Biden Promised to ‘Turn the Page’ on Trump. What Went Wrong?

[@johnp8880]

At 46:00, Sullivan completely dodges Ezra's question about American leverage over Israel

[@konormccracken]

@@johnp8880 the "metaphysical"-thing is the most inane thing I've ever heard

[@andrewlm5677]

I think the real truth is that the treatment of the Palestinian’s could be much worse, the leverage the west exerts is preventing it from getting worse, and that testing the limits of the influence we have risks being counter productive. Just a guess but I’d imagine talks between the Biden administration and the Israeli government require a level of tact that preclude one from making provocative statements on the internet. I think we all will come to have a renewed appreciation the value of disgression and tact over the next 4 years I expect Israel’s preferred solution would be deportation of the residents of the Gaza Strip and the West Bank and that would be achievable without western assistance but with a lot of fallout produced. This chaos is what the relationship allows us to avoid

[@farzana6676]

Israel is doing an excellent job on the frontlines of the civilizational fight against Islamic terror.

[@bryceprater5193]

The Democratic Party needs to "turn the page" on people like Jake Sullivan.

[@familykaplan1341]

Why?

[@JulieMoranNE111]

My question exactly - why?

[@Phillip713]

@@familykaplan1341because he is a bigger neocon than George w bush

[@familykaplan1341]

@@bryceprater5193 why?

[@bryceprater5193]

@familykaplan1341 Tbh, I posted this comment early this morning before listening to the entire episode lol Sullivan comes across as moderately likeable in this interview, but his specific answers on Israel and Ukraine range from slippery/pedantic to appalling.

[@coatfarm]

Calling it 'The Palestinian Question' -- are you guys doing this on purpose?

[@darriusbethea2373]

Of course they are.

[@LindaCarruthers-dg7gp]

Why yes, yes they are.

[@futuroid]

"kept America out of wars" like jfc

[@matthewsutton2241]

They might as well call it the "Final Solution to the Palestinian Question".

[@raincadeify]

They don't like the "g-word".

[@imposible2beat]

Unbearable interview. Don’t want to hear from any person in the Biden administration ever again. That is something both the left and right can agree on.

[@robinhood20253]

I do not agree.

[@grumpyoldcat8302]

@@robinhood20253yeah but you’re literally blaming the DOJ for BIDEN’S incompetence and paralysis in office

[@alextab25]

Amen to that

[@MrBearcatjew]

And the democrats wonder why they lost lol

[@iankclark]

Jake covers his tracks on the way out, courtesy of NYT.

[@bensweiss]

He and Democrats mistook an anti-Trump/change vote as a pro-Biden vote. He believed it was he, not other factors, who defeated Trump.

[@zuzanazuscinova5209]

The only thing that ever beat Trump was Covid, not Biden.

[@BM-wh5qk]

1000% right. Dems were in total denial that Covid gave them a massive advantage in 2020.

[@SpeakerOfTruth222]

What went wrong? The GOP appointed SCOTUS judges sold out America and violated their oaths to uphold the constitution and the rule of law by giving him immunity for his crimes against America. It's abominable that nobody's got the spine to defend democracy. RIP USA.💔🤍💙

[@LindaCarruthers-dg7gp]

Yes. It’s no accident he won the primary only after everyone but Sanders dropped out.

[@theEvilLord90]

@@LindaCarruthers-dg7gpsanders had a heart attack on the trail lol. Even if he stayed, he wouldn’t have the delegates to win the primary

[@aapgp777adfadd]

Jake Sullivan and those like him need to get out of government and go work for mckinsey or whatever ghoulish career they'll have next

[@robertmusil5831]

Sullivan is hubris personified. Eight days before the Hamas attack on Israel he said: "The Middle East region is quieter today than it has been in two decades now. Now challenges remain - Iran's nuclear weapons program, the tensions between Israelis and Palestinians - but the amount of time that I have to spend on crisis and conflict in the Middle East today compared to any of my predecessors going back to 9/11 is significantly reduced." Fun fact: "Sullivan" means "one-eyed" in the Irish language. Your ancestors are turning in their graves, Jake.

[@rayla1780]

Calm before the storm?

[@jaunt3603]

​@@rayla1780why was it calm? Surely a us intelligence lapse too.

[@konormccracken]

I feel like Ezra's conversation with these former Biden officials keeps failing to compel them toward performing serious introspection.

[@MikeB3542]

Part of the issue is that Sullivan is not (yet) "former"...he is still serving as National Security Advisor to Biden (who is still president).

[@violentflamingo]

I agree.

[@grumpyoldcat8302]

That’s the whole point of Ezra. He’s an establishment shill

[@SpeakerOfTruth222]

What went wrong? The GOP appointed SCOTUS judges sold out America and violated their oaths to uphold the constitution and the rule of law by giving him immunity for his crimes against America. It's abominable that nobody's got the spine to defend democracy. RIP USA.💔🤍💙

[@Shineon83]

EXACTLY. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@picklethepirate]

Shame this convo didn't take place at The Hague with ICC prosecutors...

[@donbalduf572]

Mr. Sullivan doesn’t feel he should dictate terms of negotiations with Russia, yet he felt fine about dictating tactics in Ukraine‘s war against Russian invasion. Not allowing U.S. provided weapons to strike inside Russia has gone a long way toward preventing a Ukrainian victory that would set suitable terms for a free and sovereign Ukraine. Despite vacillating U.S. support, Ukraine has exacted enormous human and materiel costs from Russia. Mr. Sullivan’s caution has brought Ukraine and the west the prospect of a frozen conflict and more trouble to come.

[@LindaCarruthers-dg7gp]

Indeed. War crimes in Gaza because of unbelievable fealty towards Israel and concomitant disdain for Palestinian lives, and lack of urgency towards providing Ukraine with everything it needed to take the fight up to and into Russia. Worst appointment except for Garland of course. And both those appointees are responsible for trumps second term imo.

[@familykaplan1341]

@@donbalduf572 Don’t put it past Putin to unleash nuclear weapons if the USA 🇺🇸 gets too involved.

[@involuntarysoul3867]

Ukraine was sacrificed to grind down Russia, they should have took the deal during the first month, they can never join NATO without a nuclear war

[@singed8853]

Correct. They adopted russias nonsense ‘red lines’ as our own. Horrible. Got blackmailed so easily.

[@SansDrachmae]

There is a lot to be pissed off about here, but for some reason my breaking point was at 53:40 when he inexplicably invokes Bob Dylan to explain that the "times are changing" in Iran.

[@raincadeify]

^^

[@coatfarm]

real

[@dogstucc853]

So completely out of touch. It’s like all of those influencers coming together to sing “Imagine” during covid except a million times worse because it’s a politician talking about the “situation” in gaza

[@raincadeify]

@@dogstucc853 💯

[@tomrenjie]

Dems need to turn the page on marketing speak and “controlling the narrative”

[@user-dv1fp1gj7v]

That's all they have. These people hire consultants to advise them on how to appear 'authentic.' "If only we had someone like Joe Rogan on the left who seemed authentic! How do we do that?" Soulless.

[@kg356]

Is this guy even a Democrat? He strikes me as just a hired gun with no ideology.

[@jennysteves]

The issue wasn’t the ending of the fighting in Afghanistan. The issue was the timing.

[@willdon.1279]

Trump negotiated a surrender over the head of the Afghans - but they could have done better.

[@KingNine82]

It's amazing to me that such a podcast can exist. This is truly aimed at the 'Some of the people all of the time' portion of the country.

[@djinghiskhan9199]

War criminal

[@Indrid__Cold]

42:04 Why did Hamas attack Israel? In no small part because Gaza was maintained by Tel Aviv as the world's largest open-air prison with conditions that were intolerable while rich Israelis sipped tea from their walled gardens well within sight of those impoverished people.

[@WhizzingFish12]

Horse crap. Israel couldn't have done that if it wanted to. Note that Gaza has a border with Egypt that's even more heavily fortified than the Israel/Gaza border. Wonder why that is? And Israel built its fence to stop Gazan suicide bombers. And checked incoming trade bc Hamas was relentlessly smuggling in weapons. And prevented the Gaza airport from oper bc you and I both know Hamas would have used suicide planes to attack Israel. Until the Palestinians recognize that Israel has a right to exist (which it most certainly does) and gives up the pipe dream of driving the Jews into the sea, they will continue to live immiserated lives.

[@shrewtamed]

Also: what other forms of resistance were left for them? Whenever they protested peacefully, Israel was murdering them anyway. After the 15 months of carnage voicing support for Israel means one of two things - you are either corrupt or Mossad filmed you raping children. This is Sullivan's legacy. The collapse of Israeli right to exist. The majority of people now regret Hitler wasn't more successful.

[@BasicLib]

You know the Israeli Govt Sits in Jerusalem right ? Not Tel Aviv It’s like referring the the US and talking about “Philadelphia maintains…”

[@David-ku2uu]

Intellectually brilliant...politically clueless.

[@danyminaya2828]

who? interviewer or interviewee?

[@David-ku2uu]

Interviewee IMHO

[@jamieasquith8373]

Nothing like downing a litre of vodka to another episode of the Ezra Klein show

[@robertmusil5831]

Jake, once you've finished with Ezra's request "to walk him through" why you think the country is better off today than it was four years ago", can you walk us through the implications of this: "Anti-American sentiment fueled by the war in Gaza is at a level not seen since the Iraq war" - National Counter-terrorism Center Director Brett Holmgren.

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

I fear the Trump Muppets are going to make the Dubya administration look like Star Trek levels of competence

[@lordcommander993]

Love to see that people of all political views dislike this man so much . He should never hold a position in government again .

[@theEvilLord90]

Very grateful to all the leftists who helped me get my president win in 2024. Y’all real MVP for my party.

[@rigust12]

Well, U voted for the "no more taxes on overtime" guy. I was baffled how many say "the democratic party left the working class".

[@mekhedashow]

I may be unhappy with escalation management that worked so well. But I thank you for well-put answers on Ukraine. Many people try to gaslight the situation, so this is important.

[@RickyWashington-pl1jo]

Everything is irrelevant after Gaza, this Democrats version of Cheney will no be missed

[@danielblackham2290]

They never asked “how does this effect working families in America?” What the fuck? Isn’t that supposed to be the whole point?

[@danielblackham2290]

5:56

[@richardunderwood9683]

I would argue we should dictate Ukraine's approach towards negotiations. Falling back on the principle of "its their land they should decide" is unethical in the sense that Ukrainian's are experiencing nationalist huberous, meaning regardless of the pain and suffering this war is causing, Ukrainians are, against the best interest of humanity, tolerate of this devastation. They are prioritizing their preference for flag that has the color yellow on it over mitigating death and destruction. I'm not saying they should surrender, however echoing Richard Haass analysis, they are wasting lives and money on terrority that is deeply entrenched into Russia's sphere at this point.

[@isbestlizard]

How DARE china refuse to rule out using military force to annex neighbouring territories!!

[@journeyman378]

These people lost me already, they talking middle-class and iv never been middle-class!

[@toroduro7170]

He’s one that will end up having needed a pardon

[@aldoajoudeng-akuey6959]

President Biden’s foreign policy covered the EU, other European countries outside NATO, the Middle East, China, Japan. India, BRIGS countries, and that is where South Africa appeared. If there is anything for Africa, then it might be sanction scenario. The USA has no position policy on Africa. I am going to write an article on this for African consumption.

[@collinbober6707]

nothing like drinking 7 to 8 beers watching new ezra klein podcast

[@Llkc60]

that's not beer buddy. that's soda water with alcohol.

[@LindaCarruthers-dg7gp]

And as for Ezra, give me a fucking break. First, ending the Afghan war was one of the best things Biden did. Second, don’t get carried away with AUKUS. It’s not popular in Oz. At all.

[@dragoaus]

Trump ended war in Afghanistan by signing deal with Taliban. Biden only executed what Trump signed

[@WhizzingFish12]

It was a TERRIBLE decision to withdraw from Afghanistan. Just ask Afghani women. Or the terrorist resurgence that will surely occur.

[@larrym2434]

@@WhizzingFish12 Why should we drop bombs in another country on behalf of women, when the Supreme Court in this country is stripping women of their freedom of choice in this country?

[@kg356]

Ezra said that he supported the Afghanistan pull out and still does. It's objectively true a lot of people thought Biden mishandled it.

[@SerhiiLevchenko]

Ending the war in Afghanistan was probably the right thing to do, but done in the worst possible way with many consequences around the world.

[@SerhiiLevchenko]

He will be a nice professor somewhere in the Ivy League.

[@ashishprabhat1]

I hope what he says he doesn’t mean because he can’t criticize the govt. but this is super unreflective and delusional. Ezra asked the right questions but the NSA was not even curious of of the other view

[@555Trout]

Bye Jake. You were a catasrophe for America.

[@christopherignace5238]

Someone I ohio said to Sullivan "I heard liberal national order and don't like any of these 3 words". He concluded that the global (yes global) financial crisis contributed to lack of US middle class faith, and a concluded that foreign policy should start at home with a US centric effort coordinated with allies to help defeat foes like China. Ok. I feel this needed to be challenges and digged into. Ezra, please did into fundamental statements that are supposed to support someone's philosophy... The Biden administration has been largely successful in the international arena, I think, but this was unappreciated and felt immaterial by the middle class. That's the right place to dig. It mattered to the direction of the country, not to votes. Again, let's deconstruct and challenge further. Thanks for the opportunity to chat.

[@davijoe2002]

I think he talks a fair bit of sense. But also he'd make a great G-Man in the Half Life movie.

[@pierheadjump]

⚓️ Regarding the Afghan withdrawal: ??? Where was the military? The military spends hundreds of $M on postgraduate education for the command structure. All the while strategizing military long term planning. Including weapons systems, personnel allocation, infrastructure management. OK then these military brainiacs thought perpetuating a twenty year war was a good idea? A whole generation of military was tied up in Afghanistan and minimal planning went into withdrawing. The military has successfully shed its responsibility of an ordered evacuation to the Biden administration with zero accountability by anyone… the press…The administration… the GAO … I have to SHOUT WTF???

[@SpeakerOfTruth222]

Trump made the deal with the Taliban at Camp David, which gave them control over Afghanistan.

[@SpeakerOfTruth222]

What went wrong? The GOP appointed SCOTUS judges sold out America and violated their oaths to uphold the constitution and the rule of law by giving him immunity for his crimes against America. It's abominable that nobody's got the spine to defend democracy. RIP USA.💔🤍💙

[@larrym2434]

Koolaid drinkers can't admit defeat, even when it's in the best interest of the soldiers and the country.

[@JeffRebornNow]

Oh, I wish Klein was asking those questions for real, and that he was asking someone other than this corporate stooge.

[@bcaiko]

If this conversation was supposed to be about how “turning the page” on Trump failed - why is the conversation almost entirely on foreign policy?

[@MrRossGodwin]

@bcaiko Because Jake Sullivan is the National Security advisor. Foreign policy is the primary focus of his day to day job.

[@rayla1780]

Harris lost the vote. Biden lost folks vs. (this). Harris didn't veer from Biden but doubled down. Then doubled down again. This was the sticky issue that stuck.... Folks voicing their complaints were locked out. Ez. considers his core audience both intelligent and thoughtful. We're expected to remember much more than implied by thumbnail titles.

[@E.J-f6h]

Not surprising ly there is not a single character line on Sullivan face……..totally fits

[@JulieMoranNE111]

Democrats, when pointing fingers at seemingly trivial "price of eggs" economic reasons, cannot seem to address a core fact: The right candidate for president in 2024 was the one selected among a broad set of candidates best assured to beat Donald Trump. With all due respect to Kamala Harris, at this particular point in time, she was the wrong candidate for that critical role. In that regard, the party mismanaged the short opportunity they had to make sure the right candidate was chosen. Therein lies the critical lesson.

[@WhizzingFish12]

Harris doesn't deserve "all due respect." She is a horrible, amoral human being and we dodged a bullet with her loss.

[@scottheathco7323]

breaking news..tyjuan is a part of china the same way hawaii and alaska are part of the u.s.

[@Llkc60]

the way his person talks speaks really well to phenomenon of how a declining power sees itself. He can talk for hours about how strong america is, how good the economy is, about how they have the best relationships ever with foreign powers: this is how the elite sees things. Then you talk to the vast majority of the population and they'll give you a very-very different picture about how america is doing. This is precisely what came through the last election. Another major sign of waning power is how foreign powers see the 'United' States. That does not match the petrence of strength displayed in this talk either. when facing problems the worst possible approach is to pretend they do not exist. The disconnect with reality (which matches the views of everyone, except that few hundred people who are actually in power in the United States) that american elites display is a sure way to know that they won't be able to stay on the very narrow path that could save their empire. They came very close to failing, before Nixon gave them another 50 years with the financial reforms. There aren't anymore tricks left in the hat... The most saddening is how far this country diverged from the image it saw itself, which it once was until the mid 60's. I don't think there's way back there.

[@SpeakerOfTruth222]

What went wrong? The GOP appointed SCOTUS judges sold out America and violated their oaths to uphold the constitution and the rule of law by giving him immunity for his crimes against America. It's abominable that nobody's got the spine to defend democracy. RIP USA.💔🤍💙

[@stevegong-y5b]

So telling, right? Whichever side has the most money and power!

[@joelwhigham4170]

What went wrong....Garland!

[@jfwrg3461]

Garland didn’t get him elected a second time.

[@SpeakerOfTruth222]

What went wrong? The GOP appointed SCOTUS judges sold out America and violated their oaths to uphold the constitution and the rule of law by giving him immunity for his crimes against America. It's abominable that nobody's got the spine to defend democracy. RIP USA.💔🤍💙

[@monster2slayer]

ezra klein... isn't that the guy that made an absolute fool of himself on sam harris' podcast?

[@konormccracken]

50:53 wow, there must've been some "metaphysical" revelation in the last 24 hours. This guy is insufferable.

[@anthonyjames7534]

Thank you Ezra for the interview with Mr Sullivan. He's slick and was able to cover a lot of ground relatively quickly. Whilst I don't agree with some of the points he made, for example the US supply of weapons to Israel (and therefore arguably being complicit in genocide), he laid out the rationale in a nuanced and clear manner. I also learned a bit about the inner workings of the Biden administration. So again, thank you Ezra and team.

[@WhizzingFish12]

There is no genocide in Gaza. Period. I refuse to allow the left to continually try to redefine terms that have established meanings.

[@anthonyjames7534]

@WhizzingFish12 and white is black and the world is flat. You have your reality, many others don't see it that way. It is pointless to litigate the issue here, but it will be at some point in an appropriate forum.

[@drakelang8342]

many people died on your watch jake, disappointed dem and american. you are the new chamberalin. #jakesullivan @jakesullivan

[@higgleopss]

Talking about the West's strength being the ability to reinvent itself while singing the paeans of an administration and a party inveterately attached to maintaining the status quo is a bit rich don't you think Mr. Democrat?

[@georgevas2889]

Two out of touch dudes

[@anwiycti1585]

Challenge, huh ?!😂😂😂

[@minionmememindset7889]

BaiDansisters….

[@MattyV001]

It’s so easy to say that the Biden administration is completely incompetent, but when you hear how smart and thoughtful this dude is you kinda realize it’s just an impossible job.

[@yiyangma8857]

he needs to go out and touch grass

[@jamiepaulzine6725]

How about Hillary was extremely terrible as sec of state , corrupt etc

[@woodz666]

Is this conversation for real. Get a grip Ezra

[@parker9012]

On the cutting off of military aid to Israel, the issue is what happens after. Will Israel pursue a new alliance, perhaps with China, or Russia? Also remember Israel has nuclear weapons, if it finds itself alone in the world, with invasions on it's southwest and north, with airstrikes from the east, will it start nuking Lebanon or Iran?

[@tomarmstrong1297]

"If you don't support us, well, we might be liable to start a nuclear conflict." Totally logical, completely sane greatest ally.

[@parker9012]

@@tomarmstrong1297 well I mean wouldn't the US do the same thing? If the US found itself without allies, with a enemy with superior conventional military forces, facing destruction? In that situation I'd expect any country to use all weapons, including nuclear, to protect their people.

[@grumpyoldcat8302]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@parker9012Israel is not facing an enemy with superior conventional military force. And, no, US doctrine on nuclear warfare is extremely clear on this issue. You’re just desperate for excuses

[@DaKoopaKing]

Do you think if we leave NATO the UK and France won't reason the same way about Russia? 😂

[@VV-er3zg]

@@tomarmstrong1297 strategic alliances aren’t made on who’s sane but whats more advantageous

[@pade1365]

There is a big difference between wanting Ukraine to win and Ukraine not lose the war.....

[@r8chlletters]

Every time you guys trot out these democrats I clearly see why we got in this mess.

[@MaryKayWiens]

I coudn't finish it. Ghoulish.

[@Blockchain_Basics]

This guy is awful

[@fabienmerteuil6226]

If your job was to put Ukraine in the "best" possible position, you FAILED. You basically tied their hands, made them surrender Avdiivka with weapon use restrictions, F16 delays, rejection of no fly zone (even though you did it for Israel). I don't think you deserve any credit for Ukraine's limited successes.

[@Michael-j4h]

Hey, it’s Jake The Snake author of Russia , Russia, Russia😮

[@mobilityproject3485]

troll or bot

[@laurie9557]

Why do we assume Ukraine must honor the Geneva Conventions, but assume that it is OK for Israel to violate them?

[@fronabulax63]

Jake the snake🪱😅

[@RichardLoomis-k7x]

END THE WAR TRUMP!!!

[@americanexpat8792]

Inflation. That’s the answer to the question.

[@SpeakerOfTruth222]

What went wrong? The GOP appointed SCOTUS judges sold out America and violated their oaths to uphold the constitution and the rule of law by giving him immunity for his crimes against America. It's abominable that nobody's got the spine to defend democracy. RIP USA.💔🤍💙

[@RaulitosWay1969]

They skipped the fact that ppl died in the withdrawal and left behind millions of worth of American artillery, vehicles, weapons and only God knows what sensitive materials. Skipped over that minute detail.

[@YourOnlineOpinionsArentValid]

What about Bidens other failed promise. Affordable housing??

[@rayla1780]

I won't pardon my son.

[@rayla1780]

That's for the niche only.

[@txnmia8613]

​@@rayla1780working class people don't care about Hunter's or any other pardons

[@aapgp777adfadd]

yikes, we're in trouble as a country with these two having serious power :(

[@12MVX]

What a moron. He should be prosecuted alongside Netenyahu

[@plumerjr]

Ezra’s just getting more irritating. Turning into a NYT’s version of Bill Maher.

[@kg356]

In what way?

[@ThinkingMan482]

Whenever I listen to these podcasts I am struck by the contrast between the thoughtful, reasoned conversation of the left (with which I couldn't identify with more) versus the bearded, camo-wearing, toxic masculinity of the right. Their rudeness, disdain for cooperation with partners and general disdain for any limits to their self-interest or regard for anyone other than themselves represents a completely different outlook on life. The politics of this conflict is not one of simply somehow appealing to the other side of American life. It's a fundamental divide. I have no idea how we might resolve this conflict.

[@jfwrg3461]

Starting with an understanding that the stereotypes that we carry of the other side might not be helpful in reaching unity on shared policy goals might be a nice start. Just a thought.

[@ThinkingMan482]

@@jfwrg3461 You're correct about the stereotype in my description of the right. It is a stereotype and not fair, but there is a dramatic contrast between the styles and personas of right and left. I have a hard time seeing a bridge between the two. It is not a coincidence that each side is suspicious and distrustful of the other.

[@jfwrg3461]

@@ThinkingMan482 I respect that. You’re right that there feels like a chasm between both sides at the moment. I just try to understand as best as I can, and know that there have been times in our history where we were more divided than now. I still think we’re stronger together than apart.

[@arktseytlin]

Forget the "toxic masculinity" expression. This kind of language gets you nowhere.

[@ISpitHotFiyaa]

I'll take the bearded camo-wearing toxic male over another warmonger out of the foreign policy establishment. He may be rude but his actions won't get anybody killed.

[@zwatwashdc]

Without listening to this I guessing it’s going to boil down to voters being some version of deplorable.

[@AceGigalo]

The knowledge is chasing you, but you're too fast! Take the video down before you learn sometning LMFAO

[@zwatwashdc]

I was wrong, I am impressed that he appears to be digesting the loss -at least for now - without calling the voters names and casting aspersions on their character.

[@MrRossGodwin]

oof

[@upstateev]

Incredible reverse metaphor illustrating how simple an invasion of Canada would be, when trying to make a case for Putin's War having failed 😂😂😂

[@josephsontich754]

Do you think he really believes it? 😂

[@upstateev]

@josephsontich754 believes what??

[@LindaCarruthers-dg7gp]

Oh, and don’t get excited with any SE Asian or Australian appetite for war with China over Taiwan or any other issue. It’s not 1964 any more. Grow up.

[@brianbevard7815]

What happened? Incompetence

[@r.r.r.918]

Continues to dance around the fact that it’s US taxpayer money that’s funding the Ukraine war. What if US taxpayer like myself think this enough, and don’t really give damn what Ukraine thinks or wants? At the very least we should be getting something in return like mineral rights or land until all debts are paid off with market interest rates.

[@josephcorridon9314]

They confront that question directly at 29:15. I'm sure it would be possible to leave Ukraine to get swallowed up by Russia, or force them to make concessions, get them to give the US stuff, but to do so would be morally indefensible. You'd be letting a democracy be wiped out, and give a massive territorial gain to an autocracy, because it costs too much, and frankly US spending has a lot more areas of gross overspending than Ukraine.

[@r.r.r.918]

@@josephcorridon9314 yeah I heard that nonsense answer. All American foreign policy should advance US interests so questions of mortality are not as important as you make out to be. The US doesn’t go and try to liberate North Korea because that would be a waste of resources. Mortality this and morality that. Can you please wake up and stop grand standing? The only thing that matters is long term US interests. If Ukraine wants to sell half its country to the US for US aid, then maybe there’s a deal to be made.

[@grumpyoldcat8302]

@@r.r.r.918you are so hopelessly incompetent

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

We haven't lost a single American soldier in this war. Russian casualties are on track to hit 1 million this coming year. We've been spared the expense of disposing of tons of weapon systems that have been largely collecting dust since the 90's We've collected invaluable data on current weapons platforms of ours such as the Patriot Air defense system, HIMARS and ATACMS, the long range 155mm M777 rounds, heck a Ukrainian pilot just set a world record for taking out 6 Russian ballistic missiles in 1 flight with his F-16 (which were provided by the Europeans, so that they could upgrade to the F-35, which means more jobs domestically) We've also learned about the capabilities of enemy weapons like the dreaded S-400 air defense, and the T-14 ALL this and more for less than 1% of our annual domestic defense budget, to a nation who actually wanted it! I have my critiques and criticisms, I harbor no particular malice towards Russia, I wish that we all could have just gotten fat and along under the golden arches 🤷🏼‍♀️ may our incoming oligarch overlords be merciful in their grifting

[@VV-er3zg]

@@r.r.r.918 not so much morality, but advancing power against your interests. A bigger Russia is bad news for you, personally, you just don’t realise it yet

[@thealexfish4480]

This guy sucks

[@rayla1780]

Generic comments 🎉

[@Readabookfoofoo]

Maybe Americans are wise enough to recognize a con when we see one. How many false narratives about police killing unarmed black men shoved into the collective psyche (etc etc etc!) did you expect us to take before we shoved back?

[@BasicLib]

False ? lol

[@ruchpat1]

First

[@MrJayColes]

How are you still figuring it out 😂

[@Ryan-h2u]

Collective punishment is unacceptable. Period.