Vortens Vienna vs Kohler Wellworth Waterguard

No surprise here. The trapway is fully glazed in the Vienna and not at all glazed on the Wellworth. These tests are exactly the reason I dislike these pieces of junk. I mean honestly, this Wellworth was outperformed by a freaking Vortens toilet. C'mon Kohler.

[@cooperschwartz318]

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[@charlesrodriguez7984]

Kohler went downhill in the 3.5 era then redeemed themselves in the 1.6/1.28 era.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I think they were really good from 1988 to 1993 but then they dropped

[@r4ls3i60]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations They still made great toilets during the 13.2 LPF/3.5 GPF era. Like all of their FV toilets.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@r4ls3i60 I agree those were amazing.

[@cglplumbingoffical9601]

Wellworth lite and pressure lites of the 90s : heh hem

[@HFTFPlumbingrestorationandmore]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations Exactly, and For some reason Why is my 2022 Glacier bay hesitated 25 ft but not 30 ft and very hard clog on 35 ft? Like WHAT.

[@plumbingstuffinoregon2471]

I really like these Wellworths but I'm definitely disappointed in it. Just goes to show you can't always praise something for being"vintage". The Vortens did about how I expected, very similar to the Lamosas in my house.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

True

[@Supcharged]

The first gen Waterguard has to be the second worst performing wellworth ever only above the wellworth lite.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Definitely. They were a failure, especially considering their competition.

[@Supcharged]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations but I think performance wise the cadet was always better than their contemporary wellworth equivalent every single generation until the 2000s

[@lukegray3169]

Unwellworth waterwasters are the worst vintage toilets i know of!! I freaking hate them

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

The ones from the 1980s seem to be pretty awful but the 70s Waterguards are a little better. I don't trust weak flushing toilets with tiny, unglazed trapways.

[@amtraktrainsherewithtortil4525]

The vortex’s didn’t even try on a washcloth and a grocery bag

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Lol

[@ctvplumbing]

Pftttt that's just sad XDDD

[@tomorrow7988]

The left toilet is good better than the Water guard The water guard is worth it did not flush a Washcloth Because the trash is small on that water guard the toilet on the left is better. thanks For this Show you uploaded! Occ Plumbing and restorations

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I agree and you're welcome!

[@JD8457Toilets]

pretty disappointing how miserably the wellworth failed. the vienna did extremely well especially for a front flusher. not sure what happened with it on the grocery bag and wash cloth test tho.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yeah, these Wellworths are very disappointing

[@HFTFPlumbingrestorationandmore]

How th heck for my Glacier bay struggle on 25 ft and passed 30 ft, why glacier bay why?

[@dmana3172]

That on the right wellworth is exactly what I have now. Will it flush alot of waste very well? Is it any good?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Personally, I haven't used one but this one flat out sucks

[@the_sandiego_gamer]

honestly I would take the wellworth purely because I don't relly like front flushers

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Front flushers never seemed very reliable

[@terletsandstuff6142]

I think the wellworth has a manufactured defect.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I've seen others do that

[@NyxKemo]

The vortens surprised me and the wellworth disappointed me

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

The Wellworth was very disappointing

[@NyxKemo]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations it’s a very very good example of that not all vintage toilets are good performers

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@NyxKemo Exactly

[@Ashuhlee621]

I prefer a struggle for the kohler cuz on the first test 3/10 vortens 9/10

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I was not impressed with the Wellworth

[@alisonchancey6726]

That Kohler toilet to the right flushes awesome and the right is a full pass

[@xx_aubrey_gl_xx8337]

punish the waterguard toilet

[@TMAC242]

I have the vortens in my bathroom

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Cool, is it any good?

[@sonyfan6984]

I love that Vienna but the Waterwaster is terrible

[@britishcarfan9601]

The Vortens wins! Do the Vortens versus a cadet!!!!! That will be interesting!!!!!

[@Liam-vo2qf]

I really like vortens toilets. Its a top tear front flusher

[@britishcarfan9601]

Yeah

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

The Vortens wouldn't stand a chance

[@gusmartin384]

1:09 it didn't even siphon! 😆

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Pretty sad

[@lance2152]

i love the vortens but the waterguard it was ecpected, these ahave tiny trapways

[@ruthosuna7085]

I thought you said you didn't have the 70s or 80s wellworth.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I got rid of three of them but I still have one.

[@erickmorton8085]

Those vortens have a recall on the tank

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Only from 01-01-2011 to 12-31-2011. This one I believe is from the late 2000s so it was not part of the recall.

[@britishcarfan9601]

The Waterguard is better!! You should use some American acid to clean the rim jets in the siphon jet and yeah that’s why I didn’t siphon!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

It's all clear, I've done that numerous times and I can't feel anything in the trapway. When I poke around and scrape in the trapway, no minerals or even crumbs of minerals come out.

[@benwisely5962]

Wow!!!! I guess it uses more water than we think

[@cameraredeye3115]

Doesn't matter if the trapway isn't big enough to carry a simple grocery bag or dish towel. The Vortens Vienna schools the Waterguard Wellworth, and that's a proven fact.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@cameraredeye3115 True

[@toiletfan15julius26]

Vortens vienna outperforms a kohler wellworth waterguard because the waterguard trap is tiny and unglazed but the vienna trap is fully glazed kohler you should be embarrassed that your well known toilet got outperformed by a cheap forgein made builder grade toilet just the first flush on its own because of the poorly marked water line tsk tsk tsk

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

It's especially embarrassing that a foreign-made builder grade toilet using almost half the water can outperform a name brand from 40 years ago.

[@ASF.Plumbing]

That Vortens Vienna is very impressive

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I agree

[@angelacecil707]

Vortens Vienna rating is a B+ Wellworth watergaurd rating is an E+

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I was not impressed with the Kohler

[@darfieldzone5309]

I think a Radcliffe-style trap Wellworth Water Guard (from the mid 80’s to mid 90’s) would be much better than this Wellworth.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I completely agree. I love those.

[@taronjeroneharris1313]

The newer toilet did pretty well, and though I like the height of it, I still feel partial to the 1978 Wellworth, mainly because of its color. 🤎🤣

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I like that color and it definitely matches the age.

[@kohlerwellworth]

5:36 a dog ran across lol. but I was really surprised by that new toilet beating the old wellworth

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

That's Annie. She has a lot of energy. As for the toilet, I'm not surprised because I've had that Wellworth for a year and I know its incapabilities.

[@britishcarfan9601]

Wow! That’s sad about the dog

[@kohlerwellworth]

@@britishcarfan9601 why is it sad?

[@britishcarfan9601]

Ohhh sorry I missed read the comment I thought the dog had a lot of surgery my bad!!!! I rushed reading the comment because I was busy with something else I’m soo dumb

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@britishcarfan9601 ?

[@elevatorsofatl7306]

The WG’s are very overrated and I’d take the vortens any day

[@HFTFPlumbingrestorationandmore]

See if which 2 is Better.

[@HFTFPlumbingrestorationandmore]

Crane Oxford, standard Compton, A colony w a complete trap and Mansfield alto

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

The Compton and Crane Oxford would definitely perform the best

[@HFTFPlumbingrestorationandmore]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations yep and the Siacto