бұрын
Swear to god the amount of effort going into this single question is silly
@scottdebrestian9875
@scottdebrestian9875 2 жыл бұрын
Wait'll you see Fermat's Last Theorem.
@fordfactor
@fordfactor 2 жыл бұрын
We know the smart people who solved this question...but which uber-smart person CREATED it in the first place?
@intrepidmixedmedia7939
@intrepidmixedmedia7939 2 жыл бұрын
When you have a filled in map of the world, it is a simple matter to erase a few roads and then ask someone to plot them anew.
@hufflepuffjoh
@hufflepuffjoh 2 жыл бұрын
I think I got the main thing of the video but how do you prove that you always get a zero ? It doesn't seem obvious to me 🤔
@GreenMeansGOF
@GreenMeansGOF 2 жыл бұрын
A decreasing sequence of nonnegative integers must arrive at 0? I’d have to think about it but that’s my guess.
@rmsgrey
@rmsgrey 2 жыл бұрын
Every a and b you get during your sequence is always going to be a non-negative integer, and you're always going to be making one smaller while keeping the other the same. So you know that a+b keeps getting smaller. But since they're both always integers, a+b must be an integer too, so it gets smaller by at least 1 each time. If you could keep going without ever getting either to be 0, then after a+b steps, you'd have that a+b has reduced by at least 1 at each step, so is at most a+b - (1*(a+b)) = 0. But if a and b are both non-negative integers and are both non-zero, then you have two positive integers summing to 0. That's impossible, so the assumption that you can avoid reaching 0 must be false.
@hufflepuffjoh
@hufflepuffjoh 2 жыл бұрын
@@rmsgrey Thanks a lot for the clarification !
@ethandavis7310
@ethandavis7310 2 жыл бұрын
@@GreenMeansGOF Almost. There's a step in there where you also have to prove that the amount you decrease each time has a lower bound. Because we always decrease by an integer here, we satisfy this condition. An example of a sequence that does not satisfy this condition would be a geometric series with ratio 1/2. You decrease each iteration and are bounded below by zero, but you never get to zero
@GreenMeansGOF
@GreenMeansGOF 2 жыл бұрын
@@ethandavis7310 but is there even anything more to show? We know the numbers decrease and we know they are integers so they must decrease by a positive integer amount.
@Cooososoo
@Cooososoo 2 жыл бұрын
So who was the rank 1 st person who had done all 6 question right
@jschoete3430
@jschoete3430 2 жыл бұрын
27:41 had me laughing
@miorioff
@miorioff 2 жыл бұрын
Usually I'm good with numbers but this solution is hard for me to understand even after such a lengthy explanation 😔
@lavalampex
@lavalampex 2 жыл бұрын
I myself came up with a = b = r = 1
@ictmathematics
@ictmathematics 2 жыл бұрын
interesting
@SJohnTrombley
@SJohnTrombley 2 жыл бұрын
0 is a natural number fight me irl
@F_L_U_X
@F_L_U_X 2 жыл бұрын
🤯
@IslamIsDanger
@IslamIsDanger 2 жыл бұрын
Great!
@goodboi650
@goodboi650 2 жыл бұрын
There's a joke to be made about how every video you watch just makes you want to watch one more video.
@stevenverhaegen8729
@stevenverhaegen8729 2 жыл бұрын
😀 Infinite induction
@ygalel
@ygalel 2 жыл бұрын
All you need now is to watch a video
@Cre8tvMG
@Cre8tvMG 2 жыл бұрын
Let V be the number of videos you want to watch. V=V+1.
@yuvalne
@yuvalne 2 жыл бұрын
+
@Nethershaw
@Nethershaw 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard if you ever watch them all you get to meet David Hilbert in the Grand Hotel.
@jafarm4443
@jafarm4443 2 жыл бұрын
solved the question in 20 minutes, needed 28 minutes to explain it to us ... Madam you are a living LEGEND !
@TonyStark-30001
@TonyStark-30001 2 жыл бұрын
😅😂
@TonyStark-30001
@TonyStark-30001 2 жыл бұрын
@@mayshack broooo😅😂
@catalinbadalan4463
@catalinbadalan4463 2 жыл бұрын
Bruce Lee's motions had to be slowed down for camera to capture it at 24 FPS for us. This is the same.
@itioticginger9520
@itioticginger9520 2 жыл бұрын
​@@mayshackNot necessarily, because you already know how to solve 2+2, you do not need to figure out how to solve addition. While Stankova needed to figure out how to do it, and then actually execute. Even knowing that it was an induction problem, my first instinct is to show that (a,b) = (1,1) works and then assume (a,b) works and show that (a,b+1) works like how induction is normally taught. Coming up with the idea to bring the numbers down towards 0 by looking at the square itself seems absurd to me.
@GruntDestroyarChannel
@GruntDestroyarChannel Жыл бұрын
@@itioticginger9520 haha not if you’re showing 2+2=4 with axioms
@evanherk
@evanherk 2 жыл бұрын
You're a lovely person Zvezda. thank you for your brilliant way of explaining and your enthousiasm.
@OwlRTA
@OwlRTA 2 жыл бұрын
Tao actually talked about his interaction with Zvezda in the Numberphile interview. However, his memory was a bit hazy, so he misremembered her as "Romanian" lol
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
@vigilantcosmicpenguin8721 2 жыл бұрын
What a crossover!
@galex2000
@galex2000 2 жыл бұрын
Well Romania and Bulgaria being neighbors, understandable mistake 😅
@MrIStillDontCare
@MrIStillDontCare Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, Nicușor Dan, the current mayor of Bucharest, the capital city of Romania, was there as well and he got a gold medal as he solved all the questions with a perfect score.
@howard5992
@howard5992 Жыл бұрын
@@MrIStillDontCare Romania actually had two members (out of six) with perfect scores that year. The country tied with China for second place (based on their team scores).
@MrIStillDontCare
@MrIStillDontCare Жыл бұрын
@@howard5992 Yes, Adrian Vasiu was the 2nd Romanian with a gold medal while the other 4 people got silver medals in 88'. Even more impressive in my opinion is that both Nicușor and Adrian also got gold in 87' as well, they were among the 5 (out of six) Romanian gold medalists in 87'.
@andrewharrison8436
@andrewharrison8436 2 жыл бұрын
There are 2 scary things about this problem: a) I can follow the proof but couldn't possibly come up with it from scratch b) Somone thought of it So credits to: 1) all solvers 2) the problem setter 3) Zvezdelina and this video for the explanation
@renerpho
@renerpho 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to a world where P and NP are (apparently) different things.
@certainlynotthebestpianist5638
@certainlynotthebestpianist5638 2 жыл бұрын
I can quite easily follow the proof but could never be able to explain it myself. Let alone with such passion, enthusiasm and brilliancy
@pedroivog.s.6870
@pedroivog.s.6870 2 жыл бұрын
Welp, that feels so simple even though the only thing I barely know how to word with is functions (just entered calculus)
@vaishnavdurgasi8600
@vaishnavdurgasi8600 Жыл бұрын
not everyone who can appreciate music be Mozart and not everyone who can follow a step by step argument be gauss
@Triantalex
@Triantalex 8 ай бұрын
false.
@outside8312
@outside8312 2 жыл бұрын
I love how she explains things
@KwanLowe
@KwanLowe 2 жыл бұрын
Please, please have more videos with her. She's delightul to listen to and so brilliant.
@3snoW_
@3snoW_ 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing, both the proof and the history behind it. I wouldn't have made this a hidden follow-up video.
@speedfastman
@speedfastman 2 жыл бұрын
Not hidden anymore :^)
@seja098
@seja098 10 ай бұрын
made this?
@Triantalex
@Triantalex 8 ай бұрын
??
@inksamurai_
@inksamurai_ 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite videos from Numberphile, thank you Zvezdelina you are outstanding.
@sweepingtime
@sweepingtime 2 жыл бұрын
So far I've seen 3 videos on this amazing and legendary Question #6. One by a mathematician who wasn't at the competition and took a year to crack it. The video with Terence Tao. And now this video which I find the most fascinating because it had detail that Terence Tao himself forgot, like asking Stankova for a hint to the question after the competition. I guess this whole affair puts me into a mood thinking about how all these lives are intertwined by even an unlikely thing like a maths question.
@timay9220
@timay9220 2 жыл бұрын
17:21: "...We need to wrap this in a technical package so that it fits in our vehicle of induction". I love that. Epic.
2 жыл бұрын
You can see how math is a bit like programming: you also need glue code.
@fattimiv
@fattimiv 2 жыл бұрын
That was so incredibly elegant! It gave so much insight into the structure of the object in such a simple algorithm. I'm actually in awe. I'd love to see Zvezda's variation, too. Is that recorded anywhere?
@hamc9477
@hamc9477 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds kinda tough flying around the world as a youngster to do terrifying maths problems!
@Robinson8491
@Robinson8491 2 жыл бұрын
Did you ever watch the international superintendo tournaments? That was supposed to be fun!
@ethandavis7310
@ethandavis7310 2 жыл бұрын
The evidence proving that the sequence always converges to one zero term was spread out through the video and not explained super thoroughly, so to recap: Every time you perform a reduction, at least one of the numbers is guaranteed to decrease by an integer amount. Also, Zvezda proved using Vietta's theorem that because the new number found in the reduction is a root of a specific quadratic polynomial, the theorem shows that this new root must be non-negative. Therefore, if at each step the numbers must strictly decrease by an integer amount, and the numbers cannot be negative, there exists a step after a finite number of iterations at which one of the numbers is guaranteed to be zero. In a computer science setting we'd call this proof by entropy.
@codycast
@codycast 2 жыл бұрын
Huh?
@ethandavis7310
@ethandavis7310 2 жыл бұрын
@@codycast what's wrong?
@Ekevoo
@Ekevoo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that was the part that I didn't quite get
@eunkyungcho3477
@eunkyungcho3477 2 жыл бұрын
Huh?
@funkdefied1
@funkdefied1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@robertcameron-ellis6518
@robertcameron-ellis6518 2 жыл бұрын
More of Zvezda! No spoon feeding the audience. Straight and to the point. And so clear you can understand it immediately. That’s what maths is about!
@PopeLando
@PopeLando 2 жыл бұрын
Brady is, as ever, *obsessed* with whether mathematicians are jealous when another mathematician gets a solution first or a better solution.
@euler30
@euler30 Жыл бұрын
Students can barely solve 1 problem in 4.5hrs and she solved all 3 in 1hr 20mins perfectly scoring 7 in all 3 of them. Pure genius❤❤
@LinkMasterChief
@LinkMasterChief 2 жыл бұрын
Hearing 'number theory', my brain goes straight to modulus, divisibility, and primes, and I can't help but feel like the 'constantly lowering the one of the inputs' part of the proof feels a lot like the Euclidean Algorithm. I wonder if the two are related somehow.
@MathsIsLife
@MathsIsLife 2 жыл бұрын
I think so... I am trying to find relation with that only
@nebula3415
@nebula3415 9 ай бұрын
From what ive seen it doesn't relate to the euclidean algorithm its just vieta jumping
@yoavbd123
@yoavbd123 2 жыл бұрын
Such a great story and a brilliant solution! You should do a collab of Zvezda and Terence!
@PushyPawn
@PushyPawn 2 жыл бұрын
Zvezda is such a star. ⭐
@maxhaibara8828
@maxhaibara8828 2 жыл бұрын
It's like the Euclidean's Algorithm for finding GCD
@lonestarr1490
@lonestarr1490 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Vieta jumping.
@nik6494
@nik6494 2 жыл бұрын
Im confused wasnt the answer supposed to be a curved piece of wire ?
@intrepidmixedmedia7939
@intrepidmixedmedia7939 2 жыл бұрын
when the engineer goes to a math conference
@sphakamisozondi
@sphakamisozondi 2 жыл бұрын
Both Zvezdelina and Emanouil managed to solve this problem that decorated mathematicians had trouble with. However, Zvezda's solution used a complicated method, which is kind of impressive in my opinion.
@rema_style
@rema_style 2 жыл бұрын
I think Bulgarian teem in preparation for IMO solved some similar problems and was familiar with this method.
@mikefochtman7164
@mikefochtman7164 2 жыл бұрын
Once you have a pair that contains zero, it occurs to me that you can work backwards starting with ANY natural number as it's mate. And 'r' for the particular solution is the square of that number.
@OudPlayerHBY
@OudPlayerHBY Жыл бұрын
"Number theory is not my forte" Solved a legendary difficult number theory question in 20mn
@ygalel
@ygalel 2 жыл бұрын
It's clear that if you did all of her homeworks you will one day have a Ph.D in Mathematics 😂
@saukash
@saukash 7 ай бұрын
Let's define: k = (a^2 + b^2) / (ab + 1) Since ab + 1 divides a^2 + b^2, we know that k is a positive integer. Our goal is to show that k is a perfect square. Finding a Recursive Relationship: Consider the expressions: A = b B = kb - a If we substitute these into A^2 + B^2 and simplify, we get: A^2 + B^2 = b^2 + (kb - a)^2 = b^2 + k^2b^2 - 2kab + a^2 = (k^2 + 1)b^2 - 2kab + a^2 = k(kb^2 - 2ab + a^2/k) = k(AB + 1) [Using the value of k] Descending a Ladder: Notice an exciting property: A^2 + B^2 is again of the same form as our original expression (a^2 + b^2), with the added bonus that A^2 + B^2 = k(AB + 1). This gives us a way to create a chain of numbers related to the original a and b, where at each step we get values similar in structure, with the same value of k. Base Case: We can continue creating smaller pairs (A, B) at each step. To end this descent, we'll eventually hit a case where either a or b (Assume 'a' without loss of generality) becomes 0. If a = 0, then from the original equation: b^2 = k(0 * b + 1) => k = b^2 In this scenario, k is obviously a perfect square. The Contradiction: Assume k is not a perfect square. Then, since its an integer it has some unique prime factorization. Using our recursive step with this non-square k, we can descend to smaller and smaller positive integer pairs (a, b). At each step, k remains the same. However, this descent of a and b is bounded by them being positive integers. We cannot keep "splitting" the prime factors in k indefinitely with smaller integers! There must be a step where this descent cannot progress. This contradicts our assumption that k is not a perfect square. Therefore, k must be the square of an integer. Additional Notes: There are multiple approaches to this proof. This one establishes a recursive descent. This result has a beautiful geometric interpretation involving Pythagorean triples.
@choigangae
@choigangae 2 жыл бұрын
Induction with quadratic formula! This proof is beautiful.
@jaopredoramires
@jaopredoramires 2 жыл бұрын
Oh boy, I've waited since the question 6 video to see her taking about it
@darthrainbows
@darthrainbows 2 жыл бұрын
I tried to solve question 6 a few years ago. It took me 2 days. I'm not even sure that my proof is valid.
@thepowerman8952
@thepowerman8952 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Great explanation. And as always it's humbling to hear an excellent mathematician reminisce about the achievements of their youth.
@adarshmohapatra5058
@adarshmohapatra5058 2 жыл бұрын
The story at the end was epic! And she explained it so nicely, she made me feel I could derive the proof myself. All hail induction
@KSJR1000
@KSJR1000 2 жыл бұрын
I've been watching your channel since 2011. This is one of your best videos.
@doraemon402
@doraemon402 2 жыл бұрын
Excuse me, a notation point: Natural numbers (written with that N) are: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, ... Positive integers (written as Z^+) are: 1, 2, 3, 4, ...
@minijimi
@minijimi 2 жыл бұрын
Film from the left is someone is right handed, if they are a lefty, film from the right. That way we can see what they write, while writing.
@adamqazsedc
@adamqazsedc 2 жыл бұрын
Her story with Tao is so fascinating!
@rtpoe
@rtpoe 2 жыл бұрын
So the key was to remember Vieta's Formulae?
@cptazstudios7952
@cptazstudios7952 2 жыл бұрын
I love the “if you say so” okay when checking her division
@seonggyukwon1178
@seonggyukwon1178 2 жыл бұрын
How can a cubic polynomial come up during the problem-solving? Can someone guess? All I can think of is a quadratic...
@nasrullahhusnan2289
@nasrullahhusnan2289 8 ай бұрын
a and b are two positive integers such that a²+b² is divisible by ab+1 Show that (a²+b²)/(ab+1) is a perfect square. ab+1|a²+b² --> ab+1|a²+b²+2(ab+1) ab+1|(a+b)²+2 --> ab+1|a²+b²-2(ab+1) ab+1|(a-b)²-2 Let d=(a+b)²+2-[(a-b)²-2] =(a+b)²-(a-b)²+4 =[(a+b)+(a-b)][(a+b)-(a-b)]-4 = 2a(2b)+4 =4(ab+1) Let (a²+b²)/(ab+1)=k (1) Note a≠b as if a=b, k=2a²/(a²+1) and 2a² is not divisible by (a²+1). Multiply LHS (1) by 4/4: 4(a²+b²)/[4(ab+1)]=k 4(a²+b²)/k=4(ab+1) =4[{(a+b)²+2}-{(a-b)²-2] =4[(a+b)²-(a-b)²]+4² [4(a²+b²)/k]+4(a-b)²=4(a+b)²+4² LHS=[(2a)²/k]+[(2b)²/k]+4(a-b)² RHS=4(a+b)²+4² Note that RHS is sum of 2 positive integers. LHS must be positive interger too. Recall a≠b meaning that if k|a --> b is not divisible by k, and vice versa. LHS is sum of three posituve integers if k is a perfect square
@ReaperUnreal
@ReaperUnreal 2 жыл бұрын
That's absolutely wild. It's not at all how I would've approached the problem, but I guess that's why I didn't go to the math olympiad. I really enjoyed how clearly every piece fell together by the end.
@Czeckie
@Czeckie 2 жыл бұрын
I could watch prof. Stankova videos for eternity, never stop churning them out
@davidwilkie9551
@davidwilkie9551 Жыл бұрын
Feynman said that Renormalisation was a bit of hokus pokus because he had not proved the innate legitimacy of the technique, so is that mathematical Induction, reducing the action of processing an equation or formula to least action? And now this "once upon a time" inadvertent positioning of harmonic phase-locked coherence-cohesion numberness, measured-modular condensation=> modulation->resonance bonding-proportioning density-intensity.., eg Bose-Einsteinian Condensation in/of Euler's e-Pi-i sync-duration discovered format by picturing the ultimate reduction of "ideal Gas" Thermodynamics, the legitimate solution of "What is Truth?". Probability, uncertain logarithmic condensation is the innate actual evidence of existence. Note, 2-ness => transverse trancendental Tangency Space propositional log-antilog interference prime-cofactor frequency density-intensity alignment in the picture-plane, and unitary-duality i-reflection containment, so the relative-timing ratio-rates of Ln 3-ness projection-drawing extends a kind of "Through the Looking Glass" dimensionality to the "darkness" beyond the interference picture. "Homework Exercises". Because we are Quantum Operator Logic Computational Information Devices, Analog Quantum-fields pulse-evolution Mechanism here-now-forever, the Intuitive Flash recognition of Mathematical Conjecture is self explanatory in Logarithmic Time Superspin, sync-duration resonance quantization-bonding and Actuality.., common sensing observation in e-Pi-i Singularity positioning floating point, 0-1-2-ness Sublimation-Tunnelling prime-cofactor conglomerations.. and so on. All this Bose-Einsteinian, log-antilog interference positioning-location In-form-ation is deduced from Professor Terry Tao's Gaps between Primes origin of omnidirectional-dimensional cause-effect Timing-spacing coordination of logarithmic relative-timing concept.
@johnspeno8163
@johnspeno8163 7 ай бұрын
Zvezdelina, you are an amazingly lucky person! Of the tiny handful of pairs that produce a perfect square, you just happened to find the Wonka Bar with the golden ticket! 30 and 112, let me write those numbers down.
@dancroitoru364
@dancroitoru364 11 ай бұрын
This is a long winded solution - a simpler solution is by way of contradiction: suppose r is not a perfect square and (a, b) is a "minimal" solution (a+b is minimal). assuming a >b By Vieta you can easily show (because r is not a perfect square) that you must have another solution (a1,b) for which a1+b
@williamjones3313
@williamjones3313 2 жыл бұрын
Assume r = a^2. Then b is a^3. Then (a^2 + a^6)/(1 + a^4) = a^2; proving that the assumed value for r is correct. b = 0 is also correct, but r is still equal to a^2. None of the discussions and calculations presented in the video even hint at finding values for r that are not P.S. Therefore, I claim that r = a^2 is the only possible value of r. If a is an integer, then r is a P.S. for all a. Q.E.D
@fjccommish
@fjccommish 5 ай бұрын
Lots of videos like this - people who don't know much about math expounding about "impossible" math problems that are actually simple.
@jialixx
@jialixx 6 ай бұрын
Brilliant proof! After watching this, I feel like I can join the Math Olympic if I were 30 years younger.
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