The testimony theme from Ace Attorney 2 is in 27/16. That's my weirdest.
@macawesomebird33835 жыл бұрын
Alex Stilgoe Now that you've said that, I can't get it out of my head that it sounds wrong. It did sort of in the first place, but it's just... off now. Still a great piece of music and a great soundtrack.
@pintavodki5 жыл бұрын
To be frank, I think 27/16 is overcomplicating it. It's basically just alternating time sinatures: 3/16 three times, then 5/16, then 3/16 three times again and 4/16. There's no longer underlying melody or beat, so dividing it like this this is easiest. What a cool tune, tho. So good.
@bassbusterx5 жыл бұрын
Strong one (masked man) for me, 29/16
@want-diversecontent38875 жыл бұрын
Bass Buster X With changing tempo.
@CosmiaNebula4 жыл бұрын
Uh 27 is 3^3 and 16 is 2^2^2 uh oh
@muaddib94335 жыл бұрын
*Breathes in 9/8*
@finalscore29835 жыл бұрын
In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two In two three out two in two out two
@TheHeavyModd5 жыл бұрын
I breathe in 5/4 and 4/4. We're not so different, you and I.
@reillywalker1955 жыл бұрын
9/8 is easy if you treat it as three beats of three eighth notes.
@mookiemorjax5 жыл бұрын
@@finalscore2983 *hyperventilates, flops over*
@brown96715 жыл бұрын
I was hoping this video was about a song in like 47.5/32 or something
@KingsleyIII5 жыл бұрын
Video game composers deserve more love. Sure, the work of the designers and programmers make the game a game, but the composers make the game immersive, setting the tone of the game in a way the designers could never dream.
@Sakis_Husband5 жыл бұрын
Good music can be the absolute saving grace for a game because everyone loves music. Even with mediocre games, good music will continue to make the game memorable years and even decades down the line.
@lajyo5 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@kaldo_kaldo5 жыл бұрын
That's not entirely true. Set any of these pieces to another game in the list. Put Kirby's music over Fire Emblem. Is it immersive now? The designers, developers, and artists are all working together to make a tone, a mood, a feeling. Hell, even if we take Super Mario Bros 1, same music and same art, it would lose a lot of immersiveness if he was instead running around shooting goombas. The music, the sound effects, the art, and even the mechanics all come together in harmony to make a game feel the way it does.
@stuffedcinema73745 жыл бұрын
@@Sakis_Husband sonic 2006 is a good example
@TacComControl5 жыл бұрын
Sound design, whether it be the soundtrack and its use, or foley, can make or break ANY experience, whether it be an immersive cinematic story(Cinematic JRPGs, which play out like stage plays, or western RPGs, which play out like films without a coherent 3-act structure), or just a playful action romp. Great games have great soundtracks for what they're pushing, and great sound design in the foley as well(Much of the Final Fantasy series, Katamari Damacy, all of their effects give the feel of the gameplay experience they're pushing), while a game can be completely ruined by bad sound design(Megaman X6 anyone?). It's RARE to see a game with somewhat iffy sound work or background music manage to still be good. Warship Gunner II has great sound effects, but the repetitive vocals and mismatched music makes for a ridiculously painful experience. In the same way, a Void of sound effects can cause plenty of problems too(Which is a big reason Half Life Deathmatch wasn't nearly as fun as Unreal Tournament, which managed to feel genuinely fast-paced whenever you loaded into a patch, in large part due to the music's time constantly stepping you up through the tempo. Usually. In Halflife, on the other hand, there was no music, no real environmental sound, and effects were WAY too punchy and often a pain on the ears.
@ellie82722 жыл бұрын
The fact that Marx's theme sounds good is a micracle. What an impressive feat of composition
@wolfetteplays8894 Жыл бұрын
That’s because they somehow managed to actually create a catchy melody with a dynamic time signature… it’s kinda fun to compose using weird time signatures, but creating something that’s palatable to general audiences is another story entirely…
@narwaffl Жыл бұрын
@@wolfetteplays8894 Yeah, the melody does really drive this one; it didn't sound confusing to me at all until I watched this and tried to count it
@jamozmynamoz6516 Жыл бұрын
The real miracle is that Strong One somehow doesn't sound like a random hash of notes
@mothwizard30955 жыл бұрын
“Boring old 4/4 time and its stuck up cousin 3/4 time” 2/4: Am I a joke to you?
@rutzou5 жыл бұрын
12/8: laughs in groups of 3
@johncenaplayingstarcraft95805 жыл бұрын
cut time
@Ejeffers-eh2om5 жыл бұрын
6/8 *laughs in marching 3/4*
@heather195155 жыл бұрын
You’ll only ever be half the man your brother 4/4 is
@logurtboi57025 жыл бұрын
2/2: ...wait a minute
@michaelshultz21995 жыл бұрын
That Kirby track didn’t have to go so hard, but it did.
@chocolatechip71374 жыл бұрын
I can’t even imagine trying to learn that on one of my instruments
@grylltheonion4 жыл бұрын
@@chocolatechip7137 It's actually not that hard.
@chocolatechip71374 жыл бұрын
Gryll The Onion shhhhhh let me wallow in self pity
@grylltheonion4 жыл бұрын
@@chocolatechip7137 Lol
@swine134 жыл бұрын
Like you when you fought Toriel. You monster.
@gingerAV5 жыл бұрын
way to absolutely drag every prog fan in the first minute of the video
@DoubleADwarf5 жыл бұрын
We're used to it.
@Chromed395 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah
@8bitMusicTheory5 жыл бұрын
I do it out of love!!!!
@arty48105 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@nefdsnet5 жыл бұрын
Progheads unite!
@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath92753 жыл бұрын
Me who knows nothing about music theory: Yes, these fractions are quite tricky indeed
@gaymerjerry3 жыл бұрын
for simplicity sakes top number is how many beats per measure and bottom number is what fraction of a whole note is the beat so the most common time signature 4/4 literally mean 4 quarter notes per measure there is some more nuance to this like 3/4 and 6/8 despite have the same measure length are read differently but thats the basic understanding
@gonkdroidincarnate42373 жыл бұрын
@@gaymerjerry I understood the first sentence then gave up and started blanking out . I just like funny noise in mario.
@beau6913 жыл бұрын
@@gonkdroidincarnate4237 simply the top number is the number u count to in each measure. in the funny mario song u count to 13 with the bass
@Tea_Noire Жыл бұрын
@gonkdroidincarnate4237 In baby terms, the top number is how many, and the bottom number is of what note (quarter, sixth, eith, etc.). The top note dictates how many notes are in a measure, and the bottom note dictates how "fast" the song is, in a way.
@skld-xm9 ай бұрын
@@Tea_Noire never say baby terms again you sound pretentious
@FamilyJules7X5 жыл бұрын
omg 8-bit music theory face reveal in the first 5 seconds what a blessing
@jhakardballoch29865 жыл бұрын
Check out the livestreams on Adam Neely's channel. You can get a whole load of his face, knowledge and good vibes
@jamesgrey135 жыл бұрын
I got a closer look at 0:17, and I think he looks an awfully lot like Diddy Kong...
@JersAltAccount3 жыл бұрын
I never expected to see a KZbinr I recognize commenting on the video of another KZbinr I watch. I suppose you do make covers of video game music, so it makes sense that you'd watch a channel that discusses music theory in video games.
@SlyHikari033 жыл бұрын
Jules!
@adamngriffin39212 жыл бұрын
he really resembles a drawing of a keyboard
@henrygutierrez32435 жыл бұрын
I'm a simple man. I see Ganondorf, I click. Also, I didn't know you were a drum-playing Diddy Kong at 13.
@Gustavo60465 жыл бұрын
I think what he meant is that he worked at Rare to make the drum sounds for Diddy Kong, when he was 13 years old. Well, not exactly, but something along these lines.
@henrygutierrez32435 жыл бұрын
@@Gustavo6046 I dunno. I think my interpretation in more plausible.
@Splarff5 жыл бұрын
@@Gustavo6046 I didn't think that's what he meant. He really did that or..?
@ysaelperez80275 жыл бұрын
Bongos*
@Splarff5 жыл бұрын
@@ysaelperez8027 bongos are drums :p silly goose.
@thegreatgatsby26354 жыл бұрын
This is what my anxiety sound like 7/8
@mistertea6034 жыл бұрын
3/5 During cats the musical is with broke me: 'MAX YOUR WRONG'
@planktonweed7274 жыл бұрын
lol 7/8 is easy
@mistertea6034 жыл бұрын
@@planktonweed727 really? would you care to demonstrate for the class?
@goldencheeze4 жыл бұрын
Sam Diamond Or in a solo like Rhythm Song which uses 3 2 2 3 2 2
@IndieTheArchivist4 жыл бұрын
7/8 is easy though, and marching band makes it so much fun
@harukaze73884 жыл бұрын
the entire soundtrack of kirby's canvas curse is interesting; due to its theme of "classic kirby songs, corrupted" a lot of them have shifted time signatures, which stand out even more by using a melody the player would already know from previous games how it's supposed to sound normally
@ellie82722 жыл бұрын
Honestly there's a reason nobody ever chooses to listen to that soundtrack, and it's because that decision made the music sound bad
@cocoahere8752 жыл бұрын
@@ellie8272 cool
@knopfir Жыл бұрын
@@ellie8272 L take + drawcia fight/drawcia soul my beloved
@randomguy-tg7ok5 жыл бұрын
Composing Marx's theme: Guy: So what time signature is it? Jun Ishikawa: Yes.
@HalcyonSerenade5 жыл бұрын
"Roll dice for the time signature." "Excuse me??" "With that attitude, roll a d20."
@KickyFut5 жыл бұрын
A D20 for time signature!!!! That explains so much!!😆 These Japanese composers, genius tho they are, are a real headache to me learning these songs by ear.😅
@samuelshepard5 жыл бұрын
Syd barret was an unappreciated gem haha
@offbrandman44535 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna say this and it's gonna sound like I'm underplaying this piece but I'm really not. That piece isn't even comparable to a lot wind ensemble or orchestra music. Last year I play David Holsinger's Homage: three tapestries, and the first movement uses a couple different times signatures in seemingly random orders, but it all sounds very good
@n-Chantreuse5 жыл бұрын
Ishikawa: Wait, what's that? Guy: That is a d30. It's mostly useles- Ishikawa: YOU GLORIOUS INSANE BITCH!
@noahspocket5 жыл бұрын
Dude no way I was one of the guys swapping off on the drums with you at MAGFest a few weeks back! All I remember is you hitting this sick 12/8 lick in the middle of one of a Latin chart. Had no idea you were so big on KZbin. Keep killing it on the kit man it was great to play with you!
@woodfur005 жыл бұрын
++!!
@NimaFoell4 жыл бұрын
666th like
@buttherewasnojanus66375 жыл бұрын
Mother 3 will MAKE you care about time signatures.
@ryanhernandez18775 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed.
@cq_the_kid5 жыл бұрын
I know THAT all too well, I finished a play through of Mother 3 on my channel not to long ago.
@robberofjacks20725 жыл бұрын
Uhhh is there a english rom? Probably not anymore.
@cq_the_kid5 жыл бұрын
Trust me, once that rom was sent out on the internet, it can be found.
@yoggysothy25125 жыл бұрын
The pain...
@ARentz073 жыл бұрын
Breath of the Wild's Hyrule Castle has a pretty interesting mix of 5/4 and 6/4, which probably contributes to the unique "March, but more epic" feel it gives off.
@lunabeekhuizen88582 жыл бұрын
Sorry I'm late but yeah, you're absolutely right. The first time I heard it with those marching footsteps under it, I did need some time to get over the fact their march was impossible lol.
@thekipster6 ай бұрын
I was thinking about this song the entire video
@Kantohammer5 жыл бұрын
My band director (who is also a percussionist) was obsessed with odd-eight measures. We even marched in ⅞ (every 3rd step was long). I’ll never forget our assistant director shouting “Taco Taco Taco Bell” to teach us the rhythm.
@pintavodki5 жыл бұрын
Why was every third step long? Couldn't you just start on the other foot on the strong beat? So for the first measure you start with the right leg, then next measure with the left leg. (Granted, I don't have a clue about marching bands since they're not a thing here where I live.)
@pr1smabnnuy5 жыл бұрын
@@pintavodki My marching band did that with 5/4 but I guess this band director had a specific vision in mind
@Fiona-fk9zo5 жыл бұрын
OMG THAT IS AMAZIMG
@Randomness8235 жыл бұрын
The Taco Bell trick... Actually works. Wow. Using that next time I run into 7/8!!
@R0bilicious5 жыл бұрын
Mikhail Kuznetsov The problem with that is that the next measure would start on an upbeat if you marched with equal steps. It is possible, but then you’d have to get the band used to marching while alternating stepping on all downbeats then all upbeats every measure.
@livvy945 жыл бұрын
Me: _clicks bell_ _sees this thumbnail_ **Masked Man theme intensifies**
@TurtwigX5 жыл бұрын
Mmmm ain't nothing better than a good 29/16 time signature *send help*
@GygasDistruttore5 жыл бұрын
Your show more button is broken. ... Was that intented?
@lukeahandsa5 жыл бұрын
@@TurtwigX Isn't it 71907/40120?
@TurtwigX5 жыл бұрын
@@lukeahandsa Oh, of course
@kyrla4 жыл бұрын
@@lukeahandsa Unfortunately not. It's still 15/6, but with a constantly changing tempo
@reflirt4 жыл бұрын
i dropped my music major at the end of the spring 2019 semester and here i am, fascinated in theory again
@cameronmack79684 жыл бұрын
panic ! why’d you drop it?
@KeWDu4 жыл бұрын
That's why I'm so afraid to drop. Shits hard and my hobbies are more in tune with video games rather than music but... God dammit I want to compose music so badly when I'm older.
@Mureirsa4 жыл бұрын
@@KeWDu get a music teacher and have her/him teach u what she learned at college lol, what a great discount
@KeWDu4 жыл бұрын
@@Mureirsa That's not really how that works. 😅
@reflirt4 жыл бұрын
Cameron Mack i wasn’t there specifically for comp, but for ed. the personalities and drama at my school in the music building wasn’t something i could personally handle. it’s unfortunate- i love music and i wanted to teach and spread my love, but unfortunately it wasn’t for me at the moment.
@zarnox30715 жыл бұрын
The Portal 2 track _You Know Her_ has a 17/16 time signature for part of it, which adds a slight inconsistent delay to the music.
@potatoes1315 жыл бұрын
What?! I always felt something was off but I couldn't quite tell what it was!
@mysteryfish20435 жыл бұрын
Also the song _Halls of Science 4_ has a melody in 7/8 and then the bass in 2/8
@potatoes1315 жыл бұрын
@@mysteryfish2043 that one was very obviously weird, but again I couldn't tell how. How many others are there?
@mysteryfish20435 жыл бұрын
@@potatoes131 The song _Reconstructing More Science_ seems to be changing time signatures constantly with no clear spot for every downbeat. All I know is that the soundtrack to this game is *awesome*
@potatoes1315 жыл бұрын
@@mysteryfish2043 I agree wholeheartedly!
@KopaXTani5 жыл бұрын
What is it with Japanese game composers being musical geniuses?! I love that!
@knightshousegames5 жыл бұрын
I don't even think it's that they're geniuses, moreso that often they have no formal musical training, and/or are more willing and even likely to break the traditional rules of musical composition as a result. A lot of the people we consider legends all grew up in the 70s and were heavily influenced by American Jazz/Funk, and British Prog Rock, genres well known for breaking traditional music composition rules.
@ikagura5 жыл бұрын
@@knightshousegames too bad modern mainstream music aren't all like that
@jeanvictorhajjar5 жыл бұрын
Its because they're good at maths xD
@newdykung67755 жыл бұрын
Well they're ASIAN lol
@ikagura5 жыл бұрын
Tim Follin and Chris Huelsbeck say hi
@mads_in_zero5 жыл бұрын
Dang, no mention of Strong One (Masked Man)? Mother 3, knowing Strong One wasn't hard enough, follows it up with a variant in 29/16 time.
@masicbemester5 жыл бұрын
*71907/40120. Also, I agree. He should've added it
@thehearth87735 жыл бұрын
Technically, it's 28.67676969/16 time. Because of course it is.
@hankpharris25935 жыл бұрын
Sounds fucking disgusting to play
@bhutang5 жыл бұрын
It is not as bad as it sounds. Just take the tuplets from the middle of strong one and speed them up just a touch and you get the masked man variant
@mutantnut5 жыл бұрын
Probably Spoiler reasons
@thattimestampguy4 жыл бұрын
0:00 He is a drumer 1:09 Kingdom Hearts (5/4 Time Signature breaks beat into 3 beats and 2 beats) 3:15 Nino Kuni 2, _Leavetaking_ (gives the sense the music is taking a breathe. C# resolves are beautiful) 4:52 FIre Emblem _Black Fang_ (7/4, 4 and 3, flat 2 ivokes a grim atmosphere) 6:28 _Weapons Factory_ (13/8, 3 snare, (1) Establish a pattern (2) Repeat pattern but Add and subtract a last note) 7:45 Mother 3, _Barriar Trio_ (15/8, tap in rhythm, 15 straight beats of madness) 9:03 Ganondorf Battle Theme (23/16, 3 groups of 3 16th notes followed by a group of 4 16th notes, frantic energy, disorienting) 11:00 Kirby Superstar's _Marx's Theme_ (Constant changing time signature, 5/4 7/4 3/4. Dissonant harmony) 13:13 Ending the video
@Dblup3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@lifeoftrain54192 жыл бұрын
account name checks out
@skwaab Жыл бұрын
Thankyou Mr. KZbin Sparknotes
@LadyPapaMayodora Жыл бұрын
Genuinely wish you would do this to all the videos i watch
@GreenTheem5 жыл бұрын
Another odd time signature is found in Haggstrom, a song in Minecraft. It’s unusual rhythm is broken into two sets of three with a straggler beat, giving a sense of a living breath, pushing the melody forward. All Minecraft songs, as hinted by the composer of all 54 of these, are designed like record albums, having an “A” and “B” side. Most people know the “A” side to each piece, but the second half always waits to pop in as if it were it’s own piece responding to the first tune’s call. In Haggstrom, or more specifically, it’s second half, the time signature stays as 7/4, but is clouded with ambient vocal/flute “gusts”, a variety of dynamic volume dips and swells, and tops it off with an altered main melody paired with sister harmonies. This melody alteration is found in nearly every song from the game and a select few in out-of-game albums. Check out Biome Fest from the Minecraft soundtrack as well for another odd rhythm (haven’t figured it out yet). If you’ve made it this far, happy listening! Love the video!💚
@drewp.weiner57085 жыл бұрын
The Minecraft soundtrack is honestly incredibly underrated. Probably some of the best ambient music ever made
@thatkidyoshi5 жыл бұрын
Ya I have a sound for video games class and did a report on successful musicians. Someone took LoZ. So I chose him and I don't even play that game, I was surprised how good it was and just really neat interesting music. His interview was great too
@ajarofnutella5 жыл бұрын
The song Far off of the second Minecraft album is pretty interesting too. It switches every meter from 9/8 to 7/8. Listen to it and count along with it, it's neat. In my interpretation it kind of reflects the distant, spacey feel of the song, not really quite knowing where to place the beat; either just off or just before where it would land in simple 4/4. Once the backing marimba kicks in it does switch to 4/4 though, lame
@fearlesswolf85935 жыл бұрын
That used to baffle me when I was younger, I used to think it switched back and forth between 3/4 and 4/4, but it might just be 7/4
@strawberrana4 жыл бұрын
*its
@EricLTrombone5 жыл бұрын
I'm neither 13 nor a drummer and these wonky time signatures make my heart happy (that Kirby tune is WILD, really makes you wonder how people think of this stuff).
@nal85035 жыл бұрын
Depends if they're gamers or not. Normal people aren't as exposed to these types of concepts in music so they often react negatively towards it. If you're into this kind of stuff I highly recommend checking out some of the classic prog rock albums, such as Yes (Fragile, Close to the Edge), Genesis (Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound, Nursery Cryme), Emerson Lake and Palmer (ELP, Tarkus). There's also King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard (Flying Microtonal Banana, Polygondwanaland), this is an extremely recent band though (and surprisingly good).
@threenplustwo91055 жыл бұрын
Gamers rise up.
@yeahoh22225 жыл бұрын
Ikr ikr
@browncoat6975 жыл бұрын
@@nal8503 Hey, don't forget Hemispheres by Rush, or if you're willing to dip into metal, basically anything by Opeth. (or Dream Theater but honestly I hate them)
@GustyWizard5 жыл бұрын
@@browncoat697 I'd add on to the metal by throwing meshuggah out there. their whole shtick is that they wanted to make every instrument to be focused on rhythm. Every song is filled with weird looping melodies over strange time signatures. Incredible stuff
@pkmngamer12364 жыл бұрын
Why did you talk about Mother 3's "Strong One" theme and not do the Masked Man version? It is, in terms of 16th notes, 71907/40120
@FirstnameLastname-sb3hj3 жыл бұрын
I think it's better start with the original before touching on the variation.
@TheBlackQueen3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it's just 29/16
@wilh3lmmusic3 жыл бұрын
29/16 with rubato
@Razsteroid3 жыл бұрын
@@wilh3lmmusic Machines do not play rubato, they need to be programmed very precisely, thus the absurd, almost-strictly-theoretical-except-in-this-context-it-really-matters time signature written into the thousands. If I was arranging it for a group of humans though I would only use that as a sort of in-joke after explaining that yeah it's "just" a slurry 29.
@scmtuk36622 жыл бұрын
I believe I was the one that made the comment years ago about the time signature being 71907/40120. And I calculated this, by looking at the _exact_ lengths of each of the notes, and all the different tempo changes they used in the in-game sequence. For example, if there was a bar that consisted of 5 quarter notes at 120 bpm, and then 3 quarter notes that was then played at 180 bpm, I would work it out like this: The 5 quarter notes is just 5 quarter notes. The 3 quarter notes at 180 bpm, would be the equivalent of playing 3 triplet quarter notes at 120 bpm, and therefore, I'd calculate this as being a 7/4 time signature, where the last 2 beats consist of 3 triplet quarter notes.
@TaxerTheTyrant4 жыл бұрын
6:15 "Heart pumping tension during a tough boss fight" *shows boss getting one shot by the player*
@kaistephens26943 жыл бұрын
and its URSULA, to boot
@falluper5 жыл бұрын
A bunch of people pointed out that Mother 3 has a harder and more rhythmically messed-up version of most of its battle songs. The hard version of Strong One, Strong One (Masked Man) cuts out a semiquaver for 29/16 rhythm. Eat your heart out, Ganondorf! Dan Bruno transcribed the whole thing on his site.
@FinnishArsonist5 жыл бұрын
it is actually (28(3394/5015))/16 equals about 28.67676969/16. i can't combo on that.
@Uchuuaoi5 жыл бұрын
LOL ................................. 29/16 rythm, that written down theory has so much to do with music like going to the toilet.
@bhutang5 жыл бұрын
Rubato It's 29/16 but slightly speeds up a bit in the middle.
@UltimaRedFireEskimo5 жыл бұрын
Dance of Eternitys time signature chart will always make me nostalgic
@matthewhearn99105 жыл бұрын
"Odd time signitures" (clicks) (sees Dream Theater footage) All is as it should be.
@Thiago_Alves_Souza4 жыл бұрын
And give me nightmares still lol.
@LongfellowLP5 жыл бұрын
Shoutouts also to the 11/8 tune that plays in Mario Kart 64 after you win a race in GP
@jakeb91885 жыл бұрын
Longfellow this!!!!
@the.seagull.355 жыл бұрын
That just brought back great memories. I love that beat
@CODMarioWarfare5 жыл бұрын
Love the use of a Hammond organ-esque sound in that game too
@synthion5 жыл бұрын
clicked on this video expecting this!!
@montesforeman50795 жыл бұрын
DAMNIT THIS WAS MY COMMENT XD
@emery-gaming4 жыл бұрын
I like how Yoko shows up several times in this video.
@nfrmptbongo94394 жыл бұрын
There's nobody better than Yoko I will fight anybody over this
@hannabooklover3 жыл бұрын
Of course, she is the goddess Yoko shimomura
@reimisugimoto36173 жыл бұрын
Yoko Shimomura and Koji Kondo will have a legendary battle
@tomdriver99682 жыл бұрын
@@reimisugimoto3617 don't forget Nobuo!
@honeybee12565 жыл бұрын
I nearly fainted when I saw that 23/16 time signature.
@JohnJApanovitch4 жыл бұрын
I've learned how to conduct that exact theme. It's not as hard as one would think. It's just a subdivision of 4/4 and 3/4 patterns alternating at half the speed. So it's not terrible, but seeing it on a piece of paper is definitely terrifying.
@girlballsyuri3 жыл бұрын
Then you'd boutta have a seizure when you find out about 71907/40120
@honeybee12563 жыл бұрын
@@girlballsyuri you gotta be yanking my chain. The craziest I’ve ever done 12/4 time (I might be wrong though)
@girlballsyuri3 жыл бұрын
@@honeybee1256 I kid you not So as he said, mother 3's battle system revolves around attacking to the beat of the music, and as the game goes on, so do the "heartbeat" combos, as they're called so in the aforementioned "strong one" in this video, there is a harder version of it for the masked man (one of the main antagonists) that cuts off half a beat at the end of the measure so then you would go to 29/16 time, which is already very crazy, but here's the thing- they don't cut out exactly one-half of a beat, instead cutting little more than a half so then you have to get to a valid time signature which does not occur until 71907/40120
@girlballsyuri3 жыл бұрын
basically the point of it is that the masked man is a cyborg so he does not have a normal heartbeat
@Soundaholic925 жыл бұрын
Saw odd time signature. Never clicked so fast in my life
@sertaysakizoglu55535 жыл бұрын
when your inner prog can't resist
@kaldo_kaldo5 жыл бұрын
13 year old drummer?
@siccbastard45805 жыл бұрын
0:55 Song in the backround: The Dance of Eternity
@lunabeekhuizen88584 жыл бұрын
@@real_PaulAllen HELL YEAH
@thailai32774 жыл бұрын
DREAM THEATER
@crusatyr4 жыл бұрын
Was scrolling down looking for this comment
@jakesnussbuster35654 жыл бұрын
Imagine not knowing that
@Romess13 жыл бұрын
It's the official final boss theme for drummers
@chulobombastic3 жыл бұрын
*_23/16..._* *_The Legend Of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time is a masterpiece and the song of the battle against Gandondorf couldn't be less._* *_A masterpiece today and forever._*
@cinnamonnoir24875 жыл бұрын
I notice that the "5/4 Clave" time signature you talk about is used in a lot of games for boss fights that happen at particularly critical points in the story. The beat is just complicated enough to feel unsettling while still being very easy to understand, and the two stressed notes at the end of each measure make it sound kind of violent. It's a time signature that you can keep a whole piece in consistently and still end up with a dramatic theme that feels like it's going somewhere. P.S. I like how the title of that Fire Emblem song "Softly With Grace" sounds like musical directions, _andante con grazia_ or something like that.
@hyliandoctor5 жыл бұрын
FE Gaiden/Echoes uses it, too, in the basic battle theme. Final Fantasy 8, as well, in the same fashion.
@scottgattie22575 жыл бұрын
Right on. Another perfect example I'm surprised wasn't mentioned in the video was the Ridley battle in Super Metroid. I'd be curious to see what he had to say about the other phrases of that piece other than the main Clave.
@cinnamonnoir24875 жыл бұрын
Oh, yeah, the Ridley theme is a _classic_ example of that beat.
@browncoat6975 жыл бұрын
@@scottgattie2257 Wow, yeah, it's a little odd he didn't mention Vs. Ridley. It's made even more explicit in the way that Vs. Ridley has gradually become a banging metal track over time, transforming it from the original unsettling 16 bit version to the savage prog metal you hear in the Smash Ultimate remix. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHKofmSaj7Sme9E
@mynewaccount23615 жыл бұрын
A completely opposite example is Undertale's Here We Are, ominous but very upbeat. I was hoping he'd mention it Also holy crap I can't believe I forgot about Ridley
@eriklunden52185 жыл бұрын
'Leavetaking' gave me chills. First time I've ever heard it. I distinctly remember falling in love the Hollow Bastion and Ganondorf's theme. Some of my first obsessions with non-standard time!
@MajrokiReGilded3 жыл бұрын
I know I'm super late to reply this but if you never did pick up Ni No Kuni 2 (The game Leavetaking is from) it's very very much so worth it and a fun game full of beautiful scenes and great music.
@juanestebanmauro52803 жыл бұрын
@@MajrokiReGilded if you care to know, Ni No Kuni 3 is in developement. can't wait to hear Joe Hisaishi's compositions for it.
@jdaster645 жыл бұрын
Strong One and Marx's theme were the first two themes I thought of when I saw the title, so I see we're on the same page, ha. Interestingly, I recently discovered the DuckTales Moon theme starts out with several measures of 15/8; it's funny how much your brain'll try to squeeze odd structure into a more regular form if it's _almost_ correct.
@Zantrop645 жыл бұрын
I se I have a fellow of the 64 here
@chimericalical5 жыл бұрын
Marx’s theme was the first thing I thought when I saw this video. Of all the song I know how to play that one is the one I’m most proud of because of how much work it is to wrap your head around what the fuck is going on with it
@gnarlyCollector5 жыл бұрын
marx’s theme and strong one were the exact same things i thought of?
@KairuHakubi5 жыл бұрын
YES. That, and a few other popular game themes, whenever I hum them I'm technically getting them a bit wrong by squeezing the rhythm out to something more regular.
@Red-gw3ju5 жыл бұрын
@@chimericalical Glad to see a bunch of people gravitate immediately to Marx's theme. If you try to physically conduct that song, and the only way it makes sense is if the time signature changes every 2 or 3 bars, so I always suspected that it shifted often.
@TheCrazyDragonLady4 жыл бұрын
Saw this and thought “Marx’s theme better be in here” Saved the best (and weirdest) for last, I see
@Cozmix-75 жыл бұрын
First thing that came to mind the moment I saw the notification on my phone: “Did he just make a video about my boy *Maaaaaarx?”*
@juankgonzalez62305 жыл бұрын
And, indeed
@marselmusic5 жыл бұрын
adam or not?
@archdukebigdogkoopa38215 жыл бұрын
Next thing you know, he might do something similar to either Bowser, the Hive Mind, or Morpho Knight.
@otemachi43175 жыл бұрын
Karl Maaaaaarx
@KuraIthys5 жыл бұрын
I had no idea the Ocarina of Time Ganon fight music was so complex... Quite the thing. Mostly it just sounds frantic and a little chaotic... xD
@Luaporleafcutterant5 жыл бұрын
Chaotic means complex most of the time.
@streeterville7735 жыл бұрын
Reminds me a bit of LttP final boss (probably intentional)
@bucketspree49525 жыл бұрын
it explains why I would randomly miss batting back the spark, I was trying to keep time! I definitely didn't just screw up >.>'
@Allplussomeminus5 жыл бұрын
Odd time signatures can easily create that chaotic feel.
@JeremyGalloway5 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think VGM has a tendency to NOT be 4/4 time signatures far more often than other genres of music.
@Mnnvint5 жыл бұрын
Japanese video game composers yes, but it's not all that common in western video games. All 8-bit Music Theory's examples here were from Japanese composers, and most of them from RPGs (old Japanese platform, arcade and shooter games had plenty of odd signatures too, just listen to Bionic Commando, or even level 2 in Super Mario Bros!). Finding them in western video game music from that time is much rarer. Modern western games do have some (for instance Minecraft, as Aiden pointed out).
@Choinkus5 жыл бұрын
Idk if rhythm game music counts as game music but ICE's song "Pandora's Box" from Deemo has a lot of parts in 11/8. It's really fun to listen to once you get used to it.
@Mnnvint5 жыл бұрын
@@Choinkus Wally Breben's music for the Commodore 64 version of Tetris, a 25-minute electronic epic, has a long 5/4 (or 3 3 2 2) section in the middle. I really recommend it if someone wants to hear great music that's not from Japan ;)
@mynewaccount23615 жыл бұрын
@@Mnnvint Minecraft and Undertale come to mind. But yeah, not many examples.
@mr.nazareth45013 жыл бұрын
Math rock, prog rock, avant jazz? Unless we ain't counting those lol
@arcticbanana665 жыл бұрын
I remember a song we played in school band (I can't remember the name, it was something non-English) which, similar to Marx's Theme, seemed to change at random between 3/4, 4/4, 5/4, 6/4, and 7/4, as well as rapidly changing tempo up and down. It was also seven pages long. It was an absolute bitch to learn, but _so_ much fun to play.
@Lvl62paladin5 жыл бұрын
WARNING: Long rant incoming (TL;DR at the end) Percussion is actually one of the most difficult "instruments" to play. I put "instruments" in quotes because percussionists often have to play a HUGE variety of different percussive instruments, sometimes having to switch between instruments multiple times in the middle of a piece. Think of the amount of effort and dedication required to master one instrument such as the clarinet or the guitar, and imagine having to do that for multiple instruments. Even something as seemingly "easy" as the tambourine can actually be taken to a whole new level with enough practice, separating great percussionists from mediocre ones. Instruments such as the marimba, vibraphone, and xylophone require an incredible amount of precision and dexterity, and the timpani require a good ear for pitch and a solid understanding of music theory. As a percussionist, I've had times where I had to play a segment on chimes, then walk to the glockenspiel and play a few measures, then move to the gong to finish out a piece, all while keeping track of what measure we were on so as not to get lost. It can be stressful. Granted, I would assume that you are most likely in high school, where band directors often chose pieces that are not exceedingly difficult for percussion, and many percussionists in high school are not experienced or passionate enough to master their craft, so I can understand where you're coming from. TL;DR: Percussion gets a lot of flak for being "simple" or "easy", but it is a surprisingly difficult and nuanced section of the ensemble. Many wind players who may be excellent at their own single instrument would still struggle with percussion if they were to try it.
@melancholyrat35185 жыл бұрын
Lvl62paladin omg thank you finally someone understands
@garmtpug5 жыл бұрын
@@Lvl62paladin And the percussion section holds the whole rest of the band/orchestra/group together!
@gagemartin46815 жыл бұрын
Lvl62paladin I’m a percussionist for my high school and my band director was on the Carolina Crown 2005 snare line, he makes sure we have plenty of parts for our pieces, we even have our own percussion ensemble lol
@2FadeMusic5 жыл бұрын
@@Lvl62paladin You have a point, there is definitely more nuance to percussion than people think. But don't pretend an instrument like the tambourine is NEARLY as difficult to master on its own as say the piano or a full drumset
@paperghost2815 жыл бұрын
SO THATS WHY THAT BOSS FIGHT IS SO FREAKING HARD IN MOTHER. I saw so many people fail on the beat.
@sigurdtheblue5 жыл бұрын
Well, the boss is just very powerful attack and defense wise as well.
@hyperhedgehog75 жыл бұрын
A lot of uses of odd time signatures in video games are just to illustrate how bizarre or chaotic a particular situation is compared to other parts of game. It is very rare for the main theme of a game or series of games to use an odd time signature But the main theme/leitmotif of the Touhou series, "Theme of Eastern Story", is written in 11/4. Structurally t's basically 6/8 + 6/8 + 6/8 + 2/4. It can sound surprisingly normal if you aren't paying attention, probably because it isn't too far off from the 123 123 123 123 1234 pattern that shows up occasionally in 4/4 music. Theme of Eastern Story just adds an extra 123 123 But why use an odd time signature? Maybe ZUN decided to just try and use a unique pattern to stand out a bit. Or maybe he deliberately chose to use an odd time signature to show just how weird and nonsensical the entire land of Gensokyo is
@LOZFFVII5 жыл бұрын
Hyper7 huh, I never realised that. I have a whole new appreciation for ‘Theme of Eastern Story’.
@atomicgopher23613 жыл бұрын
I just love the 5/4 time signature. It has the exoticism that comes with deviating from 'boring' signatures like 4/4, 3/4, and 6/8, but you can still get in a groove with it. It can still be really catchy. A prime example of this is botw's hyrule castle theme, which is arguably the best in any zelda game yet. Granted, it isn't ONLY in 5/4, but the majority of it is based on a 5/4 rhythm. Serious props to Manaka Kataoka for creating something so good.
I was hoping you'd mention Hollow Bastion or Night of Fate!
@TheOneBoom5 жыл бұрын
Love your stuff!
@Xagzan5 жыл бұрын
5/4 time FTW
@crafttyy5 жыл бұрын
and Here We Are from undertale
@duddude3215 жыл бұрын
Night of Fate from what game?
@wokeupinapanic5 жыл бұрын
duddude321 Kingdom Hearts... it’s also in 5, and is also incredible. I prefer it to Hollow Bastion, but to each their own 🤷🏻♂️
@ThatGuy11545 жыл бұрын
PLEASE do another video on this topic. I love hearing about weird time signatures. Maybe you could even revisit the Strong Ones theme and how there is a version in 29/16.
@marche8005 жыл бұрын
Glad to know everyone else had the exact same thought. It doesn't get more odd than the masked man version of strong one from mother 3.
@vharmi.5 жыл бұрын
Marche 71907/40120. That is all.
@TheDiego9085 жыл бұрын
You'll forgive your hasty time signature, won't you?
@turkeylegs1343 Жыл бұрын
I love writing in 7/8 but all my musician friends who are performers get angry with me because they can't count past 6 or something.
@evank37185 жыл бұрын
Lost kingdom theme from super Mario Odyssey. It’s in 11/4
@peters98894 жыл бұрын
Hinox theme and part of Vah Rudania theme are 5/4
@pighater11113 жыл бұрын
@@peters9889 i came here only to find anything relating to botw
@henrym50343 жыл бұрын
And it's influenced heavily by gamelan, a music genre predominantly found in Indonesia :)
@squibble3113 жыл бұрын
it is? huh
@makarafap3 жыл бұрын
11/16
@Bacony_Cakes5 жыл бұрын
What about the alternate version of Strong One that goes *71907/40120*
@calebrobinson31445 жыл бұрын
???
@Bacony_Cakes5 жыл бұрын
@@calebrobinson3144 Strong One (Masked Man). Look it up.
@Bacony_Cakes5 жыл бұрын
@V.T. Proto Yes, it's the *NOPE* Time Signature.
@want-diversecontent38875 жыл бұрын
The f*** time signature.
@kyrla4 жыл бұрын
It's still 15/8, they just switch up the tempo every few beats
@jeremyzorek5 жыл бұрын
_Sees video_ _knows it will have Mother 3_
@mcxopjesh5 жыл бұрын
I haven't even played mother 3 (been meaning to) and I know it has some weird tine signatures, like the masked man's theme.
@cq_the_kid5 жыл бұрын
Mother 3 is a great game, if you can play it, I highly suggest you do.
@mcxopjesh5 жыл бұрын
@@cq_the_kid I have an English-patched rom, I've just got to get to it, I've been wanting to!
@hslesperance5 жыл бұрын
A few more examples of odd time signatures / mixed meter from Mother 3 can be found here danbruno.net/writing/mother3/
@AndrewRKenny4 жыл бұрын
This is easily one of my favourite videos on the platform. It's so dense with GOOD content and a genuine enthusiasm for the subject matter. Not to mention odd time rules.
@m_d_c_t5 жыл бұрын
i'm kind of surprised you've never discussed the touhou series on here before, given it's a series that has been defined by its music forever & has been influential as such. it's fulla weird time signatures, too... good ol 11/4 and alternating 7/4 and 4/4.
@glasnost05 жыл бұрын
The first think that came to mind for me with the '5/4 clave' rhythm is the staff roll from Hopeless Masquerade.
@Zelinkokitsune5 жыл бұрын
Yea you can really tell a track's by Zun even if it's using a different instrument set (even without the horns). It's got a very distinct just feeling to it. Something you can't really unhear once you pick up on it.
@anazzzel5 жыл бұрын
Yeah! I was surprised not to see Raiko's theme here as I absolutely love how it plays with drums. There are also th12 and 13 stage 6 themes, I would have loved to hear his thoughts about these, maybe in a dedicated video, one day!
@Gamesmarts1945 жыл бұрын
As soon as I saw the title I immediately thought of Hartmann’s Youkai Girl. Seriously, what time signature is that?
@SeppelSquirrel5 жыл бұрын
@@Gamesmarts194 P.sure it starts with 15/16, then goes to 7/8, 4/4, 7/8, 4/4, and then it loops.
@rlanning47175 жыл бұрын
It's not a video game piece, but the song "A headache and a sixty-fourth" features mostly 4/4 time signature but has a 1/64 bar every once in a while that always keeps the listener on their feet
@tristanneal95525 жыл бұрын
Yoko Shimomura was very prevalent in this video.
@atomadam225 жыл бұрын
She’s brilliant. Should have given her a nod and a picture in this video.
@Damaniel35 жыл бұрын
Because she's an amazing composer.
@FreeScience5 жыл бұрын
Hadn't heard of her before, something to look for (is she a also known outside of game music?). But Joe Hisaishi was also in there.
@blackcitadel375 жыл бұрын
Yoko Shimomura = Dream Theater of video game music.
@n-Chantreuse5 жыл бұрын
Not nearly enough, IMO ;D
@Bruh-pl4zk4 жыл бұрын
You’re a percussionist. I’m a percussionist. We are kin. We are one. WE ARE ONE.
@Soniclink1375 жыл бұрын
5:58 Ah yes, I remember that moment when you fight Llyod of the Black Fang with Joshua the prince of Johanna while they both wield the sacred weapon of the Kingdom Johanna. It was my favorite moment of Fire Emblem the Blazing Stones. Nah, but this video was really interesting. It's really creative how these time signatures are utilized for different atmospheres. I especially love the analysis of Marx's theme, as it really shows how much the song fits the character.
@elliottmunger51545 жыл бұрын
Do you know what rom hack this is?
@Soniclink1375 жыл бұрын
No, I don't, sorry. I've seen footage of it plenty of times before, but I've never known the name for it.
@FireLordVahn5 жыл бұрын
This comment is the best comment.
@ZephyrHaze5 жыл бұрын
Sacred stones is arguably the best FE in the gameboy era
@givecamichips5 жыл бұрын
That was made just for the KZbin video, if I remember. It's just what you see in the video (called Jehanna VS Black Fang Fire Emblem). Edit: by the KZbin channel Marlon&Louis Fire Emblem Hacks
@LolaTheGardevoir5 жыл бұрын
Strong One (Masked Man)’s time signature is WAY more offbeat than Strong One’s signature.
@Josobro4 жыл бұрын
God, I love the Barrier Trio theme. That call and response between the Timpani and literally the rest of the instruments always stuck out in my mind.
@Howlinmoon3 жыл бұрын
What's really nice with the Kirby song is that the beat 1 of the measure is strong to feel where the time signatures change. At first it sounds chaotic but you can feel where the beat lands
@lizardjesus5 жыл бұрын
7:31 I love how when you mentioned Prog Rock, you included footage from a Mars Volta concert. My favorite band and one of the most underrated, Instant like.
@Bobbias5 жыл бұрын
I got a good laugh when the dream theater clip came up. That song is just mind bending. I love odd time signatures because they really promote nonstandard thinking in terms of how to write for them. Whether it's the trick of adding/removing a beat from a repeated figure or something else, you cant really approach an odd signature the way you approach a standard one.
@KnjazNazrath5 жыл бұрын
Which song is it?
@markohauck16605 жыл бұрын
Dance of eternity by dream theater
@Bobbias5 жыл бұрын
Dance of Eternity. The video is here on youtube too where Mike Portnoy goes over the time changes through the song kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKjOlIWKg7KmjdU
@FernieCanto5 жыл бұрын
"Whether it's the trick of adding/removing a beat from a repeated figure or something else, you cant really approach an odd signature the way you approach a standard one." Only if you're trying to be deliberately obtuse. My usual approach is to make those "weird" rhythms feel every bit as normal and intuitive as possible, so that the listener doesn't even realise there's something different going on. Also, Dance of Eternity is the typical case of a song that has "weird" rhythms and *nothing else* going on.
@Bobbias5 жыл бұрын
@@FernieCanto I've certainly heard many cases of odd signatures sounding like standard ones, but what I was getting at is that you can't just slap a 4/4 rhythm in an odd signature and expect it to work. You need to find rhythmic structures that work within that signature. Even if they feel natural, they will not generally be the kind of thing you're likely to see in a more standard signature if you examine it closely.
@TessaLucy5 жыл бұрын
Hyrule castle theme in breath of the wild is in 5 4 and 6 4 alternating 3:1 every 4 bars
@adriandiazdeleon88845 жыл бұрын
He talked about it some time ago :)
@mr.moodle88365 жыл бұрын
The Hinox battle theme is also 5/4!
@sadudas115 жыл бұрын
How about Lost Woods? Im not sure what the time signature is but I know its probably nuts.
@charliechimento8524 жыл бұрын
“Here We Are” from Undertale uses that 5/4 clave! (I believe that’s the song that plays in the True Lab…?)
@MystFox13144 жыл бұрын
CC Productions yup
@anxietyprimev69834 жыл бұрын
Ahh, that explains why I thought the 5/4 clave sounded so cool. Toby Fox is truly a big jazz boy.
@aeyyyheller96614 жыл бұрын
So does the final part of Alphys' theme
@yukinagato15734 жыл бұрын
I always saw Here We Are as a 10/8 composition (3+3+2+2)
@charliechimento8524 жыл бұрын
Yuki Nagato could be either way. That piano does play that pattern of 3+3+2+2. It could also have been written in 5/4 with eighth notes. I guess we would never know unless we saw the original sheet music
@YoungTheFish5 жыл бұрын
What? No Breath of the Wild Hyrule Castle?? This dude must have the restrain of a saint.
@emmywillow65995 жыл бұрын
He did a full analysis of that tune
@Neon-yj9xw5 жыл бұрын
@@emmywillow6599 Link it?
@emmywillow65995 жыл бұрын
NeonMango23 just go to his channel page it’s one of his most popular videos
@StirlingFlurr5 жыл бұрын
Neonmango23 I see what you did there
@pintavodki5 жыл бұрын
8-bit Music Theory, my man! I was waiting for this video. Being the leader of a post-rock/math-rock band, my heart beats in 23/16. So glad to see odd time signatures get some love. But though they're often used to confound the listener, I would love to see some more examples of strong melodies with odd time signatures. In my view, they show the real mastery of the composer. Anyone can baffle the audience with a random time signature generator music, but few can make it sound melodic.
@fengardice5 жыл бұрын
One tune i love is "Subterranean Hell" from Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow. It's 5/8 for the most part with a 7/8 opening and sections in 6/8.
@Piggy242 жыл бұрын
Although it isn’t especially complicated, 5/4 time has always been my favorite.
@LazerLord104 жыл бұрын
I really want to know what you would say about the mine level from the PC version of Pitfall the Mayan Adventure. I think it goes 6/8 for two measures and then 8/8
@tuttiman553 жыл бұрын
My brother who plays bass made a possibly new time signature of 17/12 so that is why bassists should never ever write music
@jdmyrick-smith79313 жыл бұрын
@@tuttiman55 I'm sorry HE WHAT
@tuttiman553 жыл бұрын
Is 17/12 an already existing time signature or did my brother make it
@fudgenugget39253 жыл бұрын
@@tuttiman55 Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't 17/12 just 17 triplets? Like how a measure of 6/20 would be 6 quintuplets?
@tuttiman553 жыл бұрын
@@fudgenugget3925 I’m not sure because I’m only in third year of high school and I don’t know that much
@Soundaholic925 жыл бұрын
Fire Emblem 7 has a 7/4 tune? And I didn't know all this time? I must repent by doing another playthrough.
@paulchapman80235 жыл бұрын
To be fair, most of Fire Emblem's music is in 4/4, 12/8, or 3/4. I think the Black Fang theme (7/8) and the Bern Generals theme (5/4, I think?) are the only tunes with weird time signatures.
@macdhomhnaill77215 жыл бұрын
Paul Chapman Knew there was a reason I liked those two in particular! Softly with Grace was another one I liked, then again, it’s just a sped up Black Fang theme. Edit: Nevermind, the video mentioned this, I made this comment before it had gotten there xD
@noamemerson-fleming2855 жыл бұрын
Rise to the Challenge!
@udime1235 жыл бұрын
When I think of weird time sigs, I think of Golden Sun! Saturos's battle theme starts as 6/8, but randomly switches into 5/8 for this really cool and disorienting bridge! The final boss theme of Lost Age is similar, starting at 5/8 and then shifting to 3/4 after the intro!
@Daniel_Berry5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Golden Sun probably has the proggiest video game soundtrack in terms of rhythm. In addition to those tracks, there’s also the final boss from the first game, the fusion dragon music, which begins with bars of 4/4, 7/8, then 9/8 before returning to 4/4. Then at 0:31, the drum pattern plays 16th notes in the order of kick, hi-hat, hi-hat, snare. The snare is very disorientating at a fast tempo (coming on the “a” as in 1 e + a), especially considering the kick is barely audible, and the section is preceded with a random 7/8 bar with no crash cymbal to signal the start of the section! Then at 1:08, there’s a section in 6/8 with accents on the 6th beat of the bar, but the bass guitar part that fills in the rest of the bar plays a rhythm that tricks the listener into thinking the accent is on the first beat of the bar. This results in the next section sounding like it comes out of nowhere, or a 1/8 bar into the new section if you will, but really it’s just 6/8. Man I love Golden Sun
@WT_Neptune5 жыл бұрын
Who Am I? from FF7 is in 6/8 but has a 5/8 bar every four bars.
@west1135 жыл бұрын
I was hoping someone should mention Golden Sun! Shoutout to the Doom Dragon theme, shifting mainly between 5/8 & 6/8 but generally in an unexpected way. Of course, the richness of that soundtrack stretches well beyond the liberal use of time signature changes..
@TheKarishi5 жыл бұрын
Saw the title. "Please let him talk about Hollow Bastion..." Was Not Disappointed.
@jacklarus4 жыл бұрын
My little dyscalculic heart LOVES weird time signatures because normal counting is already a nightmare - weird counting almost levels the playing field!
@jorgeluz95604 жыл бұрын
That video of Portnoy counting the time signature changes in Dance of Eternity is still one of my favorite things ever.
@Rabs1 Жыл бұрын
Have you seen the video where they play through it during the drummer auditions? It’s fascinating.
@gab_gabriel70913 жыл бұрын
The only way you're going to be able to know what happens next in Marx's theme, you'll have to be playing Kirby games since your childhood. Thankfully, I'm one of those people and I've practically memorized the entire track. The first time I heard it, I felt tingles down my back, let me tell you
@Bankai21695 жыл бұрын
HE DID IT! HE DID KINGDOM HEARTS
@riddleiddle5 жыл бұрын
Best song too!
@livefactiongaming20565 жыл бұрын
Hopefully he saw my patreon suggestion. I would love to see a full vid of KH analysis!
@jaredrich30125 жыл бұрын
With KH3 around the corner, the timing is pretty darn solid.
@jeebiv49615 жыл бұрын
I didn't see it coming and thought I was having a stroke
@DragonFreaktheGreat4 жыл бұрын
Surprised he also didnt mention that Masked Man version of Strong One. The first time I heard that song, it made me very disoriented and that was actually a pretty great experience.
@kjl30802 жыл бұрын
Because that uses irrational time signatures and they’re very hard to explain using the additive time signatures shown here because it requires stuff like LCD
@guestb8389 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the time signature for that fight is *_29/16!_* _These composers are sociopaths._
@beawolfe5 жыл бұрын
I need a Spotify playlist of these “weird” songs like breathing
@anidiotsandwich2324 жыл бұрын
The playlist will be named: "These Are Difficult Times"
@juankgonzalez62304 жыл бұрын
Just look up any Prog playlist lmao
@JackieOwl94 Жыл бұрын
Hollow Bastion’s main theme was one of the songs that got me really into music theory and dissecting musical scores as a child, starting in the 4th grade when I first picked up a flute. It took SO long to get its time signature down without being able to look at it online, but I was able to see it so well in my mind. Also, Blast Off III used trills really well and I was really happy when I was able to play those by ear when I became advanced enough to tackle them. Eventually when I became the section leader and woodwind captain my senior year in high school, many Kingdom Hearts tunes became key staples in warming up and bringing harmony to the band. It was fantastic, and one of my freshmen convinced the director to bring on Hikari as their final act in the last concert for the year in the lower-class band as I watched with tears in my eyes. I was so proud of them. Also, Night of Fate also shares this 5/4 time signature, and it too was one of my favorite pieces in the game. 5/4 rocks!
@klojoify3 жыл бұрын
The theme for the last fight in Golden Sun: the Lost Age. It opens with 5/8, then goes 3/4, 7/8, 5/8, 6/8, 8/8, repeats, then 5/4, 6/4, 5/4, 9/4, 5/4 It's my favorite odd time signature videogame theme, and a top 3 overall
@HippoInABottle5 жыл бұрын
Stravinsky’s probably looking down on us with a big ol’ grin on his face!
@SheepasaurusRex5 жыл бұрын
weird, i've never heard of ni no kuni befo-- JOE HISAISHI WROTE THE MUSIC???
@Sidnv5 жыл бұрын
Studio Ghibli was part of the development of ni-no-kuni 1.
@totalpovvortex5 жыл бұрын
(it’s got a pretty good storyline too)
@derpyamu64534 жыл бұрын
*Hartmann’s Youkai Girl and Seraphic Chicken intensifies*
@BlightVonDrake2 жыл бұрын
7:30 The Mars Volta! Very nice! Honestly, 8-bit, you're the first one to actually help me GET time signature. Your videos really help me get to a point where I can understand these musical tools so much better. Thank you so much!
@BlaxeFrost-X5 жыл бұрын
You started with one of my favourite songs, Hollow Bastion is so entracing... Great Video, this is a very interesting topic, i would watch a part 2
@jekyllgaming995 жыл бұрын
I heard Leavetaking and thought "this reminds me of Ghibli films". Then I looked up Joe Hisaishi - it all made sense. Edit: Also, I've been waiting for SOOOOOO LONG for a section on Marx's Theme. Thanks!
@nuclearbirds5 жыл бұрын
Ni No Kuni is the Miyazaki JRPG
@KesorodaBlk5 жыл бұрын
I want to know what kind of musician Ganondorf was before/during his ambition to take over Hyrule.
@ChaosRayZero5 жыл бұрын
At the very least, he apparently knew how to play some kind of organ. _That's not exactly a musical noob's first instrument._ =^p
@RibblesMcSnoo5 жыл бұрын
ChaosRayZero I always thought that when he touched the triforce of power, he just instantly gained sick pipe organ skills.
@tjlnintendo5 жыл бұрын
Maybe his true wish he wanted from the triforce was musical skills, but link and zelda didn't want ganon to have fun.
@dlfon995 жыл бұрын
@@tjlnintendo explains why he was so upset come wind waker.
@evanwilliamson83385 жыл бұрын
djefinitely djent
@GoodGuyPlayer25 жыл бұрын
Love the vid... but I'm having a mild anxiety attack from seeing Joshua vs Lloyd and Linus when they're from different Fire Emblem games...
@jan5944 жыл бұрын
Video Title: "Odd Time Signatures" First Minute: Dance of Eternity
@a.m.c83875 жыл бұрын
Odd? Even? I believe all time signatures were created equal. Even 7/12
@jaxweby43435 жыл бұрын
i've used it. *couldn't agree more*
@spynae5 жыл бұрын
For the folks at home, a 7/12 rhythm "feels" like 2 quarter notes and a single piece of a triplet, but counted as "1&a 2&a 3".
@klop42285 жыл бұрын
@@spynae In simplest terms (from which you can derive that), the lower number is how many of the beat in question can fit in a semibreve/whole note. Which is why 72/51 could be a time signature. (It would also need a _lot_ of context to make work, and would probably just be simpler to do by changing the speed rather than stupid time signatures.)
@havokmusicinc5 жыл бұрын
Well, you wouldn't need a lot of context for 72/51. At least one regular binary measure is enough to easily set the value of a whole note (even something like 3/16). With your whole note, you can figure out how the x/51 bar feels. Now, 51-uplets are a bitch and you may as well use 48-uplets instead (a triplet derivative) if writing for live performers. There is certainly room for that kinda stuff in computer/machine performed music, though
@Jozenchill5 жыл бұрын
So wait, what kind of note gets the beat in 7/12 time?
@Crusader91584 жыл бұрын
5/4 clave is in the last air bender pretty often
@ilke31924 жыл бұрын
It lead me to think there might be a cultural tendency to it... I mean, Western classical music is generally identified by 4/4 2/4 time signatures for non-western listeners like us. My country's folk music generally has different 9/8, 5/8 time signatures. (I know these signatures are used in Western music too, but not almost all the time) Maybe Asian traditional music has a similar quirk.
@johannhowitzer3 жыл бұрын
It's also everywhere in JRPG battle themes, along with its cousin, 7/8. (5/4 is 3-3-2-2 grouping, while 7/8 is 3-2-2 grouping.)
@chiarifairy68625 жыл бұрын
I think I sang a song in a 5/4 Clave, only it was written 6/8 + 2/4, so each measure switched between 6/8 and 2/4. In my choir we count that as 1 la li 2 la li 1 + 2 + Usually it would be counted 1 2 3 4 5 6 1 + 2 +
@Jodgers5 жыл бұрын
Imagine if someone did a 127/32 song using hemidemisemiquavers Edit: autocorrect ducked me oval Edit 2: ok didn’t expect to get 420 likes but LETS KEEP IT THERE FOREVER
@Jodgers4 жыл бұрын
Oh sorry, need to use the ‘right’ name: imagine if someone did a 127/32 song using 32st notes That better?
@nomb31794 жыл бұрын
Jodgers 32nd, as in thirty-second, but you’re close enough
@Jodgers4 жыл бұрын
Nomb317 oh next time I’m being sarcastic I’ll use 32rd instead. Happy now?
@bensonjangle84424 жыл бұрын
@@Jodgers 33
@Jodgers4 жыл бұрын
benson jangle sorry 33st
@KairuHakubi5 жыл бұрын
Marx to me always felt like a weird waltz with random pauses between each triplet VERY cool video. now i'm going to start thinking of this in every song I hear... instead of only thinking about it when I hear Here Comes the Sun
@Kiruklee5 жыл бұрын
Try looking at Splatoon 2 salmon run. Fishing Frenzy is 7 beats then a triplet, making it a 7.75 time signature.
@arty48105 жыл бұрын
what the fuck
@lunafoxfire5 жыл бұрын
Whoa thanks for sharing this. I'm counting this as 6 eighth notes + 5 sixteenth note triplets every measure for the most part. So you could write it with irrational time signatures as 4/8 + 11/24 time?? Or 23/24?? It's cool that "irrational" times are becoming mainstream enough to be in video games!
@MaggaraMarine5 жыл бұрын
@@BlockW Yeah, they are definitely regular 16th notes, not 16th triplets. Listen to the song at slow speed and you will hear this quite clearly.
@thecanvascat5 жыл бұрын
Additionally in Splatoon 2: Don’t Slip is in 7/8 for about half of the song, and #16 Salty is in 10/8.
@kzeriar255 жыл бұрын
@@lunafoxfire this is not an irrational time signature. It's just a decimal time signature. But truly irrational time signatures would be mind blowing, i've though of this before many times. Imagine a π/4 time signature for example
@Gnurklesquimp4 жыл бұрын
A weird time signature in a factory level theme, that is actually really clever.
@colinbaker27433 жыл бұрын
Sagat's theme from Street Fighter II plays in a 11/8 time signature.
@GB6__YT5 жыл бұрын
Before watching, I predict Mother 3’s “Strong One” and Kirby’s “Marx’s Theme”
@hibiscusman5 жыл бұрын
Dance of Eternity! YES! Also my teenage-years "gotta learn this insane song" piece of music. And I did it! So 8-bit, if you ever need a Dream Theater experienced keyboardist for a group, hit me up.
@Tesserex5 жыл бұрын
I sometimes drum on my steering wheel along to Dance of Eternity when it comes up. I really should stop, it's quite the driving hazard...