Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Review: The Disappointment Is Real

Anything from slower than a 3060 Ti to (a bit) faster than a 3070, the reality is that RTX 4060 Ti just doesn't do enough to justify its price-point - and if you want enough memory to fully futureproof your GPU for the triple-A games to come, you'll need to spend another $100... in two months time. Efficiency is a strong point, DLSS 3 has its uses in a mainstream build, but beyond that, this is a disappointment.
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00:00 Introduction
00:52 Gen on Gen on Gen Disappointment
01:32 Spec Breakdown vs 3060 Ti
02:25 A $400 '1080p Card'?
02:44 Impressive Power Efficiency
04:34 Physical Form Factor
04:57 Performance Part 1: Ray Tracing
07:03 Performance Part 2: Upscaling
07:58 Performance Part 3: Cyberpunk 2077 RT Overdrive
09:02 Performance Part 4: Rasterisation
12:22 RTX 4060 Ti vs RTX 3060 Ti - It Can Be Slower
13:33 The 8GB VRAM Question
16:25 The 16GB RTX 4060 Ti Variant
17:25 DLSS 3: Very Useful For Mainstream CPUs
19:11 Summary - It Is What It Is
19:46 And Now, The Conclusion

[@jgal7979]

~0% performance uplift after 2+ years of waiting. The innovation here is astounding.

[@KimBoKastekniv47]

"The more you buy, the more you save"

[@bb5307]

DLSS3 artifacted fake frames makes fps bar go BRRRR. What? you want higher framerates to make the game feel better and more responsive to play? Too bad!

[@OrjonZ]

Similar to Turing. This is normal for Nvidia. RTX 2080 = 1080 Ti but with DLSS 1 + RT which in a way worse than DLSS3 at least at launch.

[@UmbraWeiss]

Because the real 4060ti is the 4070 :)) but now they can sell the same card twice=))

[@Wobbothe3rd]

It's an uplift over the 3060ti for cheaper.

[@nekov4ego]

As a GTX 1070 user, upgrading to 8GB GPU for £400 to me sounds like a bad meme XD

[@korana6308]

Lol yeah. I would upgrade to a 1080 Ti if I were you.

[@eilegz]

in any case sidegrading to a rx 6600 because its cheap, but thats all but i rather stick with my current card another gen and hopefully they release something good (wishful thinking)

[@shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh]

tbh unless you're a Nvidia fanboy the RX 6700 XT (76% better performance than 1070 + an extra 4GB of VRAM) for $320 or RX 6800 (126% better or more than DOUBLE the performance of the 1070 + DOUBLE the VRAM) for $480 would be fantastic upgrades for a GTX 1070 user.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

I paid less than that for my 1070 at launch in 2016😂.

[@ThePhilosophyOfX]

Im using a 1070 and have been wanting to upgrade for awhile. 6700 xt looked like the best value, but I want a card that can do some ray tracing. I was hoping the 4070 might get discounted, but I don't think I can hold my breath on that. I might just have to hold my nose and get it because the 1070 is really showing its age with the newer titles and a 4070 will be a huge uplift and it is the card that I would feel the least ripped off. A 6950 uses too much power and no ray tracing. I wish AMD had a new gen card that can challenge the 4070 with reasonable power efficiency. The main reason I keep second guessing whether I should by a 4070 is the cut down memory bus and larger cache really keeps it at a 1440p level and I'd like to play at 4k even using dlss and frame gen. But what is disappointing is that with a proper memory bus the 4070 could easily do 4k gaming but Nvidia purposefully gimped it so that if you wanted to do proper 4k you'd have to pay double for a 4080. I disregard the 4070 ti because it has cut down memory bandwidth and 12 gb vram, which makes it a slightly more powerful 4070, but not enough of an uplift to matter in your gaming experience. Getting a 4070 now is admitting that you will need to upgrade in 2 years. But hey, id rather do that than spend twice as much for a 4080, pad the pockets of Nvidia and realize that in 2 years there would probably be a better card than the 4080 for $600. Every card in the 40 series below the 4090 feels like a product to upsell you to a 4090. They all are handicapped in such a way where the only reasonable 40 series GPU is the 4090 the card with the most unreasonable price. It feels all very deliberate and contrived and I don't want to reward Nvidia for this BS.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Nvidia keeps doing things to convince people to wait longer before upgrading.

[@neoasura]

I wouldnt be surprised if Nvidia stops supporting older cards sooner and sooner to force people to upgrade

[@nekov4ego]

@@neoasura Force them to upgrade to what? A console? For that price you get more memory and better optimised experience on a PS5.

[@Wockes]

Nvidia managed to convince my friend to stick with his 1080 even though he originally wanted to upgrade

[@Wobbothe3rd]

People should wait longer to upgrade. Upgrading your gpu every generation is asinine, almost nobody does that except hardware addicts.

[@joesterling4299]

We can only wait so long, though. I'm still on a 6GB 1060, which in retrospect, was a superlative value offering in its day. It still does fine at 1080p in most games I throw at it. I'm thinking 4070, maybe if it goes 16GB, and maybe if the soft market demand drives down real-world prices.

[@weskerend507]

When even DF fails to see the good in something, you know it's truly bad.

[@Andytlp]

Yeah. New gen, it is hardly better than last gen equivalent. The low bandwidth bus might brick in a couple of years.

[@ca9inec0mic58]

When DF fails to see the good in anything nvidia*

[@redsky5440]

He tried his best to shill but this card is just that bad

[@Keivz]

Nah. They’re just hoppin on the hate bandwagon cuz ‘views’

[@SugarDad]

you know a card sucks when even Nvidia biggest fans digital foundry shits on the it, though they at least deserve points for managing to avoid testing new vram intensive games by using new ''updates'' as a excuse lol

[@AllieRX]

Quite frankly, 8GB VRAM graphics cards that cost $300 or more in the year 2023 is unacceptable. That should be saved for budget cards - $250 or less.

[@Rspsand07]

250 is high. r9 390x was 300$ with 8 gb in 2015. r9 290x had it for 550 in 2013. rx 480/580 had it for 240 in 2016. 1070 had it for 379 in 2016.

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

I think that's what this was supposed to be. Once they "unlaunched" the lower-end 4080 I think they eliminated a sku and everything else got bumped up. This was supposed to be a 4050 ti / 4060, something like that. Nvidia just doesn't want to sell budget graphics cards at budget prices anymore.

[@RahulR-nm3kd]

I bought my 3060 ti for 450 usd lol

[@Matruchus]

​@@ZeusTheIrritable Nvidia already said they wont be doing budget cards anymore since APUs run as good as budget GPUs.

[@shuttzi9878]

Mine is 4GB 🦖

[@sm4sh3d]

A gpu with 128-bit memory interface should have been a 4050. This generation was effed the moment they showed that the 4090 delivered 50% more performance than a 4080 for 20% more money. The entire series is scaling towards the top cards instead of the opposite.

[@ItchHeSay]

This generation of GPUs is an absolute meme. Really hope people hold off on buying these cards.

[@Chasm9]

I mean.. I went for 4090 with "all or nothing" thinking which made the most sense to me.

[@ItchHeSay]

@Filip The 4090 is ok, but it's ridiculous that it's the only Nvidia GPU everyone can agree has decent value this generation

[@takehirolol5962]

​@@Chasm9 The 4090 is the only good GPU of the 4000 series, the 4080 decent and the current rest are crap.

[@kamitorings]

i am, and considering numbers, people are not fooled.

[@RedPillAlways]

What y'all think of thouse CUEda core counts

[@jfolz]

It gets better. 4060 Ti has an 8x PCIe 4.0 interface. The kind of computer that would be upgraded with such a GPU likely only has PCIe 3.0 (AM4 with 400 series chipset or earlier, Intel 10th gen or earlier). Benchmarks in those kinds of systems show a 4060 Ti loses about 10% performance. This card is a bad deal that keeps getting worse the longer you look.

[@mako0815]

underrated comment, Rich did not point that out when discussing the CPU-related advantages of DLSS 3…

[@coleposton2430]

I know my mobo supports pcie4.0, I was likely going to upgrade to the 16 gb 4060ti, should that work fine with my ryzen 3xxx/5xxx era mobo? Sorry not super technically minded for this stuff

[@jfolz]

@@coleposton2430 It's at least going to be exactly as slow as the benchmarks you will see when it's released. Doesn't make it any better value, but at least you'll be able to see what you get before you purchase. Don't bother pre-ordering, there will be plenty of stock at launch.

[@L0rd_0f_War]

At 1:36 please note that the 3060Ti die size is 392mm2 (GA104) and not 293mm2 (typo for sure). So in actual fact, 3060Ti had double the die size, double the bus size (256-bit) and double the PCIE Lane (x16) compared to 4060Ti (AD106 die, 190mm2). Put another way, 3060Ti was actually based on desktop grade performance silicon and 4060Ti is actually more like a mobile grade silicon with cut down memory bandwidth bus, PCIE lanes and a very small sub-200mm2 die.

[@crowneproductions9908]

Maybe it's for the Nintendo Switch Pro

[@TerracideDK]

And double the power consumption...

[@maynardburger]

Put more simply, Nvidia is selling what should have been a 4050 as a 4060Ti. Same goes for the rest of the lineup. 4070 is basically a 4050Ti. 4070Ti should have been 4060. 4080 should have been 4070. And 4090 should have been 4080Ti. This is all based off direct comparison with Ampere chip lineup.

[@BigBoss-kk4sr]

@@crowneproductions9908 the current switch uses 7W, I assume the new switch will also use very little total system power, probably 18-25W like the steamdeck

[@devilmikey00]

@@maynardburger Yup, they are doing the same thing they did in the 2000 series and shifting everything down a tier but slapping a higher product tier number on it and selling for more. Not really sure how many more times they can do that before we are paying xx60 prices for GPU's that formally would have been xx30 silicon.

[@MegaCygnusX1]

Reminder; if Nvidia hadn't decided to re badge the 12GB 4080, this would have been the 4070 class card, which would have - incredibly - made the relative performance *even worse*.

[@maynardburger]

That's not how it works at all. And also makes no sense whatsoever. If Nvidia made the 4080 a 4070Ti instead, as originally intended, this would mean this card would be a lower tier part. Either way, the problem isn't just Nvidia moving things up one tier, it's that they're moving parts up MULTIPLE tiers in actual reality, when you look at what the actual underlying chips are. The 12GB 4080 is basically exactly what the 3070 was in the Ampere lineup. That's more than a 100% increase in effective pricing. Now, I didn't expect them to sell it at $500, a price increase was expected, but the level of increase is insanity. The 4060Ti is basically a 3050-tier part, but pushed up several tiers so they can take what was a $250 part(which was actually overpriced at launch, taking advantage of cryptomining nonsense at the time) and selling it for $400 and soon $500. Nvidia have gone insane with greed. It's much worse than people seem to understand.

[@EarthIsFlat456]

​@@maynardburger "If Nvidia made the 4080 a 4070Ti instead" What do you mean "if"? That's exactly what they did. The 4080 12GB was rebranded as the 4070Ti.

[@TheGoncas2]

No it wouldn't lol. The 4070 Ti simply wouldn't exist, everything else would be the same.

[@Cycke86]

It's remarkable how infinite is Nvidia's potential to make the GPU market even shittier.

[@zdspider6778]

Everyone is collectively shitting on Nvidia right now, and I think that's a beautiful thing. The entire 4000 series is a major skip.

[@spandel100]

People are complaining but these cards are still selling.I bought a 4070 while I was complaining.

[@zdspider6778]

@@spandel100 Then you have just told Nvidia that it's okay to sell a 60-class card disguised as a 70-class, for $600 (which is what the 80-class used to cost just 3 generations ago). The card even LOSES to the 3080 (at 1440p and 4k) by up to 6%. Congrats. Thanks for being part of the problem and not the solution.

[@spandel100]

@@zdspider6778 Next I will get the 6070...yes,not good value...but then nothing is or ever will be again.

[@massterwushu9699]

I was waiting for this series and i needed an upgrade badly. So i went with the 4060ti. It’s leaps and bounds above my 1660.

[@zdspider6778]

@@massterwushu9699 So you just told Nvidia that it's okay to sell a fucking 60-class GPU for $400. Congrats. Edit: And it's not even a 60-class. The "4060Ti" should have been called 4050 because: _3050 - 106 die, 23.8% of full die cores, 276mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8. 4060ti - 106 die, 23.6% of full die cores, 190mm², 128-bit bus, 8GB GD6, PCIe4 x8. This is a 50-class. *LESS THAN HALF* the die size of the 3060Ti (392mm²). Cut 2 from the same wafer --> 2x the profits. Yet they still charge a shit ton. Really, Nvidia? 😠 This would've made a great 4050. For $119-149. But at $400 Nvidia can suck a dick. And they want $100 more ON TOP OF THAT for another 8GB (which is only like ~$20 for them because memory is cheap now and they negotiate for tens of thousands of units).

[@apexsosapex1014]

u were TOO soft with this card in this video

[@walterw8223]

Can't wait to see the RTX 4050 4GB, with a 64-bit memory interface for only 249$.

[@deviouslaw]

For 720p gaming

[@bot-h2h]

Actually 4050 will have 6 gb and 96 but bus it romers are right

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

Nvidia wont have one this generation. You can bet on it. At least not for the desktop. Laptops have it and its probably not much faster than a 3050...

[@siyzerix]

@@NatrajChaturvedi Its a good 40% faster than the 3050/ti. But yeah, 6gb of vram is crap.

[@marstedt]

If it was cheaper AND renamed the 4060 (or 4050Ti) then I think it would be worthy of praise. I think most people would expect a 4060 to be equal or better in performance to a 3060Ti AND consume same/less power. Nvidia has failed / misguided the public on two fronts, price and performance.

[@cacarolanapolitano4325]

And to think the 4080 12gb was then named 4070ti raises the question if Nvidia were to launch the 4060ti as a 4070..

[@Wobbothe3rd]

It is better in performance than the 3060ti. Watch the video.

[@lynackhilou4865]

​@@cacarolanapolitano4325 that would be insane if they pulled something like that

[@marstedt]

@@Wobbothe3rd Not across the board it isn't. 00:52 Gen on Gen on Gen Disappointment 12:22 RTX 4060 Ti vs RTX 3060 Ti - It Can Be Slower

[@Wobbothe3rd]

​​​@@marstedt across the board it's better than a 3060ti with the same VRAM. Most of the time it's better than a 3070. These comparisons are to the ***12gb*** 3060ti

[@r34ztune11]

1:38 That reduction in memory bandwidth...holy crap. That cache might be useful today but at some point, 288GB/s simply isn't going to be enough. It's barely 23GB/s more than my overclocked RX 570 8GB, a card from 2017 that cost me 2.5x less than the 4060Ti's MSRP. I have no idea why they went with a 128bit bus to save costs but then priced the card at $400. 98% sure my next GPU will be Intel or AMD.

[@shaunketterman2985]

Same. I’ve never been on any brand’s bandwagon for any product, but this gen I’m actually proud to have not purchased a 4000 series (or any new) card from Nvidia. Jensen has earned all the clowning he is receiving across the board.

[@r34ztune11]

@Prison B I don't work at Nissan, so I can't give you a launch date :D

[@r34ztune11]

@@shaunketterman2985 I've never actually bought anything Nvidia in my entire life. Not because I'm an AMD fanboy, but because whenever I'm in the market for a GPU, Nvidia's offerings are just crap in terms of cost per FPS. I'm a value-for-money kind of guy so there's no way I'm paying Nvidia's brand image tax. Advertising and gimmicks like RT and DLSS don't work on me. I would buy Nvidia, if it made financial sense, but so far that has never happened.

[@xBINARYGODx]

The 40-series really is great marketing for the 30-series, just based on the Steam hardware survey. Well played, Nvidia.

[@LucidStrike]

It's also great marketing for the 6000 Series. The 4070 boosted attention for the 6950 XT, and now the 4060 Ti is boosting attention for the 6700 Series. And the $500 16GB version is gonna signal boost the 6800 Series. Lmao.

[@CapaNoisyCapa]

Yup. I bought an used 3090 for around $600 back in 2022 soon after Mr. Leather Jacket introduced the 4000 series and it became clear he was still living in Cryptob La La Land. Before anyone questions my purchase, I need all the Vram I can get and I already had a custom loop and tossed in a full water block for just $110.

[@Gowst99]

My 2060 Super took me through the pandemic, it will have to hold on until 50 series.

[@roasthunter]

When an upgrade is no better than the last equivalent model you know things are bad. It's really a 4050. I'm glad I picked my son up a 3070 at 350 a few months ago.

[@marstedt]

I'd lean more towards a 4050Ti or 4060, but yes it is very disappointing at it's current price regardless.

[@thehallofkillz3069]

Yea that pretty sad, should of waited for this one

[@TheFriendlyInvader]

​@@marstedt It's a 4050, stack wise it lines up with how Nvidia created that tier of silicon in the past. If it takes a long time for a 4050 to show up, that's why, they're having the either wait for enough workable defects on the already high yield cut from AD106, or they're going to shove something atrocious like a hypothetical AD108 (basically display adapter tier) in it once capacity in fabs frees up from lack of sales.

[@marstedt]

@@TheFriendlyInvader I'm going to look into that some more then. The last I checked the "4060Ti" chip specs seemed undercut by one or two tiers but not down that far. Hmmm. Just compared specs on TechPowerUp GPU Specs Database and I'd say the 4060 Ti specs look close to where they should be but it's obviously choked by the memory bus & capacity. It's a real shame that Nvidia did this. Worse than what they did to the 1060 3GB.

[@roasthunter]

it's very disappointing, slower than the previous 3060ti in some scenarios. This shouldn't exist as a TI.

[@giliathandtio]

50 class card branded as 60, for the price of 70.

[@samh5886]

You know to avoid the card at all cost if even DF finds a Nvidia card disappointing... 😂

[@averytucker790]

It runs as well as the RTX 3070. Mind you, the RTX 3070 can be found used for under $300.

[@clinged2711]

A busted up 3070 prob

[@psylina]

@@clinged2711 No, actual functional 3070s can be found around that depending on where you live

[@reignrl]

@@clinged2711 i got my 3070 used for 325 in january, no doubt you can find one under 300 now

[@titgig7232]

​@aleven80😂 for 100 usd more. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@reignrl]

@aleven80 the 16gb 4060ti will cost $500, the value compared to the 3070 is trash

[@Krenisphia]

It's ironic that in the 3000 series, the 3060Ti and the 3080 were the two best cards for price to performance. Now with the 4000, these two tiers have gone the other way.

[@Antagon666]

What also concerns me is that dlss 3 doesn't even come close to doubling the framerate in the best case scenario on this card, thus latency is even higher, as you spend more time waiting for fake frames.

[@Svante]

And those fake frames, produces some annoying artifacts as well.

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

And its a proprietary Nvidia blackbox solution needing to be implemented by the developer. So its not even gonna be there in every game.

[@axellno1759]

This should be a 4050Ti and everybody would be happy, and they should make a 16GB new 4060Ti with at leas 30-50% uplift over 3060Ti...

[@J_Echoes]

There's an issue with that: the level of performance you describe is now called a 4070, and it goes for 600$ with 12 GB VRAM. Absolute joke of a generation...

[@gabenstimovitch9653]

And the price should be $250

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

They wont because there is no competitor to force them to do it. You buy this or what? settle for the 7600 which is slower than 3060ti handily also but $270 or buy a 3060ti instead for whatever retailers think they can get away with still?

[@J_Echoes]

@@NatrajChaturvedi Or get something like a secondhand RX 6800 that's faster, double the VRAM and less expensive. Nice little plus: neither Nvidia or AMD get "rewarded" any money for that.

[@robertt9342]

Seems like the 4060ti should have been a flat 4060, but should have had a 192bit bus with 12gb.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Should've been a 4050Ti

[@robertt9342]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat . That was my original thought too, I think I have posted it somewhere, but atleast a 4060 is step in the right direction

[@FabledGentleman]

The real disaster happens when you use this card on a PCI-Express 3.0 slot. It has half the bandwith of the 3060 Ti. HALF! 😵

[@TheVektast]

So 3060 Ti is more future proof? xd

[@N0N0111]

@@TheVektast In the HUB review the 3060 Ti was performing better in Hogwarts than the 4060 Ti, cause it handled VRAM allocation better.

[@brinewind8732]

The word "value" has no meaning in the GPU space any longer.

[@LordManhattan]

Dang, that 6700 XT is really great at rasterization! I'd say ignore RT and get that instead of the 4060 TI. Money saved.

[@BertM3]

I bought that RX6700XT a year ago for about $400 for my parts bin PC, towards the end of the GPU price craze. Shocking to see that it can keep up with current $400 offering.

[@kieran.grant_]

Once again I am finding myself quite satisfied with my 3060ti!

[@Pand0rasAct0r_]

the power usage isnt impressive because this really isnt a 60ti class card its a 50ti class card. naming doesnt change that

[@YourTamedLion]

It is all about value. At MSRP 4060 ti is trash value. But at 200-250 it is another story. Nvidia just charged 150 dollars too much 😂

[@dibujitokchero3548]

150$ for this rtx 4050 performance 😂

[@GoldSrc_]

Just like what happened to the RX 6600, I went back to see all the reviews of that card when it launched, and now they all have aged like milk lol.

[@massterwushu9699]

Nvidia gpus have not been at that price point in a very long time. i paid $300 for me 1660

[@gargonovich]

No bad products, only bad prices.

[@Nightflash28]

@@massterwushu9699 Maybe pricepoint, the 3000 series was great value.

[@ItsAkile]

Brilliant card, glad to upgrade from 3060 Ti to 6800XT instead.

[@AltNomad]

Used 30-series looking REALLY good now

[@ivanbardov]

Maybe that is *still* the point of those ridiculous 4000 cards and their horrendous pricing?

[@ca9inec0mic58]

*RDNA2, dont get it mixed up

[@mazziecat]

I'm not even touching new GPUs at this point. A second hand 2070 super somewhere is where my line is.

[@spandel100]

I have one sitting in a box,which I intend to build a second pc with.Still a very good card,especially at 1080p.

[@Dangerman-zg3ui]

This is a 50 class card jacked up another tier to justify BS pricing.

[@vncube1]

13:19 the 4060 Ti *losing performance with high resolution frame generation* sent my sides into orbit and gave me DLSS 1.0 flashbacks 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 there is basically no reason to buy this card!

[@MKR3238]

holy FUCK nvidia is a fucking joke of a company

[@jqwright28]

I think if Nvidia had put the 4060ti on a 192-bit bus width and gave it 12 gb, it would have actually been a card worth upgrading to for people still on 1060 or 2060 gpus. As it is, I don't think 16gb will save it, it doesn't have the bandwidth to do 1440p well enough to justify 16gb.

[@riaz8783]

It's bananas they didn't consider this. These GPUs should be obliterating the consoles by now and they just aren't.

[@19alive]

@@riaz8783 They want to give us the minimum possible and charge the maximum possible.

[@CapaNoisyCapa]

That product already exists. It's called rtx 4070. Yup, the real 4060Ti would be OK for $400 and an good option for $350 or a bit less. If what game devs are saying now is anything to go by, 12GB vram video cards will age like fine milk rather soon.

[@xBINARYGODx]

perhaps, but adding a 16gb version that is partner only is still warranted and there are come cases where a bit of extra ram can make the difference, even if we start to get edge case, but then, one bad port that you can run just fine is the sort of edge anyone can find themselves in. EDIT - nvm, I keep missing that the 16g card still has the ridiculous 192 bus.

[@Snow.2040]

No it still wouldn’t be, the extra bus would really only give it an advantage at higher resolutions so it doesn’t lose to 3060 ti at 1440p or 4k, and the extra vram doesn’t make up for the fact that this card performs within 10% of a 3060 ti.

[@wile123456]

The first negative review from digital foundry of an Nvidia product in over 5 years. Never forget how they were the only ones defending the 20-series price hikes back in 2018, but seems like all that Nvidia money has a limit in how much their opinions can be swayed. Wonder if they'll still have access to private pre reveal access as the only "reviewer" on KZbin. But I doubt Jensen can find anyone as spineless and as willing to do free marketing elsewhere for the 5090 when it launches

[@koya__kim]

I thought for a second DF's channel was hacked and the perpetrator(s) uploaded this video using a deepfake AI of Rich.

[@FSAPOJake]

The 6700 10GB just makes both this and the 7600 look silly. Even at 1080p, 8gb is starting to become not enough for modern games. This isn't unreasonable or out of the blue either. The RX 480 released with 8GB VRAM for $250 all the way back in 2016, and that was seen as a lower-mid-range card at the time, not some cutting-edge monster GPU. It's time to move on.

[@MisterPikol]

I've had r9 390 8gb back in 2016 lol

[@pacifico4999]

RX 480 had a massive buffer for the time, for a low-mid-range card. The most popular card at the time was the 1060 at 6GB.

[@fajaradi1223]

Not to mention the "circumstated" PCIe lanes

[@vncube1]

The RX 6700 10GB is arguably the accidental successor of high end, fairly cheap 1080p/1440p gaming to the RX 480 8GB.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

No it doesn't, lol. The 4060ti crushed the 6800 in actual perf, especially ray tracing.

[@jerzyczajaszwajcer]

16 gb with 128 bit wont cut it. Also derbauer said this is pci ex x8

[@WybremGaming]

Are there really efficiency gains? Because the die is much smaller, or is it more that it's a 4050 which should use less energy anyway.,

[@sieferswe]

der8auer have a video out now testing some stuff that relates to your question.

[@bob23301]

My 9 year old I7 core 4770 non K and GTX1080p is a 1080p gaming rig, and with the way Nvidia are going it will continue to be my 1080p 60 fps rig for the foreseeable future. Lol

[@esotilin32z]

But this 4050 have a nice generational performance. Performs about the same as a 3060 ti

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The 4060ti performs like a 3070

[@licensetoshred]

@@Wobbothe3rd OC a 3060Ti and you have a 3070 essentially lmao.

[@dhaumya23gango75]

@@licensetoshred No you won't. And you can oc the 3070 as well.

[@dano1307]

Even nvidias chosen channel to showcase their new tech is shitting on the 4060ti

[@N0N0111]

This GPU is worth $200 nothing more, don't pay 2x for this hardware gamers!

[@ricco123tube]

4050 sold as a 4060 ti. Nvidia is having a laugh.

[@DC3Refom]

Hey Ritch , mate its very efficient because ita a AD107 die ( really a 4050/4050 ti being priced at 60 ti levels and its not as performamt as it should be. Thia is forveveryone , I have said it mamy times and i will say it again FG only smoothes the frane rate out by adding logical frames between each real one , it does not increase your performance ie actual framerate ( 60fps with fg does not equal 120fps ) or decrease latency !

[@rg975]

Can’t be disappointed if you never expected anything in the first place

[@chilpeeps]

The selling point of 40 series is frame generation which nvidia could also enable for 30 series

[@Sebstrion]

I never thought I would say this, but... I have more hope for the new intel battlemage than in NVIDIA when it comes to fair prices.

[@dallacosta2868]

When I upgrade my 3060 in 3 or 4 years I'm not buying Nvidia anymore, that's for sure.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Intel is subsidizing the cost of their GPUs, they would go bankrupt if they didn't have other profit to do that.

[@TheDravic]

Battlemage is supposed to target 3090~~ level of performance. By the time Intel's Battlemage is out, Nvidia will be on RTX50 series hype. The only real advantage I can see for Intel's Battlemage over 4070ti is price & extra 4GB VRAM (Battlemage's flagship will have 16GB total most likely), other than that you might as well just purchase 4070ti today and have the performance of Intel's tomorrow. Did I mention Intel's Battlemage is projected to be released in SECOND HALF of 2024?

[@korana6308]

@@Wobbothe3rd you should listen less to the corporate lies. May be the GPU development and research can cost us much as you want. But the actual GPU production costs no more than 100$ - 150$

[@Noliving]

@@Wobbothe3rd Why should the consumer care if it is being subsidized?

[@djtomoy]

Hi Richard, I’ve noticed a discontinuation in your videos, on the frame rate graph the trend lines are drawn BEHIND the central line of the axis while on the frame time graph the trend lines are drawn ON TOP of the central line of the axis. fyi

[@pqfamilyadventures]

I don't think this is the first 128 bit memory interface card to be disadvantaged to the rest of the line-up. I know that real world performance doesn't always correlate to all the specs but I feel like lower bandwidth cards have the tendency to be the worse options - or at least be problematic in some way.

[@xBINARYGODx]

its actually, I feel, a good enough thing to look at in isolation. To add my own story to the data point - about ten years ago I bought the Titan original (700 series), and the thing that mattered most to that card last just over 6.5 years of all game intelligently maxed out was the 384 bit bus to 6gb of gddr5 vram. Yes the gpu bits were a nice enough upgrade over the 780 ti (not for the price increase, of course) - but the extra 6gig at the higher bandwidth really let that card go to places (and past a lot of bad optimization) that it otherwise would not have. I now look over these 8 gig cards out today and think of them like the 4g cards of ten years ago - sure the 780 ti was most of a titan in terms of the gpu, but the memory was a different story. A card today with a bump up 12 and at least 256 bit bus (but really, higher) can likely stand the test of time long enough at appropriate resolutions, somewhat similar to that Titan. But 192 to 8 gigs? lol wut

[@junko4166]

The average consumer is stupid, but they're not that stupid. The obscene price hikes mean people started coupling performance expectations to price instead of GPU class.

[@Im_Behind_You]

Damn. Nvidia realised they don't need to pay you for good press anymore, huh?

[@clanpsi]

"4060 Ti, pay more for less!" What a slogan, Huang. You sure knocked this one out of the park.

[@Darksjeik]

In general, a “1080p” card that’s sold around the price of a 4K capable console doesn’t make much sense.

[@andresalbertoleosramos4296]

400 dollar 1080p card wow

[@samcerulean1412]

GTX 1660Ti was around £270 after release, the RTX 2060 was around £325 , the RTX 2070 was about £450. That's just a rough indicator of how much Nvidia has raised it's prices, sure the node is more expensive but they can fit more chips per wafer. Get the wafer failure rate down and the prices shouldn't be much higher than what they was for the 20 series. Nvidia is ripping people off.

[@Quast]

I almosted choked when I realised how much NVidia has raised the prices for the xy-70 class cards after the GTX 1000 series. You tend to follow only the prices and performance in the segment for the amount of money you willing to spend and I wanted to buy a xy70 card somewhen after the RTX 2000 series - but with these kind of prices, I'd never be willing to pay this much and now they are even trying pulling up the prices of the 60-class cards!

[@KiltedCritic]

Not enough being made of this being just a x8 PCIe interface card, when both the 3060Ti & 2060 Super were x16. Will shaft those with 3.0 motherboards in the longer-term.

[@RhumbaRat]

Finally the ultimate 2014 retro gaming card, relive the glory days of 1080p

[@Lolkork]

DLSS 3 gives you more stable frametimes because it reduces the framerate prior to framegen, giving your CPU more headroom.

[@Methos_101]

DLSS Quality mode is great and use it all the time, but the frame generation part is useless since it doesn't improve latency, it won't feel any better playing with those "fake" frames.

[@Phil_529]

Go watch Linus' video where they have a 30fps native or 60fps with FG. Something like 7 out of the 8 people picked the 60fps "fake frames" version because 30fps sucks.

[@Chicky_Lumps]

​@@Phil_529I think his point was that it's a nice looking option for single player games, but irrelevant for improving fluidity of PvP games which is where higher raw frames are really desirable.

[@Phil_529]

@@Chicky_Lumps he didnt say any of that

[@Phil_529]

@@Chicky_Lumps also esports titles rarely need help to run on modern hardware

[@bot-h2h]

​@@Phil_529 csgo run like 400 fps on a 300 dollar gpu so dlss or fsr don't really matter. CPU limited

[@bliglum]

What is the difference between DLSS3 "Frame Gen", and the frame interpolation feature smart TV's come with?? They're both creating and inserting fake frames, both with occasional artifacts and errors.

[@paulerxx]

This should have been the 4050 ti or standard 4060...

[@ShinyHelmet]

99.9% of people would agree.

[@rodylermglez]

It's good that efficiency keeps going up, although it seems we are starting to reach the point where we are seeing diminishing returns. Still, all that really doesn't matter much if they are not affordable.

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

Efficiency seems like its gone up because its a 50 card masquerading as a 60ti card. If the Memory Bus width, Die size and performance dont prove it then the power target surely does. Its in the ballpark of where Nvidia 50 and 50ti cards have always been.

[@rodylermglez]

​@@NatrajChaturvedi and yet it is getting comparable frame rates, despite all the cuts, possibly due to architectural changes. I don't know how valid is the "joules per frame" methodology is but at least someone is paying attention to this kind of metrics (LTT is the only other tech analyst that keeps tabs on it), meanwhile all the enthusiasts are just gushing or lamenting for uplifts in framerate and only complaining on power consumption because "OH NO I HAVE TO BUY A NEW MORE EXPENSIVE PSU!" Frankly, I'm more worried about power consumption, if not for environmental carbon footprint impact (which everyone should), for electricity costs. It might not be that much of a cost uplift to a single consumer, but communally the energy consumption is getting dangerously ridiculous, specially as workloads for AI become more and more common. Because of pricing, since it seems that graphic cards are seemingly going away from single desktops and toward computer farms of startups and cloud computing, then I'd rather have in the world more efficient hardware than traditional "bang for the buck" stuff for sustainability reasons. Besides, it seems like the non-enterprise consumer will increasingly have to make by with mobile-grade hardware, which is not a bad thing since all this bleeding edge tech will hopefully drip down in less than ten years to a very portable form factor, so really, what are we complaining in here again but for childish privilege entitlement.

[@liaminwales]

17:25 You also see some problems with older systems using PCIE 3, the 8X PCIE connection will restrict older systems.

[@124thDragoon]

The idea that this card would be most applicable to someone running a multiple-year-old affordable system (like an R5 3600 w/ B450 or 10600K w/ B460) is possibly made less relevant by the 4060 Ti's x8 PCI-E 4.0 lane setup rather than x16. I remember this being a point of contention for the RX 6600 / XT of yesteryear. I'm curious just how much of a performance hit this thing would take when plugged into a 3.0 slot.

[@bettydougherty7392]

The fact that in 2023 they're marketing a card at this price for 1080p and not 1440p is insane, 2k has been the PC standard for a while at this point

[@eduardosifuentes2278]

Steam says otherwise.

[@christopherscott934]

IMO, 8GB of VRAM is starting to be an issue. I've ran into issues with my 3070 and games like RE4 Remake, TLOU Pt. I @1440p. This 4060 Ti is a waste of money at this point.

[@FabledGentleman]

Yeah the Playstation ports are a problem, because those games are coded to use way more ram on the console, and porting it without this need is difficult.

[@user-cz7tl9nj9h]

the glitch effect between resolutions is really nice, it might be even clearer visually that the transition happened by applying that effect to the text rather than the entire frame. otherwise very well done.

[@mutcholokoW]

I know this is bizarrely specific but 7:25 sounds so much like 'Daft Punk - Giorgio By Moroder' in that part where Giorgio says "The sounds of the sixties, of the seventies" lol

[@LucidStrike]

Oh wow. When even Rich has an overall negative response to something from Nvidia, you know Nvidia done fucked up BAD. 👀

[@rocstarang5747]

Gee thanks Nvidia. A 3060ti with dlss 3. What a deal /s

[@RolfWrenWalsh]

Once again, my 3090 12GB (3080 Ti) I bought last August for $350 after free games, coupons, credit card points, and a weird 20% off error by Amazon just keeps looking better and better with each passing day and GPU launch. That fact that my 2070 Super it replaced still holds up compared to the 4060 Ti is REALLY fucking sad.... Comparing specs between the 2070 Super, the Ganzalo, and Anaconda, I always felt it was right on par with them back in 2020. The texture comparison you did finally confirms it. Thank you Richard.

[@CanIHasThisName]

Since you've covered efficiency, one thing I'd be curious about is undervolting. I think it would be worth exploring that in reviews, as it can actually be achieved just by moving two sliders and pretty much everyone should do it nowadays. Most people could run their 3060ti at around 160W without giving up a single percent of performance, so given the already low power draw of the 4060ti, I'm curious how low it could go (and obviously have no interest in finding out myself :P )

[@danbeaman1115]

Trust DF to have the most positive review. Always shilling for Nvidia...

[@neoasura]

At this point, there is the 4090, and theres everything else.

[@FabledGentleman]

Yeah, i have the 4090. And it is a total beast of a card. In some games i more then tripled my FPS from the 3070. for example, it can run Overwatch 2 with everything on full in 1440 in around 600 fps. RDR 2, 4K with all on max and with DLSS enabled, 160-200fps. It's just eating up everything i throw at it with ease.

[@LucidStrike]

4090, 7900 XTX, 6000 Series. That's it.

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

My 4070ti isn't bad. I got it used for wayyyy under MSRP because the dude was running 4k high refresh rate and shortly after buying it upgraded to a 4090 and sold me the 4070ti for 250 less than new. Runs everything I throw at it at 1440p max settings no issues.

[@DC3Refom]

​@@JudeTheKZbinPoopersubscribe how much did you pay

[@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe]

@@DC3Refom They're normally like £850 brand new over here and i paid 600 cash for it lol. card was only used for like 2 months and looked brand new.

[@Decenium]

weird audio quality drop at 7:18, guess something was spliced in later.

[@user9oiflpk1l1llji1l]

Year 2023, 1080p card at $400, with some games still cannot be max out (stuttering or missing details) is really an insult !!! This 4050 should be priced at $270 max with 12gb vram !!!

[@ItsCith]

I upgraded from a 1060 to a 3060ti. I'm very pleased. I'm also pleased that my current card is almost just as fast as thr brand new 60ti lol

[@Skotty64081]

Pretty much the same here. Upgraded from 1060 3GB to 3060 Ti. But I'd still like to have more VRAM and may get an AMD card on my next upgrade.

[@licensetoshred]

OC the 3060Ti and you will probably surpass a stock 4060ti. I have a strix 3060Ti with an OC of +1400 memory and +150 core, it beats the 4060ti lol

[@ItsCith]

@@Skotty64081 The 8 gig at 448 gb/s on the 3060ti is enough for now. Maybe not future proof but it's enough for the games I'm playing.

[@ItsCith]

@@licensetoshred I never OC actually. I can drop the settings from Ultra to high and not even notice the decease in quality, but do notice the 10% performance increase 😄✌️

[@konczdavid]

4060Ti 8GB should realistically cost $200 instead of $400 (and should be named 4050). 4060Ti 16GB should be $250 instead of $500, 70/70Ti cards should be several hundred dollars cheaper with at least 16GB VRAM, and 4080 should be 24GB at $700 instead of being priced at $1200, even if we take inflation into account. At least according to Hardware Unboxed's recent Q&A. I also agree as someone who has a background in market analysis etc. and who extensively analyzed and compared the Nvidia graphics card releases of the past 20 years. The 40 series is not just one of the worst generations in the history of graphics cards based on their performance increase, but it's also by far the most overpriced one. I'm sticking to my 3090.

[@ca9inec0mic58]

calling something overpriced and then having a 3090, I really hope you bought it below MSRP

[@fVNzO]

You had me at first there not gonna lie, then you dropped the 3090 in there and I got very confused. And then you said "im sticking with" which alludes to you upgrading every generation. You almost got me.

[@dEAdAimGUNSHOT]

I'd bet money that most gamers that have a 3000 series GPU got it in a pre-built PC. It's how I did it; only way really. Individually grabbing a 3000 series GPU was half the cost of a pre-build (at the time, around 2020 it was $900-$1,200 to grab a 3080 8GB by itself)

[@korana6308]

Yep. Their exact prices should be halved. Except for the 4090 which was always a halo Titan product though, and a halo Titan product used to be $1200 (what they are charging for 4080 now) but whatever you can sell your top level GPU for considerably more money. But 4080 should have costed $600 4070 ti should have costed 400 4060 ti 16 should have costed 250 4060 ti 8 should have costed 200 and they can charge for a halo product 1 grand or $1200, or honestly whatever money they want, as it's not supposed to be for us normal mortals, we can get the next best thing for much cheaper.

[@fVNzO]

@@korana6308 No, not really the 80 card used to be a full or close to 102/100 die (or whatever else it got called 10+ years ago). And no the first titan was 1k, as was the maxwell titan. Then they charged 1200 for the Xp which was just a 1080Ti, then replaced that with the XP (full die) for the same 1200. The 4090 is not a titan product at all. It's just what they used to call the "80ti", in fact it has more cores disabled than usual. Titans had special features back in the day, and twice the VRAM. This has the same 24GB you would expect for a high end GPU in 2023. And no special features. It's a rebranded 80/80Ti. That's basically a fact.

[@deathlykarma4620]

Whats the music in this video? Always wondered cause i hear it a lot in df videos and i like it a lot

[@ziizoraka4985]

14:40 i really disagree with this point. a developer cant make full use of 12GB console buffers, and 24GB high end card buffers, and also optimise those same Ultra textures for 8gb because thats where the majority of the market is. if people are willing to pay for cards with higher VRAM i think its perfectly fine for those people to be able to take advantage of that. so long as 8GB gamers can take advantage of lower texture settings i dont see a problem. we shouldnt hold back complexity in models and textures in gaming purely for nvidia's benefit

[@ivanbrasla]

This is also the Nvidia stance on this situation. The "There is alot of cards with 8GB ram and also the majority of gamers are on 1080p" kind of BS won't fly on a $400 GPU. I scrolled down to see if anyone else commented on that take because I was honestly surprised to see DF line-up with nvidia on this

[@JB.zero.zero.1]

I think if this were less than £300, maybe around £270, it would be more interesting. The performance is fine and would suit my older build.

[@wildwilie]

If this was a 4050, it would of been a pretty good card at 270$

[@marstedt]

Indeed the price is way off but is your older build a PCIe Gen3 or Gen4?

[@e2rqey]

You know it's bad when even DF considers this a complete L.

[@twisted-t]

Man, speaking of realistic configurations for this type of card - it'd be really amazing to see how it behaves with 3600 or 5600 because a lot of ppl are still on them and according to some videos I've seen just 8 PCI lanes means even worse performance for PCI 3.0 boards.

[@telefonbarmann4514]

Exactly, i missed this information in his review. Huge oversight from rich there imo.

[@BlindTrustProject]

From a pure technical point of view with core number and die size, Ada architecture is just one of the best improvement Nvidia ever did. It's so good that Nvidia felt they could castrated all cards on memory bus and quantity and move all refs 2 slots down the stack to fuck their customers while also considerably raise the prices on 70 and 80 classes.. Shameful move from Nvidia. The 4090 is the only honnest GPU in the serie. True 4080 is missing, 4080 should be 4070, 4070ti should be 4060ti, 4070 should be 4060, and 4060ti should be 4050 at best. AMD really needs to rise the bar to match DLSS technologie to make their cards trully competitiv... not just raster. Because right now DLSS is so good that it locks by itself Nvidia monopoly.

[@singular9]

When are people finally going to punish Nvidia for stuff like this!

[@RobinMBeatz]

I’m hoping the 40 series laptop cards are a better upgrade from the 30 series since the power efficiency seems to be the biggest upgrade

[@babyUFO.]

exactly.. yes. Finally someone with more than 2 braincells.

[@psylina]

If it's priced just right, then it the 40 series is probably alright for the laptop market

[@steveco1800]

Well the 4060 and 4070 were pretty underwhelming - more expensive than 3070 and 3070ti but similar performance and still 8gb. 4080 is the only laptop GPU I'd want but too expensive at the moment. The 6800m is also nice, but the Asus G15 Advantage Edition has issues and the 6850m in a Legion 7 is poor value. I bought a 3070 laptop on sale a while ago and have a Series X, which is usually marginally worse performance but way quieter and cheaper. Consoles are probably the way to go for now TBH. Hopefully next gen GPUs will be better value.

[@matthewsalmon8194]

Hardly any reviewers are addressing the PCI 3.0 issue also - people buying these cheaper cards are likely to have an older system - where performance will tank and comparisons to a card like the 2060 super will be less favourable. Nvidia are such a holes - they make a fantastic architecture with 4000 series but hamper it with lower cut down vram to boost their profit margins and push people to buy the more expensive cards where they make a higher margin. The 3060ti had 256GB/s vram - whilst the 4060ti has lesser chips and barely outperforms it..I really hope no one buys these sham cards..and Nvidia learns the lesson

[@mustjustbe]

Comparing buying a 1060 from zotac for 350 a couple years ago this is a steal

[@odinsplaygrounds]

Usually the higher end is diminishing returns... not with the 4090 though. It's almost double the performance of 3090, and even more than double in 3D rendering. But the lower end cards barely has an uplift gen on gen comparison, or at least a MUCH lower upgrade. I'm happy with the 4090 but can totally see the frustration here, seems Nvidia is doing everything in their power to upsell you products by making the lower end worse.

[@NatrajChaturvedi]

Apple (and the fuckers who buy their products) and even companies like Samsung have thought all the wrong (wrong in the sense that they suck for us) lessons to other companies.

[@mikem2253]

So glad I bought AMD again. Love my 7900xt

[@pkpnyt4711]

They haven't even touched on the fact that the 4060 ti completely chokes in PCI 3.0. This means if you have a 10th gen (or lower) intel chip, or B450 AM4, it is better to just buy the 3060ti as the performance delta between the 2 is even smaller or closer to zero.

[@gmiblessed]

Would’ve been good to compare RT Overdrive performance against the 3070 and 3060ti alongside given that RT is the future. Could give a better idea of which 8gb GPU would be the better long-term buy.

[@alexdrad4994]

no 8GB gpu is a good long term buy, period. ESPECIALLY for raytracing.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

​@Alex Drad which is sad but true. Next card I'm looking at is the 5080, after my 3070 is retired

[@i3l4ckskillzz79]

People are still buying this because many have no clue and only read rtx 4000

[@stephenmeinhold5452]

Steve from gamers nexus seems to be the only one bold enough to tell it like it is dont buy this card.

[@ShinyHelmet]

Hardware Unboxed called the 4060 Ti trash, so it seems the two Steve's think alike. 😂

[@kookoon]

what an awesome review, very informative and explains the (few) use cases for when is worth to buy this gpu.

[@N0N0111]

15:00 And the new next-gen AAA games are not out yet, you know the ones on next-gen game engines. When we get those performance will be even more pathetically bad for these over expensive cut down hardware.

[@darthroxas8045]

Im holding on to my 3060TI for another 2 years then switching to AMD...