NVIDIA & AMD Should Be Scared Of Intel

[@hquest]

Since earlier announcements, I was rooting for Intel to come up with actual competition against both AMD and NVidia - not only in performance levels but on cost: both manufacturers are milking their customers on a tad too high. My only concern is regarding the recent Intel revenue announcement, and how many business divisions they drop because of it. While the graphics division didn't have any announcement, I hope they don't pull the plug in such earlier days and leave the engineering team to continue making progress. Fingers crossed Mr. Gelsinger keep supporting this group.

[@billchildress9756]

I started boning up on this since there announcement and when I found one @microcenter I got one. If you know people in the market for a new card steer them in that direction. The A770 16gb card is well worth the price! and if enough are sold that will keep Intel going an hopefully we will see there next gen of gpu's.

[@Arzack711]

well, looking in the progress at intel graphic division currently, it'll be a huge mistake to shut down this division. you know Intel already occupy almost 10% of gpu market share now. leaving AMD with just 16% and the rest goes to nvidia. AMD used to have almost a quarter of this share in 2021.

[@shaneeslick]

​Yeah I think that will be more of what we see, intel & AMD fighting over that 20-30% but taking hardly any from nVIDIA, as we have seen even at much better Performance for the $$$ for AMD 6600-6800XT nVIDIA is still massivly outselling them due to mindshare.

[@grumpyratt2163]

Like intel have never milked their customers. AMD five year life span on the motherboard platform. While you are lucky to get 2 years out of an intel before you have to upgrade your motherboard. While amd are making money intel have lost billions. If intel keep going the way they are going even the CPU division will be in trouble. and before you call me an AMD fan boy. I'm running an i9 10900k. Intel's 11th gen was a waste of sand.

[@tradcatpat2385]

@@grumpyratt2163 I just know I could get a Gigabyte Aorus Z790 Master, a 13900K, AND the Intel A770 for less than what it would cost me for an RTX 4090. 🤪

[@sascenturion]

I'm certainly "rootin" for a 3rd GPU manufacturer coming into the market! And yes i definitely would consider their products .

[@Jdogg4089]

Who would've thought Intel would be our last hope.

[@jonathanoxlade4252]

I personally would build a intel only pc build amd drivers kinda suck but once intel sorts out there drivers and updates and full optimisation performance with there cpu line ups I can see a all intel system being more stable even if you have to fork out for a higher end cpu it could benifit intel arc gpus in a optimised way But right now ile wait for a 4080 equivalent intel arc gpu to arrive so I can play 4k gaming on a all out intel only pc

[@jonathanoxlade4252]

​intel could kill nvida tho but intel has the resources I mean unless amd work with intel then it will be just intel and nvida kill Amd out of the market then kill nvida make it hurt lol I bet nvida now Is like shit we are gonna have to make the 5090 80% performance than the 50%we were going with lol nvida can't slow down they still have time to stay in the game but my god if next year they target the 5090 ooops

[@lagoleer]

I picked up an A380 back in august 2022 on release and yes it was somewhat of a hot mess and after playing around with it for a few weeks I put it on the shelf. I picked up an A770 late last year to go along with it and revisited both and the driver improvements were remarkable. Most of my early issues were gone and all benchmarks and games ran fine. A380 = Nvidia 1650 in performance. A770 is right up there in 3070 land. Both are worthy cards at this point and just getting better for their price ranges.

[@BPSCustoms]

Indeed!

[@JBrinx18]

Hahahaha, you don"t have a 3070, or a 6700xt. No way it's as fast as either of those cards. 3060ti at the very best of times

[@lagoleer]

@@JBrinx18 Incorrect. I had an Aorus Master 3070. Thanks for playing.

[@CESAR_H_ARIAS]

Imo, initial reviews is what killed arc sales.

[@bluerendar2194]

@@CESAR_H_ARIAS *terrible initial drivers at a launch pushed too early

[@andrewmutavi590]

I'd love to see a fresh review of the A 380 with all the updated drivers,also I'd love to see A770 performance in VR

[@bradmorri]

Intel has just announced that they have found a lot of driver bottlenecks that are causing performance issues and they are working on a driver update to address these bottlenecks. Looks like there may be more improvements to come afterall.

[@jelly.1899]

Lots of rumours but I have yet to see some kind of news or source for that. I do hope it's true, because then I can finally get one with peace of mind.

[@bradmorri]

@@jelly.1899 The News was initally repored by a german web site. They certainly have not dropped any drivers that reflect these discoveries yet but we can all hope. The drivers have seen progress since launch though. dx9 improved significantly for example. playing catchup of more than a decades headstart is not something that will be achieved overnight. dGPU and iGPU are not the same in terms of driver refinement. A viable third player is exactly what the GPU market needs so I hope they get it right sooner rather than later too.

[@jonathanoxlade4252]

What did you expect intel just started getting into dedicated gpus but once they fixed there flaws and start proper optimisation with newer processors intel could end up being a very strong blue only build If nvidia tried making cpus they would struggle and give up intel needs to get into the gpu market but yes the first batch of cards great 1080p 1440p card for sure but for 4k gaming it's ideal untill they make a gpu that cuts it close or over 4080 then we have a decent 4k gaming gpu that's gonna interesting once they sorted out the flaws right now with a beta start of making gpus

[@bradmorri]

@@jonathanoxlade4252 I was not criticizing Intel. Improving and optimizing drivers is a good thing and to b expected given that they have just started out.

[@dracer35]

One thing to note, I'm pretty sure the A770 works better with DDR5 (most likely because of the faster speeds working well with ReBAR) and Intel 12th or 13th gen CPUs. Most of the people I've seen that have had any issues with ARC are almost always using an AMD CPU or DDR4. Maybe something to consider for future videos or to test.

[@marxmaiale9981]

I never had any of the crashing problems that the reviewers talk about. I got my asrock challenger a380 at the end of August, paired with 12400 on a h670 d4 board with a clean windows install. Driver updates cleared up some strange texture issues, such as how text rendered on buttons in dx9 titles. The Arc control still needs some attention. In particular, the security popup, video capture auto file naming, adding hot keys to turn capture on/off. I look forward to future updates this is quite promising.

[@EXOWill]

I have two reasons for wanting to purchase this card. The Price and helping Intel succeed in the Graphics market. I always buy price to performance and I believe this card would make a nice 1440p gamer.

[@johnnytex1040]

I've owned one since launch week. I can say that the driver improvements have really brought this card all the way from a joke to a serious contender. I run Modern Warfare II at 1440p Ultra settings (w/ NIS upscaling) and I get on average 100-120fps (paired w/ a 12600k), sometimes higher, and very rarely lower. You still technically need to use DXVK for certain games, but even then that might not be true for long; word is a second major update is in the works, and it's apparently gonna resolve one of the bottlenecks that was holding back the A770 from using all its power.

[@testickles8834]

Spend money elsewhere. Your brain can't even see the difference when your 2 feet from the monitor. regardless of what you tell yourself.

[@johnnytex1040]

@@testickles8834 This is not only anecdotally false, but also easily debunked using some commonly-known formulas. The best one would be the PPD formula, which is used to calculate when a display attains retina level of sharpness. PPD ofc depends on some distance, but at a viewing distance of about 2.5 ft a 1440p 27inch monitor will have a PPD of 60, above the 57 necessary. That's the objective part, but as someone who uses both 1080p and 1440p regularly the difference is absolutely noticeable. Hate to assume intent, but comments like this tend to be made by people who don't have the means to experience such things (which is understandable) and are just coping. If you think there's more objective weight to your claim than I'm giving it, I'd love to hear it.

[@ohneflachsderlachsderhats6590]

@@johnnytex1040 Do you think the drivers of the Arc models will improve that much over the next time like AMD's drivers? For example the 6700 XT was always slower than the 3070 and even the 3060 Ti, but nowadays (since 1-2 months) the 6700 XT is even better in raw performance than a 3070. So could it be possible that intel could do the same?

[@TheGuyWhoDidUrM0M]

@@ohneflachsderlachsderhats6590 that is definitely possible. I cant see the a770 going backwards in performance.

[@ausfoodgarden]

I picked up an "almost new" A770 for around US$250. I think the guy had enough of game issues with the early drivers. I wanted it for a video editing rig and I have to say it works terrifically. With the experience Intel is gaining from this first generation I have high hopes for Battlemage.

[@shadyweaver]

I feel like buying an ASRock A750 was a wise investment, they're going fast about fixing things and doing a lot of community interaction too, which is really helpful!

[@evergaolbird]

I was waiting for this GPU to come out in my region but never did especially the A770 16GB which was my target to buy. Now seeing how good the GPU is now, how I wish it did came out here.

[@AlyxSharkBite-2000]

I got one at launch and watching the stability and performance just go up up up every driver update has been fantastic

[@s0litaire2k]

aaaaaand... you'll have to do all the testing again in a few weeks, when Intel's new drivers drop. Which (reportedly!) will give a surprising boost to some games. :D

[@BPSCustoms]

I’m ok with this!

[@jelly.1899]

All I see is rumours in YT comments about that, but where are the sources? I want to believe it!

[@syncmonism]

One issue with the A770 is that it absolutely requires PCIe 4.0, and most people are still using systems which do NOT have PCIe 4.0. These Intel cards CAN technically run on PCIe 3.0, but the performance ends up being hurt so badly that the performance becomes completely unacceptable (losing more than 80% of your fps), so you might as well be running pretty much anything else at that point. It's not like with the RX 6500 XT and 6400, which also requires PCIe 4.0 for full performance, because those can still get maybe 80% of the performance on PCIe 3.0 systems, or 100% with reduced texture detail, which could still be considered worthwhile for many. It's funny how the most likely reason that someone would want to have PCIe 4.0 so far, is to be able to run some mid-range and low-end graphics cards. PCIe 4.0 might also become more useful and relevant for SSDs some time soon, but even a lot of professional users would probably still be fine with SSDs running on PCIe 3.0 (but any professional user should probably be getting a PCIe 4.0 capable system if they're buying today, as it's not an expensive feature to be able to have). It often takes years for the latest standard to become relevant even for many professional/ workstation workloads, and some standards or features never become widely adopted or very relevant.

[@syncmonism]

I was seriously considering getting an A770, but immediately realized that it wasn't worth it because my motherboard doesn't support PCIe 4.0 (it's a B450).

[@jelly.1899]

Me too, I wanted to upgrade my GPU on my ancient system but of course no rebar, no pci 4... So I CAN'T buy a intel card AND they somehow perform worse in 1080p then 1440p (relative).

[@rashedaltamemi1290]

I have to agree 100%. I bought the A770 this month and it has been flawless.

[@riczz4641]

The problem with this is that the 6700xt exist and is selling brand new for as low as 370$. That gpu will spare you the intel whacky anxiety and give you even better performance.

[@Saabjock]

That A770 has seriously improved. I do simracing only...no first person shooters, etc... The only title I could not launch was Rfactor2. That is now fixed with the latest 4090 beta driver. The thing that impresses me most of all, is the smoothness in all titles. I ran a two lap race in Assetto Corsa with 20 cars in extreme rain...so low light and lots of rain spray streaming off cars everywhere... the card did not stutter once. It was impressive to say the least.

[@djdavis1420]

I am still using a 1070 Ti and wanted to upgrade, but the products and attitudes from Teams Green and Red over the last couple of years have kept me on the existing card. I am truly considering Intel as my next purchase, especially with the recent improvements and rumors of further improvements.

[@SantoValentino]

My 1070 is like 6-7 years old and still runs everything.

[@LPAtkins]

I have been on a 1070 for what feels like forever, I just ordered the A770 16gb after reading the new details of the driver improvements. Not giving nvidia any of my money for their oversupply.

[@pawed.7512]

1070 here and still running fine, i don't care much for Ultra settings as long as game plays smooth without tearing or chopping. Been following new cards for a little bit and after crypto-miners drop i thought the prices would finally normalize. Unfortunately that did not happen, but I'm in no rush and if it takes another 6 months or a year... who cares. This A770 is a nice surprise, lets see if it will have the impact that we would like. Patience is a virtue.

[@paulboyce8537]

requirements for the Arc are 12th or 13th gen Intel CPU. Resizable BAR enabled from the bios. It will work with 10th gen CPU's also but not as well. AMD CPU as you saw gives ghosting and glitches.

[@shinysuitx]

Just remember Intel is were their at because of way shadier business practices than AMD. Overpriced and under performing.

[@madsuperhero1]

I would love to see Intel & EVGA get together, IMO this make perfect sense for both companies, after seeing the Gamers Nexus vids of EVGA's facilities/team and getting an insight to their depth of knowledge etc, a collaboration between the two would truly put the 'cat amongst the pigeons'

[@craigdaurizio686]

That would be awesome until they catch up and then all three of them just gouge lol.

[@theopszone6775]

Quick question. I have Nvidia driver's installed on my computer. Now I wanna try the Intel what's the best way on a Uninstall pervious drivers. Any specific steps or software?

[@sooperspeedy]

I'm incredibly interested in the future of Intel's gpus. If their cards end up being a solid contender in the price range I'm looking for in the future, then I will seriously consider one.

[@z0phi3l]

If they release a A780/A880 at a reasonable price will grab one and put it up against my 3070, even if it's disappointing I have a couple other machines it would be a massive upgrade for

[@shanglee643]

Hi there, can I put my PC on the side to lay flat on the desk to prevent gpu sagging instead of putting it follow the normal orientation ? I did try vertical mount the GPU but my CPU air cooler is taking all the the spare space, so nothing fits, will the PC work normally if I just lay it flat down on my PC desk ? I have Corsair 4000D Air flow and a really heavy GPU, a simple GPU stick support bracket won't help it at all since I can still see gpu pcb being a little flex.

[@hurricane31415]

I would definitively consider it. At the moment I don't feel like giving money to NVidia and AMD has been disappointing.

[@StalewindFarto]

I've grown to appreciate the A770 I picked up a few months ago. It's biggest flaw ATM is actually just 4K video, with massive pixilation tantrums of blocky and colorful explosive displays. Video games have become its' most dependable aspect.

[@annettesurfer]

I'd like to know the FPS in COD Warzone but the A770 only reached a Passmark score of 9155, which is below the RTX 3050 laptop score, the GTX 1060, and the GTX 1650 Super. I hope this is the start of great things to come.

[@LouisDuran]

Also. There was a big driver update from Intel on Feb 1 that likely wasn't included in this review. Would be nice to see updated benches.

[@kalestra4198]

A770 has more memory than 4070ti while costing half of it… nvidias greed is so cringe

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

I like the specs of the A 770, also we get Intel's FRS and DLSS version to use, which is open source like AMD.

[@boredtuna001]

Hope intel certifies the A770 for autodesk, it will be best value GPU for 3D work with that much VRAM

[@phoenixrising4995]

Yup.

[@sqwert654]

Yea would love one for 3d modelling

[@denvera1g1]

I was surprized when i got 4K45-60 either medium or high, while using RT in Flight Simulator 2022. At first i didnt even realise i had RT on and was dissapointed in the performance because it didnt seem much faster than my 5700XT, which was cheaper than the 16GB A770 in 2019 when i bought it. Now the non RT performance wasnt that much better, but it was surprizing for its RT performance.

[@Arokhantos]

6:22 that halo effect around tire if seen with AMD gpu drivers in other games, im not sure about that exact same game tho.

[@NF0RCED]

What about direct x 9 games and below, are these still having issues running them or is that finally fixed?

[@FancyaBevMate]

I’ll be so over joyed if intel makes the 970 version taking on the 4080 and xtx 79 series in the very near future coupled with Intel’s own chipset how cool would it be to have unique features that the others couldn’t match! Exciting times ahead! Cheers

[@impc8265]

Not until they've worked out their drivers first, matching the 4080 with their current driver would mean the hardware has to be even beefier than the 4090

[@cgwworldministries83]

The artifacts are because it’s software rendering the dx9 and dx10 pipelines that aren’t simply there on the gpu. Let’s hope they don’t cut corners on their next gpu.

[@qT_p13]

Not sure if I missed it in the video, but does it still require re-bar enabled?

[@BPSCustoms]

Not required, but recommended

[@isturma]

I feel like this would be an amazing card paired with a 124/600 processor and 32gb of ram. Little midrange powerhouse on the "cheap."

[@TheGameBench]

A lot of people seem to have lost hope in Intel after a rocky launch... and TBH, it's not nearly as bad as I was expecting. I mean, their ray tracing perf is quite impressive right out of the gate. And as they sit now, this is MORE than promising. I want to be able to consider them for my main system, but it would need to be able to to do very well at 3440x1440... and that's not the A770. Also, I would really love to see a comparison between Arc, RDNA3 and Ada for video editing. I would love to have a good reason to ditch NVIDIA at this point... great products, shit company, and I'm tired of have no other option than to give them my money. I was hoping AMD could do it, but they're playing the same games, to a lesser degree, with their customers.

[@QuentinStephens]

> but it would need to be able to to do very well at 3440x1440... and that's not the A770 You might be surprised.

[@TheGameBench]

@@QuentinStephens Probably not. Some games will be fine, others won't, and coming from a 3080 To would be a noticeable downgrade in those titles. But I am going to buy one for testing and just to mess around with. And I'm def excited to see what next gen Arc brings.

[@NeVErseeNMeLikEDis]

Only reason it performance in ray was good was because thos A770 was supposed to compete with the 3070 class also they were to 2 yr ahead of the 3070 n 6700xt of course. Ray components would be cheaper. They just missed the deadline n their 770 didnnt live up to what it was supposed compete with. Thye had to lower the price but still it was too late

[@QuentinStephens]

@@TheGameBench Ah, if you've a 3080, yes. But if you'd had a 3060...

[@TheGuyWhoDidUrM0M]

@@TheGameBench so me coming from an rx580 the a770 is a huge upgrade.

[@pizzablender]

The question is what will become of the Intel GPU pricing when they have the product in full order software wise. My bet is: priced according to "value". However having 3 players is much, much better than 2.

[@2067792332977602]

I agree, intel is just starting and they did with a very decent card. They where not aiming for say 4090 levels of delivery. But give them time and they will for sure do it.

[@03chrisv]

If these new drivers can get the A770 consistently performing somewhere between a 3060ti to a 3070 I'd say they have a real winner at $350. The hardware is there and the A770 does actually beat the 3070 in 3D Mark Timespy so there is definitely potential if Intel can iron out the drivers. I'm hoping Battlemage can perform at the level of a 4070 Ti for $499. nVidia and AMD won't know what to do with themselves.

[@jamesleicher]

Have you thought of checking out Asrock A770 GPU?Do you think you have same issue In F1?

[@revoracer3]

I game at 1440p I have this card in one of my Pc's. It will keep right up with my old 3060 ti, i love this card, i hope intel can produce a card that can contend with the 3090 ti, I will switch my other 2 pc's over to intel when/if that happens. The rgb on this card is great too, it has a cable that runs from the GPU to a usb header to control the rbg, colors look great in the case. I also am building a pc for my girls son, he will be gaming at 1080p, he will be getting this card in the build.

[@bricktronics]

I also hope Intel comes out with a high end card. This is still impressive for what it is and love the way they look.

[@sqwert654]

Nice I game at 1440 with a 2070rtx atm and looking for more fps, bur also a rendering card for 3d work.

[@SantoValentino]

Really pretty card. Doesn’t work with VR though

[@bricktronics]

@@SantoValentino That's good to know, I don't care about vr so much. I am currently benchmarking 5 or 6 GPUs on two different computers to show how much performance increase there is with a 13900kf and may just have to buy one of these to throw into the test.

[@sqwert654]

@@SantoValentino well that's not good. I do some VR dev as a hobby.

[@TefenCa]

How does it hold up though for playing DX8.x-11 games? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@NerdyForge]

I picked up an a770 for a custom build I'm getting ready to do. By custom, I mean I am building the case from scratch. I figured, might as well build a mid range computer inside a completely custom from scratch case and the a770 was my choice GPU. I also have an RTX 3060 I want to benchmark against the a770 so I'm very happy to hear you revisited Intel's GPU and had great things to say. Getting rather excited for my build but still waiting on a few materials to arrive to get started.

[@phoenixrising4995]

I got my ARC A770 LE 16GB for 309 USD with a mail in rebate around Christmas. I was like fuck yeah that's a great price to performance. Plus AMDs heatsink issues and Nvidia's melting cables and price gouging has made me loose some faith in them. Intel's next big stable release near-March will have the CPU bottleneck in their drivers removed is what has been going around the rumor mill. Would be awesome to get that 3070 or slightly above performance that the silicon is capable of. If that is true I made out with some good loot.

[@solarpowder962]

To the A770 users out there: Can anyone tell me how the card performs currently in the game Hunt Showdown? I can't find any data for that. Thanks in advance!

[@PaulLemars01]

I'm seriously considering this card. I've just finished building my son's new production computer. It's I7-13700K based with 128GB of DDR4 ram* and 5TB of Samsung 980 Pro based storage (I know, I know) on an MSI DDR4 Pro motherboard. He needs a huuge amount of memory for his symphonic music productions. The GPU currently installed is the legendary EVGA GTX1080TI FTW3 that I've been using for years. I kinda feel bad installing what is now fast becoming a relic and I'd like to install a GPU that would assist him if he ever decides to get into Twitch streaming ect. He's a huge gamer as well but it's mainly Xbox. The ARC A770 seems like it would be an excellent balance of modern features and cost effectiveness. Please keep up with the reviews, we need to know. *Why DDR4 memory instead of DDR5? Because every manufacturer told me to not even bother trying to run 128GB DDR5 on current gen Ryzen or Intel and would you risk $1,000+ on memory and motherboard that probably won't work? The G.Skill Ripjaw 128GB 3600MTPS kit I've installed is running stable at 3450MTPS on XMP1. I don't know much about memory overclocking but I feel I'm pushing the memory controller to the edge and this system needs to run all day with no crashes.

[@Timekeeper-fr7wt]

It was be awesome to have the option of an A890 but sadly Intel will only be focusing on the mid range market so realistically the 770 is the only top of the line model, it would be cool though all I’m saying, great video btw lots of good info

[@orl2222]

I built a low cost AMD 4 with a Ryzen 5600G. I use a nivida 1050 strictly for handrake encoding, still using the 5600's as the graphics output. HDR is horrible on my other nivida cards as well, not a gamer. I am intrigued by using the intel card for encoding, or as a main output card , as long as the color gamut and HDR is better than nividas cards. Using AMD's built in encoders the color is way off. Anybody have ideas on this? and does the intel cards have built in quick sync encoding?

[@_shaolinkaz6270]

I recently built a new PC using an A770 LE along with a i5 12600K & Z690 ASUS TUF motherboard. Runs perfectly fine for the games I play (ex. CyberPunk, Halo Infinite, MW2, CS-GO) on High/Ultra settings in 1440p with a 1656Hz display. I even mess around with it using my first gen HTC Hive....again all works fine for me. As for Halo Infinite, I turned off that light reflections and those weird artifacts went away. I'm hoping that when Intel releases the latest drivers, it will be an even better card.

[@Markisha64]

Nice video. It is a shame Intel fucked up. If they just waited and relased them when drivers worked (like few months latter), they could sell them more.

[@alexskywalker888]

I recently sold off my 3070 and was in a drawn out process of picking a replacement. Got an RX 6800 XT openbox from Newegg, but it had a defective heatsink with a literal hole in one of the heat pipes. The card also had some very strange boosting issues that I couldn't ever nail down. Returned that and managed to get another 6800 XT, this time a Red Devil. I was so excited for this card, except the absolutely insane coil whine... it was louder than my air purifier maxed out. I was then in a bit of a pickle and had been given the option to get an A770 direct from Intel, but I never received a follow up. I then decided to avoid my bad luck with AMD cards... and settled for a 4070 Ti since my history with Nvidia has always been positive, aside from the cost. There is a part of me that wants to abuse the lenient return policies of Amazon, again, and grab an A770. The only thing holding me back is that I require absolute stability, and I don't think Intel can quite guarantee it yet. I will be following their progress and will definitely consider the future generations as I, like most people, are tired of AMD and Nvidia using whatever excuse they want to justify massive price increases for essentially no gain.

[@milohoffman274]

Because Intel has fully open source drivers and hardware support, the Intel ARC cards have huge potential to be massive in the Linux space for use in gaming, media encoding and serving (especially for AV1), streaming systems, media servers, etc. HOWEVER, the hardware support for ARC is not really included until Linux Kernel 6.1+, which you will not be seeing appear in popular Linux distros until about 2H23.

[@violetstew3825]

I am cautiously hopeful for battlemage GPUs and am already considering it for my next GPU should the prices remain reasonable.

[@nicolasi1844]

The bar seems to be pretty low when people are surprised to get an image when they plug their GPU !

[@Zechs113]

Arc seems like something Intel sould try and get to pair with their K chips, Much like how AMD allowed crossfire on older APUs and certain GPUs. I remember back in 2014 I bought a PC and it had a A10-6700 and there was a list of certain HD and RX GPUs that it could crossfire with but I would have needed to buy a motherboard that allowed crossfire. They could call it Arc Fusion lol.

[@belliebeltran4657]

Arc Fusion sounds f-cking dope!

[@paulboyce8537]

I would be interested to know what CPU was used to test the Arc? Your video 2 weeks ago tells me you changed to AMD and that tells me if you added the Intel Arc to it it won't work proper. Ghosting and glitches are result of using the AMD CPU on this Intel card. Resizable BAR enabled and 12th or 13th gen CPU is needed. Yes 10th gen is in requirements but it really is not enough. The GPU heavily rely on CPU and not just any CPU. The architecture of AMD is different so close but no cigar as you noticed. I don't know if this is a bad or a good thing that you need to spend a little more on late chipset and CPU to gain better benchmarks and glitch free from affordable GPU. Personally I think it is a good thing as having the latest basics will give long life to your build. It would also make sense for Intel to make GPU that works better on Intel CPU.

[@BPSCustoms]

It's on the charts

[@DannysTechChannel]

Great review! 👍 2023 is your year, for sure. The hard work doesn't go unnoticed and the new charts look excellent! 👌

[@LUXURYNOSTALGIATXT]

I'm actually looking forward to the "battlemage" GPUs.

[@ZenataUSA]

Great to see intel finally joining the game. Still too early for me to feel comfortable adopting at this point, but if the price/performance beats nvidia/amd and the reviews are solid, they'll be on my radar next upgrade.

[@matthewjuarbe5826]

hopefully but for me ill wait 2 generations the bugs and issues are too much.

[@billchildress9756]

I bought an A770 16gb about 3weeks ago and I'm pretty impressed with it. My puter has AMD 5800 x3d and 32gb of memory aside from a few visuals I;m waiting for future driver updates to really see the potential of this GPU. Intel has come a long way since the i740 days. I ran some benchmarks in some of my games and it's 100 to 150 @1080p. I'm willing to give them time to fix what needs to be fixed and make improvements on software too. To me it's pretty easy to use if you want to kick it up a few notches and get a little out of it. With the price and hardware issues that seem to plague the others I consider this an exceptional value for what I paid for this card ...350.00?!? Look at what the others cost first.

[@liberteus]

Bps: Nvidia and AMD should be scared of Intel Viewers: *scared for their wallets* Hopefully Intel delivers at some point, but right now this is not it. In a few years maybe.

[@liberteus]

Forgot to like, here, done for you. By the way, strong delivery, top editing, background audio not too distracting. I really enjoy your style overall and your reasonable approach without hype and balanced vision. Very much appreciated.

[@MichaelBruceTaos]

I got only one question, does the cheapo 380 do av1 encoding correctly?

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

EposVox posted this 5 months ago. He's my go-to channel for all things related to computer video. If I recall correctly, there was still a ton of prerelease, beta software using Intel's media engine and things worked well. Now, for example, HandBrake uses Intel's AV1 decoder/encoder in their release software. Here's the title of EposVox's video, "Intel's WORLD FIRST GPU AV1 encoder was worth the hype | Intel AV1 vs X264 vs NVENC/AMF/QSV"; it's a good place to start researching. Also, Intel makes an even less expensive Arc graphics card, the A310. All of Intels "A" series cards have the same media engine, as best I can currently recall.

[@MichaelBruceTaos]

@@wargamingrefugee9065 Far out thank you sir!

[@SerPitr]

Its gonna be a lot cheaper once they officially announce the closure of their discrete gpu department

[@AdamPatrickMurray]

Great look at Arc. Keith doesn't hate it.

[@BPSCustoms]

For once

[@asdf51501]

I bought the 16GB A770 as a utility card for AV1 encoding my media collection and currently have it running in a Windows 11 test system that's running a 7950x in 105W TDP ECO Mode. I'm an EVE Online player, and the card is able to run 4 accounts of that game simultaneously in windowed mode using a 5120x2160@72Hz monitor (the LG 40" one). While it's going balls out at 100% usage doing this and my old 3090 does much much better, at $350 I am not at all unhappy. I'm looking forward to seeing what new drivers can do, as I'm currently running on the WHQL driver set. Would I consider a higher end Intel GPU? Absolutely.

[@AshenTechDotCom]

the latest betas fix several titles, and add better dx11 support, its not the full dx11 patch they have coming though yet.. sadly.. been a long time since i loaded eve up.. if its dx9-11, you may want to try dxvk and see if you get better results, i would not be shocked if you do ;)

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@AshenTechDotCom Their supposed to release their driver without the CPU bottleneck in the March stable release.

[@HCMORGI]

i am all for competition in the market, but considering Intels price gouging history on CPUs and the Initial pricing on their first GPUs I don't quite understand how people can be hopeful Intel won't just price the products in line with nvidia and amd.

[@Aquaquake]

I am considering A770 myself, but my biggest concern aren't FPS in the AAA titles - with games like Cyberpunk or RDR2 it's obvious that Intel is spending a lot of effort on optimization because that's what most people look at. What I'm worried about are the obscure/older titles where Intel didn't have a chance to do any real optimization. Linus made a video on this topic when the card came out where they ran multiple old games, and more often than not, the older games ran either horribly or even had issues starting in a first place. Sadly they haven't made any new video after the driver updates and it's incredibly difficult to find any KZbinrs doing proper testing of other titles than the standard AAA titles where the performance was solid already when the card launched...

[@AshenTechDotCom]

i have had an acer a770 since late nov, from dual 1070's, honestly, not had any problems dxvk didnt solve with legacy titles, but often i already had dxvk installed in those games, because it solved perf issues and sometimes other issues by being able to mask a card as another vendors, mostly for TWIMTBP titles.. but either way, dx9 titles as old as farcry run f-ing amazing at 1440p on this card, i have not found a game thats given me real problems, and i have older titles.. for farcry (original) dxvk is a must, BUT its also a must if you want silky smooth play on nvidia as well, the .1% lows and 1% lows are often crap on the default dx9 path, dxvk... well my min fps is higher them the 165hz of my monitor now even with a heavy reashade applied over dxvk.. same is true for most old titles.. at worst, you need to install dxvk to get them up and running.. at worst.. there are a few people making more up-to-date videos now, one fellow is going back to some of these old classic titles and testing with and without dxvk thanks to my pushing him on discord to do so.. look up "Tech Guy Beau" and yes his title is clickbait for the latest video, he knows it... heh. anyway hes got more coming soon, he had to buy the original far cry and some other old titles like crysis 1 to test.... honestly dxvk is a godsend not just to linux gamers but to those of us playing old titles on windows as well.

[@jelly.1899]

They released a new video about it.

[@Kurzei]

Fingers crossed Intel's horrible earnings last quarter don't affect the gpu division or make it so they attempt to price new cards higher than they have any right to be. If this trend continues I'd be more than happy to grab one when I need to upgrade.

[@SwanDigEnt]

That glitch in the racing game may just be a poorly coded heat/shimmer effect.

[@sleepybunnynorbun1039]

I have a gtx1070FE, but "upgraded" to a amd rx6700xt. Nvidia feels to expensive now and AMD has to me artleast only given me a ton of driver and timeout issues, even after getting a replacement. I am considering going for a Arc A770 just for the hell of it. At this point I atleast doubt it can be much worse than what AMD has shown me.

[@gammafilter]

Is the a380 better now?

[@gedeuchnixan3830]

To me it depends on how good ARC is doing in old games since I like to replay games like first FarCry, Quake 3 Arena, NFSMW and so on; don´t need 300fps in those old games (haven´t played those framerates back than in those games and don´t need to now) but upscaled to 2K or 4K and 120/ 80fps with no huge framedrops is required for me to concider ARC. Even a GTX 770 or R9 280X are capable of 120fps in upscaled 2K Borderlands TPS so a modern ARC should do the 120/ 80fps why more consistent than those ancient GPUs. If they can do that, I concider ARC.

[@RonaldCollins]

I have a A750 myself paired with a I5-12600k with 32gb DDR5-6000 on a MSI Z690 Pro-A motherboard

[@thestrykernet]

I was genuinely sad when I saw they were requiring ReBar, and I'm holding out hope future products might not. My current systems are both X99 BDW parts and the platform never had ReBar support enabled so buying any of this series would have been useless. I also have a 3080 in my primary system so even once I upgrade it's unlikely Intel will have a faster part at a low enough price for me to justify as I tend to hold onto my hardware until it dies or is a noticeable bottleneck. I'm certainly rooting for their success as the current market situation is quite frankly cancerous and there's no sign amd/nvidia have any interest in changing things. I just hope for a product I can use myself!

[@Micromation]

At 3080 territory you probably wanna move on from X99 anyway. I know it's terrific platform and I still keep mine around but my 5960X at 4.5GHz is not enough to get every ounce of performance from a mere 6900XT... in fact it was missing up to about 30-40% performance (!) depending on the title. The only reason I didn't jump on 4090 is because for the same price I've got 7700X, Asus ProArt X670, 32GB DDR5 5600 on top of 6900XT (I've upgraded GPU first from 1080Ti)

[@thestrykernet]

@@Micromation Both AMD and Intel are running outside of their efficiency curve (which can be fixed, but then you're paying for performance you're not getting which fundamentally rubs me wrong), AMD decided to build a terrible IHS which holds back efficiency, and I use 24 lanes of PCIe or I'd already be on 1700 or AM5. I can get around the lane usage by buying a new 10gb card as I already eliminated my other cards, but that adds to price of a new platform. As long as my setup works I'm perfectly happy waiting to see if whatever comes next is more in line with what I'm looking for across the board (crossing fingers that Intel's forthcoming 2400 series carries the same price premium as old HEDT did vs desktop).

[@01talima]

hmm you keep saying it has 16gb .. the only ones i can find for sale say it has 8? . and are intel actually going to keep supporting this? im shopping for a system ;)

[@tenkowal]

The performance has definitely improved. But I will still not buy the Intel card even though I am looking for a GPU right now - even though it has AV1 encode (I rarely edit some videos), even though it has good RT performance (I doubt A770 will be enough to play RTX remix games as supposedly it can't even start Portal RTX). As I mostly sit and browse internet the idle/media playback power usage is important to me and it is terrible on Intel Arc. I also plan to go back to old, unpopular games like Cossacks: European Wars from time to time. I can't risk having 20 yo games stuttering or not running at all without any real hope for fix. When it comes to GPUs stronger than A770 - I think there is no need for making one. Most BUYERS don't really need more performance than that, according to Steam most people sit on 1080p displays and a sane person doesn't need to run games on ultra. Realistically A770 is a good top end GPU for BUYERS rather than reviewers running benchmark suites, looking at FPS charts and doing :o face on the tumbnail. Interestingly in the same way ARC can look like good product - it can compete in DX12 titles benchmarks but loses on just running older games and at literally doing nothing.

[@sorenvitarelli]

I don’t know that I would consider them yet. I’d be much more likely if they launch their next gen and it goes smoothly.

[@TheDrTopo]

Would be nice if you make a review on the Acer predator to see the first time of the company doing an AIB model too

[@joshschrock6265]

You are not wrong those tires would have drove me nuts cuz it's all the cars

[@brandonbowser5487]

I actually just order me 2 a770s and if they make a bigger one more high end I’d definitely buy it , use to use and just so I didn’t buy in to the green team hype , but I really hope intel takes this and runs with it , they have the tech to do it so now we wait

[@filipmartinez1162]

Anybody use the ARC GPU for VR games? I’m looking at a 4070 or the ARC to play the Resident Evil Vorpix VR mods.

[@oscarkarlsson8220]

Wouldn't you need an intel cpu with the Resizable BAR shenanigans to take full advantage of the gpu?

[@ReaperX7]

I would definitely consider an Arc GPU. Honestly, the AIB models like ASRock and even oddly Acer, look really nice. The fact that they're offering AV1 encoding and decoding is phenomenal. I'd definitely look into the ASRock version personally. Although one thing... With a name like Arc, they really should pull no punches, and give the drivers an appropriate name like... Reactor. Goes well with the name Arc for some reason...🤔

[@KhaiFirst]

you know what they said, when 1 become dictator while 2 divided but when 3 they be balance.

[@Mc-Derpulous]

If an a7890 released from intel, that was a few percent off performance numbers of a 4080 and say around 6-800 bucks… id do it in a heartbeat. Infact it would be pretty cool to get an intel gpu

[@Lucius4992]

I guess there's still people that didn't realize that Intel is a big Corp that knows how to manufacture hardware, and that driver updates exist. I still see comments talking like if Intel just dropped the cards in the market and left the chat. They are just entering the market with great potential, and it is beneficial for them as a company and for us as consumers too.

[@Paul_Hardy]

I would buy one of these if it wasn't for the requirement for RE-BAR. My system isn't really geared for it, booting off SSD's with CSM enabled etc... so it would be a major hassle, but if I could plug it in and it just work the A770 would be my next GPU, no question. The value proposition for a brand new card is too good to ignore.

[@CESAR_H_ARIAS]

When Intel brings to the market a real competitor to 80class gpus pricing would be in line with them sadly, and for almost the same amount i would go with a well stablished brand Ltt arc challange also have some insights to old games thats worth to watch first

[@rurutuM]

wait for OEM prebuilt to get these GPU into general pc users. let intel get their drivers sorted out. i'm gonna wait till Celestial before even considering intel GPU

[@zzmadd]

I really hope Intel makes it to something slightly faster and continue the good trend of fixing drivers, upscaler and the whole lot. We need a new player in the game.

[@manos7469]

Has intel fixed there capture software for there gpu's?

[@AdamantMindset]

what all companies should be scared of would be consumers. in the end we decide what we want and how much we willing to pay

[@constantinosschinas4503]

Intel seem very promising GPUs. They could even come up with some sort of Intel only performance advantage, when using Intel CPU+GPU. Drivers and ray tracing will mature, as well.

[@cinemoriahFPV]

I think the lack of sales is scaring Intel.

[@teardowndan5364]

What I'd like to see is a DG2-256 chip for the ~$180 price point that AMD and Nvidia have abandoned. Based Steam's survey, that would be a substantial upgrade for 30-40% of people.

[@PeterDrage]

I have the Intel A770 in my Intel NUC 11 Extreme at work and it is awesome, allows me to archive our Live Events footage in AV1 saving valuable NAS Storage space which given that a single event can generate 2TB of data, the savings in disk, backup and Offsite backup from a single event equate to the cost of the card. Plus it is a sensible 2 slot design and great for 1080p gaming during my lunch time. Yes the drivers and software were garbage at launch but the drivers are fine now and with regular updates. ARC Control is still rubbish, but I do not install that anyway.

[@phoenixrising4995]

Plus in March the CPU bottleneck in their driver will be gone allowing the card to run at its full potential, slightly above the 3070.

[@douglasmurphy3266]

Everyone is mistaken if they think Intel intended to just make cards for the value sector. They horribly missed a release target and performance was way behind what they built on paper, so they shipped it at a low price.

[@dominiksolski]

In an alternate timeline where nvidia acquired ARM we could have seen a nvidia cpu pared with an intel gpu

[@BPSCustoms]

Wild lol