Attn World: The KelTec SU-16 Does Not Suck

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TNPrs are stoked when I re-visit and update reviews on firearms. However I don't do this arbitrarily; it has to be warranted. The KelTec SU-16 qualifies. Being one of the first tactical carbines I reviewed, it has always ranked very highly on my list. The SU-16 series is very reliable, accurate enough, super lightweight, and durable. And yet "tactical elite" say it's not good enough. So we have done about ten years of shooting of the SU-16 for this updated review. The ballots are in and we look at again critically at the KelTec offering. Has its image been tarnished with more competition or does it shine bright as ever?

[@MTR702]

I'm dying when you said, "most of the guys on the internet thinks they're getting flown into Taliban territory for a 30 day firefight" 😂😂😂

[@Beast-mo9bu]

It's that fantasy that energizes the tactical guns and gear market though. "Hey, I might just be that .1% guy!"

[@MrDanielWP]

+Beast63 You don't have to be a wannabe operator to have a use for a tactical gun. It sounds like you're either a FUDD or a gun control person.

[@hubolds1946]

To be fair though, he makes fun of that guy and yet this is the majority of the content of his channel and following.

[@MrDanielWP]

+Hubolds1 I can't recall any videos in which nutn shows how to fight the taliban for 30 days unsupported.

[@chad_8313]

I want something more than a plastic waffle molded rifle that flexes when I grip it. Kel-tec feels cheap, it looks cheap, and I'd be shocked if it can hold up to the abuse of more reputable designs and manufacturers.

[@firearms-explosives]

I personally have a great deal of respect for your honest reviews and lack of pretension . thank you for your contributions.

[@nutnfancy]

Hide your head in shame or carry yourself proudly? In some quarters, especially on the often ego-rife internet, saying you're a fan of the KelTec SU-16 is asking for a flame war. You be told how uninformed and foolish you are for your choice and the get a "real gun." But like many things on the internet, the information is off and has agendas. Derived from a decade of shooting these SU-16s, perhaps it's time for an updated TNP review. Grab the popcorn on this feature length GRV and let's get to the truth! -nutnfancy actual

[@joepodkalicki]

+schuylery I agree with that sentiment. Its nice to see new designs!

[@MatteoSixSeventyFour]

I'm no gun snob. Nor am I a Kel-Tec hater. I own 2 RFB's. With an RDB on order with my LGS. I absolutely love my RFB's. However I have zero love for the SU-16/PLR-16. And my distaste is with due cause. When the bolt carrier of the SU-16/PLR-16 travels back to far on a cold day. Or any day. And bounces off the back of the receiver. Causing a catastrophic failure by breaking the receiver. Snapping the material just below the upper receiver to lower receiver joint. Then you'll be extremely leery of this rifle too. And I'm not the only one to have experienced this exact same_"phenomenon"_ either. So while some ppls experiences will be very positive with the SU/PLR-16. Mine have placed this rifle (_SU-16C _) in the category of dangerous junk!

[@hiwayman64]

well I would have to shoot one but I like the thought of getting one and trying it out some day

[@bmstylee]

+schuylery it's nice to see new ideas but they have to redesign the gun 8 times after they release it for sale to fix all the problems (ksg, pmr30).

[@Mycolddeadhand]

CA Republic here, great and so far reliable option out here and great price compared to the mini 14 out here where $800.00 is starting point for those. And yes, I own mini(s) and ARs as well and I still stand by my statement.

[@bimbim18ok]

My first rifle. SU-16C. 10 years Active Duty Army (9 of which I was an armorer), went to the sandbox with an M16A2.After I decided to buy a rifle I spent 2 years doing homework on rifles, learning about AR15's, all the options available for the platform and all the ins and outs (yes an M16 is an AR15, but an AR15 is not an M16). More than happy with it.I had some things I disliked about it. spent a little time and money on it and love it now. Things I recommend for anyone who owns the 16C. Polish the sear/trigger. replace the rear peep with a Tech Sight rear sight (I bought just the base and a few parts and made a custom M16A2 type rear sight) and a sling. I did have a problem where the barrel came misaligned from the factory (causing my zero to be to the far left limit of the peep sight). I sent it back to Kel-Tec and they fixed it. Never had any issues with it, lightweight, compact (27 inches folded with my M4Sd II) Love it. Light weight makes it way easier to make consistant standing long range shots and easy enough for my son to shoot standing unsupported.

[@VLK-73]

How is the cheek weld when using optics on this stock configuration if you don't mind me asking?

[@bimbim18ok]

@@VLK-73 My SU-16C is very heavily modified but very minimalistic so there's less parts to fail (keeping a light-weight reliability theme). No Optics, I use a self-made sight system that's pretty much half parts from the 'tech-sights' SU-16 aftermarket sight system, the other half of the parts from an aftermarket M16-A2 sight system for the rear so it keeps the low 1" height over bore the SU-16C comes with, but it's adjustable with just knobs and without tools. Front sight post is a modified meprolight AR-15 tritium AR-15 sight post (They're not the same but an AR15 front sight post is easy to dremel down to fit the SU-16). With a 1" Height Over Bore (versus an AR15's typical 1.5"-1.6" HOB) I have to lean my head very low and tilt it forward a lot to get sight picture but that also says a lot considering I'm a pretty short dude (5'5"). It doesn't bother me. If you plan on running a red dot it will NOT co-witness. That being said I would consider a riser for a more upright head position if I went that route. I run a 2.26" height over bore on my AR15, about a 3/4" riser under my red dot but different uses. My AR is a CQB set-up, I don't plan on ever shooting it prone, while my SU-16 feels at home in the prone. There are also hollow risers you can see through that you should be able to use your irons as backups with if your red-dots fail.

[@findingabe]

Greetings from SoCal. I got the su16ca and this Rifle is AWESOME! LOUD AND PROUD! This thing loves cheap ammo!

[@tigergray1100]

Jay J you have this rifle?

[@freddieriojas6818]

Any jams to this day

[@josephjones192]

Good gun or not get to it

[@kennethhudson8013]

You mean Newsome allows guns in California?

[@joetroy2904]

If only cheap ammo still existed 😭

[@mc_outdoors3186]

Pretty sure KelTec has addressed the front sight issues on the Gen 2 Sub 2000....though after about 500 rounds through mine, I have yet to have an issue. Runs flawless with Tula, Wolf, Monarch, and Brown Bear ammo as well as with my own reloads. Definitely a fun gun to shoot!

[@13noman1]

I picked up one of these ~ 5 years ago as my first 5.56 rifle and never regretted it. One of the things I really like about it (besides its compact size and light weight) is the reliability. I've intentionally neglected it (and a subsequent piston AR) for ~ 7-8 months during a move and then took 'em out to the range just to see how they tolerated neglect. The SU-16 just up and fired without a hiccup; my AR didn't care for the neglect. Yup, bug out POU indeed!

[@alphanumeric1529]

I remember when I was shopping for a rifle, I was in California, and I tried the SU-16 CA it was so light, then I picked up some AK variant, can't recall which, and it was literally twice as heavy. So crazy.

[@samuelhirosky4797]

It's a really nice utility gun. Like, not necessarily a modern sporting rifle, or a hunting rifle, but a utility rifle. It can be used for just about anything

[@bertolfyn]

One nice feature he forgot to mention is that the CA model can carry a 30 round USGI mag in the buttstock intead of the two 10 round mags. Bottom plate facing toward trigger, and rounded side down. With a mag coupler and the magazine in the stock, you could have 90 rounds when you pick up the gun for home defense.

[@nutnfancy]

Dang, man. I can't believe I haven't tried this yet! -TD

[@franktheweinerburke]

90 rounds for a home defense rifle? surely you jest. feel free to post an account of someone using a rifle with a 30 round magazine for home defense who had to do a mag change. and don't try and twist it into some type of anti-gun argument on my side, I'm in no way saying you shouldn't be allowed to run a home defense rifle with six 40 round p mags. I'm saying it's stupid to do so.

[@bertolfyn]

I would rather have enough or more than needed than be found lacking. Since I won't be hiking with the thing, the weight is not an issue. When you hear that noise down stairs you never know what you are walking into. In this area there are many accounts of home invasion robberies where you will be encountering 3-6 home invaders. It is highly unlikely I would be able to stop 6 invaders with 6 rounds. While this doesn't translate to home defense, keep in mind the US General Accounting Office says the military used 250,000 rounds per kill in Iraq and Afghanistan. So 90 seems reasonable to me.

[@Jesses001]

Na, if you pick up your rifle when something goes bump in the night, but then suddenly find yourself in a run for your life situation, you are running away with a rifle and 90 rounds of ammo.

[@Jesses001]

I just mentioned that, but seeing your post, I deleted mine. It works great. Even without the couple, 60 rounds is a lot of that on the rifle ready to rock and roll.

[@samfoster709]

Nutn! Thank you for this feature length update on my tactical carbine. Up in Canada, these are easier to get, and has fewer restrictions for transportation and storage than an AR, so for my POU, it's a great gun. It's great to hear you talk about it!

[@davereevs3397]

Canada likes the su16 as unlike the ar15 it is unrestricted.

[@MangoJam420]

Well, unless you're getting an SU-16a, it will still be restricted due to barrel length :(

[@willshaw3561]

Its fucking awesome boys

[@m2redshirt]

@jmalcolmg123 yeah, this one didn't get banned

[@gcart5619]

@The Trashman no its cause they havent came around to "banning" it yet they want al guns/weapons etc that are related "banned" its just a matter of time if we keep allowing them to say we cant have certain things instead of using the second amendment as intended to fight back physically against tyranny cause tyrants dont care unless made to by force not by voting or talking to them etc like that

[@gcart5619]

@@MangoJam420 if you allow them to tell you that you mean instead of actually fighting back physically like the second amendment intends cause tyrants dont care unless made to by force not by voting or talking to them etc like that

[@ratherbecamping5564]

I getting one of these for sure! for us in Canada, these are great as they are classified as non-restricted meaning we can take them out in the bush and shoot unlike an AR-15 wich can only go to the range and home.. Great video brother!

[@MF-rtard89]

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[@bradleypersefield6709]

I got mine after watching this video 1000 times for 550 bucks. Haters can stop hating this rifle is amazing. First time shooting I hit a target the size of a melon from 50 yards away with the iron sights. The two guys I was with were surprised. The trigger is awesome in my opinion

[@SergeantRed9]

Nutnfancy, you just sold another SU16CA for Keltec!

[@Istop82]

Nutnfancy, I've bought a few products base on your recommendation and have not been disappointed. Ty, keep it up.

[@lewisa4481]

The first su 16 video and many others of yours arguably started my expensive love for firearms. I started watching at 13, I'm 23 now thanks brotha.

[@danmeek928]

I have a CelTec P 17 for my defense gun in my home. Have neighbors property very close on all four sides and that concerns me about traveling out of the house and hitting somebody else. I love the P17 with a 22 long rifle round

[@user-dv8ge8hf1o]

Sold mu SU16 a while back to a Buddy who really wanted it. Still regret it! I carried their PF9mm for years. I've found them to be 100% reliable! Keep them coming Nutn!

[@Liam-B]

The thing I really like about Su-16's is the pragmatism of the design. Plus something about a 30 round magazine + a wrist grip grabs my eye. Great video!

[@MindBodySoulOk]

My SU-16C rocks. Never jams, accurate, light as a feather and super compact. Takes a 30rd mag with the stock folded. Don't use tapco, other plastic mags, use aluminum mags. They allow for the butt to fit over the mag when you collapse it.

[@anarchocowboy]

Can it fold and unfold with the 40 round mags inserted?

[@Genesis23OPB]

@@anarchocowboy i wouldnt think so, if you look at it collapsed with the 30r, there is not that much of space to start with. so a 40r probably doesnt work.

[@shanelindquistjr.3723]

Such a underrated gun, absolutely love it. Like a modern mini 14

[@wonderbread1975]

Because I watched these video's (and the few other on the tube) and did some more research, I decided to go with the "Charlie" model. They were difficult to find a few years ago, but I think I received a decent price. It is a very fine weapon! It's so lightweight, yet surprisingly solid (especially with stock out), plus the mags fit well, and are easy to install, etc, etc... It's accurate enough, no jams (so far), Thanks Nutn, for these great videos! p.s. I also had a Keltec pistol long ago, that truly sucked. I'm glad that gun didn't cloud my future decisions...

[@Forrest_Gee]

Thanks for speaking the truth in the sea of lies on the internet Nutnfancy! I just bought both the Kel-Tec SU-16C and the SU-22C because of your reviews, I love them!

[@Crazypitbull16]

Finally after a year of looking for one, I found a SU16CA in OD green! Had to have it 🔥

[@MegaHellstrike]

Living in Austria severely limits one's options on firearms of this kind, we're definitely no semi auto rifle kinda culture, but after your glowing review of the SU 16 I decided to take the discount offer of one seller here that sold a SU 16 CA for 750€. I'm extremely frugal with money but for a while I've wanted to own a decent rifle, just as a form of insurance should society actually collapse one day. Took the rifle out to a range yesterday for the first time, not a single issue within the first 120 rounds I've shot with it! (Didn't get more shots in in my time slot, austrian gun ranges suck lol) EDIT: About 1200 rounds in now and I am loving this rifle! The only two malfunctions I've had overall were failures to feed and that only on the stock magazines. It's a rifle you have to put some work in to get it up to a certain standard: - rear iron sights are not ideal so you could either just deal with them (and add threadlocker to the windage screws), get the aftermarket Tech Sights for about 70$ or just get an optic. - get Magpul P-Mags! Stock mags are handy but I wouldn't trust my life on their reliability, I'm planning to ditch them in favor of a small first aid kit in the stock instead. - gotta DIY a picatinny rail on the handguard if you want to mount a light on it If you're living outside the US you might be SOL when it comes to buying Kel Tec parts. I've wanted to buy the sling adapter from Kel Tec but they don't deliver outside the US, when I asked them where I could get it in Europe they told me to contact a certain wholeseller which then informed me that they don't sell to individuals and waiting times for Kel Tec parts can be up to two years. Made a classic M16 style sling adapter from 2 nylon dog collars for 2€ and fixed that problem haha

[@mgsharnhorst]

Great video....love your work. I have the CA model and love it. It has been completely reliable and it's fun to shoot. It is a special purpose rifle ...a niche rifle imo. Mine weighs 4lbs 12oz (no optic, no mags no sling) and folds up to a compact 24 inches. Great for the boat, trailer, RV, truck or pack. I painted mine with Krylon camo paint for a few bucks. Turned out pretty good and when it wears off, I will re-paint it.

[@inversionlayer]

This feature length Nutnfancy production harbingers the start of a great weekend; farm eggs, sourdough toast, melon and a locally produced sausage link. Thank you for the upload and effort. I really enjoyed the Living in Van series.

[@MacIraq]

God that sounds good

[@nutnfancy]

That DOES sound good. You're welcome. There's Zodiac adventure on the B Channel too posted today. Thanks bro.

[@ktd9]

Just ordered the C model....I liv in New York....And this Kel-Tec slips under the many draconian firearms laws of N.Y. 😀😎I love all ur Kel-Tec videos...really ALL ur videos...(ex paratrooper)

[@paratrooper629]

AATW!

[@Megames2012]

Thank you for getting to the SU-16c! I've been requesting almost every KZbinr to do a review on this beautiful gun! I was thinkng about getting it because it looks cool, it's a side charger, and it's lightweight.

[@chrisr7316]

One of these would be sweet for coyote and a trunk gun in a secondary vehicle

[@YarHarFD]

I've done all the mods. Aluminum forend, aluminum trigger job, finer sights, hand stop, muzzle brake..this thing shoots sub moa at 100 yards, probably more when I get better. Outstanding

[@YarHarFD]

Shoot 62+ grain ammo btw. 55gr is all over the place. 75gr was pin point

[@alphanumeric1529]

California is a beautiful state, but it is lost to the communists. Moved my family out a year and a half ago, live down the street from you now Nutn, and couldn't be happier. Seriously.

[@antvapes7620]

I envy you...

[@bertimusprime86]

kinda creepy...

[@kainhall]

i live in montana....which will, and has, fought any sort of gun control. due to how the contract with the US goverment was written when MT became a state, we have our own version of the 2nd amendment....if they, for example, try to say its only for militias, the contract would be null and void and MT would be an independent state. and we "have threatened to seceded" that way twice now. ive lived in Seattle and the twin cities, MN.... no thanks. just being able to do anything you want, have have the space to do it.... from old hot rods to 352 round assault mag clip rifles...

+kain hall - Sounds like a good alternative to Texas if I ever must leave.

[@alphanumeric1529]

sketchy roll I look in his window when he is editing these vids, I see all Nutn's videos first. 0.0 Now that is creepy!

[@druschel2000]

Has been my truck gun for years, light portable, No BS, and love it! 8 years and +2k rounds with 0 failures (admittedly I take care of my guns and do not beat up firearms needlessly...)

[@jrbirdman5917]

my favorite rifle and I am a former Marine. Nice work !

[@bardthebard420]

jr birdman would you feel comfortable with it under fire?

[@smackerage]

No such thing as a former marine. Questioning credibility

[@georgewhitworth9742]

Idk, there are former marines that say the M1A is the best rifle in the world...

[@Atharun18999]

I like that it's sits between the mini 14 and an AR 15. It has more Mini 14 elements but can take standard AR mags

[@truckerenoch8824]

Also the bipod grip can be replaced by an AR grip with zero modifications. There's also a company who will convert them to .300 blackout.

[@ryderkick3899]

Hey, the SU16B is Awesome!😀 I'd use it in a fight. I used a M16A2 in the gulf war, and M203, great if you love cleaning them every 30 mins

[@jareddavis1919]

I think that this would be a GREAT truck gun! It's relatively cheap, easy to store, light for long hiking, and relatively reliable.

[@krisguntner4805]

You know it seems to me with some minor improvements,mainly thickening of the furniture and parts to be more durable under combat conditions,this could actually be a very good military firearm. I'm surprised keltec hasn't made such a version and put it forward to countries for testing,particularly for countries who can't afford a AR,just as the AR 18 was supposed to do.

[@doublemeatjesus]

just shot mine for the first time after using your vids as research on it, it definitely does not suck, not a single jam or misfire on both the stock mags and p-mags, shot straight out of the box, hitting just a bit high. The thing is solid overall and im stoked to own one.

[@greygoose36]

Loved the "killed by a keltec" quote.. Lmao

[@PastorDanMoore]

I owned the SU-16 for a few years. It was accurate with irons and scope. My only negative was the built in bipod which I used once. I sold it so I could have the funds to build an AR. It is a good truck/trunk gun and I would own one again.

[@TheBeeperman]

I love the SU16c. So many good features and the only con I see is the hokey bipod handguard thing.

[@jblack5728]

Is it strange I put your videos up on my tv (Roku TV) at night and go to sleep with them? I dunno why but listening to you talk about a gun for an hour relaxes me lol

[@ericserobyan7973]

Nutn's poppin' out vids at 3am and I'm here to watch 'em XD

[@rharvey23]

I have the SU-16C, and yes it's part of my bug out gear. Along with a Beretta Storm subcompact. Not worried about extreme long range shooting. In an urban setting, I think 50 yards will probably be the range for shooting. But my first choice is to avoid fighting at all. But like a Boy Scout, Be Prepared.

[@1029jkemp]

The gen2 sub 2000 has done just fine for myself but I guess we are entitled to our own opinions

[@1029jkemp]

@@___meph___4547 mines broke fuck that thing lol

[@wwalker3738]

Having bought a SU-16 Ca compliant five years ago and living in CA. It now has over tenK rounds through it. I have only had many 15to 17 malfunctions and all of those are with steel cased ammo when the rifle was dirty as hell. She still head spaces with no way to close on a no-go or a field gauge. I replaced the springs at 7500 k rounds. Painting her in a home job Krylon forest pattern was perfect. Put a primary arms 5x ACSS scope in her and can hit out to six hundred yards consistently with the reticule only. Just wave a dope card written on the stock but know where to aim with out thinking. I only wish the bipod locked when open This is one Rifle that I will never get rid of. Just light and will fit in a tennis bag or a large back pack making travel unobtrusive and perfect for as a Bug out bag She weighs 6.9 lbs lbs with glass and three ten round which mags makes easy carry. The round stripper clips make for quick reloading of the mags. Shoots great with most 62gr brass ammo. Runs about 1.5 to 2.5 moa with glass depending on ammo. Best is with Home load 77 gr ammo or federal 68gr MK’s at just over 1 moa. Does it suck? Hell no no at all. More accurate than a lot of Ar’s.

[@tackleberry5402]

My only issue with this rifle is the price point. This rifle should not cost more than $500 in any configuration. $475 would be even better.

[@Murphy82nd]

How'd you come up with that price?

[@tackleberry5402]

+Murphy82nd Primarily because its mostly polymer, and a very simple design. As. comparison, here is how I see it myself: I see not a whole lot more material than a $99 forged aluminum AR lower, a barrel, and some cheap polymer furniture. If I can get an underfolder AK with a milled receiver with 2 magpul magazines for $600 flat, I should be able to get an SU 16 for $495 (LGS adjusted price). What are your thoughts, Murph? If you disagree, tell me why! :)

[@tackleberry5402]

+Murphy82nd and if 82nd means you were in/are in the 82nd airborne, thank you for your service, from myself and daughter.

[@Thermopylae2007]

Regrettably, the rifle would hold much potential in the Canadian market as it is classified as a regular firearm and not heavily regulated like an AR15 that has the same legal classification as a handgun. The problem however is that the Canadian version (with a 2" longer barrel for legal purposes) sold for $799 plus 13% tax, making it almost double your price point, and that's before our dollar dropped to about 2/3 the value of the USD. That's a lot to pay for a polymer rifle that doesn't feel very rugged in the hand, whatever its actual reliability. Another semi-auto that takes .223 with AR mags even in it's Canadian price point would probably become a best seller up here.

[@tackleberry5402]

+Thermopylae2007 I feel your pain brother... I really do. The sad thing is that Canada (and I'm generalizing here, because Canada is fucking huge, and contrary to most people's understanding, Canadians don't hang out at the same bar in "downtown Canada") is such a cool place, with such cool people, but politics wise, the ruling class wants to keep total control. Anything in the hands of the citizens that might be used to keep the elites in check must me outlawed. On the other hand, I'm jealous that you guys get such cheap SKS's. :)

[@walterdl2904]

It's 2020 and I took my CA model to the range again this week. I still love it and I still think of it as my go to long gun, home, truck, backpack. I upgraded the screws, replaced the take down pin with a lynch pin with ring, installed AK spring for the bipod and upgraded the trigger. I disagree with your favorite model. The CA is mine and the reason is two 10 round mags (or one 30) in the buttstock. Thanks for the videos.

[@scottskinner1256]

i have a keltec .32. I love it, i named it Keven. I trust it with my wife's life

[@stewpidasso288]

Keven... lol. Good one!

[@Mr.Autodelete]

I trust my wife with a guy named kevin too theyve been gone since last night and im not even worried

[@EnterTheFenix]

Nutn, the Sledgehammer was the best part of your channel.. coming from a long time subscriber

[@effervescentrelief]

Agreed. I like the reviews, but enjoyed vicariously living out my desire to run gun drills by watching the Sledgehammer much more.

[@atilliar]

I also really enjoyed the run n' gun videos.

[@effervescentrelief]

Jonathon Hurley That too. Always got me pumped to go shooting.

[@nutnfancy]

Thanks. I wish all the viewers thought so. So much work to do and I felt like we were repeating ourselves. But if I find good, fun personalities I might crank it up once in awhile. -nutn

[@effervescentrelief]

nutnfancy It'd be great to see a fresh run and gun, especially with a gun review at the same time (though if the gun constantly fails, that makes for a long day I'm sure).

[@twisneski86]

I just picked up a used one for 300. Pretty sure it’s the SU-16B. Can’t wait to hit range tomorrow to zero it.

[@myVIDsization]

I have had a PLR-16 for about 10 years. I noticed before I went to shoot it the first time that there was a crack in the mag well at the barrel nut. I called Kel Tec's support and they paid for the shipping and had the gun fixed and back in a couple of weeks. I put the buffer tube for the SU-16E and a KAK Shockwave brace on it and LOVE IT! The only bad thing I can say about it is that when its against you're cheek the recoil feels weird. I put a Holosun 503G on it and have had it as my home defense weapon.

[@TacticalBunnyCA]

Tech sights does make a rear peep sight for this gun. Nutn how did you miss that dude? I purchased my su-16 on your recommendation it has roughly 2500 round thru it with only three hiccups of Tula ammo (about 500 steel case shot of that 2500 est.). It is one perfect California option! I have the Tech sights su-16 rear peep with flip aperture likability 9 of 10 losing one point for being slightly taller then it needs to be. Sitting above is a 1-4x -Burris Mtac (not the best scope a Weaver 1-5 or 1.5-6 would be better) the rings are .80" see thru rings so I can use either scope or peep at will. It does create some cheek rest issue so I gorilla taped a short strip of foam pad to the but stock, helped allot. Best part. With a strait tube objective and at that ring height I can field strip the riffle without touching the scope, thank God! Another irons option would be XS sights low Weaver back up. I do not have experience with that specific sight but I am certain it would work and I believe that it has a slightly lower profile theoretically allowing slightly lower rings. More simple in design and lighter weight there is not doubt the the Tech sights are the more durable of the two. I do also have the Redlion Forend. It is free floated, well made and it made my gun heavier in the worst place. I can take or leave it likability 8 of 10. It makes more sense for Californians who are using the su16 as an Ar substitute. It is still heavier then it needs to be.

[@ElmCreekSmith]

My tan-stocked SU-16C with an Anderson A2 flash hider, an inexpensive CenterPoint red dot, and a 30 round GI magazine loaded with generic 55 grain FMJ Winchester .223 ammo weighs 6 pounds 4 ounces. If things go to shit, after I put on my body armor and tac vest with 8 - 30 round magazines for the SU-16C, S&W SD9 w/3 spare magazines, Motorola radio, and camelbak, plus some other stuff, a lightweight rifle is a bonus. I also have a drop leg holster for a Makarov PM, too. Before anyone starts nodding knowingly and saying "tacticool dude," I'm a retired US Army Armor officer that started as an enlisted man and was an instructor at Fort Knox as an NCO. Since my wife has a chronic illness that makes "bugging out" a non-starter, I'm in a "fort-up and stay" situation. I have other rifles, but the SU-16C is the first one I go for.

[@michaelalan6459]

Geez, look at all the tactical elitists! They are too operator for Kel Tec. Their ISIS tin cans and shoot N see stickers are too good. lol

[@michaelalan6459]

+Patches O Lol you're a fuckin' idiot. I love talking to internet dipshits. I don't care if you believe me or not. Dumbass like you would suck a dong for a chance to shoot a Hi Point! lol!!

[@RoCkCrAwLeRz86]

TROLL ALERT....

[@nimbly1693]

Funny thing is, I don't see where Kel Tec said this was a "tactical" or "combat" rifle at all. I don't imagine they meant it to be adopted by an state military or police. It uses AR magazines and 1913 rails for convenience, nothing more. Taking a gun not designed to be a combat rifle and trying to compare it to an AR is stupid.

[@nimbly1693]

I have had a number of Kel-Tec pistols and they always worked well, even if they are ugly. I wouldn't keep them if they didn't work. Really with a CCW, carrying an expensive gun is stupid. They get banged up, and if you end up having to use it, it will probably be taken away by the police. If you have experience with Kel-Tec and it was bad, then I understand. If you are repeating the stupid crap people online like Yanker Marshall says then you are a 'tactical elitist' or a troll. And name calling and schmeckle measuring online only proves that point.

[@reptilesgamers00]

@@michaelalan6459 Don't you work on Tyler Blv? lol

[@BLASToffVidio]

I've owned an su16c for several years with the pistol grip and adjustable stock, have to say it's a great little carbine. I've run a crap load of rounds through it, square range and CQB training and have never had an issue. I polished the bolt and carrier a little when I got it to simulate running a couple thousand rounds through it and this thing is very reliable. I don't care what anyone says, the weight of this carbine is much less than the AR platform and is very fast bringing to bear on target. That said, my AR is a primary defensive/offensive weapon but the Kel Tec is my selection for the go bag.

[@nelsonm5032]

love ur vids man! after seeing this video im going to get one! im in Canastan so I plan on using Beowulf .50's in it. I can cram 15 rounds of .223 in :) gotta love the 5 round limit we have here. thank god for Beowulf and Lar mags! (loop hole in the law) cheers dude!

[@sawyere2496]

Does that have something with the ability to use standard AR mags for a .50 Beowulf?

[@Velshard]

CA model is my favorite model as well. Your reviews convinced me to buy one and I'm very happy with it.

[@R0mans13]

Wanted one for a while. Seems incredibly practical. Thanks for the great vids Nutn!

[@stevemiller7433]

I have an SU16c with a Vortex red dot on it... light, compact, accurate, reliable. I love mine.

[@Hostilenemy]

I subscribed to the project back in 2009. It's better than ever ;).

[@ganthrithor]

Four year later update: I ended up buying the tan CA model with the tight magwell. I haven't put ten thousand rounds through it or anything, but in the few hundred rounds I've shot it's been very reliable. I had a couple of stovepipes and failures to extract in the very beginning (like the first few magazines). After a few mags (and a cleaning, though not convinced it was the cleaning that did anything) it has functioned just fine-- I can't remember having a malfunction since. I've been shooting American Eagle 55gr and recently some AAC 77gr SMKs. Accuracy has been pretty poor: I took it to a proper outdoor range the other day and attempted to zero it at 50 yds. I'm using a Holosun 510C with a Holosun HM3X magnifier. My gun just doesn't group well-- I would say about 4-6 MOA based on my results while trying to zero shooting from the bipod at 50 yards. It doesn't seem to have a preference between 55gr and 77gr: they both group poorly. Trying to zero was frustrating: I spent probably 60 rounds trying to coax a good, centered group out of it and just couldn't make it happen. As a control: I zeroed a Steyr Scout on the same outing and shot a 1" group the first time, and had no problems dialing in a 50 yard zero within about ten rounds. And that was just shooting PPU M80 ball-- not exactly top-shelf stuff. That said: although the accuracy is not great, it's also not terrible. I can easily hit the man-sized steel targets they have set up at ~115 yards and 200 yards. So is the accuracy a problem? Probably not for self-defense purposes. You probably shouldn't be taking long-range shots in a self-defense context anyway. For hitting man-sized targets within 100 yards this thing should have no problems at all. I'm using mostly Lancer mags with the gun now: they fit pretty well and almost drop free. The factory mags are still absolutely useless in the gun: once you install one its basically a fixed magazine and it's super hard to get a grip on them to remove them. PMAGs, Lancers, and GI mags all work great. I have a weird issue with one Lancer mag where the mag won't lock the bolt back on empty, but whatever. Overall I like my Kel Tec. I still think it's a great choice for people in ban states-- way more functional than a fixed-mag or featureless AR build if you're planning to use the rifle for self-defense. I've since moved to a state where I could just build an AR, but I won't be trading in the Kel Tec just yet: it's a fun little gun and I like having it around. If I do build a more serious rifle at some point, I'll probably just migrate my accessories over and buy a micro-dot for the SU-16 and revert it to an ultra-light configuration. I think this is probably the best way to enjoy the rifle.

[@fancyultrafresh3264]

If you watch this in the year of our lord 2019 (May 17th) please look at Mr Gun Dealer's offering from Grand Rapids Michigan. You can pick one up for 386$.

[@roycesjourney37]

Well, I'm sold. As an AK guy I love piston guns. So yeah, that CA model is right up my alley.

[@ragingagent5040]

Every time I post something about kel tec and about considering getting one of these on Reddit, I get assaulted by people telling me that kel tec is garbage and that I should get an AR instead. Can't wait until I get one of these and prove all those jack wads wrong.

[@Yarmox]

The people saying keltec sucks are bandwagoners that have probably never handled one in their life. Keltec is a company thats always innovating (something that should be more prevalent in the industry these days). I have the sub2000 and all the bullshit problems people on those forums have come up with are non existent. They listen to complaints on previous models and do fix the issues. Give it a try and see for your self.

[@Alvan81]

@Brad Smith Can you give some specifics . How many rounds, temperature outside, type of ammo?

[@georgewhitworth9742]

@@YarmoxOkay, so to those who have handles Keltecs and still say their garbage?

[@bigduffone]

My intention on getting one of these is for a backpack gun to throw in the truck in a backpack for any shtf situations. Although I have a Colt 6920 and a DD M4V7, this Keltec fits a niche for an inexpensive rifle to pack for everyday excursions where things could go very sideways. A friend of mine bought one for this exact reason and he can fold it up and put it in a duffle bag, backpack, etc and he keeps it in a locked box under his back seat where it can’t be stolen.

[@gilbertoesquivel9668]

My Keltec SU-16CA is my bug out survival bag gun. I have had only two failure o feed situations, but that was during its break in period of the first 100 rounds. After that, it's purred like a kitten! I pitty the fool who messes with me r my family within 200 meters with it's irons. lol.

[@wonderbread1975]

Well dude I'm new to your youtube channel and because of mainly you, I am now the proud owner of an SU16c! Thanks man, will shoot tomorrow!

[@carlsmith8176]

If this thing is marketed as a low cost ar alternative, but it doesn't shoot low cost steel cased ammo, I think that's pretty bad. It's like Camry only running reliably on very expensive premium fuel, no one would buy it because that doesn't make economic sense.

[@dansofranko2376]

MY SU-16 eat steel case ammo, and any other ammo I feed it, without a blip. Sounds like you need to clean your gun.

[@ryeboy2u]

I have a Kel Tec SU-16A in black. An no it does not suck and I would trust my life to my SU-16A. Also own a Bushmaster XM-15 QRC. I like both carbines/rifles. Can't really compare the two except they're both 5.56mm/.223 and each will accept a 30 round magzine. For a survival gun, either one would work well. One is about as accurate as the other. The Bushmaster might be slightly more rugged than the Kel Tec, but then again, I'd not bet a lot of money on that statement. Either weapon will take down deer sized game if need be. I paid more for the Bushmaster, maybe a hundred bucks more. What can i say, I like 'em both.

[@AG-LB209]

I shoot both 223. And 556. Out of my CA model. Perfect utility rifle! Love it! Awesome straight forward rifle!!

[@4gegtyreeyuyeddffvyt]

It sucks big time!!!!!!!!!

[@hubolds1946]

Saw your pic, sounds like you just said 'it thuckth!!!'

[@hcavn]

Phist and phoot!!!

[@darkstreamfish2729]

"orange stains on the pussy from cheetos dusted fingers" LOVE IT

[@FeWolf]

Picking up one myself, most likely will replace my AR, I am a 36 month combat veteran, took one for a run, really like it, prefer longer barrel like the old M16A1 and A2 I carried

[@jeremyshoemake8742]

"The gun you are most likely to be killed with" - pure Nutnfancy gold right there! I think if I could go back and have any gun Nutn has reviewed on deployment, I think I'd pick the LWRC.

[@RANKOR788]

Just bought a Canadian model last month. Its a tactical 18" with a birdcage. It shoots 1.5 MOA off shooting sticks all day with a red dot and bulk American Eagle AR 223 55gr. Cant wait to try running match through it on a rest with a scope! Only gripe is its a commercial buffer tube.

[@Sbomb16]

To add to the discussion, this is a great carbine for a college student who wants a rifle, but doesnt wanna spend more than $500 for an AR. Picked up the A model at a Sportsmans for $450, and it's run flawlessly since. Put a cheapo Amazon RDS on it, and you're ready to go. I've only had a few issues, such as the stock magazines falling out when shooting and the gun needing some excess trimming down with an exacto knife, but after a couple modifications, and buying a few gi mags, the gun runs perfectly, and i've ran about 400 rounds through it as of now. The built in bipod, while cool, can be forgotten, but there is a mod online that makes it spring loaded which I want to try, and the iron sights are just ok. But since its CA compliant, I can bring it back home to have more fun with my dad. 9/10, would recommend, just need to run it a bit

[@blainegurrie7525]

Truly appriciate the video, in Canada the AR 15 is considered restricted so I can't just head out to the bush and shoot it, the SU 16 is Non Restricted and can be used anywhere on crown land, carried in your truck without having to be going to an approved Range and is available in an AR style housing now. Expensive at 1100.00 dollars but I think our best option for an AR style rifle that is classified Non Restricted. It can utilize 10 round pistol magazines which are legal here otherwise we are restricted to 5 rounds for Center fire rifles which is a gigantic feature. Again, much appreciated for the video, this helped make up my mind and I haven't been disappointed.

[@Thetailofthetrident]

I own a SU-16C and I have put over 1500 rounds through it in the last three years and it has not had a hiccup yet. It has gone on coyote hunts and has been used to bag quite a few dogs last year fall, I hope to get a few more this fall. I'd trust my life to it. And yes Nutn, I plan on getting a hog this year. My next thing is to get a PLR-16 and then put on the folding stock equating to an SBR SU-16C with a folding stock.

My buddy has the keltec.22 & the 5.56 16C and I want them. Fired both at our range we use, and they're accurate, reliable, easy to clean, light, just awesome light rifles. Love the folding stocks for compact storage. I.e. Back pack, truck, home. SWC ready. Multi PLU great.

[@99Racker]

Almost got lost with all the old comments. Doing great Nutn. Regarding the trigger, the safety button placement is fairly common. I improved the "hole" side. Use a .22 case and JB Weld. A .25 should work but I used the JB in the hole then fit the .22 case in the hole about flush and cleaned it up. You can even find a case with your initial (limited to brand names) or customize by using a small stamp to add your initial. The case is an improvement. Still working on adding about a 1/4" length to the bolt hold open button. JB'ed one the first time but it did not hold. Might tap a hole and add a screw mod'ed with a file as 2nd try. As noted with yours, no supplied sling holds. I use a Home Depot pin to replace the takedown pin with a hefty split ring for one end and some high temp 550 type cord for the second end of a 2-point sling. I kept the basic rear sight (it works) and a red dot. Never use the hand guard bipod, it changes zero so I just use a pack or range bag. I do like your paint job but, like you said, it makes it look militaristic. Just keep some camo vet wrap just in case. Here in the PRK, I have a m/brake but keep an old 3-prong (VN) f/suppressor in the case bag (a baseball bag). The old 3-prong is about the cheapest f/ suppressor you can find (sometimes $12 at shows). They were/are effective but the military spread the story about three branches clogging them. With the BS filter on, do a comparison with the Birdcage in the dark and then convince yourself you need to spend $100+ for a fancy one. I think the real reason was too many problems with the M16 forend torquing due to Marines and GI using the 3-prong to snap by twisting the wire off C rat cases. For those of us in occupied states, this light little rifle keeps the inquisition away. Some say my rifle should a real be a battle rifle. Among other things, I say I no longer get into battles but if a fire fight happens, it would be a lot better than rocks...and it is semi-auto too. I also have battle rifles if needed. I find I shoot the SU rifle a lot. It is like the old Timex...it just keeps ticking. Switch off. Semper fi

[@garrettferrell4257]

I've been considering buying one of these..if they made them factory like the one this man customized in another KZbin video I just watched I would definitely buy one..this man got rid of the original stock and put a AK-47 style folding stock.he replaced the handguard/bipod with an actual Magpul AK-47 handguard,he said this particular handguard mounted right to the SU-16C without any modifications..with the particular changes the SU-16 would be a must have...he also replaced the rear sights with flip-up AR sights and even had it converted to 300 blackout which Kel-Tec doesnt even offer..its pretty awesome

[@jerryg2073]

I have been in search of the ideal, light weigh carbine for years. Been through Mini's, AR's, PCC's, etc. I now find myself returning to my Kel-Tec SU-16C. Can't remember if I did any trigger work on it, but it's a consistent 5.5#.

[@jeffpittman8725]

Some people have blinders on when using multimedia. Many just don't put the philosophy to use. I'm still working on a some phases and appreciate all your videos. Keep on sharing!

[@pablodestiny]

I own a SU16CA. I agree with your evaluation wholeheartedly. It's not the most robust weapon I've ever handled so I don't let people run over it with a jeep. And I don't drop it down cliffs. But I don't do that with any of my other rifles either.

[@stilllife8]

As someone who lives in California I've been thinking about getting one of these rifles since they're "featureless" and I wouldn't have to put up with the bullshit that all the AR-15 owners are having to deal with right now. Saw one of these at riflegear and thought "hey, that thing looks kind of dope...wait...keltec...let me go home and do some research." Good to see this is one of the offerings that keltec makes that's really worth the money. Thanks for the great review.

[@brendangibson5790]

stilllife8 Go with a fight lite lower instead.

[@CyanLink]

Love my SU-16C. If I wanted an AR at this weight I would have to drop double the $. Yes it gets hot fast but it can mag dump 2 30 rounders no problem and when as a civy will you need any more than that? The only thing I don't like is that the rear sight has a huge aperture and is very hard to adjust but a budget red dot or the replacement from Tech Sights takes care of that problem. The trigger on mine is faster than my mil-spec AR-15 A3. I would feel more than well prepared with this as home defense. 3-5 rounds in bad guy number 1 and 3-5 rounds in bad guy number 2 no problem. I want to run the 1 through 5 drill with this on a video, I think people would be surprised at how fast it is. The field strip is not really any more complicated than an AR, just different. You can get used to it. Yes I've heard the story of it blowing up, I looked into it, found one story from 2007 and I think the guy was an idiot. He was using old ammo that wasn't stored properly, he included a pic of the ammo box and the cardboard looked very worn, I think he had either a squib or a case fracture. Also, the dude claimed his "cat like reflexes" helped him dodge the explosion. So that should give you an idea of the kind of guy this story came from. Bottom line, you will be very well served with an SU-16, I'm even considering buying a second, maybe a CA this time.

[@8digitPDX]

Did they ever come out with a more rigid barrel setup?

[@Alvan81]

I can always count on this channel for a REALISTIC, non emotional assessment. Very helpful, Signed, a noob Thank You.

[@stevemiller7433]

I have a SU-16c And find it to be comfortable, accurate and reliable...and wicked cheap! The field strip is odd. Not an issue for me as I have never cleaned mine! An inadvertent field test for reliability... and it has never failed. I love the weight of it, or lack thereof. I mounted a Vortex Sparc 2 on it and it does just fine. Wanted to keep it light and ultra simple, I run 20 round aluminum GI mags and they are perfect. The bipod feature is cute, but to me, useless. Too wobbly. I think this is a perfect Get-out-of-town gun. Light, quick, reliable, easy to carry, easy to tuck away. Good firepower, accuracy more than sufficient for defensive purposes and the authority of a center fire rifle. Only thing I would want changed is an attachment point for a single point sling. I have an AR, an AK and a Mini 14.. this is the rifle I would bug out with.

[@jakebirkmaier5703]

Steve Miller hey I live in ny and I want to buy a 556 semi auto. How accurate is this rifle in terms of moa with the best load you can find at benchrest and would you recommend this over a $400-$600 saiga ak in 556, thanks

[@truckerenoch8824]

There are a lot of reasons I'm going to buy one of these. Being extremely packable for one, but also compatibility of parts. The bipod grip can be replaced by an AK grip with zero modifications as well as the stock with AR stocks. There is also a company who will convert them to .300 blackout.

[@WBatte1]

My one and only impulse buy ever of a firearm was a SU 16 . I was in a sporting goods shop to buy ammo and the rifle was sitting on the counter on display with it's forestocks folded out into a bipod . After I had handled it and felt how light it was and saw that it would accept AR magazines I bought it too . A couple weeks later is when news of the 10 rd magazine ban ending began to circulate . So it must have been June or so in 2004 when I bought it . A few years later I saw a PLR 16 and bought it Because I was that satisfied with the SU 16 . The trigger broke in the PLR 16 so I SBRed it complete with legal extortion stamp . If I had set out to buy a SBR I think I would go for the 12" version SU 16D12 . But I have no plans on selling either weapon .

[@ItsMeMarioJr]

I have a C model. I enjoy it thoroughly. Have a cheap red dot on it. It is is money 50 yards and in. I enjoy the ability to transport easily and being able to shot when folded.Some aluminum mags work better than others.Agree about breaking it down. Kind of a pain in the butt......

[@JohnB-dr8sk]

Word is that Kel Tec has stopped making these (along with the P32) but just hasn't announced it yet. Just liked they've stopped the P3AT, P11 and P9 as well. Very sad, because I think this is one of those guns, especially the C Model, that people will greatly miss and want to own after it's gone.

[@johnniewalker7690]

I currently carry a kel tec of 9 as my concealed edc and have carried it for 4 plus years. I carried a p 11 for about 5 years.kel tec makes reliable weapons and yes I trust my life to a of 9 on a daily basis.lf my security situation changes I'll adjust accordingly.lts nice to see someone on the internet doing honest reviews on products instead of trying to impress the viewers with their choices in the most popular latest and greatest most expensive tactical wonder weapon.

[@mattw1362]

I love my 16C, thanks for the recommendation. I have a Samson Evolution QD mount in the front and a KNS QD adapter on the stock swivel screw. It works great!

[@him240300]

Going to pick one up tomorrow.

[@dalanwanbdiska6542]

I know a guy selling one. the problem with it is the stock was broken in half right at the grip. Im not to sure of it works correctly. If it works with direct blowback vs buffers like ar15 then i could melt the stocks back together and cover the fix up with grip tape or camo tape.

[@JohnB-dr8sk]

The stocks are super easy to replace and cheap to buy from Kel Tec. Word is that Kel Tec has stopped making these (along with the P32) but just hasn't announced it yet. So I would snag one while you have the chance.

[@thelatenative4782]

What a complete and great review. Thank you for taking the time to do a follow up. I don't own this rifle but am looking for a rifle to recommend to a friend that has many purposes to fulfill and a budget as well. Nobody wants to spend money on a lemon, great vid.

[@BlueTrane2028]

I was considering a Mini-14 for something to pick up that is compliant in more states (and then possibly not making a ban list in the future). I think I've finally given in, the Keltec is more cost effective and I don't have to get new mags (I've got a few ARs already).