Is the Soul Hackers 2 DLC Any Good?

[@Nyarly]

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[@TrainerGoId]

Are they good? NO

[@mhennessey58]

That hurdle of having to get the free dlc to unlock 'very hard' mode is most likely a tactic to get people onto the storepage and expose them to the other priced dlc. To entice them to buy one of or all the other dlc. I do not see any other reason for this seeing as they have the capacity to just patch it into the game or simply have it be ready at launch.

[@ubermaster1]

It definitely is. A lot of MMOs do this, where they will advertise and offer free DLC packs including beginner items, and then right under said free items, you'll be bombarded with the "actual" DLCs. Black Desert Online does this ALOT(and it's even worse cause that's a pay to play MMO, only like 5-10 bucks nowadays but still)

[@Captain_Chaz86]

i was gonna argue Unity didn't support hot fixes. Than i remember, the big 3 made it recently a requirement for the current systems to get games published

[@SETHmusic412]

Man, seeing Atlus go down this path hurts a little worse than other companies.

[@therealjaystone2344]

P5 route

[@redajabarin2999]

@@therealjaystone2344 more like the Ubisoft route

[@justanotherchaika]

This is not anything new, it has been this way since SMTIV

[@ricardobelmont5984]

Could be worst we could have that literally book of dlc koei tecmo puts out for some stuff.

[@SETHmusic412]

@@ricardobelmont5984 Just because someone else has it worse doesnt excuse this.

[@LockedOnTargetShow]

The free dlc is specifically there just to take you the storefront and climatize you as the user to what it looks like. And basically its a "walkthrough" of buying the DLC, paving that pathway in your brain so you can shorten the time between impulse and analysis.

[@JNCGaming]

Yeah you’re exactly right

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

Ringo being the only one that runs around in the dungeons is probably the *reason* why Atlus didn’t bother with the costumes. Apathy.

[@accountwontlastlong1]

Syndrome.

[@ShinigamiOni]

Really though you only ever see the costumes in battles anyway.

[@powd3r392]

i really miss the times where we could get a costume or bgm by completing an achievement or doing an easter egg

[@DracoMetorHD]

or in horror games u'd get funny stuff for NG+ ;____;

[@Animechargeblog]

I'm fine with cosmetics and music DLC (even tho I would prefer for costumes to be unlocked by playing), but story/characters/demons being locked behind them is a huge pain in the ass. I think Atlus is testing the stage to what they can get away with in terms of DLC, they are pushing more and more, until we say "thats enought" and thats where they will set their bar. We can expect similar DLC pratices in all future games.

[@PhantomThiefOracle]

i also hate when fan favorite demons get locked behind dlc ESPECIALLY mara and satan, just saying that decision is questionable would be the understatement of the century

[@TheDarkEnigma]

The fact the made mara and satan DLC is the actual dealbreaker. Those should have been in from the start. They definitely made them and then decided 'haha dlc time'

[@Bos_Meong]

wow i didint know mara was locked. is this future of gaming? also this game jas no regional price on steam, the price are fucking insane on my country

[@Deoxys_Used_Mimic]

I think they’re beyond “testing.” It clearly works; maybe not for a few of us, but clearly *enough.*

[@amaterasu_xo]

The music and costume dlcs are still overpriced af

[@Cyberdragunz]

I hate DLC structures like this in general. DLC should only be for legitimate game expansions like the story stuff, and should most definitely not be day 1 DLC. Games should be going on the shelf in a complete state, with expansions coming later. Day 1 DLC is fine for cosmetics etc, that don't actually impact gameplay and it doesn't negatively impact the player to not buy them. Holding back parts of a game to sell them separately **ON LAUNCH DAY ESPECIALLY** is an absolutely cancerous and anti-consumer practice that should not be supported in any way.

[@therealjaystone2344]

Japan doesn’t care about the fans but imagine if a AAA studio Didi the same in the west

[@kannyboy1847]

​@@therealjaystone2344 The west are who really popularised scummy DLC and microtransactions dude, Japan joined the party only recently.

[@ologracz1110]

@@therealjaystone2344 they're doing it all the time though. I guess people in japan are so obedient they just accept whatever. This actually makes a lot of sense.

[@The_Evening_Sun]

I mean there's day 1 Xenoblade 3 dlc. But the DLC for Xenoblade is pretty fantastic usually

[@skunthundler]

@@therealjaystone2344 Haha yeah, imagine that...

[@homerogonzalez7973]

Best title and thumbnail duo I seen yet

[@brawlman2000064]

Made me laugh when I got the notification.

[@NamelessEmiya]

Fr its on point

[@RelSigmaPrime]

“Lemon-Lime edition.” I almost spit out my drink. Ahhhh my sides. 😭

[@bearandthebull2372]

Atlus has ALWAYS had this issue.Smt iv had the archangels locked behind a paywall,a booster dlc,and 2 random boss battles that had zero significance or justification for buying them. Hell persona 5 alone had enough payed dlc that you can buy another triple A game with the amount they wanted you to spend on it.

[@ExemplarKyle]

Even the $13 for costumes was a stretch. Everything beyond that is an insult, especially considering this is day 1 DLC. Puts me off of buying the whole damn game, honestly.

[@therealjaystone2344]

Imagine Switch owners had the game a year later with DLC included into the cartridge

[@Cyberdragunz]

Right? I'm legit considering just finding a crack for the whole thing to not pay for any of it, just because giving any money seems like I'm endorsing this sort of release practice and I just can't support it. Maybe someday when a steam sale puts it to 80% off or more, then it'll get my money. By then there'll be a re-release with the complete package anyway.

[@SavagePatch115]

It put me off for sure

[@hornetsaysshaw3290]

@@Cyberdragunz Just to let you know, Soul Hackers 2 uses Denuvo so probably will never be cracked on PC. SMT Nocturne Remasterted has still not been cracked on PC

[@blastmole299]

@@hornetsaysshaw3290 That seems more like the crackers don't bother cracking Nocturne remastered

[@absoutezeo2126]

"Can modders add in the same content as your DLC?" If the answer to this question is yes, you aren't doing DLC right. Vanity changes and background music isn't worth money, it should be part of the game. Remember when games made you earn costumes through in-game challenges, making it more worthwhile to play the game beyond the main quest? I sure do, but it seems like almost no game devs remember that. As for BGM, you can just turn the game volume off and play tracks on your phone if you want different music.

[@blumiu2426]

I remember those days. They made the games worth it and memorable. You did something to earn them, uncovered a secret that was part of the game as well. Now you give money and just....open a chest or something and it's there. As always, the trade of with better graphics was creativity and story takes a back seat. Not often will you find someone maintaining that balance.

[@chasesmay7237]

It’s crazy to think that if this game had been ‘complete’ at launch and included the costumes as hidden items, included the dlc quest in the base game…it would have likely gotten better reviews and just sold more copies. Altus really does dlc poorly and has for a while now, and it’s a shame. They have fans who really care about their ip hand they milk them rather than take care of them. I mean, I’ve loved smt for years and years but day 1 dlc really pisses me off

[@blumiu2426]

Well, it's not SMT anymore. They took it from the title for a reason.

[@Miyakolover]

What are you even whining about here?

[@glowing_clod969]

Won't lie was looking forward to playing soul hackers 2 when I heard about it. Unfortunately the paid day one dlc is a deal breaker for me, I wouldn't feel right supporting the practice.

[@therealjaystone2344]

SMTV too and you have to wait a week later after launch for a price cut and DLC bundle too

[@damastertony3986]

Just don’t buy the dlc and just the main game. If you don’t buy the dlc it’s hopefully teach Atlus that day one dlc is bullshit and they shouldn’t do this again

[@---oq5kb]

Here's a basic explanation Getting dlc and the game= these game is great and the dlc is also great Getting only the game = game is good but dlc is bad Not getting either = we don't want more spinoffs we just want persona and mainline smt.

[@vorpal22]

You really don't need the DLC. It's an awesome game. Buy the base game and have fun. Vote with your dollars by refusing to buy the DLC.

[@marcosdheleno]

@@---oq5kb in other words, its manipulative BS that will punish a community for not wanting this kind of shit.

[@xxspiritgunxx632]

When will Atlus stop with this day 1 dlc bs they expect someone to buy a game seeing $56 worth of dlc content on day 1? That’s damn near how much full price games used to be…

[@therealjaystone2344]

And to top of that, you have to wait a week later for a bundled package for cheap

[@ovensmuggler5207]

Hopefully they'll learn from this and stop locking content behind paywalls AT LAUNCH

[@astolfo2305]

nah they never learn

[@kingleoverse]

Stop buying dLc

[@kaiserwave5977]

Probably not the Atlus simps will continue buying the dlcs no matter what

[@ovensmuggler5207]

@@kingleoverse I don't even have the base game lol, I might buy it, but definetely without dlc

[@zaxon810]

They won't.

[@araniusprod]

i just have one word for these types of consumer exploytation: AHOY!!!!!

[@crawdkenny]

3:53 "how about some devil summoner 1 costumes?" While showing Rei's outfit

[@tomatopawah6877]

Nyarly moment

[@jbakes17]

This DLC really kinda turns me away from the game sadly. Cant get stuff unless I buy the digital premium edition? Thats some Koei Techmo bs. They dropped the ball with this game so I'm gonna wait for a nice sale on the PS4 physical. I want PC but I hate dealing with Denuvo.

[@alexvirgen4584]

Since the 3ds eShop will be eventually close forever I would be great to know about the DLCs in those SMT games as well

[@kaiserwave5977]

Just emulate them

[@raymondlevy1255]

Better yet, install CFW and play natively. Why pay money for something that's about to be taken away?

[@paperluigi6132]

@@raymondlevy1255 because emulating touch screen controls is not fun AT ALL

[@raymondlevy1255]

@@paperluigi6132 >emulating 3DS games on a 3DS ???

[@MrSTVR]

If the game underperforms tell Atlus and Sega it's because of the DLC. Even if that's not accurate it might be the best way to convince them to knock it off already.

[@accountwontlastlong1]

This video eliminated any regrets I might've had about not buying the DLC. I'll just play the game as is, this isn't worth the money, like you said.

[@chrisjr6214]

This is pretty standard now with Atlus campaign of burning bridges while milking the success of other entries/spinoffs and making you pay for it. Was thinking we'd get an SMTV BGM/costume set. Least we got Raidou.

[@JosueDeLaRosa02]

I'm a simple man I see Nemissa in the thumbnail I click

[@alejandrovaldez9848]

Wait what?! Nemissa isn’t even in the game itself? No side mission for her, even if she’s from the same series? Jesus Atlus.

[@WiffleYK]

Atlus day 1 DLC be like: 20 Dollars for 9 Demons 😰

[@marcosdheleno]

worse, its 20 dollars for op demons that will unbalance the game completely and make you feel like they are either mandatory or instigate you to use them instead of the stuff you have to find playing normaly.

[@caivondavenez3854]

Went on the psn store to pre order a while back and saw that the $90 version had story dlc that the $60 dollar version didn't have and backed out of the store

[@Eric_Cartman1]

I’ll buy Soul Hackers 2 when it’s around the $20 range.

[@therealjaystone2344]

$10

[@Drilbit]

Or when they port it to switch with all the dlc in there. Considering its poor sales i imagine sega or atlus will probably squeeze one out later.

[@micahlindley7515]

I'll just pirate it.

[@Eric_Cartman1]

I’ve recently beat the game and it was alight. It’s a 7-8/10 game at best. The game was listed at $30 on Amazon and I’ve used a $25 gift card. I think I got my money’s worth for what it is.

[@noirscape_]

Honestly what baffles me the most is that the Phantom Thieves costume is pre-order *locked*. Not pre-order "exclusive" like a lot of other games do their pre-order material, where it just kinda is the deluxe edition, you just got it at a cheaper price. No it's straight up *locked*. As in, unless you fuck with Steamworks, you can't get these costumes anymore. The only real consolation from what I can find is that it's not DLC _content_ but instead is merely a Steamworks license check (similar to Paradox-style DLC) so it's not a permanent disaster from a preservation perspective. Even so, this sort of DLC practice fell out of favor years ago after GameStop preorders were met with so much backlash for a reason. The only ones that get away with it these days are MMOs and Live Services and Soul Hackers 2 is neither of those.

[@millasgameroom]

It's a shame ATLUS treated this game badly with regards to DLC. One reason I'm hoping it comes to Switch later on is so that the Switch port could include some of this DLC on cart. At the very least the bonus story with Nana should be included on cart in such a port.

[@therealjaystone2344]

Just wait one year from now

[@Omelander]

That’s why p5R on all platforms is good because all the dlc will now be preserved on a disc

[@mtsthoughts2008]

Also most of the dungeons are pretty bland

[@SlimeDoesArt]

@@mtsthoughts2008 honestly, the dungeon design feels like a vita jrpg lmao

[@zeroskaterz92]

@@Omelander How tf P5R on platform is good when the DLCs are locked behind on a paywall for the PS4 version?

[@Rodri34451]

4:39 And you can do that too in Persona 4 Golden. I really don't understand why they made it like that here.

[@Vitflamo]

I find it weird that there isn't smt v outfits, party members in Tokusatsu costumes would make me buy the dlc lmao

[@burnt_ramen9757]

Something else I hate is that Ai-Ho and the Mary skin are locked behind the digital ultimate edition and the Phantom Thieves skins were pre-order only but only certain versions. I got the collector's edition (which I have to wait a month for the contents of) and it comes with none of the DLC, not even the Phantom Thieves preorder stuff. If I want to have all the content I have to pay an extra $40 and since there's no upgrade pack or separate DLC I'd have to spend another $90 for Ai-Ho and Mary's skin then hope someone has a spare code for the Phantom Thieves skins. It's genuinely insane how greedy and poorly handled this is.

[@trashboat1814]

Bruh atlus has been really disappointing with the non persona releases and it’s actually getting annoying it’s annoying how they’re just putting all their efforts into persona while having this devil may care attitude about everything else

[@therealjaystone2344]

SH2 is persona while SH1 was SMT

[@shawklan27]

​@@therealjaystone2344 yep

[@blumiu2426]

@@therealjaystone2344 Amen.

[@jay-praru236]

i cant get over lemon lime edition that is the most perfect name for a P5 royal counter part for Soul hackers 2

[@girlywolfpup1588]

ATLUS really has to give the "mysterious new girl" thing a rest like yeah sometimes it works like Sumire in Persona 5 Royal or Rin in Catherine Full Body but Marie in Persona 4 Golden and Nana in Soul Hackers 2 both just get stapled into narratives they don't fit into and end up feeling tact on So like the trope needs to either become consistent or stop being done

[@theking5116]

m8 its never worked its a dumb gimmick to get clowns like you to buy the same game twice. They've never done this just for the novelty in the story. Literally just for extra shekels.

[@charlottewiltshire6076]

'like yeah sometimes it works like Sumire in Persona 5 Royal or Rin in Catherine Full Body but Marie in Persona 4 Golden and Nana in Soul Hackers 2 both just get stapled into narratives they don't fit into and end up feeling tact on" I honestly don't see how Royal and Full Body are any different from Golden or Soul Hackers 2 in that regard. In fact, the only ATLUS game where the "mysterious new girl" thing mostly worked was Strange Journey REDUX (in my opinion, at least), and every other time they tried to pull it off before or since ended in a complete failure. Rin literally breaks the entire premise of Catherine, ruining the established Freedom/Individuality/Commitment trichotomy by introducing a third romance option that not only has almost nothing to do with anything else going on in a story, but is also so cute and sweet and caring compared to the two (very flawed) original girls that most people will naturally gravitate towards him and miss a lot of what made the "classic" Catherine so great. Plus, Rin is a femboy, so he gets additional attractiveness points for that, too, considering that him being a crossdresser was somewhat of a big selling point. As for Sumire, I quite liked her character during the third semester, but the way she was integrated into the rest of the narrative ranges from somewhat decent to awful, and the prologue of the game is a very good example of the latter: the whole point of that scene is that Joker plays the role of a scapegoat, drawing all attention to himself and allowing the rest of the Phantom Thieves to escape unnoticed, but ATLUS just couldn't keep it in their pants, so eager to show the players their new $60 waifu, and so they fucked up everything by randomly having Yoshizawa support Joker during one of the tutorial battles. Just think about it: someone who hasn't played the vanilla Persona 5 and just picked up Royal for the first time will meet Sumire - a character who is barely relevant to the plot for about 80% of the game - before they meet Morgana, or Ryuji, or Ann. How stupid-ass backwards is that? So, yeah, I fully agree with your conclusion that "the trope needs to either become consistent or stop being done", but disagree that ATLUS were ever really "good" at it (SJ REDUX is a single exception that proves the rule).

[@shawklan27]

preach

[@blumiu2426]

Japan in general have a trope problem. I'm not sure why it's used as a crutch so much with certain companies picking their go-to for it, but when it comes to girls: "waifu" bait. They know the lonely otaku will bite or people caught up in the cute. I miss when they didn't pay so much attention to archetypes and created characters. Now the characters have to be a characterization. They aren't as bad as others, but still going down the path even Square-Enix found itself.

[@blumiu2426]

@@charlottewiltshire6076 SMT games don't overplay their hand, in my opinion. They did seem to fail with SMT V having weak characterization, so maybe the issues is Atlus now. They are trying to sell trends, which was an issue back when that transition was happening with SMT IV Apocalypse. New blood don't have old-school views or ideas, they've been raised in a kawaii and moe generation. It's almost a creative bankrupt issue they have whereas the West inserts political ideology.

[@geekintheshell6669]

Saving $0.97 on the DLC bundle is better than in the UK, where buying the DLC separate is £1 cheaper than the bundle because of course it is.

[@SuperLegendOf364]

Damn, and I really wanted that maid outfit. I'm starting to get a bit nervous for Persona 6.

[@RaspyCh]

Remember when we had costumes to buy in game with in game money in persona 4 golden? I member…

[@McLovin-Chan]

The demon dlc pisses me off. These are included in every game and now we have to pay $13? Bruh moment. Locking the phantom thieves outfit behind the digital edition really pissed me off tho ngl the Ringo joker looks fire

[@marcosdheleno]

dont forget how it also breaks balance, since you can get them anytime.

[@00Boogie]

I wouldn't mind the costume DLC if the whole feature wasn't purely DLC. P4: Golden had it right with the wide array of quests to complete and Atlus basically said "never again."

[@marcosdheleno]

right? imagine if it was just part of the game's normal player customization. and they made the game, they could made it feel far more natural as well. but nop, its something for battles only.

[@indecision6326]

You know Atlus fucked up when you can make an entire ten-minute video to elaborate on a single word.

[@dunglifemovement]

heard the Costume packs are only worn during battle and not in the open world, which also sucks

[@Neonlight3934]

2:20 That's the point, It makes easier to force consumers to buy It now or have to pay for a re-release that will be more expensive than the OG. The fact that is DLC doesn't make It less of a bitch move.

[@nickhalfmann8397]

The only Demon that would be unique to use is Nemisa in that DLC. Definitely not worth 13 bucks.

[@redajabarin2999]

I'm just waiting for the game to get cracked cuz i ain't buying all of this shit

[@kaiserwave5977]

I only buy physical games so content being locked behind digital purchase is such a huge turnoff for me

[@mynameisgoblin2762]

always love when you upload brother

[@jayDee92133]

This disrespect for p1 and p2 is getting old now.

[@steel5897]

Atlus day 1 DLC is pretty much guaranteed to be bad unless it's actually good content that they blatantly cut from the game (like the SMTV fiend DLC), which in a way makes it even more painful.

[@CrimRui]

I was thinking of getting the DLC but once I found out that you can only see them in battle I decided not to. That is so stupid, why not give option to see Ringo in different outfits while I walk around?

[@andreworders7305]

There really needs to be a toggle for disabling the DLC demons before you reach their level

[@LuluTeala]

Nemissa being paywalled is an insult to the first game.

[@jonathanpadillaafonso5107]

Does anyone know If we will be able to buy the phantom thieves outfits? I got scammed by the website I bought the Game at... Well, not exactly that, but the day the game was released got Everything besides the pre order bonuses, which is frustrating (I pre ordered the game on that website, well, a key for steam)

[@christopherdyson1158]

Just so people know the Steam version of the game is on sale on Fanatical for 20% off, and an additional 5% off until September 6th. Which makes me a bit tempted to go for the premium version as it then becomes about $60... and I kinda want Nemissa... idk... might wait until last minute myself to see how I really feel.

[@jakg8423]

Yep that's what I feared. Im just going to wait until the price drop. I just started SMT 3 and its been a blast.

[@Hamstergeval]

I dont mind day 1 dlc, but...costumes only showing up in combat? Are we back into the late 90s playing on our psx.

[@angwelio]

I got a soul hackers ad when seeing this

[@shamenpafekuto3795]

I agree about the "new" demons "Saladin", "Nobunaga" And "Jean D Arc".

[@sakurazuka90]

I beat Lost Numbers final boss on recommended level. After two sidequests and some party optimisation it's hard but doable.

[@kemix1006]

Short answer: No. Long answer: FUCK NO. Longer answer: NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[@ostrichlord9097]

They're trimming the juicy steak fat and trying to sell back.

[@valletas]

Why are extra dificulties coming with day 1 dlc? Like atlus been doing that with most of their games and i dont understand why it isnt just in the game

[@mkultraenjoyer]

I for the life of me will not understand why the only atlus game I ever enjoyed was persona 3 portable

[@warriorofthegrandline2y618]

When American companies do this shit: Yeah I’m not buying this dumpster fire When Japanese companies do this: Oh GOD HOW FAR WILL YOU TEST ME!

[@heehoostockdude2338]

SH2: *Does crap dlc* Fans: wow atlus just hit a new low SMT V: *does the same stuff* Fans: muack, a masterpiece

[@blumiu2426]

I thought people complained there, as well. I think since this is on consoles, it is being noticed by broader audience, not just Nintendo.

[@Kyfow]

People were definitely not happy about the DLC for SMTV, what are you talking about? Locking demifiend behind a paywall was one of the lamest things EVER.

[@JameboHayabusa]

Ngl seeing that Raidou Kuzunoha outfit almost made me buy the dlc. Hate these practices.

[@moonraven6145]

It's DLC practices like this that turn a game I might have picked up on Sale, cause Money's fairly tight atm into an apathetic sigh and probably not going to bother even if it's on Sale decision.

[@jackfavvv0280]

Unless you are into hard wallets, I strongly disagree with it being "something that most definitely is worth your money"

[@sgtchief]

What makes it worse is that they put demons behind a paywall that normally were in the base game of past Atlus games like Mara and Satan. Add on top of that story DLC being day one as well, Atlus is clearly being very predatory with their DLC practices. A good example of a good way to do DLC is Xenoblade Chronicles 3, they didn't have a bunch of day one junk launched with the game, they announced an expansion pass with content that will release over the course of the next year (including a meaty story expansion).

[@Caribbean-Man]

I bought the premium version from a keyseller and like 100s of others the dlc doesnt show up in-game. Atlus hasnt fixed this day one error.

[@mizzix]

Seems like atlus efforts only go to persona nowadays.

[@dunglifemovement]

i'm so glad i decided to skip this game. i was literally a few seconds away from downloading the Digital Premium edition for $90, but my gut feeling pushed me to double check the commentary online. and yeah, it's not worth it.

[@thrillhouse4151]

All those costumes and not a single Demonica suit!!!

[@jonate79]

I'm curious on how many people actually bought the game let alone the premium edition??

[@ZeroWolf_Panthersgaming8412]

How did you get the persona outfits

[@GSSAGE7]

Wait, fucking MASAKADO, SATAN, AND MARA ARE DLC? I can get Nemissa being DLC, she's literally a cameo from a previous game, and even looks the same, but those three are fucking iconic!

[@matteste]

Seriously, my relationship with Atlus and their games have been seriously strained in recent years. It feels like that ever since SMTIV it has been a slow and creeping decent as the series identity and integrity erodes away, SH2 just being the latest example of this. Meanwhile, toxic business decisions make an already bad situation worse, further disincentivizing me to get invested in any way.

[@majinnoni5621]

as a person who bought digital premium I hated how the only thing I felt was worth it was booster pack and the side story

[@inigoerrandonea2513]

Can't wait for Atlus to remake P3FES and have day 1 dlc that includes the answer 🥳

[@thorcolossus]

5:30, oh god my eyes. Mentions $13 dlc… oh now that’s just disgusting.

[@Slimjim8345]

First of all, thank you for telling me about the smt4 difficulty dlc. I need to download that before the eshop vanishes. I still don't know how I feel about the costumes dlc. For me, that is way too expensive, but at the same time, I wouldn't buy it anyway and it's just cosmetics. If they charged $100 for it, it still wouldn't affect me in any way and my experience of the game would be unchanged and I wouldn't feel like I missed out on anything.

[@Sakura665]

Well... at least its nice of Atlus to bundle the booster item DLC and the extra story DLC in the deluxe edition, which is what i got. Dunno if it's regional pricing or something but buying the deluxe edition was cheaper than buying base game + story arc DLC. I tried the booster items and thought it was broken af, so i disabled it in the config. But looks like i might need it by the end of the story arc DLC.

[@chrislee5268]

"Marie was handled better" Lol Lmao

[@jojomicheldu59]

With SMT V Atlus started to fall off really hard and it's not showing signs of stopping

[@NeoCelestial]

The Digital Premium is now on sale for 22.5$ on PSN, I'm thinking on getting that now. Is it worth it? I mean, the base game is for 14$ but the dlc are still on base price so I can't just get the base game and the bonus story.

[@PajuTheAccursed]

i like akechi with a tommy gun

[@Screwy]

Actually chances are you might have the costumes and they simply aren't appearing because the PC version's costume DLC is broken for a lot of people Though maybe it's fixed by now?

[@00Boogie]

I think it's funny how every channel I see tackle this question was compelled to say no in the thumbnail.

[@mojibake.]

Earlier this year I saw a heavily discounted game on steam but the DLC were almost full price so I started to buy games without any DLC at all, just the base game and thats it, it actually doesn't make that much of a difference tbh and I saved a lot of money...

[@AustinMmmmmm]

Let’s be honest, they have been doing a lot of copy pasting for a while, especially the demons, like, make some new ones, I don’t get exited by unlocking the same ones game after game, stop it.

[@oscarzxn4067]

8:02 Oh thank you for that, some youtubers don't do that

[@ltb1345]

Hmm, I might get the extra story DLC when it's on sale and I'm on NG+. Maybe the demons as well. The rest I'll skip.

[@aidenp8661]

i was hoping with the demon dlc before I saw it that it was like P5 where they were altered versions of demons form past games, not copies like this. ig with that it was about persona so prob wouldn't have seen them here but would have been cool

[@furyrageguy5728]

People saying “they’re fine with dlc day1 cosmetics”, but this is exactly what lead to current issue. People started to be less concerned about day1 dlc if they’re “just” cosmetics, so companies became bolder and bolder. Man, no day1 dlcs are acceptable no matter what content they included. Small indie developers are able to put big free expansions, so I’m not ok with big companies doing it day1 for money.

[@faidou9954]

So this is how the SMT spin offs end, with a wimper.

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

i honestly dont mind DLC anymore.. Im just used to it now. As long as the game isnt severely damaged by the lack of the DLC, I am okay with it

[@therealjaystone2344]

DLCs are bad business practices at the start. Free updates is the bigger insult to us.

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

@@therealjaystone2344 I mostly agree but micro transactions I think have shifted the entire dynamic moving forward. :/

[@ologracz1110]

yeah, that's how they get you. You get used to shit like this, maybe even support it, then they go deeper. I wonder if you will be fine when you will have to pay for every hour you play. No? Too bad, too late to go back now. Stop gaming? Well, thanks for destroying our passion and taking a leave.

[@EventHorizon_Alex]

The problem is this is zero-effort DLC, it’s not really content that significantly enhances or expands the game but is coming off as a more blatant cash grab.

[@bradyp634]

Honestly I don’t mind the grinding DLC in games because usually once I’ve beaten the game I like to grind my character out to be as strong as possible. SMT IV Apocolypse made this very fun and easy to do, especially considering you can go beyond level 99, and all stats can be increased to 999. SMT V grinding wasn’t as fun because by the end of the true neutral route you’re already around the max level, and from what I remember there was no reliable way to get stat boosting items with the DLC. That was kind of weird IMO, you’re already selling an easy way to level up so why exclude the one thing you want to level up for? This time around it looks pretty promising, grinding in this game really isn’t that bad in the first place, but if I ever want to make my party unstoppable once I’ve beaten everything I’ll pick it up.

[@marcosdheleno]

i hate them because they feel unatural. i would rather the game have spots that feel like a natural place to grind as much as i want. having it the way they made just takes away from the gameplay experience.