FANUC RoboDrill CNC Machine: Showing what a Drill Tap machine can do!

[@SailinCTD]

Fanuc is for sure one of those love it hate it controls. I usually love Fanuc but sometimes i want to take it out back and make it "stare at the flowers"

[@BYDFS1996]

For the transfer of programs from and to USB, use the “Quick N/C” button on the right hand side of your controller and go to the horizontal softkey labelled “quick edit”. Here there is a very straightforward GUI that allows you to transfer via any storage device connected to the controller. The “Quick N/C” menus hold a lot of info and functionality that is commonly sought after. Hope this helps.

[@halopartyboy]

I find it quite hilarious how that control is almost identical to the 20 year old Robodrill I learned CNC on. There’s maybe five buttons out of place, but the jog Keys , memory, edit, everything important is right in the same spot. Even the screen visuals haven’t changed very much.

[@almostanengineer]

If it ain’t broke, why fix itz

[@AlexKall]

They have gotten a shared guided ui feature on both robot controller and robodrill nowadays and it's simpler to get started with the two working together now. I work with robots, done some robodrill integration but not that much.

[@josef5636]

@@almostanengineer to make it better?

[@Dr.K.Wette_BE]

Cool ! At my job we have a Fanuc six axis pickup robot. We make plastic injected parts. The remote is not user friendly as you said, but after some time, you get used to it.

[@Eatongee]

We have 2 of these. We mounted the arm to the top of the cage instead of the floor. This allows you to leave the lower half of the cage open for picking up raw material and placing finished parts.

[@nickp1987]

So I started a new job about a month ago and they set me in front of two five axis Robodrills and a Hyundai WIA and were like "LOL, HERE'S YOUR PROGRAMS, MAKE IT HAPPEN!" All of my previous work experience has been in three axis HAAS land. For the most part I've muddled through and figured it out with one exception: I REALLY like to be able to run the preview graphics to see what the machine is going to do before I hit the go button and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make it work on FANUC controllers. Going and asking other people who have run these machines before has universally yielded answers along the lines of, "Oh, uh, just don't do that." Really hope your upcoming video touches on that.

[@footpetaljones]

If your control is new enough to have the graph button, you can view a simulation there. Not sure exactly how its run, but ive watched our apps guys do it there several times

[@bsf225]

We have 4 LR-Mate robots, and you're right, the programming is NOT user friendly. At all. The robots overall are FANTASTIC, so it's really strange why they haven't revisited their software to make it at least somewhat intuitive. We run unattended 24/7 and the reliability of the robots is unmatched. Most of them are 15 years old or so. Amazing.

[@nothing2loud]

Ran lots of fanuc robodrill’s at kawasaki motor plant in Maryville MO for 15 years

[@bcbloc02]

If you avoid milling type operations the low drawbar force probably not a big issue. Just like how morse taper is incredibly stout in pure torque but tends to come out if you side load it.

[@TheFeralEngineer]

I used to beat the shit out of a mate years ago. I broke more pull studs than I had an issue with tools pulling out 👌

[@Pieh0]

Nice to see Fanuc hasn't changed much in the 20 years I last touched one, and that was the old Fanuc 16 series. *sigh*

[@grottyboots]

See my reply to @fischX above. Your 20-years ago knowledge would give you a leg up on any other Fanuc CNC. Cheers!

[@ratdude747]

My employer considered Ready Robotics (we're kinda local, a few hours away) for our Fanuc and Motoman robots. Ended up not going there partially because we've been running robots for so many years and their platform is so far different that for our experienced crew, it would be a burden. Also, I never got a good answer on how well "specialty" instructions/routines were supported (such as the compensation functions used to shift the TCP and weld points on a spot welding robot whenever they dress their weld tips); as an engineer (and "power user" if you will), I (and the other engineers) do use some specialty settings/instructions to optimize our processes. Production hours are made of cycle seconds! For what you, NYCNC would have been doing, Ready Robotics is probably an ideal solution, especially since this is your first industrial robot and you'd primarily be doing material handling with the robot being the main brain of the handling operation (most of our equipment is primarily PLC based, with the robot following the PLC's commands to do things). I do see the value in their product; it just wasn't a great fit for our applications. PS: I feel your pain on Fanuc's Teach pendant UI being a bit tedious. Compared to our other main platform I routinely work on (Motoman NX100 and DX100), while Fanuc does have slicker technology, I do prefer the Motoman UI (a lot less work to do the same thing). But still a lot better than, say, Panasonic (which another division of my employer uses a lot of for MIG welding), or worse yet, the early 2000's Kawasaki "C" controllers we still have a few of in operation. The latter was so goofy that I'm told that when Kawasaki developed the "D" controller, they ditched the C's UI entirely (wouldn't personally know, by that point we were back to buying Motoman).

[@fischX]

Nobody can make a more unintuitive UI than linuxCNC. Fanuc: Hold my drill.

[@grottyboots]

One good thing: If you know one Fanuc control, you can usually find your way around any other Fanuc model. For the day-to-day operations, the menus are similar enough... judicious use of the + and > softkeys will usually get you where you need to go. Same goes for the underlying PLC programming, macro programming, and NC coding. At the basic level, a 0i-Mate PLC is very similar to a 31i-A5 PLC, and all the variations in between. The differences are usually due to the new features of the higher-powered controls. Doesn't apply to the bastard 15i series of controls. Complete break with tradition. Drove me up the wall!

[@X197ToPlay]

@@grottyboots yehr Work on a Robodrill and then switch onto a Star ^^

[@SuperYellowsubmarin]

Coming from Haas controls that must be painful !

[@TomashPL58]

Since I've read like 100 comments on Fanuc controls being unintuitive and bulky. Thing is, Fanuc keeps things standardized. If You learn to program or use new machine, You can go and do exactly that with almost any machine from Fanuc made in last 30 years. It's exactly same with robots. We have robots made last year, robots made early 2000's and even from 1990's and except for older pendants lacking color screens - almost everything is exactly the same. One day they will have to change that, technology goes in large leaps, but their idea of keeping a straight standard is IMHO great. Also, You can buy any part for any machine, if they don't have it, they will make one just for You. It will not be cheap, but still possible. Others like Kuka will tell You to buy new robot.. I'm working with Fanuc and Yaskawa robots every day. Since I've learned Fanuc, everything is simple, stable and I love it.

[@guitaraffa]

Ed: "Things that you think would be patched or figured out by this point in this control's developmental history" Fanuc: " Developmental history? What's that? " Haas: "Hey, we made 3 upgrades to our control and added a cup-holder to our VMC during the course of this video, based on some comments some dude in his garage made on instagram. Would you like to upgrade over wi-fi?"

[@madaxe79]

Also Haas: don’t worry about the vibration and chatter when cutting hard steels, that just adds to the character. See how light our machines are compared to our competitors.

[@johnmorack7619]

@@madaxe79 thats haas' knurling program all sides of your part get a nice knurled effect from the chatter. its a free option!

[@madaxe79]

@@johnmorack7619 ahhh dirka dirka

[@ryannolan293]

If the holder you showed is the one you using, then that is not a dual contact. BBT30 dual contact holder should have the shoulder coming form the taper grind. The dual contact comes from the taper and grind shoulder.

[@wildin13]

Well I don't know about 30 taper but on BT40 there is normally a 2mm break between taper and the shoulder. This gap remains in the BBT40 but halfed to 1mm.

[@ryannolan293]

Just remember, if you have a BBT30 spindle. You should be use BBT 30 holder. A quick Google images search will show you how it works.

[@jonnyboy4774]

4:39 wouldn't the high power version be better for more than tapping holes? What exactly is the high power version?

[@PiersonWorkholding]

3:20 - What kind of Haimer geniusness is going on here!?! I think this needs a video of its own.

[@cambroe]

I believe they talked about it in their fairly recent video about 3D printing various things for your shop. IIRC files should be available on their site for the Haimer preload screw thing

[@Foghorn436]

That was in the 3d printing video - it pre-compresses the haimer tip to zero.

[@maltekaiser]

Use different DrawBar Spring?;)

[@WreckDiver99]

Gotta love Karel...Yea...I used to work for these guys (dream job). Not sure what you mean about "non-user friendly" pendent. It all comes down to time on the system and the software installed on the controller as well. The robot and base controller is pretty darn inexpensive, but the software can cost a bundle. I was a little shocked when I saw that little LR-Mate, and at the beginning I kind of said "yea, that's not going to work for you guys"...In the end, FANUC isn't a HUGE CNC player any longer. They are primarily a ROBOT Company. BTW: A M710-iB or a M16 may be what you're looking for in terms of un-attended operation...16Kg payload on that M16. Believe me, those machines can do A LOT...you're used to your Haas...we all know it. LOL...spoiled even...LOL

[@atvheads]

It is possible to make a macro program to load files from the card.

[@johnmorack7619]

you have piqued my interest. how would on go about making this macro program?

[@sahilatlury7192]

Finally a Fanuc robodrill video 😄

[@ErostheEpic]

Really cool way how that tool changer works. But, the spindle area can messy with chips sometimes and I wonder if those gears get mashed aluminum chips in them causing problems down the line.

[@X197ToPlay]

There are no Problems whit the Toolchanger, the Robodrills work 24/7 365Days in a Year, Mechanikly! The Controll alsow is reliabl cors its a Fanuc. The Mager flaw this machine has, ALWAYS that the Tollchanger drum gets dirty and your Contactsurfaces geting covered in dirt by time, espacely when you work whit cast iron. A safe workaround is to Change whit Coolant Threw Spindle insted of Air, nobody knows that not even the guys who sell the machines ^^ and to make that happen you have to change 5Parameters and 3lines of code bevore every toolchange (Macro). Then you have no Problem at all whit these things!

[@jamesdond1]

Fanuc is the standard for me. You need to run a line to your computer in your design area and simply download it directly from your computer. Been doing this for years it works just fine...

[@mallenkamp]

This is how its done on FANUCs w/out custom gui - enjoy!

[@PROJECTFAP]

Honestly, FANUC 16M on our MH63 still look more easier than this one...

[@blob_87]

I hate Fanuc controls, but one thing to make running programs faster is to save them on the card as Onnn without the .nc extension, then from memory call the program with M198 Pnnn. You have to set the IO channel to 4 ( I think?) in order for it to run off the card but then you don't have to copy to the control every time. The main problem with this is that you cannot do a program restart from part way through if for example you have to change a tool.

[@madaxe79]

Blob87 thats so unusual for me to hear. 90% of the cnc machines in my town are Fanuc, and every machine I’ve ever bought (except one) has been Fanuc. I find Fanuc to be the easiest to program. Especially the latest versions with manual guide i. I’ve just picked up a machine with an Anilam co troller, and it’s so difficult to program, compared to Fanuc

[@jepkeklinge3778]

cant u guys install a moxa device like laurens wijnschenk from 3d techdraw on their older machine? or on my school they wired their leadwell machines with fanuc control to a computer with a fanuctransfertool program. I hope this will help you guys

[@robertheaney1882]

I have to correct you on draw bar, dual contact and spindle tool fretting. Dual contact BBT using Big plus spindle tools present face and taper contact. Your using BT 30 spindle tools. Therefore taper contact only. Not dual. You should be using BIG KAISER BBT spindle tools. ATB.

[@shaunybonny688]

Hard to find info on Fanuc, that’s an understatement

[@shaunybonny688]

That and the manuals written by a Japanese dude who kinda speaks English 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Mrgnothing1]

Any chance of teaching heidenhain controls at some point?

[@465maltbie]

Robots or Roberts? Might need to check your autocorrect settings...thanks for sharing. Charles

[@jongerber3476]

I found that the robodrill beat brother drilling machines by at least 40 percent on multiple casting set ups . Never used it much for complex milling . This machine is a screamer for sure . I found that g code programing was much easier for me so the conversation control was not used . I am retired so the machine vintage was much older than this one . Good machine and very fast .

[@DonStinger]

Hey Ed, if you want to see a realy mindblowing toolchanger you should take a look at Chiron machines with their basket style toolchanger. Nice video by the way. I heard about the fanuc controls been `not that intuitive` but it seem to bee worse than I expected :D

[@CR3W1SH03S]

Loading a program from USB. In the CNC user folder, type 0xxxx (where xxxx is your program number) F Input, Exec. Done. Only works if your are using the O and four digit convention.

[@kabadaluk]

Most fastest machine i've ever handle.. I used this machine to drill at least 1k hole on 1 inch cube surface everyday.. Especially for z axis repetitive positioning in high speed the accuracy very surprising.

[@grottyboots]

I recently retired from ~30 years of PLC & macro programming on mostly Fanuc CNCs. 21i, 0i, PowerMate, 31i, etc. Even the oddball 15i. Steep learning curve, but wicked powerful controls. I hope you have those manuals in PDF format!

[@RoboDriller]

Care to tutor someone? I've never done cnc, but baught a t21iel with the 31i controls to "learn" on

[@grottyboots]

@@RoboDriller Possibly? I'm not a machinist, so I can't help much with feeds & speeds or machining strategies. I did a lot of operator training on some complex processes, sometimes to folks who didn't understand English. But, how would we do this? What sort of knowledge are you after? And what specific 31i model do you have. Cheers, and Happy New Year!

[@RoboDriller]

@@grottyboots 31i-model A5

[@RoboDriller]

How do I get my 35i to accept ND data from the rs232 port? I baught a shop floor automations cnc USB, installed it to the rs232. So now my machine has USB. But on the change input it has either, card or machine memory only

[@grottyboots]

​@@RoboDriller Do you have access to the CNC's parameters? Specifically, most of of the parameters from #0 to #200 or so. These set the CNC's various "punch/reader" interface settings, things like baud rate, parity, etc. Fanuc CNCs are pretty flexible in how they communicate, but really obscure to set up. The USB device likely has easier setup, so knowing how the CNC is setup and then matching the USB device to match is easier, in my experience. If you can see the parameters (sYSTEM key > press + softkey until you see the PARAM sofkey > press the PARAM sofkey. This should show the CNC's parameters starting at #0. PG-DN & PG-UP will move to next & previous screen of parameters. Write down the value for each parameter from #0 to #200; some are a string of 8 bits, others are just numbers. If you can't see the CNC's parameters, the SETTING(HADY) screen provides some of the info we need. Should be able to see this screen by pressing OFFSET/SETING key -> press the + softkey until the SETING softkey is visible -> press the SETING softkey. This screen has a list of parameters in a more "friendly" format, "TV CHEK, PUNCH CODE, INPUT UNIT, etc. PG DN and PG UP move thru the various screens; write them all down. If you can get that far, we'll have a good chance to make this work. Other things I'd like to know: - what connector did you wire this USB device? - did the connector you wired this USB device ever work? Was it connected to another system before you attached the USB device? - confirm that this is the USB device you installed: www.shopfloorautomations.com/hardware/pendant-usb-connect/ I'm 90% sure we can get this working. It'll be slow & tedious. But I've connected various Fanuc CNCs to dozens of different communications means (including paper tape readers, floppy disks, Ethernet, etc.). Suggest we move this to another comms means; KZbin comments are not ideal for this... I do WhatsApp, FB Messenger, and email. Lemme know if you have a preference, and send me your contact info.

[@multiHappyHacker]

on my old Fanuc 16T if you put a two-digit number in the "T" column on the work offsets page, you get some rather unexpected behavior. make sure you only put a single digit number in there!

[@split141x]

I need one of these

[@Kp61dude_]

Well put together! Good job.

[@mitsmillman1652]

For DNC modify your post or make a custom program that uses a G10 to switch the device channel to the card then use a M98 to call the program off the card, program can then switch the channel back if necessary.

[@dipt_tpid]

Noob question.. Is the arm only for parts removal or it serves as an extra axis or work holding?

[@tornydeevil1356]

DiPT_TPiD only tool changes and part removal

[@wildin13]

Remember, it's an arm. Not only does it look like one but it acts like one too. But hey if you can hold a part by hand and mill it at same time then OMG congrats!! **!!DISCLAIMER DO NOT TRY THAT EVER!!**

[@sasjadevries]

@@wildin13 Well, actually that was a valid question. There are rigid robot arms that can do workholding on their own, but they are bigger, more expensive and you have to keep the cutting forces kinda low. But yeah, the robot arm shown in this video is way to small to have the required rigidity, no way you're gonna machine on that. --- This small robot arm could however be used for something like deburring, sanding or polishing. Think about wire brushes, flap sanders or polishing disks mounted on a tabletop grinder. And if you want to put a stamp or sticker on your part, and you have a sticker dispenser or prefilled automatic stamp, then you can use your robotarm to do that.

[@wildin13]

@@sasjadevries I never said it wasn't valid.... 🤷‍♂️

[@dipt_tpid]

@@sasjadevries thanks!

[@vilts]

At least on my 2019 Fanuc lathe the file copy from USB stick is much easier, no need for these "F GET" and whatnot. Change device to USB, copy file, change device to MEM, paste file.

[@johnscott1981]

Yupp makes my life much simpler 😆

[@willardSpirit]

Ready Robotics! Bmore represent!

[@abdalrohmanmousa7405]

How much does this machine cost?

[@matthewcoyle5957]

I love Roberts

[@Whitehorze]

Without the ability to check for changes in tool length (Breakage) you cannot run 'lights out'. I run D21 Robodrills at work and I love them. And yes, The Fanuc control is definetly made for engineers, not operators.

[@andrewirwin6765]

Looks good the machine but I'm not a fan of the tool changer it seems it will wear down over time

[@LumaLabs]

The geared tool change is theoretically cool, but falls apart as spindle speeds go over 10k. The gear is not well balanced, which is why very few 24k Robodrills are ever used at the full speed (most find the sweet-spot at 22k, and things get unstable above that). Brother switched to a servo driven turret for all this many years ago, and Fanuc's newer ADV model Robodrills also have a servo turret.

[@footpetaljones]

The spindle is balanced via set screws installed on the gear face and the spindle coupling

[@kabadaluk]

This machine need calibration every 6 months for continuous running usage to maintain the accuracy.

[@turbocobra]

Ed Bassmaster, is that you? "Would you just look at that" lol Sweet score on the Robodrill!

[@weldchip]

they really do have a shameful amount of memory standard for a machine that expensive. It seriously sucks. how much was the additional memory to actually make it work properly? did you go for an after market pcmcia to compact flash adapter route? i hear there is a hack you can do to make it run more than a 4gig card.

[@TheMetalButcher]

Neat toolchanger.

[@danieltweit3702]

thanks guys

[@funone8716]

There needs to be an acronym for Fanuc that reflects the control clunkyness. Haas needs to come up with their version of Robodrill

[@zouzoutayeb9899]

Thanks for the enlightenment 😉

[@ehamster]

4:40 tap for cast iron (red ring) used in aluminium.

[@martinsoos]

The Robot arm is like Charly Brown and the football. They keep trying to sell it as something that works every year. Chips, broken edges, extra long parts, and Lucy pulls the football away again.

[@nickhankins5088]

Just look at it, would you just look at it!

[@almostanengineer]

Please tell me that’s not an actual print out of the manual 😳

[@aarondcmedia9585]

Tactical keychains FTW

[@gbowne1]

Roberts? :)

[@hadinossanosam4459]

tewel changes?

[@gredangeo]

The limited default memory for Fanuc controllers is mindboggingly insultingly low. They really do think it's still the 80's. Another thing is, the reason why the software is that clunky is because of old code, that has been updated and shuffled around, and to still be somewhat understandable/transferable across all Fanuc versions over the years. Oppose to figuring out a complete redesign from scratch. If you want to see what bad software logic is, and stacking updates without fixing the core problems of functionality, get a load of this pile of BS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnzbYqqkjaifmas

[@AlexKall]

Same on the robots, it's gotten a bit better but still shockingly out of time with this things.

[@adisharr]

UR owns the market for machine tending. Night and day versus programming that Fanuc pendant. No need to involve a third party to program it either.

[@headdie89]

learning Fanuc is hard :(

[@wilmarc4436]

No

[@YourTapeworm]

2:39 thats not real time

[@relok_8056]

Luv this shit!

[@AnyFactor]

Writing the documentation cost as much as making the "robert"

[@mark7759]

So attractive

[@RobinWilkinson]

"I don't miss probing as much as I thought I would." HAHA! Ok, that's infantile, but still.....

[@Engineer_Stepanov]

Is old ATC system, invented no fanuc.

[@fusionsvt00]

Look at it, look at it. Lol

[@Aumtechinnovation]

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[@chrisyboy666]

Fanuc controls are shite to use but bomb proof

[@Thorhian]

This machine is really cool, but Fanuc seems to suck lol.

[@mannycalavera121]

Slow compared to a brother

[@funwitharobot]

Learning something new is too hard, lets spend more money to dumb things down.

[@sudducnc]

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[@dan3076]

completely wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe you should get some experience instead of reading on internet.

[@mainthink]

I find your comment very helpful and instructive, thank you for taking the time to write it. I know you are right because of the number of exclamation points.