Nurse Practitioner vs Physician Assistant

Nurse Practitioner vs Physician Assistant/ This video aims to outline the differences between NPs and PAs including their education and training, job role, physician collaboration, and of course their salary!
NPs and PAs perform very similar jobs (usually the SAME job), and so this can lead to some confusion by patients over what their differences actually are. Additionally, those who want to pursue an Advanced Practice Provider (APP) profession - they have to choose which route is right for them - the nurse practitioner route, or the physician assistant route.
This video will help you have a better understanding of what to expect, and which one might be right for you!
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[@WillKellyNP]

I focused on Master’s prepared NPs and PAs. I didn’t go into DNP-prepared or alternative NP paths such as RN-to-MSN bridge programs or direct-entry options - I will do a future video on these paths :)

[@jelloMadison]

You forget, if you want Psych, you go NP. If you want first assist, surgery, you go PA. If you want Anesthesia or Midwifery, go nursing. Also, if later, should you ever want to go into management or administration, go the NP route. Never seen a PA in any significant leadership role in the hospital, always RN or MD.

[@WillKellyNP]

That's a great point, PA is better for certain goals, and NP is better for other goals. Thanks for adding this!

[@patriciastacey1225]

I know lots of PAs in leadership roles. Here in Canada anyway.

[@SimpleFitNurse]

Thank you for clarifying.

[@jessicamena15]

This is probably the best PA vs NP video I’ve seen! As a PA I really appreciate this as there is typically anti-PA spin 😂 the only thing I would like to add it that most PAs must have clinical experience to get in to PA school. There is a huge misconception that PAs have “no clinical experience. Every one of my classmates has clinical experience.

[@jeannettenanteguza5098]

Thanks you. Does working as an lpn before applying "good".

[@lucillebennet4233]

My considerable internet research has finally paid off and recognized with extremely good facts to exchange with my friends and the world. Medical Doctors and Dermatologists said (HSV 1&2, Herpes zosters) do not have a medical cure because the virus is capable of hiding within the human cells. it remains protected from your immune system. Herpes isn't an incurable virus! your immune system has the tools to fight it back. But because it is able to lay dormant in protected cells, your immune system is unable to remove it from your body, But with strong reactive herbal medication, it is capable of getting rid of the virus gradually and totally from your body without any side effects, natural herbs kill the virus totally not just reducing the outbreaks. I just got my test result today after 7 days of using the herbal Medication and it came out Negative to both HSV 1&2.im so delighted I recommend this to anyone suffering from herpes virus. You can get natural Herbal Medication from Dr. Aloha contact him through his email: [e-mail] or WhatsApp [phone].

[@charbaka373]

@@jeannettenanteguza5098 it should be good! But some programs differ in what they accept as good experience so you'll have to see their prerequisites individually. They usually list the types of clinical experience they require.

[@LorianandLothric]

He didn't do enough to differentiate the two. PA school is harder to get into and the training is more rigorous and difficult. They need to complete 80-120 credit hours and 2,000 clinical hours compared to 40-60 credits and 800 clinical for NP school. And those credit hours in PA school are from harder classes. He also didn't mention one of the most important differences which is that PAs have more lateral mobility, able to switch specialties without being locked to a single one.

[@LorianandLothric]

@Peligro Padilla lol hate to break it to you but PAs have way more training. More clinical hours and more credit hours learned. It's also more difficult to get into one. You need a 3.6 GPA, 2000-3000 PCE hours, volunteering hours, 3-4 quality LORs, and shadowing just to be average when applying. PAs can prescribe medication but an RN cannot. PAs can diagnose a patient but an RN cannot.

[@pestleandmortarmedical5400]

The interesting truth is that PA's are trained in the medical model of medicine, which is the same model of medicine of Physicians. PA's curriculum was designed in the same manner to how they accelerated the training of physicians during WW2 (Fast Track). PA's are trained in a generalized approach to medicine and MD's are trained with a specific approach. PA's sit in the same classes with MD's but split off as time progresses in there training (Duke University, Idaho University, Northwestern University etc). PA's have 1 didactic (Book learning) year and 1 clinical year (2,000 hrs of hand on clinical experience) and MD's have 2 years of didactic and 2 years of clinical. PA's can enter the workforce immediately upon graduation and largely continue to learn from their physician counterparts, however there are PA's who do go into specific residencies (emergency medicine, orthopedics, OB/GYN, etc). PA's largely have collaborative agreements with physician/hospitals in order to practice medicine. MD's are required to go into a residency before they practice which can last 3 years or longer and have Full autonomy. I can delve into the differences with MD's and PA's as it compares to NP's. Salaries: PA's make $4,000 - $5,000 more on Average than NP's as per reports from BLS. Nurse anesthesiologist are often included in advance practice nurses and will inflate the numbers of NP's. BLS allows you to separate the salaries within the nursing to determine this. PA's have graduated autonomy in 5 states

[@royjohnson9043]

whatever makes you feel better bud

[@LorianandLothric]

@@royjohnson9043 You got a problem with what he said?

[@jessylozano4098]

@@LorianandLothric It seems to be coming off a bit defensive. The original comment touches on a lot of the meat and potatoes the video covered. If the original commenter wants to cover a more detailed history and schooling of PAs I’d watch it. The reality is that there are shitty PAs, NP’s, and MD’s. I once walked in to an MD almost killing a patient by nearly bottoming out the patient’s BP. Luckily one of our IDMTs stepped in and talked to the MD. We should supporting each other not nitpicking.

[@LorianandLothric]

@@jessylozano4098 The original comment was highly factual and detailed. He (or she) knew what she was talking about. He wasn’t even “siding” with a particular occupation, he only said it was interesting to him. But Roy over here just dismisses it all like a moron

[@LorianandLothric]

@Peligro Padilla What are you trying to say?

[@Tania-pd5un]

You always come through with the super informational videos. Keep up the good work. :)

[@ShaylaCSmart]

Great video! Loved the map!

[@jodirook71]

Being a physician assistant is a complete nightmare- I have been out of work for almost 9 months during a pandemic if you can believe that somebody with 26 years of medical experience is suddenly useless during the worst Health crisis that has happened to this planet in a hundred years. The legislation that allows nurse practitioners to practice independently has not been afforded to physician assistants. When you watch the news and you see the medical personnel boohoo over how they don't have enough help - remember that as of November 2020 there are almost 50,000 physician assistants unemployed in America. That's almost 1000 providers per state. They're bringing in the National Guard they're bringing in people from the prison - people are dying left and right but the physician assistants are watching this on tv from the sofa. ARNP they didn't mention anything about physician assistants to the legislature - we've been left behind. We should have worked together and gone to legislation and gotten this done together as mid levels - we should have - but instead between the nurse practitioners only looking out for themselves and the MD's working hard to #stopscopecreep when your loved one dies in the hospital of covid-19 thinking maybe extra staff members could have made a difference maybe it could. Awhite house like that would make any difference I've written my Governor twice I contacted the aapa AMA and State physician assistant agencies. I started work two days ago as a covid-19 screener I'm not employed as a physician assistant -I am useless during covid-19. If you are physician assistant good effing luck.

[@brooke5520]

so sorry to hear that

[@jodirook71]

@@brooke5520 I'm working as a covid19 tester for nursing wages. This is run by the health department... But they are not testing any of the workers ' find your own testing site" my unemployment runs out 12.26 like the other 12 million Americans - but ... did you know covid-19 testing is connected to the cares act until the day after Christmas no one's going to get a covid test ? Somebody should break their foot off in the ass of Mitch McConnell and make him do his job

[@brooke5520]

@@jodirook71 wow i had no idea. are u saying u regret becoming a pa? or is it only affected due to covid. i am currently a sophomore in high school and am deciding whether to become a pa or nurse practitioner in pediatrics. what do u recommend? i hope everything works out for u by the way :)

[@jodirook71]

@@brooke5520 both - I love the work. I hate the structure - as a paramedic I got to be all about the care of that person. It should be that way for providers. Often a mid-levels is the 1st to be thrown under the bus. I wouldn't have gone to PA school if I had known.

[@maxineshaw4763]

You should stop practicing in those fields and go into specialties like the MDs

[@adai5792]

This was like THE best and THE most simplest video that thoroughly explains the difference between a PA and an NP. I love it! ✨👌 Thank you Will! I really enjoy videos that just gets straight to the point. NEW subscriber here! 😊

[@t.g.5058]

Thank you for this. As of right now I’m going with PA.

[@rxqak9]

Thanks for scatchin the surface of comfounding state licensure

[@NinjuhhKen]

I looooved this! Though I'd like to add that many PA programs require the GRE and some schools even require students to take the PA-CAT prior to submitting their application. Also, a BIIIIG pro of being a PA is the "lateral mobility" aspect of it. You mentioned that PAs are trained as a generalist, but what that means in a bit more detail is that we have the flexibility to move into any specialty of medicine without having to go back to school to re-specialize! Lastly, as a very minor side note, there is only one nationally approved online PA program at the moment (Yale) but once you get to your rotations, that obviously isn't online! So if anyone is on the fence about choosing between PA and NP, you should also keep this in mind! :D

[@WillKellyNP]

Great points! I should have emphasized that, that PAs definitely have more lateral mobility, as NPs are limited to which patient population that they trained for.

[@christinakonto8788]

really well made and insightful video! thanks

[@yasminr.r9945]

I'm 21 years old and in 1 year i will get my BSN degree. it's my dream to become a NP like you❤

[@WillKellyNP]

Yasmin R.R that’s so great! You can definitely make it happen!

[@youngdudefromcali529]

Your great bro. Like the ending “go out and save some lives” why I’m going to school for Register nursing. Caring for my community and others in general. I also want to open up my own clinic as an NP to control my destiny and legacy when it comes to giving back to our country and world

[@naijayfox]

I love your videos very informative and concise

[@loisbeard8536]

This is the best video of comparing the two!

[@paigeunique5375]

Great content! I think it’s also important to add that PAs are able to practice autonomously in specific states as well.

[@WillKellyNP]

I am not aware of this and cannot find any information regarding this. Many times the supervising physician does not need to be on-site, but as far as I know they are still required to have a supervising physician on file? Are you able to provide a source for this information?

[@SV-sr3jm]

You’d have to look at state-specific PA laws, but yes, there are many states now that use “collaboration” instead of “supervision” (AK, IL, IN, MO, NM, RI, TN, VT, VA, WA). Some states do not require a PA to have any supervising or collaborating physician (ME, MI, MN, ND, WV). UT also just passed a bill eliminating the need for a tie to a physician. It is expected to be signed into law soon. WI had a bill pending for the same & it has enough support in the legislature to pass but then the pandemic hit and everything was put on hold.

[@royjohnson9043]

@@SV-sr3jm God help us all

[@sashanoel8766]

Kind of defeats the purpose of calling them physician “assistant” if they can practice autonomously. The title should be MP as in medical practitioner or something. Definitely something to discuss

[@paigeunique5375]

@@sashanoel8766 the name has been changed to Physician Associate for some time now. Just hasn’t caught on.

[@annahernandez7424]

Do you know anything about schedule flexibility for PAs vs NPs? Thank you for the video! It was awesome!

[@yourmomishere331]

Thank you for explaining this difference. It very important to know this.

[@MoNoK15]

Perfect breakdown 👌🏾

[@WillKellyNP]

Glad you think so!

[@RNScrub]

keep on going, good content, I will graduate in may 2020 with my nurse practitioner

[@yourmomishere331]

Hey how many years after obtaining a BSN do you recommend to go back to school to become an NP?

[@claudiaaugustin6512]

@@yourmomishere331 4

[@prettypeachfitnesstm6743]

Omg wow this really helped me so much thank you ! I work in a clinic now and also a student in college my main goal was to become a APRN but was interested in PA as well. But now I know the difference in a short simple way thank you !

[@socialjustice95]

Only thing I’d clarify, is that the didactic portion isn’t 2 years of med school crammed into a year. Their studies are much more clinical based, akin to our second year of medical school.

[@valeriaarteaga6979]

There are also entry level NP programs so you can have a non-nursing bachelors just as long as you meet the prerequisites.

[@Esssupp]

Hope you answer shawty, how long would it take starting with the entry level np programs if I don’t have a bachelors in nursing

[@shubhdhruv7119]

@@Esssupp 3-4 years

[@aliyamae3496]

I’m getting my BSN in 16 months! Accelerated programs are great!

[@YshaLegacyChannel]

Thank you for explaining this. Up to now, I still did not really know the difference 😅

[@missionnoel6753]

Hey Will! Nice video! Can an NP own multiple practices in different states in as much as the state allows NP’s to practice independently?

[@shedydee4962]

Both are excellent careers

[@WillKellyNP]

Absolutely!

[@jodirook71]

No they are not

[@brooke5520]

@@jodirook71 which is better

[@EmilyLovesBooks]

There are PA programs that are 3 years, such as CU Denver! Also, after shadowing many PAs in different areas of medicine, they have just as much autonomy as an NP both in the hospital and in a clinic setting. Just an observation from CO:)

[@WillKellyNP]

Emily Chavez there are always going to be outlying programs - there is no one size fits all path or track - I just tried to get as close to the “norm” as possible! And yes - NP and PA have pretty much the same overall outlook. But in general, more legal autonomy is given to NPs in full practice authority states. This usually only matters when opening up your own clinic - which by far is not the norm!

[@bryndrson8289]

I interviewed at CU Denver. It was my top choice but they rejected me. Most schools are 27-28 months though

[@dyaonna]

Can you create a video about crnas

[@slurpyfish7378]

So My goal is to become a PA. Right now I’m in school for Medical Assisting. Would that count towards me Pre-Requisites? And where can I look for the accelerated programs for PA schools?

[@WillKellyNP]

I believe being a medical assistant should count as your health-care exposure hours, but I would reach out to the schools of interest to be sure. However, you will still need science pre-reqs as well. All PA schools are accelerated and finish in 24-26 months. This is after your undergraduate degree with science pre-reqs completed

[@HopeElayne]

If you are serious about PA school then start gathering a list of schools now! Each school will have generally the same science requirements but some do require additional. For example, in my city one school requires Chem 1&2+ Labs, Biol 1&2+ Labs, and A&P 1&2 + Labs and you must have at least 500 hands-on-Patient hours meaning you must be working directly with a patient. Administrative work does not count. Then another school here requires the same pre-reqs plus a course in Genetics and Epidemiology... another requires more science with preference given to those who take Organic Chem over Gen. Chem., but does not require patient hours... so that’s why I said get a list of schools together, bc you’ll be applying to multiple schools and to not delay your application, you’ll need to get all of the requirements out of the way! Best of luck to you😄

[@gilbert3922]

What are the conditions for applying for a job as a physician assistant in the United States? Do they accept the certificate of the institute?

[@gabbymiles5655]

Great video, do you think it is necessary to go to DNP school, will NP's be required to have it in the future.

[@yourmomishere331]

How many years did you wait after getting your BSN before going to school for your masters? What do you recommend is a good time for a BSN nurse to go back for his/her Masters?

[@lucillebennet4233]

My considerable internet research has finally paid off and recognized with extremely good facts to exchange with my friends and the world. Medical Doctors and Dermatologists said (HSV 1&2, Herpes zosters) do not have a medical cure because the virus is capable of hiding within the human cells. it remains protected from your immune system. Herpes isn't an incurable virus! your immune system has the tools to fight it back. But because it is able to lay dormant in protected cells, your immune system is unable to remove it from your body, But with strong reactive herbal medication, it is capable of getting rid of the virus gradually and totally from your body without any side effects, natural herbs kill the virus totally not just reducing the outbreaks. I just got my test result today after 7 days of using the herbal Medication and it came out Negative to both HSV 1&2.im so delighted I recommend this to anyone suffering from herpes virus. You can get natural Herbal Medication from Dr. Aloha contact him through his email: [e-mail] or WhatsApp [phone].

[@candyjones4841]

@@lucillebennet4233 im going immediately after

[@aisha6577]

I’m waiting about 1-2 years. No point in going straight to a more advanced degree with no experience yet.

[@christinawills5134]

Do you have to bedside because I want to specialize in neonatal

[@candyjones4841]

So u don't have to apply to get accepted into a P.A. program?

[@kennethlee5197]

You forgot to mention you can become an NP via online study course. My PA program was part of the School of Medicine and we took classes with medical students.

[@C3yl0]

Face to face! Cause after the pandemic everybody studies online. The irony lol

[@tiffanyt1993]

I have my bachelor's degree in psych and I have been considering these two options. For the NP route, is there a direct entry way to get into the program or would I have to get my BSN?

[@tonie374]

Got to get that BSN.

[@WillKellyNP]

Usually you will need your BSN, unless you can find a direct-entry PMHNP program that will first take you through the BSN-type courses built within the program.

[@MsSmellybob]

I see an NP and she's awesome, that's also personal opinion.

[@Coco-ke9zh]

Can u pls do a video if np school is really that hard im fifteen and idk about it since reading some articles

[@WillKellyNP]

In my opinion its not hard, just takes a lot of time commitment and dedication to study and improve. This never really stops even after graduation

[@brianawesomite1766]

You have alot of time to make that decision my friend

[@andynonymous6769]

Good for you thinking about your career already. Now that it’s been 2 years I’m curious if you’ve decided. My university experience went like this: I was terrified that I wouldn’t be smart enough to do it when I was first getting in, but once I started, I realized that it was just like when I was afraid to go into grade 1 from kindergarten. I was worried that they’d throw all the information at me at once and expect me to magically know it. Needless to say, just like any other year of schooling, they didn’t do that. They give you bite sized pieces of information for you to absorb each lecture then move on- nothing more than you can handle. Same as grade 1, or grade 12, or 4th year uni. It’s daunting starting off but then you realize that every difficult piece of information is just a bunch of tiny pieces of simple information, and they just slowly introduce that simple information to you over the years So basically no it’s not too hard as long as you’re willing to keep up

[@riiilynne]

Are you an acute care NP or FNP?

[@WillKellyNP]

FNP

[@ypmm53]

Excellent clip! Thank you for the sharing the info.

[@WillKellyNP]

Yves Patrick Mardice I’m glad you found it useful!!

[@ypmm53]

Will Kelly, NP the best clip so far that I’ve come across. Thank you again!!

[@WillKellyNP]

Yves Patrick Mardice thank you so much!

[@ypmm53]

Will Kelly, NP nooooo. Thank you sir!!!!

[@favianhernandez9820]

Im going into college but i dont know what rout to take, Either for pa or np.

[@20somethingsworld97]

Favian Hernandez np

[@bigp8871]

twistedblktrekie I plan on doing this but people will say that I should be ashamed of myself for taking someone’s spot for a person who wanted to be a nurse

[@UneasyTortoise]

if youre going into college and not nursing school i can already tell you to go PA.if youre in nursing school however the answer is obviously NP

[@LorianandLothric]

You should be trying to be a PA unless you're a nurse

[@Primitivegarage915]

Wish this had how many credit hours each degree takes during the masters degree!

[@WillKellyNP]

Luis L that’s a good point! Many PA programs will have between 80-120 credit hours, and most MSN NP programs will have between 40-60 credit hours. This is why PAs really can’t work simultaneously whereas many NP students are still working at the bedside. Thanks for pointing that out!

[@andynonymous6769]

@@WillKellyNP thanks for the info! You’re so helpful

[@rxqak9]

Notice neither typicall dont work in long term care or hospice

[@pascalsaux5733]

D34~D’ex

[@patriciastacey1225]

It also isn't a Masters Degree here for the PA and you don't need clinical experience 😉

[@Scroll06]

Sir I am from india can i do Nursing practitioner course in USA

[@mcdoofus1183]

PA school studies is just watered down medical school studies lol

[@michaellong2439]

its pretty balsy to suggest the first year of PA school is like the first two years of actual medical school combined

[@patriciastacey1225]

Here in Ontario you only need 2 years of undergrad)

[@KielleDeAnda]

Can a PA get a certificate as an obgyn specialist ?

[@bryndrson8289]

Once you are PA-C you can work in whatever specialty you'd like. You don't need any specific certificate to work OBGYN.

[@jelloMadison]

You can become a Certified Nurse Midwife, (CNM), a specialty of advanced practice registered nurse, just like an NP. They take take care of pregnant women, pre, ante, post partum, and deliver babies all independent of physicians. They can prescribe and diagnose. They work in collaboration with OBYGN. They can’t perform surgery, no c-section.

[@gabriellaa1873]

Great video! What's the minimum amount of time a person works as a registered nurse before applying to an NP program?

[@WillKellyNP]

Usually there is no requirement - depending on the program. Specialty programs like acute care, psych, etc often require 1-2 years minimum.

[@gabriellaa1873]

Will Kelly, NP Thank you!!

[@ezinneisiguzo1606]

my sister worked for one year before applying for np school.

[@Jon-jk8vd]

Hello, Dr. Nurse, can I speak to the Doctor please?

[@joshget1]

There are a few things that you didn’t point out, which are important to know: PA’s are taught using the medical model(how med students are taught), NP’s are not. Also, PA’s have way more lateral movement for jobs. They can go from surgery to family medicine, to pediatrics, anything. NP’s are stuck since they are forced to have a specialty. This is huge. PA’s also need to take an exam usually GRE before applying to PA school, which you forgot to mention. PA’s need clinical hours before applying to school too. Most of them work as a CNA for a while. About 1000+ hours.

[@vincentpapka8012]

True, but also misleading. NPs also have the ability for lateral movement. You can work as an NP in Oncology, while working per diem in Urgent Care or Primary Care. I also know plenty of NPs who work in surgery- many in cardio-thoracic surgery who also, moonlight in urgent care. There are NPs in dermatology and aesthetics. The requirement for specialty isn't limiting, but actually gives the NP an excellent focus. An FNP can work in Urgent Care, just like an Acute Care NP can work in primary care. We forget that it takes 2 national licensing (board) exams to become an NP, the first being the NCLEX and the second being the NP boards. While many NP programs don't have as many clinical hours as PA schools, 99% of NP students were RN's first, thus they have extensive clinical knowledge and exposure/ hours- in the thousands of hours. This is real life- real events- exposure, not just clinical rotation exposure. These NP students know their pharmacology, pathophysiology, know how to place IV's rapidly and efficiently, auscultate, titrate meds, perform in codes, manage wound care, discuss and collaborate with colleagues, have a solid foundation in physical assessment, charting etc. This is what many people forget. This needs to be reiterated.

[@joshget1]

@@vincentpapka8012 and anyone else reading this. I really recommend you to about both of NP’s and PA’s from accredited institutes and professionals. I have close friends and family members holding both occupations. Everyone will say what I previously stated. I don’t have a preference or favorite when it comes to an occupation. My goal was to accurately portray to those who might be stuck in choosing between the two.

[@vincentpapka8012]

@@joshget1 They are both amazing careers, and overlap greatly! Either choice is excellent. We should be reaffirming and supporting each other as advanced practice providers, instead of focusing on the minor differences. At the end of the day, a PA still has the "assistant" title and an NP still has the "nurse" title. We know we aren't doctors, and don't try to be. But to negate the lateral mobility an NP has is also not fair, as countless work in a plethora of fields/moonlight/per diem in varying careers just like PAs. Good to talk with you :)

[@joshget1]

@@vincentpapka8012 what you’re saying about lateral movement is just not true. PA’a have lateral movement. It is also important to note that PA school can not be taken online simultaneously while working. It is very intense just like medical school. You can’t take med school or PA school online and while having a job. NP school can be taken online, also while working. PA school is also more competitive to enter since there are fewer schools, thus fewer spots. They both are advanced care providers. Thanks for the convo Vincent.

[@vincentpapka8012]

​@@joshget1 PAs have lateral movement, as do NPs. Both can work in multiple fields, at the same time. Most PA programs are currently online right now- completely remote, such as St. Johns University in New York, my friend in it is working part time. Also, NP programs are not just online, they do require clinical hours and in-person didactic lessons, while continuing to work part time as an RN. You seem to be highly proud of the PA path, and dismissive of NP education. As stated before, NPs start as an RN, with countless clinical experience and education that many in PA school don't have from the start. I acknowledge the PA route , its rigorous, and it mirrors the physician route, but it is NOT the same as medical school, and reinforcing that ones education is superior over the other is nonsense. We perform the same tasks. Neither of us are doctors, and never will be. There are poor PAs and NPs, there are amazing PAs and NPs.

[@oscarcedeno4413]

Can an NP switch specialties as easily as a PA?

[@jelloMadison]

Family Nurse Practitioners and Adult Nurse Practitioners are more versatile in switching specialties. Most NP tend to practice in the field they practice as an RN but not always. As a psych NP, I only see psych patients and can work in addiction medicine too, but a FNP can also work in addiction with experience. If you ever want to go into Management later, go NP route.

[@WillKellyNP]

Honestly no, PAs can switch specialties easier as they are trained as generalists, whereas NPs are trained by patient population.

[@LorianandLothric]

No, it's one of the greatest perks of being a PA

[@Kalahn54]

"Think of this as the two first years of med school, crammed into one" - Eh, I'd prefer not to, since they're not at all equivalent.

[@WillKellyNP]

I was more talking about the type of content learned, as opposed to the actual volume or depth.

[@barbaramccoy7032]

No

[@Dmik424]

You forgot that PA’s need to take the GRE or MCAT to before applying...

[@WillKellyNP]

Great point!

[@royjohnson9043]

@@WillKellyNP *GRE. No need for MCAT

[@Ram-hy8dc]

@@royjohnson9043 You can take either or

[@royjohnson9043]

@@Ram-hy8dc Yea but why the hell would a PA want to take an MCAT? Do you know what that entails? Lets not pretend its a requirement lol. GRE is required.

[@Josephamac]

No, there are plenty of PA schools that don’t require the GRE

[@bobbyb8330]

Unlike NPs, PAs actually study medicine.

[@marieri2654]

Jealous. Don’t be a hater

[@bobbyb8330]

@@marieri2654 lol. Just stating the fact.

[@billr5842]

I would never trust seeing a PA or an NP for the simplest things. Most MDs barely know what they are doing let alone a PA/NP. Midlevels really shouldn't exist. I always request a well trained MD,.

[@LorianandLothric]

@@billr5842 You're not very bright huh?

[@billr5842]

@@LorianandLothric Bright enough to not put my life in the hands of a PA.

[@tragzz]

Icu rn here, i prefer to work with acute care nps over pa's. Simply because i question pa's decisions and orders more than np's. I flow better with nps, and my pts usually have better outcome. PAs overthink things, hesitates, and are often afraid to utilize their autonomy to the full extent.

[@waliahwyatt2659]

Ha ha ha!

[@candyjones4841]

I was sold with P.A. until u said u have to work under a physician at all times.

[@pestleandmortarmedical5400]

4 states have graduated independence similar to NP's currently. Additionally, "work under a physician at all times" is simply not the case. States have passed numerous legislation to enact collaboration agreements.

[@Valeriax20xCabrera]

awwee you're so adorable! 😩😩 with your chubby cheeks and long eyelashes🤩

[@andynonymous6769]

Yeah he’s a looker

[@sondersrn8061]

California NP will be able to work independently 1/2023

[@pestleandmortarmedical5400]

Chiropractors have Full Autonomy as well and don't practice medicine either. I'll run through the #1 NP school curriculum to prove a point if contested.

[@christianjenkins6075]

Nursing experience is BY NO MEANS required to go to NP school. virtual degree mills my guy

[@tristanskipworth4377]

Did he really just say first 2 years of med school crammed into two years?🤦🏻‍♂️

[@1911beauty]

Now let's talk about how hard it is to get a spot in a nursing program.🙄 All of this shyt is political. Nursing is a practical field and they keep the salaries high because they keep people out of the rn programs. When I was in high school we had LPN programs at the high school. Now that high school only offers CNA programs.

[@alohaazzie8462]

NPs don’t have to have a BSN to become one, there are direct entry programs

[@WillKellyNP]

Aloha Azzie sunce RN-MSN bridge programs are not the norm I did not focus on this. Many of these programs do confer both a BSN and MSN though, but not all!

[@bryndrson8289]

@@WillKellyNP Most PA programs aren't bridge programs either

[@sohaibsaleem8022]

KÖSEM

[@armandosolis3560]

You left out in your comparison they're both known as mid-level. Little important factor there Bud. Come on now. Family NURSE Practioner. You're still a Nurse. Rolling eyes....

[@sohaibsaleem8022]

KOSEM 👑 VALIDE SULTAN .. VALIDE KABEER SULTANA

[@isabellateny5084]

Thank God I finally passed my FNP test on my 3rd attempt with the help of Mr DAVID, I used his preparation tips. just 3 days of working with him and I passed. I was referred to him by a friend before my exams. Please friends I recommend you to mr DAVID. The man has the key to getting your exam.

[@isabellateny5084]

I will recommend working with him , he has key questions and answers for the test, get his infos from my channel

[@joeyfrmtheblock1735]

Aw you’re handsome

[@sohaibsaleem8022]

KOSEM SULTAN stood like a hurricane 🌀 losing her child friends father infront of her eyes and lastly for the person she returned to palace again after escaping She lost SULTAN AHMET she was EXiled so many times by Osman ,Halime Sultan , God was with HER SHE RULED LIKE A KING 👑 SHE DESERVED THAT NOT LIKE HURREM THE SNAKE poisonous woman

[@repentandacceptjesuschrist4162]

Jesus Christ loves you . He’s the only way to heaven and if you call upon his name and confess your sins you shall be saved 😊 John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this

[@yuliaaaaaaaaaaa]

Amen!!!!!!!!

[@rustie115]

Y'all consistently achieve the title of the most annoying genre of American.

[@andynonymous6769]

Christ you people are annoying. You realize nobody’s going to join your stupid cult just because you posted a comment about it on KZbin right?

[@dfwdfw9544]

It makes so little sense to have NPs and PAs. It should be one profession. not two.

[@chandlersleziak6416]

@DFW DFW Actually there is a reason that NPs and PAs exist as separate positions. PAs are more close to physicians, meanwhile Nurse Practitioners are not only healthcare providers, but are also licensed nurses.

[@barbaramccoy7032]

No

[@barbaramccoy7032]

No