Archery in Mulan Live Action Trailer?

Is Mulan using the right technique?
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[@selfreliancelife9133]

I was one of the Archer in the imperial army in the film and we did get taught how to use to bow the right way. Why the lead actress used the 3 finger draw? I have no idea. But at the end of the day its a Disney movie.

[@GrasshopperKelly]

"We didn't have the budget for a historical expert" Oh? What's Google charging these days?

[@O4C209]

Too bad no one working on any of these $100+ million movies bothered to watch your channel for a half hour before filming. Appreciate the great work.

[@maxmustsleep]

yeah any google research would have done the job.. and i get that if mulan doesnt need to know that, but you see an army of bowmen in the trailer, somebody must have looked up anything about bows/archery

[@dace48]

Hollywood: We don't bother writing decent plots or dialogue any more because as long as the action sequences are exciting no one cares. *Proceeds to make every action sequence ever wrong*

[@eigelgregossweisse9563]

They probably did.

[@MegaloGater]

1:58 *very nervously watches the top of the bow as the bowstring is only partly in the nock* 2:54 *eyes open wide, holds breath* 4:06 *flinches, grinds teeth in agonizing nervousness* 7:00 *nothing happened luckily, takes deep breath* nuuu be careful, accidental unstringing hurts both to feel and to watch >.

[@NUSensei]

I noticed it when I unstrung it. Yeaah~~

[@MegaloGater]

@@NUSensei Happens. Gladly nothing bad happened :) nice video anyways!

[@BrianCx]

This! I was just going to comment on it! I completely blanked out everything once I saw this.

[@hmmm6317]

@@NUSensei what brand of bow is that?

[@Edward24081]

Glad I'm not the only one who was worried about that.

[@glitchysquid1137]

As soon as I saw her death grip I was like, "NUSensei would be so disappointed" lol

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

One thing about historical authenticity is that not every historical person knew the proper technique of their time either. But since that shot looks like Mulan is supposed to appear capable there, it's fair criticism.

[@Intranetusa]

Historically, physically smaller people and people who didn't know how to shoot bows wouldn't have been given bows...but rather relegated to logistics or equipped with melee weapons such as polearms that didn't require nearly as much training. For example, there is a Warring States era text that stated the following: ”The basic rule of warfare that should be taught is that men of short stature should carry spears and spear-tipped halberd, the tall should carry bows and crossbows, the strong should carry the flags and banners, the courageous should carry the bells and the drums, the weak should serve in logistics, while the wise should be involved in planning." -Wu Qi

[@gentlestickman3680]

I've never had the opportunity to touch a bow or an arrow in my life but I find your content so interesting. Keep up the great work! Wish something like archery was more available in my country.

[@lonewolf8820]

Try this kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJ7bn2CkhbObj5o The fiberglass rods are called road markers. Hope you can come to enjoy the great sport of archery.✌

[@adamforbes1019]

What? Every country has archery. Where are you where you have a difficult time finding archery?

[@adamforbes1019]

@Ben Ruckus Then you should ditch your current instructor, and find yourself a real coach. Any good instructor will teach you all the proper fundamentals.

[@adamforbes1019]

@Ben Ruckus Also, how is archery expensive? Yes, there is the initial cost of the bow, arrows, etc. But once you get past that, the cost turns into nearly $0 You can order all your gear online. Just find yourself a good instructor.

[@VivalaryMan]

@Ben Ruckus have you considered moving?

[@rijodel]

In the trailer, it seems that Mulan don't shoot a real arrow. She only do dry fires. The arrows are put after, by digital software

[@zetacrucis681]

he did say the arrows are probably CGI

[@Maka556]

For good reason, as actually throwing projectiles around can be dangerous to people or equipment.

[@WanneSomeSoup]

The string is probably fake too. She pulled it back so effortlessly.

[@zetacrucis681]

@@WanneSomeSoup she's probably fake too...

[@mihaideatcu6155]

It's a Disney draw :)

[@shimata17]

a Disney PRINCESS draw...

[@diegoleo1279]

So at the last, mulan is still a princess....

[@credinzel6996]

Gaston drwwing his bow by using his index and middle finger while the arrow is on the right side of his bow.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

The 3 finger draw on either side of the bow can be used to draw heavy warbows, especially if the archer lost her thumb ring or has a broken thumb. The arrow can rest on either side. There is no right or wrong technique. Both works. I will make videos demonstrating that. At 140lbs I can shoot straight on either side of the bow. This style is called Persian draw. You actually apply a moment towards the bow shelf similar to your thumb. We need to open our minds. And everything ur stating is really nick picking a Disney film that doesn't care about what archers think

[@Daylon91]

You just f+£kin won comment of the month!! At least

[@spencerdavis867]

because i watch your channel i now critique archery in games/movies i see and it makes my friends mad

[@SteelBuckeye]

They can screw up the archery in the movie. I am okay with that. But she better go to McDonald’s at least once and get nuggets with Mulan sauce.

[@Peter-ve6kz]

John L , I understood that reference.

[@coen555]

Thats her movies ark.

[@jungleng]

This is quite annoying because there was an archer on set who was teaching actors to use the thumb draw. I wonder why the main actress didn't get the memo.

[@boygenius538_8]

He tried but she sent him to to Chinese concentration camps for daring to question the Communist Party.

[@gregorytetz4617]

@@boygenius538_8 😂

[@MickyNash79]

Although I do not practice archery, I find your channel very interesting and informative. I have seen many videos and I would like to try a recurve bow someday, it looks fantastic. I'm not interested in the reasons why youtube recommended your channel a couple of weeks, I love it. Thank you very much.

[@drakefang8368]

You're the first one to tell me about Mulan film. No one in my notifications or subscriptions would bother about that. Thanks i guess.

[@adamforbes1019]

You all are lucky to be living in an area where you can do archery. I used to live near a large indoor archery facility. Now I live in Washington, D.C. where there are no indoor facilities, we cannot shoot in our backyards, even against a solid windowless brick wall.

[@DerekBartlettBeorn]

5:02 - 5:10 Do you use the Slavic draw in any of your other videos/practice sessions? One thing I learned from using the Slavic is that your hand is positioned that way to really divide the strain/tension. When I've used it, I have all three fingers under the arrow (instead of two like the illustration in Saracen Archery) with two extra arrows between my first two fingers, and the thumb holding the nocks down to avoid dropping them. So basically every finger is doing something and it takes a lotta pressure off.

[@datGuy0309]

There’s a video on the robin hood archery that talks about the draw. They used slavic because robin hood adapted to the arabic style, as you can see by the bow, but slavic is easier to change to from Mediterranean so he went with that.

[@rossmcleod7983]

That giant jade plant is really flowering it’s head off and nice to see you got around to the mowing....it’s the little things.....you are my favourite archery nerd too.

[@kaikart123]

4:06 that plucking though

[@jessholz3268]

Thank you for accuracy...it is always so nice to see and know put things in perspective of correct history facts.... MULAN .... it is one of my favorite Disney movies if not the ONE a long with Brave (also an archer character) ....

[@jeffwalter2267]

Ues you have made a bowman out of me. I have learned more from your show than anyone in person. Thank you

[@PabloContrerasFotoviajante]

very interesting! Thanks for sharing

[@feralgrandad4429]

To quote my mate Dean in Brisbane "she is going to give them a Shoeing!"

[@SuperBeantank]

The cameraman just afraid the arrow will hit him so they take the safest way

[@antonengstrom6346]

I think it looks rubbish tbh. I mean it's not hard at all to actually make it look right. You don't even need a consultant, just google

[@MavenCree]

Literally no one who doesn't know about archery - ie, most people, can tell it's wrong. I'm a complete novice. I came here because I honestly couldn't see what, if anything, was wrong. Now I know. Most of the billions who see this, won't, nor will they care.

[@2adamast]

Putting the arrow left or the index finger on top of the arrow is hard in computer animation

[@williamberne]

FYI, the actors and director of that Robin hood movie were trained by Lars Anderson.

[@BodaciousWench]

‘Maybe I’ll make a bowman out of you’. Ba haha

[@ericrose2409]

Disney won't have anything new for years, hope they get it right when they remake Brave.

[@KerryBenton]

Love this. Bonus for all the tru-fan callouts throughout ;) I think the trailer looks pretty good all in all, and i'm excited for the film, but one never knows with Disney...

[@ludo_3484]

Another reason they have the arrow on the right side is because it makes shooting faster easier it makes it one motion instead of pulling the arrow putting it on the left side of the bow and then knocking it but when you put it on the right side then you get the arrow knock it and shoot it’s just faster

[@peternguyen1911]

"let's get down to business" I saw what you did there

[@zAqRpS13]

very interesting insights!

[@gpgpgpgp1000]

Thumbs up for Slavs! I didn't know we had a unique archery draw. I'm going to have to try that.

[@DerekBartlettBeorn]

Do you get good shots with the Slavic draw? Like what’s your anchor point if you use it on a target?

[@skaramicke]

In the Robin Hood movie, the actor was trained by Lars Andersson!

[@JanPospisilArt]

The arrow is for sure CG, because it doesn't actually go between her fingers, there's no gap for it.

[@justagerman140]

Perfect intro

[@blairhayden8955]

As a film fan I was actually impressed with this trailer. Film being my first love (archery second). What I liked (and was frankly surprised by) was how the film had the same look and feel and more recent Chinese film epics. RED CLIFF, BATTLE OF THE WARRIORS, THREE KINGDOMS: RESURRECTION OF THE DRAGON, with a little more Hollywood feel, something akin to Zhang Yimoue's THE GREAT WALL. I really don't care much about Disney one way or another, and happily skip ALADDIN, BEAUTY AND THE BEAST and what ever else they are remaking, but over all this teaser got me interested. As for the archery, first thing I noticed was Mulan's draw hand haha. Regardless, good video Nu. Side question: You mention a lot of films in your videos, what are some of your favorite movies? Just asking out of curiosity.

[@ethanium9280]

You looks very good with those beard. Please keep it.

[@abnunga]

Have you seen Hero, the 2002 movie? I've wanted to know for a long time if they ever used bows like that in history - huge bows where one man lies on his back and pulls the string with both arms, and has the bow braced against his feet, another man loads the arrows in. D:

[@andy.robinson]

They looked awesome. I'd like to know too.

[@orionthegsp]

Liked in the first 30 seconds purely for the song references.

[@davestewart3402]

I like the new tag line at the end.

[@392redienhcs]

Great feedback, as always! The movie is a year from release and they released this trailer way way ahead of schedule to get feedback from potential viewers so that they can correct what they can. I got it from Grace Randolph (Beyond The Trailer) that they are doing reshoots at this time. If this criticism reaches the producers then they may take the time to correct it. And btw, are they really doing away with all that great OG music?

[@divine_Reaper]

I like that jacket

[@TrickiVicBB71]

This recommended to me in my KZbin. Thank you for your clear and detailed explanation on the techniques used in the trailer. Reminds me of Game of Thrones sword fighting. Looks nice, but is historically inaccurate.

[@brettkester1639]

Very informative. Thank you.

[@nic-hol-assgrain6574]

Lars andersan is worth checking out

[@DerekBartlettBeorn]

OH YEAH for sure. That picture of Taron Egerton with the forefinger on one side and thumb on the other---that's basically what Lars does (REALLY gotta slow down the playback motion when trying to figure out his methods lol)

[@eqlzr2]

Thx, I was wondering about the archery in this movie. As perhaps an interesting sidelight, people here who work for Disney have often said they work at Maus-schwitz. ;-)

[@DerekBartlettBeorn]

My guess is---just movie-wise---is that like you said "pinch hard enough" and pulling the string diagonally to the right (since you can see she pulls it all the way back). Maybe another shot will show her having her thumb on the left side of the nock to push it a little more. I've done it before, but yeah just a guess. What do you think, NUSensei? At least it's been established that using a broadsword is her signature weapon anyway throughout the upcoming movie.

[@NUSensei]

I'd say unlikely. It's a CGI arrow, for perhaps a single shot. I've heard that the extras were trained to shoot correctly, but I doubt that the actress received any specific training to execute correct technique, nor does it matter it the context of the film. It's not such a glaring problem like the Sonic movie.

[@DerekBartlettBeorn]

Oh yeah definitely, no criticism there. If the extras were taught, awesome 👏 That’ll be cool to see. But yeah not that big a deal for one quick thing. (Besides, that right there would be a CGI arrow either way since she’s shooting downrange)

[@vojinvmilojkovic7622]

Will Disney do anything good? They should have hired you : D tho movie as movie looks better then other reboots they did earlier Mushu ♥

[@desto13c]

This is very educational! Thank you. Well that's just a movie... So... yeah, movie.

[@ArK047]

So glad you commented on this.

[@MrOvidiuk]

I don't care, what is important is that Mulan to look sexy

[@kowalski363]

Great video

[@Kaylielffxi]

Love the puns! Good stuff. Movie looks great in my opinion

[@cjtrules1]

Maybe the way Mulan is drawing the bow shows her inexperience with archery.

[@isaihbrown5598]

The movie will be awesome

[@jharchery4117]

I think it is indicative of the laziness and arrogance of our entertainment industry. They strive for suspension of disbelief, and then serve up garbage, assuming that their audience is too stupid to notice. I will not be seeing the film. I was tortured enough with the cartoon through my daughter's adolescent years. Great review. Thanks.

[@jharchery4117]

@@ULTRAOutdoorsman I think that, for a company like Disney that bends over backward to be politically correct, they are downright racist when it comes to not getting stuff historically accurate about Chinese culture. I know we are talking about a children's movie, but darn it, you can't just throw some ridiculous "Oriental" (oriental used for emphasis here) looking crap together and not appear either grossly ignorant or too superior to care.

[@Joker-yw9hl]

Good stuff

[@ShidenByakko]

Finally someone else talks about Asian Archery and how it's different, not "...wrong..." This is the 1 thing I get annoyed with and how everyone and I do mean **WAAAY** too many people get on whatever fora and insist there's only 1 style of archery...

[@catspaw3092]

now that's interesting I've always wanted to learn archery how long have you been doing archery NUSensi? Hollywood needs to hire archery experts when doing scenes involving the bow why not get NUSensi to show them how it's done he knows his stuff.

[@Karpata1]

Not gonna lie I didn't know about it until this video.

[@yanagelfand4337]

She also grips the string so tightly, doesn't she? She holds it in an actual fist! And what about the place of her right hand? It is... okay to hold it randomly in the air, without touching any part of your face?

[@neocomp92]

Han Dynasty setting? Somehow I should be expecting a Zhu Ge Nu or two

[@clementj]

Well, that's what you get when you don't have Lars Andersen as a consultant LOL.... Kidding aside, that's the first thing I noticed in the teaser and thought you'd probably make a video about it.... and here we are :D

[@cikenot90]

I don't really like what Lars did to archery, but in Robin Hood he did a good job consulting the team regarding the use of slavic draw. They even explain it in the movie why Robin use slavic instead of thumb or 3-fingers draw.

[@Thachsanh]

@@cikenot90 If you look careful at the clip from Lars when he trained the new Robin Hood you will see a weir mix of both Slavic draw and Med draw just like what Mulan is doing, so, I think Lars may have responsible for the new Mulan as well, lol, kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIaTp6udn6eBeLc

[@greenhoodedvigilante458]

There's another type of thumb draw, thumb under the arrow, index finger on left side and middle on right side. Please make separate videos about other draw techniques as you made for meditarian and thumb draw.

[@thorandug]

anyone else notice that the arrow is just cgi'd in and is literally going through her pointer finger

[@aesop2733]

Maybe she was holding the string with 4 fingers because she didn't want to loose an arrow by accident on set

[@NUSensei]

The actors don't have arrows. They dry-fire the bows and use CGI afterwards.

[@luverneanimatics8769]

That's what the first thing I saw on that trailer as well and thinking if you will do a reaction on it, then voila there it is hehehe.

[@techorsegg]

Where can I get this jacket? It looks real nice.

[@rogue3198]

Love your videos,where can I find that Qin dynasty bow you use in the video?

[@archer3813]

Btw... Isn't that string looks a bit loose at the top? Kinda scares me O_O

[@kramerkramer1000]

Maybe easier to put in the CGI effects using the four dinger draw.

[@tjenahoj]

Moustache looking good man! :)

[@rajgill7576]

Yeee rock those whiskers bro

[@dace48]

Although the Chinese historical archery methods are very interesting and relatively well-documented I would be interested in seeing the variations used by other cultures. I think there is a lot of focus on Chinese, Korean and Japanese archery but I'd be interested in seeing videos about others. I know that Tibetan and Bhutanese thought archery very important, what about Vietnam?

[@fernandovillaman3580]

OMG if the arrow is made using CGI, then she is probably dry firing the bow. Ouch

[@NUSensei]

It's likely a prop bow made from PVC, with an elastic band.

[@Steevee5k]

Just take a look at where Mulan's eyes are directed and where the arrow is pointed to. It's way off. Totally regardless of her not using an anchor point at all.

[@CV_CA]

The movie makers should hire a consultant to show them how to do it right.

[@Thachsanh]

Here is my take on this one. In the trailer, she is doing speed shooting with that technique. Now, I know a lot of us still remember that we have seen this technique before, including NU Sensei, just need to refresh your memory a little. My opinion only but I think it makes senses. We have Lars to thank for this technique. He is doing speed shooting with this exact technique. He claimed to re-discover the way warriors of the past use their bows so, may be Disney bought it? Who know! Oh hey, he trained the new Robin Hood, so I would not surprise he trained new Mulan too, kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIaTp6udn6eBeLc

[@mygetawayart]

To give the movie the benefit of the doubt, she might be at the beginning of her training, she has not only the wrong draw technique but she's keeping the arrow way too far from her face, with no anchor point, maybe indicating some fear as she starts using the bow. Maybe she's using it wrong on purpose to look like an inexperienced archer.

[@jackryan148]

I don't know if this is historic but I have shot a bow with the arrow on the right with a 3 finger draw by flipping my hand upside down so my thumb was on the bottom and my knuckles were against my cheek. and it was reasonably comfortable and accurate

[@silvonias3985]

Did anyone else notice the draw of her hand was quite far from her face? Seems hard to aim when your arrow is drawn away from your line of sight.

[@silvonias3985]

I'm surprised he didn't comment on it in the video.

[@NUSensei]

@@silvonias3985 Movies have a habit of gifting their characters with instinctive precision. I had it in the back of my mind, but it wasn't worth nitpicking on at this point.

[@shimata17]

I like your bow glove. Where did you get your bow glove? Its a nice bow glove...

[@UTxTheArchangel]

That is a sexy bow, I want it. lol

[@RFRD777]

It looks like your string is somehow sitting below the string nock on your Manchu bow there, what's going on with that? Is that a second nock for a stringer??

[@AT-gh9js]

Doubt any part of Hollywood cares about accuracy because 1) not enough people will know about the historical accuracy (nor care to find out) 2 they do things that they think will look cool (no matter if it works). An example is firing multiple arrows at once to take out several bad guys (maybe that can be done and done with consistent results. I don’t know) or cutting a rope with an arrow or bullet (hitting would be hard enough but to cut the rope, not going to happen , esp with only one shot) but it’d look cool

[@cordisdie5578]

Wow fast response to trailer

[@cameronstewart6636]

Nice opening/closing with Mulan homages/puns. The archery in Brave (2012) was so beautiful, the archery in live action Mulan...5/10. Robin Hood 2018-ish 2/10 (both of those points were from using Jeorg Sprave's weapon designs).

[@2adamast]

The archery in Brave was totally unrealistic, with such large arrow heads she should have missed the targets

[@lubossoltes321]

Ok, I have watched the trailer ... please have a look at the archery section at 0.25 speed ... I love how the 2nd arrow just JUMPS into her hand out of nowhere .... and I will not comment on her release, she'd not hit the spot she's aiming at ever with that kind of release ...

[@stevenzoller7201]

That's a pretty cool bow. Any information on where someone could purchase one?

[@renecarballo5831]

They should do the MAD JACK movie and they should hire you as an advisor.

[@rms1034]

You basically said it all. I'm glad that they used Chinese bows at least but I was a bit disappointed as well when I saw that they had shown the arrow on the correct side of the bow but with her doing the incorrect draw with using the Mediterranean draw rather than an Asiatic thumb draw

[@acsimark]

I do horsearchery right sided flip load and mediterian draw. Plausible. But were is her 2nd arrow coming from? :D

[@kaltziferYT]

Where is the slavic draw video?

[@johan.ohgren]

First thing I notice is that her drawhand is way of to the side. Can't imagine that resulting in a good shot.

[@kencaz]

You would think that even a slightly competent Archery consultant would have caught this... But, then again, this is the movie industry...

[@DerekBartlettBeorn]

4:39 5:54 The Slavic draw, the finger creating what Saracen Archery calls the "Sassanid lock" and/or the 'Slav' is my choice grip nowadays. Gotten better groupings with it in just a few months practice than after a few years with the classic three finger draw. Sounds weird, right? Cause the aiming angle changes and such, especially using the ear as an anchor instead of the corner of your mouth? But yeah lol it packs a major punch.

[@Cysubtor_8vb]

Been wondering lately, would I, as a tall archer with a long draw length, be able to use a smaller recurve bow with less string pinch if I used thumb draw? This being a bow with the rest/grip/etc setup properly and not randomly switching with a typical right-handed ILF bow. Not that I necessarily want to permanently change styles either, but, if I was dabble in thumb draw, would bow size mean less or at least be more forgiving?

[@dace48]

This is something that I have struggled with in the past. In the end I just used a heavier shooting glove to protect my fingers and I save thumb draw for shooting Asiatic bows. But in theory there is no reason why this wouldn't work. However you would have two options; to shoot off the thumb side which would mean buying new bows ( a left handed bow if you're right handed so that the window is on the opposite side to normal) or shooting the modern Mongolian way with the arrow still on the knuckles but the index finger of the draw hand keeping the arrow in place. I am assuming that by "forgiving" you mean only in relation to string pinch.

[@johnyricco1220]

Not too late to CGI the Instant Genghis Khan arrow magazine in there