What Can You Do About QAnon? | NYT Opinion

[@valentinagiorgi3835]

In the 2000s, parents told us to not to believe everyhing you read on internet. Nowadays, we have to tell them the same

[@junglecat_rant]

@Melissa Sullivan 👍

[@ldinti03]

Melissa Sullivan , just like post say, I will extend it too, don’t believe systematically anything people say; challenge your belief, fact checked everything you can, even if it get tedious. Just to illustrate an exemple. Here is an interview from the international tribunal about the theory : kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoaTinevic18o80 And another one from the Senate about what really happen in the borders : kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCZY6xoaqdrjMU And as it’s all about Trump... Here a bonus: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6rQaKhsep2loLM and kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIKkh6KAr9B3p9E (the original got censored, the content will tell you why) stuff like this I found a myriad of them, but no one talk about it, why? #WalkAway Often, all it takes when we want to know... it just start to fact checked from those who work on the field and fight everyday for us. It’s not NYT or any mainstream medias and outlet that would share this interviews (especially without editing to fit a narrative); they follow orders. Personally, I find this approach more constructive than mocking and debunking... From what I can see, if those “crazy” people weren’t out there, we wouldn’t be aware of this Q things or just the topic about pizza... - At least I find them courageous even if people might not agree with them. Here we go a last one and as you can see, these link are from people who have aluminium hat : kzbin.info/www/bejne/qn3GhZqAirGKZq8 Now start asking yourself the right questions and #WalkAway #WalkAwayCampaign

[@Nelly-ck5cp]

But looking at the NY times , the irony

[@GStone]

@Melissa Sullivan Facebook makes tons of money feeding people BS. Keep people clicking no matter how absurd and dangerous the misinformation.

[@valentinagiorgi3835]

@Jack Daniels Ultraselvagem I'm sorry but this dosn't make sense. It's like you are saying that an article on Science is the same as an article on a blog with conspirancy theories.

[@axgelbxnny]

The hard thing about trying to disprove conspiracies is that the very evidence you produce to disprove them is what further sentiments their beliefs, as any evidence is considered “false” or perpetuated by “those seeking to keep the truth hidden”; it’s tricky stuff

[@yaboyjay7202]

There's also the tolerancy paradox by Karl Popper, which states that a tolerant society must be intolerant of the intolerant. Therefore just appeasing them and thinking of them as flawed normal citizens when they're really a threat to civilization is highly dangerous. You see it with how many people they convinced to believe that a global pandemic, resulting in the death of more than a million people (so far) is a hoax. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

[@skatalova]

Streisand affect! The fact they give qanon attention is bringing it to more people hahaha. Them trying to make it go away is making it more concrete!

[@ohthechitchat]

@@yaboyjay7202 I agree this could be considered just as dangerous as just laughing at them because their numbers are growing.

[@anonmouseanon5386]

So we are to believe that Epstein who had dirt on many influential individuals, committed suicide in his suicide watch jail?

[@Bunny-ch2ul]

Pretty much. This is great advice for people who are fundamentally logical, but when people don't believe in any sort of factual evidence or expert opinion, they're almost beyond hope. Groups like Q Anon and Proud Boys are also a source of identity for people who don't have a lot of autonomy in their lives. Jobs where people are treated as disposable cogs in a machine are increasingly common, and provide no satisfaction. Fundamentally, work should provide some level of fulfillment. Service jobs, and other low skill jobs rarely do. These people are lashing out against a system that they feel oppresses and traps them. They're clinging to anything that can make them feel special, valuable, or like they're "not just another sheep." Animals go berserk when they're trapped too. Holding onto special information that others don't possess, or owning a stockpile of guns is likely the only thing they have in their lives that makes them feel special or superior to anyone else. To help these people, you really have to understand that beliefs in this sort of nonsense have deeper roots than it would seem, and they may not be something you can fix on a personal level, no matter how kind, patient, or logical you are with them. As far as I'm concerned, belief in this sort of garbage is a symptom of inequality in an increasingly technologically driven world. This is no different than uneducated mobs calling scientists witches or heretics in centuries past. It's the exact same impulse.

[@tubegirl25]

Who is watching this after the Capitol riot

[@Rational_Mind]

I am, and while not all are beyond redemption and all are not the enemy, I would posit that a significant percentage of them are.

[@DragonXflyer]

Up until a few months ago I never heard of Qanon, I only started investigating into them more deeply after the capitol insurrection. I feel the media has been talking more about this in an attempt to bring this issue to light to help people confront this epidemic from the roots up. If these people don't trust the media then it is up to us, their friends and family to help guide them out of the rabbit hole.

[@sigmaomegaalpha237]

@@DragonXflyer , The QAnon movement turns out to be a complete psyop created by both democrats and republicans, as a false flag narrative. And no they are still at it spreading disinformation claiming that they’ve rescued many children from cages, many famous people were arrested including the Pope, The queen, President Biden etc. The list goes on. None of these things happened. And yes the election was stolen, and yes Biden is president..

[@kevinsarulis4067]

@@DragonXflyer but the media has lied and been caught changing narratives for decades. Thats not a conspiracy by defintion. Its worrisome that u put full trust in the media.

[@tikimurtaugh4919]

Who's watching this after several blm and antifa riots?

[@Djiehh]

Fun fact: Mick West, debunker of conspiracy theories, was a co-founder of Neversoft, the developer that gave us, among others, the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater games. So thank you on multiple levels Mr. West!

[@bumstudios8817]

Is he luciferian too?

[@mileycaldwell2313]

Before you criticize a movement I think you should alreast try to understand it from their perspective. I’m not Q but this documentary had million views before KZbin censored it. I don’t think the entire movement is true but their are certainly parts of it that need to be brought to light. If you consider yourself fair and balanced consider giving this documentary a go kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZW6enqAgtaob7M I tried to debunk it, but I’m afraid parts of it are certainly true!

[@JC-jo9bf]

@@mileycaldwell2313 Grow up. I know people want to be important. However, creating a fantasy world where political enemies are made to be pedophile demons that drain life out of children is just beyond dumb. This is the BS satanic panic all over.

[@Owerus]

@@JC-jo9bf Satanic panic was legit, not BS.

[@_KungFuBarbie_]

One of the hardest things to do is remain open to the fact that you could be wrong.

[@jcrane521]

Most true statement in this entire convo..

[@2nd3rd1st]

You could be wrong.

[@jcrane521]

@@2nd3rd1st I know, so could you.

[@dalekdx]

I think it's important to keep an open mind, but also to use common sense to know when something doesn't sound logical or believable.

[@2nd3rd1st]

@@jcrane521 And so could you.

[@DonnellByrd74]

Are they trying to save all children 🤔 Like the ones in cages at the bored or just white kids?

[@polydynamix7521]

THEY don't want to save anyone... they're not a cult of 'doing' they're a cult of 'waiting'. They were waiting for a savior to do something. These aren't the most energetic cultists in history by any means. Their participation is primarily in sharing the gospel of their anonymaster.

[@Jeff-mu4mt]

You mean the cages that Trump got rid of from the Obama Biden era ? .kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5uadJiPZshsq6M

[@CassieJadeOO7]

@@Jeff-mu4mt trump didnt get rid of them, he doubled down on locking people up

[@theburntbanana9875]

The ones made by Obama lol

[@Saint245]

The one Trump got to use on American children.

[@halneufmille]

"One should not believe everything on the Internet." - Abraham Lincoln

[@MrAFLmaster]

I second that

[@amberleestine]

"One should do research to find out the truth." Me

[@MrAFLmaster]

@@amberleestine Yes, so long as the research conducted is done through a reliable source, 4chan does not fit that category. (Mind you, I'm not implying that you believe it is)

[@eatonbeaver7102]

Lying Abe was never honest

[@colski3333]

Trump has one. -trump-

[@Cannon500]

People need to grow up and accept the fact they are sometimes wrong. This does not degrade or make you inferior person, but a natural process to make you a more complete person with broader knowledge and insights to complicated issues.

[@yuniq9gaming930]

They EVEN believe this stuff!!! Amazingly! kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGKYiadnq6yLpNU

[@siedpe13]

Dumb person says, "no, your wrong"

[@dickenstom]

Literally applies to conspiracy theorists and government narrative lovers both.

[@larryb5481]

Hollywood illuminati is the greatest!

[@JC-jo9bf]

People get conned and they are embarrassed by their own credulity. This creates a type of Stockholm syndrome and the marks of these scams end up defending the scammers. It really is very sad.

[@nicielunar542]

By the time you lose half of your *IQ* and leave only *Q* left.

[@Christ-Believer.]

😄😁😁😄

[@adjjal]

This made me laugh, but its also kind of against the premise of this whole vid😅 trying not to make fun of people but rather educating them on why they are misinformed

[@paulaoyedele2081]

It is just the Antifa for the right.... nothing to see here.

[@hannahg8439]

@@adjjal yeah my thoughts exactly

[@jamesbottleman69]

@@paulaoyedele2081 so antifa is a bad thing then, right ?

[@Krazie-Ivan]

so tired of treating grown adults with kid-gloves just because they're likely to react even less rational, or possibly with violence. humanity should be so far past all this garbage by now... with the heights of tech & methods of scientific research we've hit, along with the ability to carry around access to history & knowledge. an inter-connectedness that should be showing us how similar we are, not used to divide further. WTF. exhausted & sad...

[@cliffordbendtsen4848]

Humanity itself will never develop through technology because we ourselves aren't biologically progressing, our minds aren't meant to critically think. We're designed to utilize our high cognition and trust in our own intuition, which is based on thousands of years of generational trial and error. We basically do the opposite of that now. We are supposed to compute based off our own surroundings, not knowledge, which is why we'll never see results like this.

[@preuischeradler5131]

Krazie Ivan. I hear you bro. I'm tired and exhausted too!

[@terryanngallagher3605]

Dear Krazie Ivan....I hear you. And yet many reach adulthood without growing up for one reason or another, and yes, they're a bit like children. And I'm tired too. But if we give up on these people and write them off, the problems just get worse and we all get MORE divided. I recommend just what they say...stay engaged, try not to judge...each one of these folks has a story why they ended up desperate enough to start believing this garbage and they WILL get bored and tired of defeat, no predictions materializing, and the disarray will force them to look elsewhere for comfort.....BE THERE, and offer compassion, if not understanding, and a place to redirect their energies to something better. We must change this one human being at a time. We have no other choice.

[@georgebobblehead9602]

Hate to say but seen a KZbin video JFK jr is coming back going to cure cancer clean up the swamp the great awakening. The age of aquarius,

[@Krazie-Ivan]

@@cliffordbendtsen4848 ...interesting take, and can't say i disagree. thx for your differing perspective.

[@tucciproducer]

John Stewart said it best, "I'm asked all the time to evaluate my culpability in radicalizing the right, while fox News is never asked to evaluate themselves."

[@Trund27]

Oh, that is perfect! It’s true.

[@Ulyssestnt]

John Stewart was kind of gone before all this started in earnest.after that we had the influx of bad faith actors on both sides in media chasing clicks..

[@jhonklan3794]

You clearly missed the point of this. 1) Fox News is not really involved in Conspiracy peddling 2) The Russian collusion nonsense and anarchism peddled by MSNBC is equally harmful and baseless as QANON

[@brandoneber7531]

@@jhonklan3794 did you read the Mueller report? It's plain as day that there WAS collusion. The white house subverted the investigation as much as they possibly could and to that end several big names like, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone, and Michael Flynn plead guilty to obstruction and fraud. Trump just pardoned them this month.

[@jhonklan3794]

@@brandoneber7531 Read the Muller report. It literally concluded that there was not a shred of evidence tying Trump to Russian collusion. www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/ This was the US' most expensive investigation to date and they found NOTHING by their own admission. If this does not convince you, IDK what will. You sound exactly like a Qanon rn. Also, all the people you named were arrested for wire fraud among other things, completely unrelated to Russian collusion. Your logic is the exact same as Qanoners. Government = Shady, Russian Collusion = Shady, Government = Russian collusion? If you want to use circumstantial evidence, here: nypost.com/2020/09/29/cia-told-obama-of-claim-clinton-conjured-trump-russia-scandal-spy-chief/ Unless you think Trump is a mastermind genius 8D chess player(Like Qanoners) there is no way he could collude with foreign official without leaving behind actual evidence. Its like the claims of voter fraud, there may be coincidental/circumstantial evidence, but if someone really did hack our elections they would leave far more than that.

[@ize_chaotic]

This. didnt. age. well. THEY STORMED THE CAPITOL

[@sarahford2451]

Exactly what I was just gonna post! Qanon has always been dangerous and to take those who believe it this terrorist organization like it's no big deal is quite ignorant. Yes! they absolutely are capable of causing serious problems . they are involved in causing the death of two police officers and they seriously injured several other capital police officers and they also tried to murder Mike pence and Nancy Pelosi. it's very important that the FBI and DOJ doesn't stop investigating this group of racist terrorists because of the damage they have already caused and the terrorism and racism they will continue to be involved in!! 🕵🏽‍♀️👨🏾‍💻👮🏽‍♀️

[@queerstars1]

Knock Knock FBI

[@massimoamerica6726]

I think this video is still relevant. Talking about chasing people not deeper down the rabbit hole etc. I think they are right. Keep the converstation open, listen to people. Dont dunk on them.

[@Jeff-mu4mt]

@@sarahford2451 Here is more threatening video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5uadJiPZshsq6M

[@gigisilk798]

A few thousand idiots. What were the rest of the 500+ million doing? Sitting at home, being normal. They're just a footnote in history.

[@lihung364]

Hey kids, this video applies to everything in life, not just Qanon

[@richardhawkins2248]

Yeah. It's almost as idiotic as Critical Race Theory. What to do.

[@nikk2472]

@@richardhawkins2248 Everybody knows you know nothing about CRT except its name. If Trump and Fox told you its good, you’d be campaigning for it by now. That is how hillariously naive you people are

[@ctwwtc8761]

I often wonder what the world would look life if social media never existed

[@claytonfranco2084]

Probably like it did before 1997 again.

[@TangoNevada]

My go to reply whenever someone points to something Modern as being a problem that leads to violence, like Video Games, Heavy Metal, the Internet and Social Media etc is always "Hitler didn't have any of those things". To quote Jeff Goldblum in Jurassic Park "Hate finds a way" or something like that, I might be a little off on the exact quote.

[@nillybetty7599]

@@claytonfranco2084 😂👍 you said what I was thinking.

[@Redridge07]

if you are older than 20 years old then you already know

[@ALaz502]

@Dave Rodriguez messaging texting and cell phones existed before social media.

[@ttaj7030]

This is actually pretty serious!!!!! Even though it seems ridiculous I’ve had really close people to me believe in this with their hearts and souls! If you laugh or make fun of them, then it also intensifies their beliefs! Something has to be done and I’m telling you I’m desperate! I want my family back!

[@richardhawkins2248]

Yeah. It's almost as idiotic as Critical Race Theory. What to do.

[@j.dragon651]

@@richardhawkins2248 what does CRT mean to you?

[@richardhawkins2248]

@@j.dragon651 Critical Race Theory is pure Marxism in praxis. What do I think of it? It's racism disguised as honest conversation. It is designed to create division and hate. The blue pill peons have no idea what they're engaged in. THey also haven't a clue that most of the racist issues were going away or were gone. This is designed to bring racism back to life. It is institutionalized hate and racism.

[@j.dragon651]

@@richardhawkins2248 thanks for the lowdown. I didn't know almost all the racism had gone away.

[@FunnyFawkesGuy]

​@@richardhawkins2248 You're on the right track, but you missed the mark somewhat. Most of the *overt* racism has largely gone away, but CRT doesn't address overt racism. CRT deals with "covert" racism, meaning the ongoing fallout from overt racism in the past. An example of this would be generational wealth. Most white folks have access to accrued generational wealth because most white families own their houses which have appreciated in value. Most black families however do not own the houses in which they live. This is because from the 1910s clear up until the 1980s, banks and financial institutions simply wouldn't offer loans to black lenders. Moreover, most suburban communities had rules that didn't allow black families to live there. Even if they could somehow manage to get a loan, they couldn't spend it anywhere because the vast majority of real estate companies simply wouldn't sell to them. These forms of *overt* racism were completely legal back then, but are no longer legal now. However, the fact that they happened in the past have an ongoing effect on the present. The explicitly racist laws of the past have left an indelible mark on the present, and CRT advocates learning about those things in order to understand why certain racial groups are worse off today. It's important to note that CRT is not a policy plan. It doesn't advocate for any substantive changes to the status quo, nor does it really even accomplish anything substantive. Quite literally all that CRT advocates for is that people be informed and educated on certain issues. It is *descriptive* not *prescriptive* and thus not actual praxis.

[@ShiningEyeBrigade]

I’ve been following this way, exactly as stated in the video, for a while now and have seen slow, positive change in a few friends. A key is to make sure respect and care for your fellow is at the root of your motivation. Sometimes that means you have to do some work to find that respect. For example, I have a friend who just rejects using any data because he thinks its all manipulated. Even though I find that a fatal flaw that leads him to outlandish conclusions, I do recognize he is also a very quick thinker in many ways, and is quite successful. And so I was not lying when I started our discussions with, “Look, I want to be sure you know, i know you are a really smart guy. So even though I disagree with your conclusions, I don’t want you to think I’m ever criticizing your intelligence.” And I will tell you that massively changed the tone of our conversations from then on. Also, I find it most productive to be clear that our conversations are not about changing each other’s minds. Rather, it is simply for each of us to understand why the other believes what they do. This allows a less confrontational opportunity for both to understand t]and scrutinize their own reasoning, and a chance to discover our own faulty reasoning. A final note is that, i think if either party gets exhausted by the conversation, there is a real,danger they will retreat to just ignoring what was said and just say, “well whatever” and re-embrace their former conclusions. So I try to make sure: - we do not discuss at times when we are likely tired - I try to take bite sized topics - discuss one topic at a time without ping-ponging - let the discussion end before either of us is exhausted, so a little post-Convo growth can happen for both of us.

[@artisticagi]

This is deep great thoughts

[@rumpology]

ty~

[@ajwaddanwarr3409]

may I ask why you think your friends were drawn to it in the first place?

[@ShiningEyeBrigade]

@@ajwaddanwarr3409 thank you for your question. I’m still not sure I understand why they are all drawn to it. I’ve got a little more insight with two friends in particular, but I’m not sure it’s enough to draw conclusions. So please take these as just guesses: Neither seem to like researching using reputable sources. Aside from their mistrust, it seems difficult and/or boring for them. I say that because, after I explained my research strategy (like how I check reputable conservative sources too, along with what they consider progressive sources) they have asked me to research some related ideas for them about things like Trump and criminal justice reform. (Not strictly Q topics). They really seemed interested in my findings, but did not want to do the research themselves. I am guessing here, but I wonder if the QANON stuff is very easy/intuitive for them to grasp and see the connections. They feel smart and it feels easy for them, and keeps their interest, whereas they seemed a bit more lost when discussing the reputable sources. My hope is that by sharing my research methods and enthusiasm, that they will get more comfortable with the methods and start to incorporate at least a little into their research.

[@ShiningEyeBrigade]

@@artisticagi Thank you.

[@lucas4587]

"Think of how stupid the average person is,,, and realize half of them are stupider than that" George Carlin-

[@thomasfritsch3536]

Love George 💕 the research I've seen and people I followed are credible so I'm pretty sure George called the bushes and reagan also clinton about the very essence of Q so thanks for reminding me about George the orriganal Wow I have to look up more

[@fashnek]

Did you even watch this video?

[@ericmartin2470]

ok average person, did you notice this video never showed a single QAnon post? you're supposed to take their word for it. as this video said... "Evidence Seekers" but why not go directly to the source, quote QAnon and show us how crazy it all is. instead we get little clips of stupid people doing stupid things and associate it with QAnon.

[@envispojke]

@@ericmartin2470 This became a long comment but I think the main point is this: How do you debunk someone who says that not every claim he makes is true because some of it is necessary disinformation? If a prediction fails, it's disinformation. If it becomes reality, then it was correct all along. There are plenty of sources that do just what you're asking for - debunking specific factual inaccuracies and false predictions made by "Q". This video isn't trying to do that, it's aimed at us who realize this is hot crap. I used to be a conspiracy believer when I was younger (Illuminati, Freemasons, Bilderberg group etc) and I'm still very critical of the elites influence on all of us, although my thinking has evolved from believing specific hidden groups rule our world with malice, to realizing the faults are in the system (political, economical and social) itself. You know the expression "the bigger the lie, the more they'll believe it"? I'm sure many Qanon believers think that applies to society at large. And sure, sometimes it does. But it's true about Qanon too. The conspiracy is so vast, has so many subgroups of differing levels of involvement and craziness. So where does one start to debunk it? Lets compare it to Scientology, and sorry if you think thats inappropriate because "thats a sect" but let me explain. There are so many leaked documents that show the absurd beliefs they have about volcanoes and aliens and souls and yeah, the list goes on. But it takes years of involvement for people to reach that knowledge and by that time they are so deep into it that they believe everything. The first things you learn - although it's also false - is of a different nature and is more like a sci-fi self help program. So if you ask me to debunk Scientology, where do I start? Do I debunk the alien lord Xenu or that weird machine they test you with in the beginning that can tell you about your soul? Whatever I choose to say first is gonna upset everyone who believes it and they wont listen to me. As I said, Q has made a lot of false predictions that has made even some of his devout followers begin to question him. But he has the perfect response to this. Quote from RationalWiki: One of Q's posts explains his various false predictions and claims by saying "disinformation is necessary." Of course it is. This explanation makes QAnon into a so-called "self-sealing" conspiracy: every time it's proven false, that's just the evil cabal making it seem that way! So again: How DO you debunk Q? If you can explain that to me, I will do my best to do it. Otherwise I'm just asking you from human to human - think critically about everything, including Q. Give it 10 minutes and search for Qanon debunked. Look at that information yourself, without the influence of people who already believe it. If it's true, it should stand up to scrutiny. Have a good day and feel free to write to me if you want to discuss further, maybe you can convince me ;)

[@ericmartin2470]

@@envispojke how to debunk Q: quote Q directly.

[@tyaz6556]

"Anarchism has never worked" Spain, Ukraine and Rojava would care to disagree.

[@jhonklan3794]

Literally all of those became failed states, none of those are anarchist now.

[@Comrade_Zaz]

@@jhonklan3794 say that slowly "anarchist states"

[@PepinsSpot]

I gave up a while ago trying to "influence" people. They will reject all the information in the world you give them. I just let them believe what they will and not talk to them anymore. Saved me tons of head aches.

[@surgec]

Qanon peeps think they’re Nick Cage from National Treasure. This ain’t Da Vinci Code guys.

[@speedydog45]

They think they are Nick Cage from National Treasure but in fact they are just Nick Cage in real life.

[@slimestoneexpert9804]

⸽R⸽e⸽n⸽e ⸽W⸽a⸽l⸽z⸽e⸽r⸽ do you believe in climate change, Orin corona virus, or in a round earth; because it doesn’t seem like that

[@anonmouseanon5386]

So we are to believe that Epstein who had dirt on many influential individuals, committed suicide in his suicide watch jail?

[@turquoise770]

why don't you try reading them before you pontificate. They can be read at: Qagg.news

[@wysmn]

Explain why they didnt show 1 single post of Qs? They literally used other peoples words and not Qs posts. What does that tell you? 😂

[@ButchBirdie]

Well, this aged well.

[@dkizzle3135]

The advice on how to deal with Q Anons is probably right as far as what would be most effective, but a lot of us are just so tired of being told that it's our fault that the alt right / conspiracy people / Trumpers are the way they are. When do 'evidence seekers' and liberals get to have a break from always being the adults in the room?

[@cloudkap]

Never. It will always be a sisyphean task.

[@montycantsin8861]

Maybe start by admitting that you are not "always the adults in the room".

[@Anakim416]

@@montycantsin8861 when one side genuinely believes in the existence of blood-sucking pedophiles...we are

[@butterballin3686]

You've never been the adults in the room, EVER. But You've been the ones to deny evidence and to cry "racism" everytime someone disagrees with you.

[@montycantsin8861]

@@Anakim416 You're easily led. I wouldn't call that "adult". You decry a tiny group of nutjobs, while being a nutjob who believes that tiny group is somehow huge. And because thats what you were told to think by the increasingly desperate and attention-whoring legacy media, like the NYtimes here. Not adult. Maybe kinda teenage, but not adult.

[@adianchowdhury9016]

Most conspiracies rely on 2 fallacies: 1: There is nothing disproving my claim, so it must be correct When you make the claim, you supply the proof. If somebody claims that he saw a unicorn, you don't go out of your way to prove him wrong. You ask, where is the photograph, or video, or any other reasonable evidence 2: Coolrolation DOES NOT equal causation. Just because two things happened in a certain time frame, it doesn't necessarily mean one caused the other. They could have happened together out of coincidence, or they can be caused by something different. It's like saying that since you ate chips and then you tripped on your shoelaces, that the chips caused you to trip. 99% of conspiracies rely on these two fallacies, and they are the conspiracies' weaknesses.

[@Jeff-mu4mt]

Yep ,agree .kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5uadJiPZshsq6M

[@red__guy]

One more, big claims need big proofs!

[@antboy9252]

Except a lot of the time, Q's claims actually CAN be proven to be wrong and complete garbage. They keep makimg false predictions about Trump supposedly rounding up all the elites and giving specific dates for the event, only for those to be wrong

[@joycemills2218]

Why would Mike,,,I.

[@texasray5237]

To be a conspiracy, at least two people have to plan something evil. No need for a fallacy at all. The concept of "conspiracy theory" is the assumption that no such plan existed. But in today's extremely chaotic world there are conspiracies just waiting to happen at every juncture. Hardly anything happens by chance any more. Especially not when there is money, power, or other enticements to be had. Of course there's a conspiracy, probably several. The only trick is trying to untangle and identify them.

[@ricardo950535]

As a single parent , the new reality is you have to have conversations with your kids about how to view the internet and use it responsibly. Many believe what they read is real because it's on there as if some editor is monitoring everything.

[@natekoch27]

weird that you put up a picture of Noam Chomsky with pictures of the CHAZ......... Chomsky has only ever talked about anarchy within the abstract realm of political theory. His lifetime of activism and academic achievement extends so much further. He had very little to say about the CHAZ in Seattle this summer and certainly didn't champion the idea. The New York times reaches a huge audience, and many of them may have never heard of Chomsky. Extremely irresponsible and honestly a little unsettling to see him pop up in this context.

[@tristanmcmorran3709]

Anarchy needs a rebrand, big time. It's simply a lack of a state. It doesn't need to be about "everyone for themselves", it isn't about destroying anything but a concept, and it doesn't need to leave a power vacuum. Obviously getting from that statement all the way to an actual plan is difficult, but it certainly doesn't mean "break a bunch of windows, ignore every single law, set lots of fires, and hope the state goes away", like its portrayal in the media. Really, it's a stupid idea to portray it that way. If you want to create a movement of edgy, socially isolated, bitter, vindictive people along a political allegiance, all you gotta do is frame their story in a redundantly reductive way over and over and never give that movement a mic. That's how you make sure that it, as a minority movement, attracts mostly a bunch of social outcasts looking to be contrarians. That's how you get Antifa (well, the "window-breaking, fire-setting, I'm bored" Antifa, not the "mutual aid, law abiding, actually anti-fascist" Antifa). Aaaaand that's also how you get QAnon, as we see here. Empathy is the currency of the future. Without it, we have no future. We need to empathize with each other not just when we're on the same team, but especially when we've tricked ourselves into thinking we're enemies.

[@marianolagos8572]

@@tristanmcmorran3709 that what you wrote has nothing to do with nate's point, which is valid and correct. Why are you talking about your definitions of anarchism and what we ought or ought not to believe? The point is that the New York Times irresponsible portrayal of ideas that, quite frankly, assuming from this video, the author doesn't understand is grossly mediocre and pathetic. Period.

[@seriousbees]

Lol fragile Nate, takin' the bait

[@seriousbees]

That wasnt a serious position it was an illustration of how people can get defensive if their positions are questioned. You fell for it hook line and sinker

[@banjoist123]

I vote for Noam Chomsky for philosopher king.

[@a1xon]

Stares directly into the sun and points at it - 5D chess.

[@PLACEBODOCTOR]

-wearing a wire -in front of a microphone -in front of a camera - in front of hundreds of millions of people Ya makes sense

[@tekis0]

Have you seen the man? He wears a mask to a Zoom meeting...🤔

[@TangoNevada]

@@tekis0 Have you ever heard of computer viruses?

[@AudoricArt]

For anyone curious I highly reccommend a video by Folding Ideas called "in search of a flat earth". He goes into the mindset of these consperacy theories and why trying to disprove them it a fool's errand. The people who believe these things aren't looking for facts, they're looking for confirmation.

[@susanne5803]

That's the most important difference: Conspiracy believers think their data must be faulty if it doesn't support their theory. They measure again. Or change the machinery until it finds data that fits the theory. Scientists learn to think that their theory must be wrong if the data doesn't support it. They should be willing and able to adapt their theory until they can make correct predictions of data. (And since scientists are human they are quite capable of doing Nobel prize winning stuff in one and enter the deepest rabbit holes in another area. Just saying.) There's a video by physicist Sabine Hossenfelder about "Flat Earth "Science" - Wrong but not Stupid". Link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGmngoaDYsdlmcU Link to Folding Ideas video you recommend: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIXJmYyvidqHapY Kind regards!

[@erwinmurry9602]

He actually gets it right though, these people are bigots and don’t want to be helped or reasoned with

[@sinki19841984]

^this confirmation bias

[@sinki19841984]

@@susanne5803 A scientist will try to disprove his theory, by failing to disproving it it is more likely to become proof the theory is right.

[@susanne5803]

@@sinki19841984 Depends on the science. Some examples: - Doesn't apply to mathematics. (Definition and logic. Proof.) - Applicable to physics. - Not as a method applicable to paleontology - as theory true for paleontology though. (Method: we can't sieve the whole earth for a precambrian mammal. - Theory: an accidental find of a precambrian mammal would "falsify" the current theory of evolution nevertheless.) All in all any science is messier and murkier than we like because scientists are human. Popper: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability?wprov=sfla1 "Scientific method": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method?wprov=sfla1 Thanks! Stay well!

[@Quanic2000]

Dunning-Kruger effect it the grandest of scales.

[@davidhollenshead4892]

@@Bettie_Rage The issue is worse than that, as most Americans don't understand what a logical argument is...

[@noway4879]

How? That relates to a bias regarding a specific task. I'd say they suffer from grand scale apophenia.

[@AlbertaKevinaMel4]

@@Bettie_Rage I am not sure to which extend this can explain it all. Unfortunately, I have seen scientists that have been recognized in their field (so you'd expect them to know about scientific method), that fell to they same non-sense arguments. E.g. Montagnier, Nobel prize winner, that publicly argued (against the scientific consensus) that Sars-Cov-2 had been created in a laboratory using HIV. Also, in certain countries. anti-masks are not the least educated, to the contrary. There has been some research in France showing that "upper class" (skilled/intellectual work) was over-represented in the anti-masks protests.

[@pryingeyes1551]

@@davidhollenshead4892 A course in logic should be standard in high school. It would have such an impact.

[@88marome]

There are people who can't even define what a fact is and think that facts change all the time in science when it's actuallt the circumstances, definitions or new discoveries that "changes" scientific theories.

[@johnkelly6488]

Thank you for this. Perfect explanation of how we re-engage those we feel are "lost" and remember to listen to others, even if it is hard to do.

[@SolaceEasy]

The problem is belief and belief that things should be a certain way. The problem is non-acceptance of cognitive dissonance.

[@DonnaZed]

Believing or not believing something is very American... as a Swiss person I’ve never met someone in Europe who argues about belief in regards of climate change for example , facts are facts

[@Bizarro_na_chapa]

@@DonnaZed tell me about greta... europeans are dreaming.... soon will wake up... sorry ... too late

[@anonmouseanon5386]

So Epstein committed suicide then?

[@drdrew3]

The dissonance is between reality and fantasy

[@johnnyrebel1115]

Believing that has nothing to do with qanon.

[@LironBerisha]

This QAnon saga is a great lesson to why people should never underestimate a large group specially if they are morons.

[@TheLazyGeniuses]

The video goes over how the best strategy is to not mock and ridicule Qanon members. Please do not further the divide for self-serving reason.

[@felixlaporte-blackburn8883]

@Jy Byrd yeah, like a week ago when Q said JFK Jr. would make an appearance at the last Dallas trump rally and take Mike Pence’s place as VP. Because that definitely happened.

[@kevinruiz903]

@Jy Byrd evidence?

[@axgelbxnny]

Yeah and even though our first response is to ridicule these people, as tempting as it sounds we have to do the opposite if we want to get these people to see the light

[@memberHD]

The Qanon entanglement is a lesson in media manipulation. If the media wasn't desperately trying any tactic to discredit Trump, Qanon would just be another nutter on the internet.

[@0ne0nlyLarry]

Wasnt Trump among those celebrities before he was president

[@gallery7596]

He tried hard to get some of those celebrities to perform at his inauguration.

[@tim3laps3]

Thank you for this video. My mother is an anon. I made a few of the mistakes you mentioned. I will try to approach the subject a little gentler.

[@yuniq9gaming930]

Make sure u don't get accidentally redpilled :) lol

[@CHRISBLAKE20012]

what's wrong with being redpilled? the hypothesis that "there is a lot of child abuse in hollywood" is actually really consistent with undisputed facts (i.e. the abuse michael jackson faced as a child, or demi moore). the hypothesis that "there's a network of child abusers who use this to blackmail one another" is actually really reasonable. This is the whole fl*w of this piece, and of the anti qanon folks. they argue against the most extreme of the hypotheses, but then just concede the core hypothesis. I'd say most of the naysayers here are actually qanons themselves. Its just a matter of framing what it is properly.

[@tim3laps3]

qanon says it's a a group that runs everything. If so why let someone who is not in on it be on the ballot. I think I got her to see that trump is not the savior. She still likes his policies though. 1 step at a time.

[@ldinti03]

-- Then try this. Me it’s my uncle... The point here is to understand that, we need to look at various source but more importantly go to the source e.g where the interview are not editing like these ones: Here is an interview from the international tribunal about the foundation of the theory : kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoaTinevic18o80 And another one from the Senate about what really happen in the borders : kzbin.info/www/bejne/faCZY6xoaqdrjMU And as it’s all about Trump... Here a bonus: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e6rQaKhsep2loLM and kzbin.info/www/bejne/nIKkh6KAr9B3p9E Stuffs like this, anyone who dare to seriously challenge their beliefs and search truth can find a myriad of them. Personally I find the approach of investigating to the source from those who fight for us everyday on the field, more productive than the approach of the mainstream medias who mock those who look for truth, especially those who lack rigor. They could teaching them how to investigate regardless what you believe but the prefer disdain them. #WalkAway Here we go, a last one and as you can see, these link are from people who wear no aluminium hat : kzbin.info/www/bejne/qn3GhZqAirGKZq8 #WalkAwayCampaign

[@nicksnow5606]

Chomsky as comparable to Bill Moyers as comparable to Trump? I think not NYT; still miffed about Manufacturing Consent?

[@kazmahmet2848]

Being an anarchist and thus believing that a complex industrial society can function without states, classes, hierarchies, etc. is really Quesk staff.

[@nicksnow5606]

@@kazmahmet2848 "We've only ever had what we have, therefore alternatives are impossible."

[@wawabeebee7133]

Yeah using the chaz as an example of a failure of anarchy is also laughable

[@agnieszkajarzbek451]

As Chomsky lover that got momentarily triggered “but he’s an anarcho syndicalist, not an anarchist!”, lol that was the point of that segment to show how this sort of ridicule of your world view can just make you angrier and double down. You got got bro

[@JTassassins]

Yea that was not a good comparison lmao

[@burfollydurmak4826]

"You can lead a fuckwit to logic But you can't make it think" A Bevermarsh

[@casie_gg7771]

The amazing thing about humans is that we never stop learning.

[@markan7550]

That's an amazing thing about some humans, Casie, not all. Maybe not even most humans...

[@mildredurena3550]

Oh my God! This is like going back to the dark ages. I'm so glad I took the time to find out what Qanon was. How on Earth did America get to this?

[@jimreily7538]

It's like an episode of the Twilight Zone. A really long and chilling one.

[@johnmurie2251]

I am born into the Satanic Clan of Beasts that built a STATUE of me to be worshipped.. They the Demonic Clan that my Biological Father is Head of were Sacrificing Young Blonde White Girls and Boys in the 1970's and beyond...Thanks to Holy Jesus Christ for providing me Courage to Repent and Fight back at the Satanists.

[@jimreily7538]

@@johnmurie2251 Might want to take information to the police so legal justice can be done

[@johnmurie2251]

@Jim. They are part of the Rabbit Warren,The International Rabbit Warren .I was on the same Island that made Worldwide News. It's beyond belief what I had done to me and what I witnessed.

[@jimreily7538]

@@johnmurie2251 That sounds terrible, I'm certainly sorry you had to endure it, I hope the criminals will be punished or have been captured and brought to justice

[@Sky9136]

I’m actually really grateful you guys made this video because it’s so spot on. It’s hard for us science based thinkers to not immediately laugh at the ridiculousness of it all but you’re right, all that does is force them to double down and then call us sheep. I genuinely feel sad for some of these people because they’re being manipulated so maliciously that they’re willing to sacrifice their own logic and rationality which is dangerous and when they do eventually wake up it’s going to be a hard fall back to reality. That being said, I’m guilty of humiliating and now I see that I’m just giving the delusion more fuel rather then helping it burn out quicker. Thanks for this, I needed it.

[@notificationsareblocked.yo53]

“Science based thinkers” 🙄 God people like you are the reason Trump got elected in the first place.

[@celiaspeth2669]

lol anyone here after the qanons invaded our capitol?

[@kosmonarrat1788]

You know what would help? News media ending the 24/hr news cycle of fear mongering, click baiting, and gossip.

[@bigdicccompanybreadmaker6505]

But that what news are for? If you don't want to know the latest and most important new don't turn on the news.. like they are news that is older then 24h worthy reporting on? What are yoy a magical thinker??

[@chihuahuasrule1415]

Amen!!!!

[@88marome]

What kind of news has click bait and gossip? You're watching some weird news.

[@PhilRaven1]

I've been kind, comprehensive, not insulting, etc. Sent straight facts to rectify crazy claims... and got blocked. What else?

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Well that sucks...

[@gryshammusic5079]

Keep trying, man. Stay calm, stay reasonable and keep being a support to people who are going through hard times. That's the best way to help each other and provide the kind of support network that is resistant to magical thinking and conspiracy. The best defense is just being decent to people and trying to help them out, while making sure you keep your boundaries up and look after yourself too.

[@MamaKatt]

Let's be real the jokes are literally writing themselves. It is hard not to go with them.

[@amandafarish]

Thank you for expressing the internal struggle of falling down the rabbit hole that is human psychology in 2020.

[@tokyojuul9987]

Fun Fact: The whole "Wayfair selling children as cabinets" thing started on reddit when someone was complaining about their cabinet prices. Qanons trolls came in with the explanation that it was that it was a front for selling childrens. However real reason they were listed so expensive ($10,000 - $13,000) was to restock the products so that no one would buy them until they had more without taking the listing down.

[@susanne5803]

I grew up with an encyclopedia within reach of the dinner table. Whenever an argument arose, we looked things up. Plus I had parents who listened even to children. It sometimes took them years to come around, but they let good evidence convince them. From that I learned several extremely important things: - Knowledge is preliminary. - Knowledge has nothing to do with the inherent worth of a person. - Dispute is precious. - Finding trustworthy sources is a process that can be acquired by anyone. - No information is perfect. But there is something like "high probability". "Probability" means something. - Every information can be broken down to a level of complexity that any other person can finally find meaningful. - We have to keep the conversation going. - Listening has high value. This is no protection from rabbit holes but it offers valid and useful resources to find back out of them. As a student I had a severe bout of UFO-belief. Not the "unknown" but the "unknown equals alien" kind. I so badly wanted aliens to exist in my lifetime that I fell for it and started reading a lot of that literature. After a very enthusiastic while I started noticing that all these things seemed to be based on circular reasoning. Then I started noticing that the bibliography seemed to be a closed circle preaching almost only to the choir. Since I studied at university this went contrary to everything I knew to produce valid arguments and valid theories. I really wanted to keep believing - it just didn't work for me. It is something we need to learn: if we are suspicious of an information what to do is to look for "fact checking", "debunking" and "critique". Not for support. Support leads down the rabbit holes into the closed circles with the circular reasoning. And make sure the "fact checking" sites have an impressum. Who are the authors? What are their interests? Again: No certainty - just "high probability". Thank you very much for a kind, enjoyable and educative video!

[@Krazie-Ivan]

that checklist is gold. thx.

[@yuniq9gaming930]

Thanks for your interesting comment, very much appreciated. Just curious, what are your thoughts on UFOs now? :)

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[@susanne5803]

@@yuniq9gaming930 UFO means to me now just that: "unknown flying objects" - things we can't yet explain. We should look for an explanation though because of security reasons: illegal aircraft? Illegal testing? Illegal weaponry? Yet unknown weaponry or aircraft illegally crossing borders? I'm still a sci-fi reader sci-fi film watcher and I'm still emotionally very much hoping for intelligent and friendly aliens within my lifetime. At the same time I'm a fan of Mick West and other debunkers. I don't believe at all someone came with spacecrafts secretly founding life, culture, whatever. I think that we humans will encounter "alien" life in the form of very early chemically reproducing strands, or some such. And we might not do that within my lifetime. I'm a huge fan of all the truly exciting life forms that existed and exist on earth. Kind regards!

[@yuniq9gaming930]

@@susanne5803 Very interesting, thank you for your reply. I agree, by the way, unidentified means exactly that. In the past i used to 'believe' as well, but i have come around on that aspect of the phenomena, since it seems like we are pushed to believe in such things , and i guess the rebel in me has an instinctive aversion to being pushed in any direction. I am still quite partial to the 'interference' narrative (missing link, annunaki) whatever you wanna call it. But that might just be because of the unexplained aspects of humanity, and how we came to be. I'll be sure to check out the reference you gave, thank you. Have a nice day.

[@eggypatrick5875]

QAnon is what happens when your stay at home soccer mom gets a hold of the internet Edit: great video by the way

[@eggypatrick5875]

@Calvin Landers too true

[@eaustin2006]

Dont call them idiots. Idiots arent dangerous. Call them Isis.

[@larisa7547]

I really enjoyed the simplicity n breakdown of this Story, thank you for reporting thank you very much

[@whydoidithis]

There is somethings truly amiss and these folks see it, but their attempts to make sense of the problem fall short because they construct easy and immediate answers that require them to sacrifice nothing.

[@Hermes_Agoraeus]

That, sir, is a quotable quote.

[@jameselias8955]

Yes, great comment.

[@flux.aeterna]

NYT, please pin this comment!

[@MYC_ODD_APP]

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[@vonsuthoff]

*How can so many support an unknown person or persons who have gotten so many predictions wrong!?*

[@Lara-jh6xf]

Vote Biden 2020

[@robbeach9066]

‘The earth is 6000 years old’ ‘But what about dinosaur bones?’ ‘God put them there to test our faith’ Religion. The original conspiracy theory

[@michaelkaminski1166]

My copy of the Bible actually has a footnote stating that Genesis should not be taken literally.

[@JubeProductions]

Religion and Qanon usually go hand in hand

[@thisisnothappening8452]

@@michaelkaminski1166 Nothing in the bible should be taken literally.

[@kingdavid3366]

This message is so sorely belated.... If people on the left actually care about change - they have to treat people on the right with respect. “You can’t influence somebody you don’t respect.” Most of us are lovable vulnerable people. We need to start being nicer on the left. That is hard to hear - but I think it’s really true.

[@myndimc6761]

This helps allot. I just hope my twin sister gets “bored” with it because she has slipped into a rabbit hole deeper than the pacific.

[@celebrityrog]

She's the EVIL twin.

[@davikbl]

This is exactly what I was needing to watch to know how to deal with my family. Thank you!

[@Hermes_Agoraeus]

Geez. ...makes me feel lucky to only have racist family members willing to flush our country for one more tax cut.

[@yuniq9gaming930]

... Oh boy 🙄

[@Boahemaa]

Its an incoherent set of nonsense causing real world harms. It is a problem.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Ah yes, the same people as believing in Televangelists...

[@Bob-wr1md]

People believe televangelist, because they promise them wealth and success. What promise does q give them? I seriously don't know. Even if 50% of it were true, it's a waste of time to be so invested into something like that

[@greeneyedlady5580]

@@Bob-wr1md it gives them a feeling of belonging to a community and a feeling of superiority, because they think they know more than most people do and more than the media does.

[@geofftayloruk]

Qanon: Trailer-Park Scientology...

[@7trumpets608]

Use critical thinking. God bless you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/imqWlHaZpbNsibs

[@milhouse14]

😂

[@trippsmclovin]

Big facts.

[@humphreybutterclump8742]

@@7trumpets608 base-less nonsense

[@kristopherhall971]

@@7trumpets608 right back at you. I hope you realize the error in your ways someday.

[@leannrice4118]

Way to go. Lies lies and more lies. WE ARE AWAKE NOW!!

[@J.D.GenXer]

I was about to write something ridiculous against QAnon... I didn’t... that was a good video!

[@ammaralkhatri8804]

Good Lad! 👍🏻

[@turquoise770]

here's a better one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mX_MZnZpetZ9Y6s

[@kagakai7729]

@@turquoise770 where's the better video? I don't see anything.

[@yuniq9gaming930]

You're doing great , kid!

[@Akunis8599]

Yeah, no. Write something against QAnon. This video is so incredibly wrong. Confront this cult with the truth, power, severe condemnation and righteousness. We need to treat these people like the Germans treated the Nazis post WW2 and not how we treated the confederates after the civil war.

[@jkobject]

I think we do not have enough evidence that humiliation is not working. should try a bit longer just to be sure.

[@CrazyFanaticMan]

Better to be safe than sorry

[@taoliu2920]

you are 100% democrats.

[@CrazyFanaticMan]

@@taoliu2920 What's that?

[@yuniq9gaming930]

It's absolutely not working , even IF (and that's a BIG if) it actually succeeds in humiliating the 'target', all it shows is your pettiness and misunderstanding of the subject(s). In fact, 95% of the time it makes YOU, not them, look really really stupid.

[@CrazyFanaticMan]

@@yuniq9gaming930 What's that?

[@FLYGUYtoys]

"they are not mentally ill", Um, disagree.

[@RandomSwiftie13]

True they might be.

[@galacticmarshin4510]

I wonder what the world would look like if religion never existed

[@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight]

@Uncookedcat 069 LOL we would still have weekends

[@jordantothesmith]

Well said.

[@watson5551]

Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. - Thomas Jefferson , 1822.

[@Hermes_Agoraeus]

8:47 _Imagine_ a comments section either kind and gentle, or neutral.

[@yuniq9gaming930]

They EVEN believe this stuff!!! Amazingly! kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGKYiadnq6yLpNU

[@RandomSwiftie13]

@@yuniq9gaming930 that's a garbage video...

[@tranceskill]

Found this video after read a news where a QAnon flower killed his 2 kids 😐

[@GediMini]

And here I thought that the internet has long since decided that feeding the trolls is not the way to go...

[@hannahsharma5108]

The 4d chess thing just sends me lol I'm so lost

[@onlyusernameleft2]

They don't need to be converted, they need to be jailed.

[@breakhart]

with the era of internet, this kind community is not really surprising actually 🙄

[@shepthedep5862]

Absolutely love the conclusion ！！！I feel like this doesn’t just apply to QAnons but other group of “internet oddities “too, in this day and age most people (especially kids)are just gonna dunk on these “odd” or “wrong “ group of people without realizing that behind all of that odd beliefs is just another misguided and confused human being . I always get so tired when people treat those people like some sort of living joke and treating the whole situation which is pretty serious like a real life meme, like I certainty don’t believe in QAnon but treating people and serious situations like that is just wrong on so many levels. So thank you guys for this

[@brianb7869]

THIS is great! FINALLY, SOME WISE MAAN TELLS THE EXACT TRUTH. thank you New York Times!

[@montycantsin8861]

Obsession with Q conspiracy > Q conspiracy.

[@yuniq9gaming930]

They EVEN believe this stuff!!! Amazingly! kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGKYiadnq6yLpNU

[@lightblue254]

What do we gain from Q? nothing, therefor should we fight it

[@montycantsin8861]

@@lightblue254 or, alternately, quit dredging it up, and it will quietly pass away eventually.

[@lightblue254]

@@montycantsin8861 No, problems don't just pass away if we ignore them. A cancer patient doesn't just cure themselves alone, they need our help

[@RandomSwiftie13]

@@montycantsin8861 that's what people thought about corona virus and look at us now.

[@patricktheil8844]

"they are not mentally ill" ...But we should basically treat them like they are mentally ill?

[@ohthechitchat]

Without 'saying' they are mental ill. 😆

[@saturndotnet]

With kindness & patience.

[@PlayFoLife]

The three tips given, I'd enjoy being treated with those independent of the group I'm part of. Especially at work or with people I often discuss with. Personally, I don't identify them as things we only do towards people that are considered mentally ill.

[@tamaralso]

Yes! You should absolutely treat them like you should treat people with a mental illness, that is to say, like they are a whole person who deserves empathy.

[@chipmeister111]

We should basically treat each other as humans.

[@jeffreyevans9431]

Q proves that abortion needs to stay legal .

[@painterbw]

Question: "What Can You Do About QAnon? Answer: Not one f*****g thing!

[@unica7944]

Be open minded, research and find the truth.

[@powerofknowledge7771]

Many of them are religious people are already primed for faith without evidence-- notice I said religious, not spiritual.

[@tdez6060]

this is so good.

[@h3rmzi]

this was a waste of my time

[@Chlo-ee]

Be patient, be kind, be respectful. But dear lord, be PATIENT as difficult as it is.

[@MrNoobomnenie]

6:26 Putting Anarchism in a same league as QAnon is just peak liberalism. "Never worker anywhere ever"? Tell this to a Ukrainian Black Army. Or revolutionary Catalonia. Or Zapatistas. Or Rojava.

[@QV3IK]

idk about others, (im informed only about Catalonia) but revolutionary doesn't mean it is anarchism. i think that to make anarchism work, you have to make humanity perfect, else it just leads to conflicts

[@jonathangiese5727]

@@QV3IK True, revolutionary ≠ anarchist. Anarchists are a type of revolutionary though, and together with communist and socialist groups they dominated Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War period.

[@wisteria6656]

Yes yes yes!

[@tyaz6556]

@@QV3IK Anarchism doesnt mean no laws or rules, it means absense of hierarchies.

[@teacherella1338]

First thing you learned when social media and chat programs became popular was that the person exchanging messages with you can be a bot or 55 year old Bob from Springfield instead of 13 year old Samantha of NYC. Which one is Q, I wonder?

[@uniteandstandtogether5545]

Instead of getting your information spoon fed to you why not research?

[@javac08642]

As a "thinker" when do I get to have my psychotic break?

[@johnbrandimore9011]

I won't argue or shame Q believers. But I refuse to engage with them. I have to look out for my own safety and protection before worrying about anyone else's feelings.

[@greenpilltheory6649]

Q Anon is a military psychological operation. And it's working perfectly.

[@spacesunseen]

Hegemonic narrative comes out against anarchism. So brave.

[@caffeinerick]

When you've lost hope and fulfillment and detached yourself from reality, you resort to conspiracies

[@ecydysis]

riddle me this

[@richardhawkins2248]

Some people rise to power and impeach someone twice with no actual crime or evidence. It's insane.

[@j.dragon651]

@@richardhawkins2248 Trump never asked the Ukraine for help, yea sure thing boss.

[@DimensiaTime]

PREACH weeb

[@richardhawkins2248]

@@j.dragon651 U R clueless

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

It is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.

[@bizzle918]

Wow. Powerful. Who knew kindness was strength? Oh, right, I did. Great video!

[@Knite_13]

"They're not mentally ill" hmmmmmm

[@watson5551]

Its like trying not to ridicule someone who still believes in the Easter Bunny.

[@StephenOrion]

What does 90% of conspiracy theorists and serial killers have in common? They’re all from USandA.

[@ohthechitchat]

Sorry not ALL of them. There is the usual echo of behaviour in the UK.

[@Bizarro_na_chapa]

This is true. But you should add pornography, gun and drug trafficking, satanism, ....

[@anonmouseanon5386]

So we are to believe that Epstein who had dirt on many influential individuals, committed suicide in his suicide watch jail?

[@russellrichmond5151]

Or just have more rights to know from thier intelligence agency

[@StephenOrion]

@@ohthechitchat all of the 90% stated very clearly my friend

[@LouisBackover]

I'll tell you what you can do about it... stop talking about it. Stop naming them. Stop quoting them. Just take all the oxygen away. NYT is just as responsible for propagation of the lies and conspiracy theories simply by reporting on it. Its a fact that the news makes news stories and subject matter more important simply by reporting on the subject over and over again. Pick something else for a change. You and I are responsible for the wakes we make.

[@cookiemama874]

Did you watch the video with your eyes and ears closed?

[@kenj4136]

I agree with you. I feel we would have quite a few less school schootings if we stopped broadcasting each one, recementing the idea into those who are vulnerable

[@vudat189]

We were taught that reading online to get knowledge. Now you have to have knowledge before you reading online

[@benjamin_markus]

centrism won’t help, that’s for sure

[@timquestionmark]

The way Americans think about politics is so frustrating

[@OT15055]

Maybe research the facts and don't only read the same sources for everything and you should be good.

[@flarone]

I am a large supporter of getting journalism from other countries. Sure, they're also biased. Yet, their biases and propaganda is not geared towards you. It's geared towards the people of the country whose media you are consuming. It makes it much easier to see outside of your bubble, as well as outside of the false dichotomies that plague American news and politics.

[@viclincoln8588]

This is actually the best way to deal with these guys.. I have commented on many fox news and newsmax stories on youtube by presenting facts and not shaming the other side. ( mostly). If they really want America to be Great again, then the only way is for all for us to come together and not fighting against each other.