OBD 3 - NO more speeding, NO more modding, NO MORE CAR CULTURE?

[@MrSatastic]

As a professional auto technician obd3 has been talked about for for than 20 years in alot of the training programs I have attended. Very scary when the government gets so involved. Dependability and quality keeps going down as prices keep going up. All in the name of fuel economy and fake environmental concerns.

[@07wrxtr1]

Because they don’t actually want people to “own” vehicles

[@iJynxO]

Too much govt involvement and invasion of privacy is obviously bad. But how is fuel economy and environmental concerns fake? These are separate issues.

[@BrettShadow]

​@iJynxO It isn't "fake" but the environmental impact is almost nill and the govt policies and regs have done nothing but drive fuel economy down

[@tihzho]

As of November 2024, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates that 18,720 people died in motor vehicle crashes in the first half of 2024.

[@danbob1650]

​@@07wrxtr1 biggest mistake the elite gave us. The car is freedom tool for world's average Joe's. They been kicking themselves in butt for about at least the last 70 yrs.

[@quantumphaser]

My 1990s vehicles have a feature no new car made in the last 10 years has. Privacy.

[@aaron___6014]

My 2012 golf and The Taliban's 2024 land cruiser have privacy. The corporations and government want money and control.

[@estebanhenriquez3491]

I literally just purchased a ‘90 4Runner! Yeah, very hands on vehicle and zero surveillance.

[@quantumphaser]

@estebanhenriquez3491 Those last forever with proper car. 😎👍

[@sheldonlamey7010]

Some insurance companies offer trackers for older cars for "good driving refunds" just kindly decline whenever that's offered to you. The news is already ripping insurance companies for tracking on new vehicles.

[@cadeleith1313]

96 and 98 here, Roger that on privacy.

[@coyote_bravo2723]

One of my teachers once told me “The harder we try to create a utopia, the closer we get to a dystopia” and I feel like this is a prime example of that. It’s not about the environment and safety anymore. it’s about control

[@Nanashi_MYOB]

"As government expands, liberty contracts."

[@AppealToHeaven777]

It never was about the environment or safety. They just can’t hide their true motives anymore

[@squidvis]

Male teacher?

[@thystaff742]

Never was about the environment or safety. That's the banner they hid their agenda under.

[@kjhnsn7296]

@@coyote_bravo2723 I thought all teachers were liberals?

[@wigletron2846]

"You've reached your daily carbon allowance. Please try again tomorrow."

[@homeistheearth]

I really cant understand people cant see this coming and dont protest... Oh we must defend Ukraine!! But we wont even lift a finger for our own freedom and our own Future!!

[@janremongalura5713]

Jeez where is this, Canada?

[@IDT69]

“But I haven’t even left the driveway!”

[@n085fs]

I'm sure a school bus emits less carbon than a Prius. /s

[@quantumphaser]

@wigletron2846 one day, this may be reality. I just hope I'm not around to see it.

[@BBBILLY86]

The 90s thru early 2000s was the high point of vehicles. Basic, affordable, all options needed to be comfortable ride, decent power, fuel economy, longevity, style, highway speeds. Older vehicles look sexy but antiquated driving experience. Newer are bloated with options and gizmos making cars cost $40,000, and trucks cost $60,000 that break and rust at low miles.

[@BBBILLY86]

I drove a few 90s vehicles for 20 years and almost 300,000 miles before they were not worth repairing. Alot of small nagging repairs. Newer vehicles need major money and repairs by 80,000 miles. Motors and transmissions.

[@kurtvanluven9351]

I have one 2006 truck. The rest of my vehicles are 1982 or older.

[@fogsho]

Completely agree

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

The 60s was peak automobile. Ever since then, they've been trying to take the fun out

[@BBBILLY86]

@The_R-n-I_Guy 90% of normal cars were, bias ply tires, 4 wheel drums, carburetor, 3 speed with limited top speed, 2 speed wipers with no intermittent, only lap belts, smoker vent window instead of AC, horrible seats,lacked passenger side mirror, yearly ignition tune ups needed. Love my 60s cars. They look the best. But the next few decades cars became true drivers with just enough options to make them comfortable, safe and a pleasure to drive cross country if needed.

[@0nceagain333]

All those automakers got bailed out in 2008 with our money just to turn around and spit in our faces.

[@Dowlphin]

Because they didn't get bailed out by you. They bailed themselves out using you.

[@BigjohnZ06]

Except Ford did NOT take the government bailouts and they Didn't Need it.

[@pavevbogovev4045]

@@Dowlphin they signed a deal with the devil, they have to do whatever NSA says otherwise they won’t get special treatment by feds.

[@dyingculture1]

The government used their police power to seize your money and give it to the automakers. Now the automakers work with the government to spy on you.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Taxes is theft

[@anthonysabella9637]

What I wanna know as far as insurance goes. Where does my money go that I’ve paid for the last 5 years and never used it? All I’m paying for is to tell the state that I have insurance. But when I need to use my insurance after 5 years of paying thousands of dollars. My rates go up. Car insurance is the biggest scam next to health insurance

[@GamePlays_1230]

all insurance is

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

The rates don't go down with depreciation of the vehicle either, and thats BS.

[@pkuudsk9927]

Just wait till you have paid insurance for 42+ years and never had a claim and they start raising your rates because your getting old. They never ask how many years have you been racing or ask you come do a driving test. At 57 I am a better driver than 98% of drivers with millions of miles more than the average person, especially at full throttle and late braking apexing a conner back to full throttle. A dumb kid 16 takes driver ed and gets a break on insurance, 49 years racing No credits ? WHY? Good drivers pay for bad drivers out of the insurance pool thats where the money goes and it's wrong.

[@Support_Ad_Blocker]

and home insurance

[@Support_Ad_Blocker]

@@stayinganonymous.3172 or your age. When I was young (a long time ago) I kept hearing how my insurance would go down as I got older. HA!

[@Shinigamix07]

All of this just feels so evil and depressing, I grew up dreaming of driving amazing cars all through childhood. Seeing what’s on the horizon just makes me sad, so dystopian

[@davidshepherd265]

Same, though lucky there’s still plenty of old amazing cars for us to enjoy

[@FreedomInc]

Well. You allowed it to happen. Most of us did. Some of us recognize the real issues this country has though. And voting harder isn't going to fix the problems.

[@homeistheearth]

Well -- many think the same. First step - stop complying, start to disobey, dont support the system.. So many cant seem to disrepect or disagree with systems the media gaslight you into oblivion about. I guess there is enough laws to jail all these people over human rights violations, privacy, abuse and theft etc.

[@RadientLight]

We live in such a New World Disorder. Disgusting lack of freedom and it's getting worse every year

[@FirstFreedom]

@@homeistheearth Agree. We control our future, not these tyrants. Don't get discouraged.

[@c-man5679]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge -"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." Thomas Jefferson

[@class5bodyworks]

I remember around 20 years ago the insurance companies were dying to get access to a vehicle's ECM after accidents. Surprisingly it got shot down by the government as privacy issues. So their legal loophole was to make it voluntary. So they came up with the "safe drive" devices to low jack your car. Basically shaving a few bucks off your premiums to gain access to your drivind habits through the computer. So this OBD3 sounds like final nail if implemented.

[@AcuraLvR82]

Safe Drive devices have backfired spectacularly in the face of insurance companies. Most those devices, specifically Progressive Snap Shot, wreaks hell on a vehicle's ecu and electrical system. And about everyone whos ever installed them never saw a rate decrease but the exact opposite. I personally know a man who had the Snap Shot device fry 3 $250 batteries in his old GMC and joined the class action lawsuit against them.

[@bjangles8718]

They don't need snap shot any more. Louis Rossman did a video on companies that buy all the tracking data from our cell phones and sell it to the car insurance companies. Guess what, your phone knows exactly how you drive. Your cell carrier also sells the data they have from your Internet use. We are the product.

[@class5bodyworks]

@@AcuraLvR82 Wow. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the info

[@jacoblittle3209]

@@class5bodyworks yes, when I first saw those devices offered from insurance companies I laughed and said I don't care if they cut my bill in half there's no way I falling for that.

[@class5bodyworks]

@jacoblittle3209 Same here. I knew exactly what their angle was.

[@likesbikes77]

I'll never forget when my neighbor told me he was worried about this. He's an old Vietnam vet so a very old school type gear head. About 10 years ago he was sitting in his truck at work on his smoke break when a voice from the truck scared him. It called him by name and then told him the free period of satellite radio has expired and asked if he wanted to sign up. He asked how they knew he was sitting in the truck while turned off and they said they could tell from the weight sensor in the seat linked to the airbag. He asked if they knew where he was and they described the location of the parking lot and surrounding buildings. I feel they have already gone too far. And don't get me started on Nest doorbells.

[@pauliusgruodis137]

Oh, that was GM's OnStar, wasn't it?

[@likesbikes77]

@@pauliusgruodis137 It sure was.

[@aceprater5397]

a person I know bought a decade old executive car ($100k+new) - someone rear ended him and the Northstar system came on with a live operator asking if they were OK and everything. This was a used car with no northstar account ever linked or swapped or anything. I think they should make Maximum Overdrive 2025 movie.

[@Tubes12AX7k]

Possibly his phone, too, which probably linked via bluetooth to his car. They can also tell where your eyes are pointed, because even my Corvette tells me to keep my eyes on the road (when I was backing up out of the garage).

[@djaydeved]

@@Tubes12AX7k i aint in the position to buy one of them expensive ass cars but fuckin HELL i'd never tbh

[@1quickdub]

Jumbo jet burns more fuel in one hour than my truck will in it's lifetime... and they have no emission controls. It was never about us, it's about control

[@tommywicker1432]

Dead On

[@bearclaw5115]

An A380 (biggest jet ever) burns 4600 gallons per hour but it can move up to 800 people 600mi in that hour. It's more efficient than your truck by person/miles by far. Probably 3 times as efficient.

[@ghost-jesus]

​@@bearclaw5115an A380 can reasonably move a little over 500 people on short-haul flights, it burns more than 8 gallons per hour per person, my pickup is a 7.5L v8 and no overdrive, it burns 4.1 gallons per hour on the road and holds 3 in the cabin plus 8 relatively comfortably in the bed and up to 16 more comfortably than an airliner, which is legal in my state, the airliner doesn't break even for quite a long distance.

[@AbrahamShekelstein]

@@bearclaw5115 Now do this for private jets for the elites with just a few people onboard

[@NewEdgeDesigns]

@@bearclaw5115Does that count the empty ones or the ones spraying chemicals 24/7 or the private jets the billionaires take to meet up and talk about how they are going to control us next?? How about the remote control ones they fly into buildings and take your freedoms away?? Are those ones more efficient also??

[@MrRiffraf]

"They" hate your freedom. Your ability to drive wherever and whenever you like keeps them awake at night.

[@aygwm]

Gotta find out who “they” are.

[@spectrumofreality]

@@aygwm Not hard, start at the Orisini's and work down...

[@DagaenGolomb]

On your highly subsidized, socialist roads. You want the best of both worlds: "freedom" on roads paid for by everyone. Ironic and asinine.

[@ellensedge1898]

Government wants it, is it going to help find Venezuelan gangs that rip peoples fingernails off? No. Will it find a guy who spent 6wks wearing a fat suit, using cash, and walking to delete a insurances CEO denying people life. Yes.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

​@aygwm "They" are auto companies and insurance companies. They're the ones paying for the lobbying. And if you think this is partisan politics, let me remind you Republicans did just as little to stop this as Democrats are. They will do whatever their doners tell them to.

[@redbonetony22]

glad im not the only one who understands this. this is the main reason i have returned to teaching because obd3 technology is the end of right to repair; no more weekend warriors, shade tree mechanics, tuners, or independent shops (that are cheaper than dealerships). isn't our cell phones enough for tracking devices? and yeah, my paid off car is my paid off car, but remember, in 2030, you will own nothing and love it.

[@jacoblittle3209]

You are completely right. SMOG checks here in CA definitely stopped caring about "emmisions". I failed my last SMOG test because I had an oil catch can! I asked the inspector how that is possible, the catch can makes the car run cleaner and ultimately more efficient by reducing carbon build up from my direct injection turbocharged car. He just shrugged his shoulders and said sorry man, you just can't have it

[@raverbunniaz]

Passes AZ emissions a few years ago in a Nissan Sentra that was blowing black smoke out of the tail pipe because OBD 2 didn't send any error codes. Legally barred from sniffing anything OBD 2 {96 and newer). Literally legally required to fail your emissions because you tripped a left parking light error with a clean running car and pass dirty cars that don't send error. Not sure how this is helping air quality in southern Arizona.....

[@sostrongineedmoreofyourmon974]

Hmm. This is concerning because I plan on installing a catch can in my newer F150. CA really does get annoying.

[@jacoblittle3209]

@sostrongineedmoreofyourmon974 fortunately the catch can is relatively easy to install and uninstall and we'll worth the effort to have. Especially with an ecoboost engine. Plus, with newer cars you don't need a smog check for the first 8 years. Definitely get the catch can. It will prevent headache down the road

[@ghoulbuster1]

It's all a scam to keep you controlled.

[@Tubes12AX7k]

I have an oil catch can on my Corvette. I'm pretty sure it's just the presence of the catch can that causes you to fail the state check because it is a modification to the closed crankcase to intake loop (apparently it doesn't matter that it's a closed loop with it installed). I haven't run into the issue of it being installed, but I keep the original stock factory hose in case I need it for a state inspection.

[@williamsinger4124]

Cars are becoming like video games (microtransactions for features) and friggin phones (forced updates that fix one thing and screw up 6 others)

[@XMcBainXUSA]

Quit buying them and demand something cheaper, (and less complex)

[@RadientLight]

I'm under 40 and I'm so disgusted with how evil cars, phones, TV's, computers have become

[@RadientLight]

I hate micro trasactions

[@ghost-jesus]

​​@@XMcBainXUSA Unfortunately the auto manufacturers are literally forbidden from making a good vehicle by law

[@VancouverCanucksRock]

Dude, it ain't Human tech, so why are you surprised it's gone this way? ​@@RadientLight

[@cromagnon305]

Your phone is as much as a snitch as your car in today's world.

[@ScooterSafety]

You can easily put your phone in a Faraday bag or wrap it with tin foil to block the signal for tracking, but you can't do that with modern cars. There should be a privacy minded disable button to press in the car.

[@likesbikes77]

I always keep my location off in the settings. The only real difference I've noticed is that I have to manually add the start location when in maps.

[@redneckhippiefreak]

@@likesbikes77 lol You can not turn off locations or tracking on cellphones.., you can only turn off the notifications that you are being tracked. 8/

[@Trump985]

I've been without a phone for almost a year now, It's difficult to do a lot of stuff nowadays without one. My phone died and at first I was just too busy to go get one, however it soon became a personal experiment to see if I could get by without one. Honestly it's been an interesting experiment, it's not as easy as it used to be, good luck finding a payphone anymore. It's so funny when you tell someone you don't have a phone they think your lying at first, then they think your insane🤣. Anyway it's actually been fun, I use our ham radio repeaters phone patch when I need to make a call on the road, something that I haven't used in years. Funny story it was having issues and I brought it us at the last club meeting and half the people didn't even know we still had one!

[@Winters_Folly]

That's a placebo.​@@likesbikes77

[@m2003h]

The Resto Mod crowd has warned Us for years here in California

[@AcuraLvR82]

The Resto Mod crowd does have valid points. But they dont know just how resourceful the ecu modification community is these days.

[@stevescuba1978]

​@@AcuraLvR82yeah, but I'm a car guy, I don't want to learn to code to hot rod a car

[@joshuaanothereraseddad]

If you're actually a critical thinker and can do some basic research on the interweb you'll find techless vehicles up to around 2012. Not that difficult.

[@DoubleDown310]

Californians are a joke. You guys forfeited any rights you had a long time ago.

[@k3iler05]

@@joshuaanothereraseddadwhats a good one you would recommend

[@madeirafonseca6383]

Your insurance co. doesn't need your car to rat on you; your cell phone co. willingly sells your information to them. Your phone knows how fast you're going, where you are, and how off pitch you are when you're singing along with the radio.

[@martinlebreton6391]

They dont know if you are driving and what car

[@paul41to45]

@@martinlebreton6391 they know speed from GPS data, type of car only if the phone connects to car data

[@falcorthewonderdog2758]

Nonsense

[@crazysquirrel9425]

Lucky me. My vehicle cannot be connected and I haven't had a cell phone in YEARS.

[@robert5]

Keep location turned OFF on your phone.

[@MattV-p2p]

Im in the process of setting a 1965 Chevrolet C10 longbed cab and bed on a 1999 Suburban 4x4 chassis. I've been at it for two weeks. Both vehicles cost me less than 6k. No big motor, no billet parts, no slick wheels, lowering kit, high dollar paint, airbags, etc. Just a direct swap. Cheap, easy and fun to do. To have a rock solid small block chevy ck daily driver. This new big brother shit is for the birds.

[@lessgrep]

Its a gradual process, it really all goes to a point where regular citizen won't be able to _own_ a vehicle. Thats their goal.

[@davidhogansrevenge4604]

You will own nothing & you will be happy.

[@kenwood7095]

Yes Yes Yes and know one ever talks about it.

[@quincywilliams9860]

Take it up with BlackRock.

[@Original22]

Not if we all give up our citizenships 😂

[@WayneAdams-fv3tm]

​@@Original22that won't save you. Hahaha

[@forgingluck]

F the lack of privacy this dystopian future has

[@WanderingRobotStudio]

Weird how our Supreme Court ruled we don’t have a right to privacy.

[@douglasbullet6456]

It's times like this that I'm glad that I live in what Trump would call a shithole country

[@volvomoneygang1178]

​@@WanderingRobotStudionothing weird bout the ruling class wanting to stomp us to perpetual serfdom. They're doing what they have always done to somebody. Control freaks that do not care about the prosperity of the people.

[@m2003h]

@@forgingluck Dave Mustain was correct

[@tommak6516]

Did you ever consider your life is so boring and insignificant that nobody, including the government, cares about where you go or what you do.

[@byroncummings2952]

Pre-computer controlled classic cars are going to skyrocket in price in the coming years when OBD III comes out.

[@charlebrownga]

They will force them to be destroyed. They will simply stop making spare parts for older cars and make insurance companies force there prices to skyrocket to the point where cars can't be covered on the road.the world economic forum says they want 80 percent of gas vehicles off the road by 2035.

[@MunchinMaQuchy]

It’s funny you think you will be allowed to drive those. They will be flat out made illegal or you will pay a massive environmental tax. I don’t agree with it but it’s what is going to happen.

[@ickster23]

Until the make it illegal to plate and insure older cars Japan has been doing this for decades and some European countries are intruding it.

[@user-jc1hm3pv6i]

Classícs r already high. Old class a trucks can't be regístered on the west coast any more. Dec 2024

[@nated939]

take any car you like, strip te computers and install a stand alone unit that can't call home. or swap the entire drive train with one that does not require computers. If your state requires emission testing.....move

[@djenning90]

As a hacker-minded person, I will want to find out how to disable OB3 on a new vehicle, even if it means reverse engineering the firmware and making modifications that turn off all surveillance and behavioral guardrails. I’m quite sure there will be a black market for services that liberate monitored or brushed cars.

[@sellickusa]

Ok, well crack the encryption on the Jeep Gladiator GPEC5 computer first

[@David-jt9nt]

@@sellickusa done, ya the encryption on the GPEC5 has been cracked for a bit now the issue is that it uses e-fuses and 3-way handshakes and non-volatile to volatile memory handshakes so that if any computer accesses it and has the ability to tune and doesn't give it the right handshake code it pops the e-fuse and you need a new computer bc it also converts all the non-volatile memory to volatile memory the handshake code is the only thing we haven't figured out how it is generated yet because each factory uses a different handshake protocol for the system flash and that code is VIN-linked, now 1 or 2 people have figured out a handshake code for their personal jeeps but bc its VIN linked we dont have enough points of reference to create a handshake code generator

[@christopherswanson1628]

I'd probably have the vehicle rewired. Scrap the computers, put a Holley module in, and make all the windows and locks relay controlled.

[@DarenMiller-qj7bu]

It sounds like we need a car company that's cheap, basic, and doesn't give a single fk about right to repair. You could help us code the system so the other end thinks it's talking to a perfect vehicle, when in reality it's just a black box attached to nothing except the battery.

[@nicholaslafferty3928]

Very awesome to see people like yourself speaking practically and in a level-headed way on this topic.

[@mr_ice117]

My car is from the early 2000s, im keeping as long as I can.... the most advanced thing on it is a simple 50 dollar aftermarket radio that doesn't even have Bluetooth and I like to keep it that way. These 3 letter government agencies and auto manufacturers can shove it

[@Support_Ad_Blocker]

I bet your radio plays CDs too (like mine does!).

[@bryede]

@@Support_Ad_Blocker The OGs can still play cassettes!

[@Support_Ad_Blocker]

@@bryede My 98 came with a cassette player, but I never liked the sound of "hiss" so I upgraded to CDs. Can't do that now. You have to pay for crappy streaming. I'll keep my 98 Tacoma until I die.

[@ickster23]

They will start making it illegal to plate and insure vehicles over a certain age. They are starting to do this in Europe. Japan has had it for decades.

[@wigletron2846]

​@@ickster23they're already attempting this in California. They have already banned semi trucks past a certain age.

[@bezenhappync]

My truck is 24 years old. 138,000 miles no fancy tech and best of all it's not a snitch.

[@Wageslave645]

What will likely happen is early OBD3 vehicles will get refit with compatible OBD2 computers. After a few model year refreshes, there will either be a high popularity commercial solution for the tuner crowd to make the power train independent of the body control systems or the more creative of us will hybridize their computer setup with an older computer that will do the actual work with enough of the original PCM intact to keep the cluster working. Or go for the simple solution and talk with your wallet and refuse to buy new vehicles with this tech installed.

[@Arcella1981]

I was thinking this exact thing, like there are aftermarket ECU's I think that you can put in your car, but I think you would really have to know what you are doing to set it up, for example the CarWizard had a old Ferrari that he had Jerad from the Questionable garage put in an after market ECU

[@turkeyboyjh1]

Carburetor and a micro squirt to control timing and done

[@GrandePunto8V]

@@turkeyboyjh1 Nothing "done", because of emissions. You will fail obligatory inspection.

[@2000freefuel]

Just disconnect the Antennas. foil tape over the GPS

[@prettyboyjeremy]

I think OB3 will fail simply because newer cars are too expensive. People are daily driving cars from '07 I saw a '04 Neon that had historic tags. The car is over 20 it qualifies

[@Alex090]

"You shall own nothing, und be happy" - World Economic Forums

[@rwright3395]

F T M Fs

[@Tubes12AX7k]

Your phone and apps are already doing this, and if you have Location Services turned on, on your phone, and agreed to sharing your data, you've basically agreed to share this info with your insurer. Your phone also knows if you looked at it, at a red light. It knows how fast you went, how quickly you brake. It probably also knows if you spent the night at someone else's house, let alone where you are at that moment. And it probably can tell who you associate with based on the other peoples' phones in close proximity to yours.

[@ssjlkrillin]

Easy solution: a mobile phone should be "for emergency use only." Do not upload your entire existence onto the thing. It's a phone. I know it's easier said than done with today's two-part authentication protocols and virtually everything else that demands you have this thing constantly at your side, but it can be done. Your life can be simplified; you just have to work even harder at it (ironic, isn't it?)

[@Bailey-k2j]

I worked on F-22s in the air force. They burn through 2800 gallons of fuel in under 90 minutes. If they take off in after burner into a max climb, then its about 30 minutes.

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

And they run those jets just to burn fuel for annual budget acquisitions. Let's talk about Elon and his rockets, too.

[@originallonewolf6643]

How??? it don't hold that much what's the refuel rate

[@Support_Ad_Blocker]

Our clown show military is the largest contributor to greenhouse gases.

[@Tubes12AX7k]

That's about half of a tanker truck trailer.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

@@stayinganonymous.3172 Rockets aren't even a rounding error in the overall emissions numbers. You want to address emissions, you need to look at China and India first, any other industrializing third world country second, and then the shipping industry. On top of that, chemically-powered rockets are the only game in town when it comes to putting a payload into space. For better or worse, they aren't going away any time soon.

[@The0utmode]

This is why I like classic cars and only own classic cars no computers period.

[@Drewcardello]

I call my 2004 a classic looking at the new ones lol

[@OldSchoolZ-wy2yx]

My 1988 Cavalier Z24 is still on its original engine and transmission after 35 years, summer daily. 1993 Cavalier RS, scrapyard salvaged, rest-of-year daily. 1995 Cutlass Supreme, soon-to-be 3900 V6 swapped. I despise modern cars, they're all cheap garb passed as quality, most will experience major mechanical failures even after being babied around the time the warranty expires.

[@jonb1815]

they’ll just throw you in jail for driving your classic car if they feel like it

[@Dowlphin]

No computers because privacy so just a smartphone? 😏 Or watching this on a friend's computer because that's totally different?

[@The0utmode]

@@Dowlphin Computers are great I just don't want them on my car.

[@bigscrewg]

Time to go Cuban on our old cars

[@1DwtEaUn]

Find a good set of Studebaker plans/drawings and some machine tools ...

[@bigscrewg]

@1DwtEaUn Studebaker bought right outta the parts bin like AMC did. I know because I've had a couple

[@alexanderhill1429]

I saw people buy new GM vehicles that have the internet in their cars. Even the ones that didn't pay for the internet service in their vehicle was still giving the insurance companies data on how they were driving. They didn't even know this was happening until their insurance bills skyrocketed. And these people haven't had a traffic violation or accident in years if at all.

[@Staetik]

This was fascinating and reminded me of why I won't touch a car manufactured after 2012. I will live car life like in Cuba before owning a "modern" car.

[@kurtvanluven9351]

Plus that means optional boat conversion option!

[@beans9647]

Everyone is mentioning keeping older cars running, which I wholeheartedly agree with, but also consider that motorcycles do not have any completely standardized diagnostic systems like cars do.

[@2000freefuel]

Give it time, the legal wonks will demand it soon enough.

[@Legotruck82]

most modern bike ECU's store the last 30-60 seconds before a crash, the data can be retrieved post incident. My 2021 Kawasaki mentions it in the owners manual, including speed data, braking etc

[@2000freefuel]

@@Legotruck82 Laughs in 1989 Harley Davidson.

[@existinginaspace8347]

Lots of people wouldn't be able to ride a motorbike or feel "safe" on one. I know I sure as shit wouldn't want to drive one to work all the time. Too damn cold out for that.

[@rustymustard7798]

I do both, just rebuilt my '93 bike with high compression piston and a bunch of other mods. I just got another bike with points ignition. I'm working on an older OBD2 van with a bent valve, and i've got a couple of more vintage Honda Trail bikes to get going for my neighbors to ride. Soon i plan to build both a 'car' (more like a street legal crosskart) and a motorcycle from scratch. I also do bicycles, ebikes, and gas engine bicycles too.

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

I've already been a victim to this. I bought a brand new 2021 Chevy Spark at the age of 22. By next year my rates spiked up to $500 a month, at which point I was forced to sell it. Apparently, GM was selling driving data collected from their car to my insurance company. I have vowed to NEVER buy another GM vehicle or anything from after 2020. If pre 2020 cars become impossible to own, I'm getting a bicycle.

[@pigletshut]

Don't wait. Get your bicycle now.

[@jks3849]

Or a 🐎 & buggy

[@googleuser868]

​@@pigletshutSold 2 during the Covid shortage.

[@ghoulbuster1]

You should never buy GM, the company makes Chinese level garbage.

[@NJ_Galactic]

Dude just walk everywhere

[@sccarguy8242]

I agree with almost everything… except squated trucks, they were dangerous (keeping in mind we have zero state inspection in SC)… their headlights, and steering angles, plus just poor visibility made them a huge issue to other drivers.

[@DEInTheGarage]

I am sure you are correct... easy for me to say from Jersey. If the truck is squatting up here that boy is moving weight from Newark to Philly. Haha

[@likesbikes77]

They are illegal here in IL This is from one of the laws - "to cause the horizontal line from the front to the rear bumper to vary over 3 inches in height when measured from a level surface"

[@NordicDan]

Plus they look like a dog who's got a case of worms.

[@nbomb2474]

Not to mention in an accident with a sedan, the sedan is going under the engine.

[@NordicDan]

@@sccarguy8242 not to mention looking like a dog with a bad case of worms

[@stepperdox2762]

People already aren't buying the new vehicles, and the corporate overlords have brain eating amoebas if they think I'm about to subscribe to a service that's already built into my vehicle

[@estebanhenriquez3491]

I recently bought a 1990 4Runner because of many of the reasons you outlined in this video. Easy to fix, no surveillance, and reliability. My parents questioned why I wanted such an old car, and I uttered some of the same things you did to them. Also, I’ve realized that, with the integration of technology in every aspect of our lives, privacy has become a myth. There’s simply no such thing!

[@kurtvanluven9351]

Old? Yours is newer than my shit!

[@ZoMcYo]

Unplugged my satellite antenna. Dont use sat radio or the navigation. I get a constant reminder that the truck needs to go to the dealer. And a nanny voice reminds me of the speed limit (its wrong) 2014 dodge. This tech is obnoxious. Why cant I get a base model with no frills and the big motor? Keep the tech.

[@07wrxtr1]

Wait til your own body is connected to the internet. Blackrock is funding an entire platform here in Utah for just that. Transhumanism incoming

[@N4CR]

Engine swap and run standalone ECU. It's not hard. You just don't want to deal with it.

[@oldschoollion]

My dash a few months ago on a 45 mph road said 80 mph. I'm sure if swapped it would ding me to death.

[@existinginaspace8347]

Because the government wants more control and most of that tech is mandated.

[@hujiklo9205]

​@@N4CRlmao yeah, everyone should just engine swap if they don't want to be violated by capitalists

[@codifrancisco4351]

10 years ago, mit or Harvard computer science students hack a vehicle and control the vehicle wireless made it accelerate stop and turn

[@hesmycat]

Electronically controlled throttle body is just why

[@1DwtEaUn]

@@hesmycat you'd be surprised how much throttle by wire has taken off

[@jasonstclair6293]

I highly doubt there is an engine built today that is not drive by wire other than small carbureted engines.

[@Dannysoutherner]

I saw that on tv. Wonder if when they can hack someones car and turn it into a guided missile.

[@AcuraLvR82]

By Harvard computer science student you actually mean some 20 year old kid working in dad's garage. That is the more likely scenario.

[@ES-gy1ti]

Right to the repair is critical to free market capitalism

[@chriswidener5554]

Free market capitalism died a long time ago

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

Unfortunately we are not capitalist and haven’t been for 20 years. We are already living in a socialist style economy. Don’t let leftist tell you we are living in end stage capitalism. Because we are far from capitalism at this point

[@Greg-d1b]

Tell that to John Deere dealers.

[@Edgeworthian]

I remember when I got my first inspection license in Mass in 2000, the guys from the state doing the class were talking about how the EPA wanted to implement OBD3 to force drivers to fix emissions problems or face forced limp home modes and remote no starts to make people fix emissions problems. This was only 4 years after the implementation to OBD2.

[@LastExile1989]

Nobody is saying they have too... Yea out loud. You will own nothing and be happy.

[@crazysquirrel9425]

If I buy it I OWN it.

[@miket5506]

@@crazysquirrel9425100% including the computer and your copy of the software it’s running. It’s yours.

[@LastExile1989]

@@crazysquirrel9425 No... Not entirely true. If you have to pay monthly for something you don't own it. If it is reliant on software updates, you don't own it. You can buy a house. But are forced to pay into water gas electricity and waste disposal. That's questionable. Not to mention property tax. Planed obsolescence, from technology. Mechanical objects. Why do you think they're are artificially inflating prices. Which was C.-19s main objective. The average vehicle is 40k. I remember new base model cars in like 2010 being under 20k. It's just slow enough of a creep that people don't notice. It's perfect.

[@crazysquirrel9425]

@@LastExile1989 I bought the software license so it is mine to use. I do not need software updates as people imply. They are optional for me. No, not forced to pay for water, sewage. nor waste disposal. Depends on where one lives. Gas - I could make my own if necessary. Electricity - solar. Property taxes are pretty easy to get out of - just convert your property into a foreign nation. No more property taxes, no permits needed, nothing. If a car, I can convert that too so no license, registration, etc needed either. No control over planned obsolescence unfortunately but there are way around that with careful planning. The more we rely on tech the more vulnerable we become. The power of UCC 1-308 and Non Assumpsit comes to mind.

[@annriley4534]

Oh and after listening to this awesome info, the book 1984 comes to mind..great video!❤

[@BrettShadow]

Insurance rates are already high. Could you imagine what would happen if somebody let about 20 million uninsured motorists do whatever they want? Oh.... wait

[@lastfm4477]

You must live in California and see all the uninsured Illegals doing DoorDash.

[@joeldoxtator9804]

I see a lot of Holly ECU swaps in new cars futures.

[@sinistersilverado965]

this will be a felony

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

They will lobby (bribe) to ensure such things are illegal and enforced.

[@joeldoxtator9804]

@@sinistersilverado965 I really don't see that, you would first have to make every OBD2 car illegal.

[@arthercasillas2755]

Hp Tuners has a standalone System it’s pricey.

[@jasonstclair6293]

@@joeldoxtator9804 Technically all they would have to do is make it illegal to modify the ECU which for the most part it already is.

[@STARFLEETC0MMAND]

Most Will Reject Not Having The Option Of DIY Repairs. Just Don't Buy From Companies Implementing These Schemes. Some Companies Need To Go Bankrupt For This 🐂 💩.

[@johnratfink7343]

The gubmint will just bail them out again. And in return, more authoritarian laws will be passed and the evil corporations will happily jump to it.

[@nomadictow3011]

The companies like Ford who are doing this are being funded by the federal gov, at this point I think the fed is the one pushing Ford to make these anti privacy products, I don't think Ford could survive without federal funding and there doing what the fed wants because of that

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

Most already embrace this with open arms and just have a shop repair their car

[@H33t3Speaks]

I know computers very, very well. I also know ICE theory in my sleep. There will always be ways to give a motor what it needs without some complicated piece of software. It’s just: Air, Fuel, Compression, Timing and Spark. We can carb modern engines, it’d just be insane.

[@aygwm]

We are cooked, friends. Enjoy what you have while you got it

[@imamonkey431]

No, people need to learn how to make their own things. Buy the materials and the tools not the finished product.

[@johnratfink7343]

​@@imamonkey431its not going to work. Covid showed them that the public will burden any restriction, any trespass on freedom, just as long as you morally browbeat them. "Its the LAW!" The sheep march in line.

[@johnratfink7343]

Lol so many deleted comments.

[@stingy9110]

@@johnratfink7343jewtube moment

[@ghoulbuster1]

Luigi

[@malex2200]

This makes me think that more people will be restoring older vehicles.

[@beitie]

They are making that harder as well. There are a LOT less quality parts available for vehicles than there ever has been.

[@johnratfink7343]

@@malex2200 why do you think they did cash for clunkers?

[@Audiomech]

This is the biggest single issue with all newer vehicles. Even if this stuff is not currently implemented, it's probably all ready to come online on anything after model year 2018 or so, whenever the system decides to take it online. Very good, concise explanation in your video.

[@jasonveldhuis9471]

Fun fact, a 1950s pickup can easily get 20-25 mpg with zero tech. Now we have 8 times the power, less fuel efficiency, comfort that could almost shut a teenaged daughter’s mouth and, we still have to fight tyranny. That’s why I always wear my dirtbike helmet and keep my humer. Good luck out there!!

[@jimalton1564]

Many years ago I swapped a 4 cyl Cummins diesel into my 2000 Dodge Durango, along with a 5 speed manual. It got 28-30mpg with the diesel, and would have been even better if I swapped differential gears, while the 360 got less than half that. It pulled trailers better than the 360 I pulled out. It was easier to work on- which I really never had to do, in 3 years and 30k+ miles all I had to do was fluid and filter changes. I had to sell it because my state (New Hampshire) changed the way it performed emissions inspections, so it would no longer pass. I had to sell it to a buyer in Florida who didn't have emissions inspections. How ironic that the 14mpg 360 would have been legal, but the 30mpg diesel wasn't.

[@dannydinthemountains]

“Bikes and waking just ain’t gonna cut it” my thoughts after watching every one of those walkable utopia city videos

[@googleuser868]

We use to do 30 mile round trips for fun on pedal power but we not in a hurry. Retirement perk.

[@64bitmodels66]

yeah, we need trains and buses too

[@ckherring82]

This has been going on since onstar it's more nefarious then hot rodding. So your throttle body is bad you go buy another... um car is bricked till a dealer programs it. Oh but wait we don't touch a vehicle over 10 years. You as owner decide I'll pay 3k and subscribe to software except it's not available as it's past 10 years. Basically they brick and scrap the car if a failure after 10 years.

[@stayinganonymous.3172]

Good points.

[@jimalton1564]

There are vehicles that require a power window switch (module) get programmed after replacement. There are dozens of "modules" in most newer vehicles. Imagine having to scrap a vehicle because you can't put the passenger window down, which is an inspection requirement in many states, but you can no longer get it from the dealer, or the dealer won't program it because it's past 10 years old. It's bad enough that Toyota no longer offers a replacement frame for my 2005 4Runner, so I'm stuck looking for one from the southwest that isn't rusted.

[@cody-gaming7593]

This world is fucking getting fucked first it’s video games that they get you to buy subscriptions and shit you used to get for grinding the game, now your paying a subscription for some bullshit in a car, ridiculous

[@scipher99]

I'm so glad they make standalone aftermarket ECU's.

[@hueco5002]

“You can’t remove an O2 sensor” - well that depends…I riced out my Saturn ion redline and just went into the software and turned off the error code for the missing sensor after going catless. As long as we can get into the software, it’s all good ;-)

[@AcuraLvR82]

I have both an extensive background in computers and the import tuning segment of car culture. No matter what technology they wish to implement, there will always be security flaws and ways around the things you mention. Also, the nanny state encroaching on cars in general is making lots of people get rid of their newer vehicles in favor of 90s to mid 2000's stuff. Vehicles that are not only more reliable and easier to fix, but wont taddle-tale on you to Lexis Nexis if u go a few mph over the speed limit, or slam your brakes to avoid a deer. On top the fact all this excessive tech in cars is making them extremely unreliable in the long term. Moreover modified car culture is so ingrained in American culture, that it will NEVER go away even if it is driven further underground.

[@shiftmotorsports9803]

My insurance rates went up on my vehicles. I found out Chevy sold my driving information to Lexus Nexus, who then sold my information to my insurance company. The gps modules have since been (easily) removed, but the damage has already been done

[@crazysquirrel9425]

Write NON NEGOTIABLE on any contract you sign and add the copyright symbol after your autograph. If they ignore it then you can sue them to the moon.

[@thystaff742]

@crazysquirrel9425 You still need a notary.

[@77loka]

Very smart speech. Fully agree with you there. I can say that here in ze germany, and especially where I live, in the progressive Berlin, I even get looks of hate when driving my WJ. I belive countries like germany will be first in line for more surveillance and more gov intervention. Its crazy to me how obidiant and "in love" with the gov people here are...

[@2000freefuel]

Have a look into Yuri Bezmenov, he spoke of Ideological subversion, the greatest success was the US ARMY doing it to the German people after the war ended. The process was completed before I was born in the 1970's

[@douwe4549]

Brainwashed.. I live in Amsterdam the Netherlands, the same woke obidient shit going on.

[@ghoulbuster1]

Germany is heavily controlled, they'll need drastic measures to be liberated.

[@MustangMustang-h6u]

Here in the u.s they must love there gov.. knowing there getting screwed over and still do nothing about it 😂 bunch of dumm ass people

[@puddwacker2562]

Tgis is exactly why I drive a 91. As a mechanic of 20yrs. I saw this comming

[@wabbitseason6722]

As a California resident who already has to smog his vehicles, I am already in the market for the pre smog, 70s era vehicles

[@Prepare2Survive]

I prefer older "dumb" cars that don't connect to wifi for "updates", but some parts are harder to get for some old cars and older cars aren't as safe or fuel efficient as newer cars. For me anything newer than 2016 has too much unwanted tech in it like the lane keep assist that won't let you swerve to avoid an accident or object in the road. I also don't like direct injection causing dirty intake valves, plastic valve covers or oil pans, CVT transmissions and small displacement engines with turbos that don't last for as many miles as a naturally aspirated engine and I don't trust the thin zero weight oils. 5w-30 is as thin as I trust. If a car uses an oil that's thinner than 5w-30 I don't want the car.

[@masonreppeto882]

The fuel-guzzling carburetors are the only reason why old cars suck up so much fuel. Newer cars are heavier with bigger engines and actually require more fuel than a 1970's mustang with a 1 barrel vapor carb. Sure they would be slower but older cars are by no means less fuel efficient.

[@skatingsam96]

Maybe older cars are less safe, but they can definitely be more fuel efficient. Fuel efficiency peaked in the 90s. Look in that era if you want fuel efficiency. A lot of the 90s hatchback got between 40 and 60 mpg

[@Dannysoutherner]

Older cars are safer. They are not beer cans. All the tech makes drivers feel invincible then they wreck. Older cars make drivers more cautious and safer. Their bodies are the air bag.

[@Prepare2Survive]

@@Dannysoutherner Look up the video titled NEW CAR VS OLD CAR CRASH TEST in it you'll see several new cars crash into old cars and you'll see how the old heavy, thick steel cars actually do put literally head to head with a newer car. The video was uploaded 4 months ago and it currently has 1.2 million views. The channel name is K1CarTV. Please report back here and tell me which old cars do you think did better. Thanks

[@skatingsam96]

@Dannysoutherner ain't that the truth

[@marksr49341]

I drive an 08 Silverado without on-star, this will forever be the newest vehicle I will ever own. I am currently in the process of building my next daily driver. 1953 Chrysler New Yorker with a mid 70's SBC powertrain. when ready the truck will be used as little as possible

[@Harold_Callahan]

I'm so glad I was able to get GPS and wide band cell jammers before they cracked down on selling them. Yeah you can still buy them, but only if you are guberment or some "authorized" entity.

[@Etrikkin]

When i was in the military (COMMS). We were learning about vbid/drones and how they work. We have a demonstration and watched guys take over all kinds of electronics. With a device about the size of an Ipad. This was back in 2010. He did car, weapon systems, basically anything that wasn't running on crypto. I can only imagine what they have now. Edit: All civilian electronics must yield to outside interference....look it up.

[@blackrifle6736]

*Yep. Part 15 FCC regs.*

[@mattschamel6550]

You just earned a like, a sub AND a share. Top notch my guy. Shout it from the rooftops!

[@a3970010]

In my opinion, the fix for this problem is simple. Own an OBD2 or older vehicle. Beyond that make sure they're 15 years or older. I simply refuse to buy a newer car due to the over pricing and this concept of monitoring the drivers driving habits. This is where the abiliy to build and maintain our own vehicles is paramount.

[@GuiltyPleasures]

OBD3 is here even if not by name. All OBD3 does is standardize what the industry has already begun to do already. What you drive is closer to a phone than a car you remember if you were born before 1995: It's a computer on wheels where you're a semi-active participant rather than a driver.

[@vonhellsing6406]

The tighter they squeeze, the automotive hacker will rise. No matter what happens, the hackers will find a way. It takes a scumbag to catch a scumbag.

[@mortkb]

You are spot on with this - the sound of inevitability. What is even scarier is they might even go so far as to mandate those little gizmos insurance companies use try to "help" you to "reduce your rate". These trackers are already out there for years and collect data and send it over cellular networks. Many fleet companies are already using them. Ever notice a work van from a large company putting along in the slow lane? That is so the driver doesn't get fired. So your OBD2 vehicles are not safe from this either.

[@brianhoefer7148]

This video details all of the reasons why my 2014 vehicle will forever be the youngest in my collection.

[@TheOmegaDMM]

Two businesses need to become a bigger thing: 1. Vehicle restoration 2. New Brand of car maker, but falls back to Old'en day designs. Lets make simple vehicles again. Make the parts inter-swapable with any produced body, allow owners to be able to work on them again.

[@existinginaspace8347]

The later won't happen. The government mandates all that shitty tech in New cars. 90% of dumbass screens in cars are only in there because something like backup cameras are mandatory on all new passenger cars and trucks sold in the United States

[@modarkthemauler]

Kind of like Framework has done with making laptops modular and repairable.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

This will never happen, except for small companies building cars for enthusiasts, because any company that makes a large number of cars has to meet modern safety and emissions regulations, which requires all of that technology.

[@TheOmegaDMM]

@@modarkthemauler exactly

[@chuckfarley567]

No frills basic Toyota F40J.... basic anywhere transportation..roll up windows....

[@ecchioni]

Keeping my 16 year old BMW for as long as I can. If I change it it'll be a 40 year old BMW.

[@kjhnsn7296]

Yup. Mine is fully loaded and no subscription fees 😂😂😂

[@throwawaypt2throwawaypt2-xp8nx]

it will be illegal to own old cars

[@existinginaspace8347]

We need quality replacement parts for these older cars, and not just the popular models. If someone wants to drive their 1996 Plymouth Breeze they should be able to buy all the parts needed to repair it. With a minimal amount of Chinese plastic. The only way we're saving and keeping these older cars is by making good parts for ALL models.

[@cerealbucketcoaster]

noone wants to drive a plymouth breeze... 🤣

[@johnratfink7343]

@@existinginaspace8347 3d printing will be the answer

[@johnratfink7343]

@@existinginaspace8347 3d printing

[@christianvoluntaristsurvival]

@@cerealbucketcoaster i wish i had my 91 dodge shadow back.

[@Tyler-nh6oy]

No inspections/emissions in WA if its older than 10 years (depending on county) :) we have some of the most ridiculous dailies anywhere because almost none of the vehicle regulations are enforced by inspection

[@wm5994]

OBD3 deze nutz. I drive a 1990, 1983 and a 1981.

[@LowEndPCGamer100]

you wont be much longer, i can see cars built before a certain year being totally illegal to own in the very near future.

[@skygirl341]

They are unfortunate dilemma with that is eventually they’re gonna start banning or preventing you from being able to even get insurance on older cars. That is the Catch-22. Yes you have a really well running older car but eventually they’re gonna be like oh we are cars too old and it’s not compliant with our specs so you have to get rid of it otherwise You can’t drive it anyway.

[@darthdaddy6983]

That’s Super cool buddy , I’ve got an 80 83 90 & 94

[@MunchinMaQuchy]

@@skygirl341what about company’s like hagerty who insure classics. I think that industry is gonna boom under this. Unless the government gets involved.

[@coleenteabo7033]

While I am against government overreach, I live in SC. The squatted truck ban is a good thing. The issue was safety. I believe two people have been killed because the driver couldn't see the car in front of them. People in motorsports often complain about dumb safety rules. The head of the AHRA stated almost all of these rules have been written in blood. So, enjoy your day 😊

[@shmavitz]

Here's the thing - your mobile phone that you are most likely watching this video on, can already do this and is spying on you constantly, in and out of your vehicle 24/7.

[@David-jt9nt]

bold of you to think i have my phone turned on in my truck (i have also stripped out all but the FM antenna), and my phone still has a removable battery and I just keep modding the OS to keep it up to date I keep my tech just modern enough AT HOME and on the go I use paper and/or CDs

[@shmavitz]

@David-jt9nt good for you! I'd wager you are amongst a pretty small minority of people who have the wherewithal to do such things. A vast majority of people now go about their lives with either an unmodified apple or android device with permanent batteries strapped to them 24/7 like a bodily appendage.

[@n085fs]

I'm sticking with my 1984 car forever. And the more they push, the more I'll resist. In fact, this is making me want to install a rack in it.

[@schrodingersmechanic7622]

Funny thing about transceivers and trackers... they don't work so well when they're unplugged.

[@NordicDan]

All the more reason to make my 1988 Toyota last as long as humanly possible

[@tonymcclendon-hobbytime7727]

anything we have to have fun is being regulated.

[@vaguepastelle]

We also have a constitutional right to pursue happiness and their majorly screwing with that

[@macsloan58]

Finally starting to get the views that the channel deserves. One of the best on KZbin.

[@kingduckford]

I run several Fords from the 1980's, and the OBDI ECV-IV system wasn't as simple as some may think. The o2 sensor and EGR systems aren't merely for emissions, but rather are part of the way the ECM runs the motor, and problems or poor deletions of both can cause running issues. Once you get into SEFI those sensors aren't merely there for emissions, you have a complicated enough system that it requires a lot of information to run it correctly.

[@Nzaf001]

This shit is Orwellian. Great video. This is why I keep my old cars running newest car I own is from 2003.

[@6trailtiger9]

The nanny state is taking the wheel.

[@gatesj777]

“Red Barchetta” by Rush. Always thought it was a song based on a crazy sci-fi idea of the future… which it kind of was. But here we are. Stuff like this always reminds me of this song…

[@1ST3N]

Rush is my favorite band. I immediately thought about this song. Which by the way is based on short story by Richard Foster in 1973 "A Nice Morning Drive". Published in the November 1973 Issue of Road and Track. It's getting scary out here. One of my favorite songs, based in a dystopian future is coming true.

[@devilsoffspring5519]

That's a cool ass song :)

[@gatesj777]

@@1ST3N interesting the info about what it’s based on. I always assumed it was something like that.

[@Dave__f]

9:50 exactly. The cops did the same thing with tinted windows that came from the factory then the local cops give tickets to you for fun for something the factory put on knowing we would have this problem/fines. Blamed it on drive by shootings in los Angeles in the late 80s.

[@robertmaxwell9252]

This is absolutely here, whether we want to believe it or not. I checked insurance companies for lower rates and every single one of them wanted me to plug in their spy ware technology to monitor my driving. I said hell no. But it's here. Progressive snapshot and the like.

[@JamesHolbrook-eh5sp]

I remember reading discussions in Car Craft or Hot Rod back in the late 90s about the coming introduction of OBD2 . The government wanted it to include vehicle tracking. Does anyone what happened with this? Google seems to have gone very quiet on the subject. As for me, i want nothing more than the OBD that was on my 94 Dakota, thanks.

[@PURENT]

Technology cost too much for it. You'd have a GPS tracker connecting to a GPS satellite, then a telephone box in your car that would send the GPS coordinates over. All of that cost over a thousand dollars. Now the cheapest smartphone from 10 years ago will do the entire job.

[@Ultrajamz]

Actually I think even in the case or lease or loan, they can solve for it via requiring a certain level of insurance, so even in those cases it is not needed.

[@Trueno1600]

Even OBD2 can snitch on you... I remember reading a column back in the day in Sport Compact Car magazine, where a guy in like a 1998 Trans Am got convicted of manslaughter when he sped in a residential area and t-boned someone backing out of their driveway, killing the person instantly. He said he was doing the speed limit and that the car backed out of nowhere. The forensics team picked up the ECU from his car as evindence for the case, and what the guy didn't know was that GM pretty much implemented a "black box" type function in their ECUs that records the last seconds of data in a collision. It was found that the guy was doing like 100mph, full throttle and never touched the brakes. IIRC, I think the article ended by saying the guy wanted to appeal because GM never disclosed to him that it had such a feature when he bought the car... I don't know how that case concluded!

[@nicholascortez728]

I mean doing 100 in a residential neighborhood resulting in a fatal crash you kinda get what you deserve and I'm not inclined to feel sorry for you

[@UnitSe7en]

Post-event forensics are not the same thing as live data collection including voice, and remote control.

[@UseYourIllusions78]

I still have my 93 Firebird Formula,1 st yr of the 4th gens an it's a ob1 , they didn't start ob2 for Camaro/Firebird till 94 .. I heard back in the day when ob2 came out they had stuff like that in it

[@markb9959]

I REALLY hate to say this, but you are spot on! I already feel like property 😢. But THANK YOU for putting it on the record, because you're right about the consequences of people "rolling over". And if they do, the next thing they'll hear is "heel" and be wearing a very short leash!

[@arcflash2053]

Custom ECUs and PMBs/PCBs are going to be huge.

[@FreeLovingAmerican]

All you need is fuel, spark, compression. Ripping everything out and replacing empty holes with 3d printed parts is coming soon.

[@AcuraLvR82]

Agreed. People in other countries are already starting to engineer and produce modern obd1 ecus for different vehicles.

[@johnratfink7343]

They will make this illegal.

[@FreeLovingAmerican]

@@johnratfink7343 Well of course they will. What's one more stupid tyrannical oppressive law to break? AT what point do people RESIST instead of pretend they can vote or sue their way out?

[@Zdp433]

Stop buying new vehicles. Buy all the older vehicles and put them on the road. There are millions of older cars sitting around just waiting to be used.

[@jimalton1564]

Have you seen the price of old vehicles now? I live in the rust belt, so buying anything over 10 years old means it's going to be a rusty pile, and the price is going to be about 3x what it's worth. I dream of living in the southwest where I can still get an old vehicle that will last more than 5 more years.

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

The masses don’t care and embrace this stuff with open arms because the masses embrace convenience. Most people buy a car and don’t own it for more than 7 years and buy a new one. And in between just take them to shops for oil changes and small repairs. Working on cars isn’t a convenience nor appeals to the masses