THE LAST HEAVY TANK - M103 in War Thunder

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The M103 in War Thunder is the last Heavy Tank in the US Tech Tree. Because this tank sits at 7.7 a whole host of lightning fast light tanks and MBT's with HEAT-FS and event APFDS have entered the chat. Not so much a heavy tank anymore and more of a giant cannon meme, the M103 is pretty ridiculous.
With a shell weighing 23kg and with a muzzle velocity of 1000m/s+ that makes this Solid AP the highest energy solid AP in the game. Some APCBC may be heavier, but that doesn't mean they're solid. The M103 suffers like all solid AP slingers do by having pretty miserable post penetrating damage. So, whatever size the shell is... it will leave behind some or most of the enemy tanks crew members in tact.
Despite this, it's still funny to hurl gigantic steel slugs at people from across the map and for some reason it does give some spectacular ammo racks! :)
Pretty fun but pretty dumb!
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[@Im_AliveWTM]

You have a serious bot problem in your comment section

[@schaddenkorp6977]

And again it’s a teammate in a T92 that helps Odd to hold the line. Remember back to that one video some months back where a T92 was helping and got taken out by a Panther (if I recall?) that was trying to push Odd while he was repairing? In my book T92 players are starting to set a gold standard for good teammates.

[@Snoopsthecat]

Have you played with turnyplays? If you havent you should

[@undyingtricstar8390]

THANKS FOR USING THE TANK BEEN ASKING FOR A COUPLE EPISODES NOW YIPPEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Nova_da_proot]

Best thumbnail I've ever seen "An 8 year old but it's traveling mach 3"

[@LugborG]

"Mach 3 8 year old" sounds like a band name.

[@rkfan101]

Sounds absolutely terrifying as well

[@vtecpower5336]

I don’t understand an 8 year old thing.

[@Nova_da_proot]

@vtecpower5336 I don't either it's just funny

[@lucamelotti7520]

@@vtecpower5336 probably because of the weight and speed of the round

[@albundy8139]

The reasons for the turret layout are to give the commander the ability to operate a "Hunter Killer" system, the British did the same thing with the Conqueror, the panel on Operation Think Tank a few years ago talked about it. Also we're missing the M103A1 with the upgraded engine, but Gaijin only cares about T-80XYZ premiums these days.

[@matty922117]

That panel "a few years ago" was actually a decade ago... 👴🏽😢😭

[@trevorrenkevens4720]

M103A2 had the upgraded AVDS diesel engine, but I completely agree with you. I would LOVE to see the M103A2 at 8.3-8.7 with better maneuverability, a better range finder, better turret traverse, etc. As well as the option to use APDS since the M103's gun did fire APDS, but the US army chose solid shot over it for some reason.

[@blackmark7165]

@@trevorrenkevens4720 i think US didn't like APDS because accuracy issue and solid shot is sufficient at penetration power (i think i heard somewhere that M58 120mm AP is having stronger kinetic force than some APFSDS round), also at that time US generally use HEAT for tank to tank combat

[@tazionuvolari8142]

Yeah you saying that like Gaijin adds only soviet premium's

[@albundy8139]

@@tazionuvolari8142 Yes, and? Your point?

[@icaindianen]

Honestly, MBTs are basically just speedy heavy tanks. Like the Abrams is heavier than the M103. They didn't stop making heavies, they just figured out how to replace all the other tanks with faster heavies.

[@Kazero420]

they got turbine engines, alot better than others

[@zoro115-s6b]

Nah, MBT isn't a mechanical classification, it's a doctrinal one. A main battle tank is the main tank you use in battle. The US just decided that it's main tank should be a chonker.

[@esooGrM]

MBTs are a combination of everything from light to super heavy, so technically MBTs like that abrams could also be heavily armored light tanks.

[@icaindianen]

@@esooGrM But if it's not light it's not a light tank. It's like in the name.

[@Snoopsthecat]

​@@icaindianenwrong it is tactics that decide what a tanks clasifcation exaple the warrior is 30 somthing tons yet is a light tank

[@Im_AliveWTM]

I feel like the guys in the back of the turret are playing a board game or something like that.

[@DDOD25]

cards against humanity..

[@TonnyH21]

Bro, i was screamin USE HEAT and then he absolutely done no damage to the Ho-ri production😂

[@TurnyPlays]

Imagine how satisfying the AP would be if they modelled inertia

[@TrepidDestiny]

Wasn't that the philosophy behind the "hull shatter" mechanic? Though it would be immensely satisfying to see the side of a locust caved in and moved 10 meters in the other direction by something like this.

[@ja37d-34]

All we need is severly overperforming APHE as that is what the nazis and Ruzzian Nazis use so..

[@liladoodle]

One post WWII US tank I want to see in the game is the T42 medium tank, which is a new hull design with a early design for the M47 Patton turret.

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

I'd be down for that.

[@KelvinDicksoncheckthisout]

Wow, that's a cool tank man!

[@g.williams2047]

Looks like an overgrown chaffee.

[@johnfrancisterne1072]

Isn't the T42 just a T69 hull with an M47 turret?

[@ThatGuyOrby]

I would like this thing a lot more if Gaijin fixed how uncapped armor piercing shells performed against sloped armor. Especially the M103's AP in particular. The nose of the shell was designed to shatter in such a way that turned the main body of the penetrator in towards the plate offering exceptional angled performance. In game it both lacks in angled penetration and had an ahistorically high chance to bounce at even moderate angles. In real life testing the gun that would be mounted upon the M103 proved that it could penetrate an RHA mock-up of an IS-3 hull at a range of 1.5km reliably. In game that shot is unreliable even at point blank. Same reason why the M26's T33 AP shot performs so ahistorically poorly against the Panther. It should pen the upper glacis reliably out to 1km but it can't even do so at point blank in game. The reason is that Gaijin's penetration calculator just flat out poorly represents uncapped penetrators. T33 AP is also incorrectly modeled as APC when in reality it was APBC.

[@ndcentral8194]

which is crazy because a tank that was fitted with a 90mm gun specifically designed to penetrate Panther's and proved in actual combat that it could do what it was designed to do, but in War Thunder you can UFP a Panther is honestly INSANE to me.

[@GewelReal]

Meanwhile soviet APHEBC:

[@Eye5x5]

time to leak documents of the m103's AP on the forums then XDDDD

[@ThatGuyOrby]

@@Eye5x5 The documents are open source nowadays. They either don't want to or can't change it for some reason.

[@KptKosmit91]

2:03 i found you saying "another downtier" with the SPJ on screen funny lol

[@italiancountryball865]

And a Tiger E on the enemy team,not kidding. 5:51

[@UnknownMemoryOfTheDistantStar]

I hate how bad the 120mm solid shot is in game, it's lacking alot of 60° pen and the ricochet chance is way too high that a Panther with some luck can ricochet it all day long ground level...

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

Gaijin has secret modifiers at over 60 degrees to go with other arbitrary nerfs to buff the snooZers and barrel depress what they see as NATO. The most suspicious part of that particular line of code is the average slope of Soviet tanks factoring into the decision. Really crappy petty BS. This shot in particular should be Zeusing the front of Tiger 2's and IS-3's.

[@leafleap]

13:58 *_Highest energy solid AP round, 23.1 kg going 1067m/s with a pen of 301mm at that distance... defeated by a radio box._* Lmao this game sometimes

[@thibautsaye6391]

Well its usualy the oposite for me , my radio box made the shell bounce 90* inside my tank so he could kill the rest of the crew

[@infrvortex2325]

I just think this video does a perfect job of displaying what it wrong with heavy tanks in WT. The way BR works just makes heavy tanks like any other tank just fatter and slower than any other tank. They’re supposed to be “heavy” but still die from little tanks that don’t even need to out flank or maneuver. 😔 Poor heavies.

[@1raremuan]

now imagine a proper squad pushing with only heavies. Unpenettable, unbeatable... I do understand what you mean tho, but from a game balacing pov it just can't be done

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

@@1raremuan "iT cAn'T bE dOnE gOyEem." You're gaslighting, and what's worse... a parrot. Gaijin has gone out of its way to pull relative historical competition with all its modeling, to sell their mud puddle of ww2 vs brand new clown wigs. Don't even bring up the IS-6, because they were caught adding invisible armor to that. A lot of Soviet garbage is treated like that, unbalancing the game as artificially as possible.

[@GookSquadGaming]

@@1raremuanit can don’t be dumb

[@eric97909]

i'm so glad you mentioned the part about the M103 having the highest energy solid shot in the game, the raw energy of its cannon and shot was insane

[@cccc285]

Wonder how much pen they couldve of pushed out of it by using apds

[@eric97909]

@@cccc285 right?

[@rodrigosalgado3175]

Wouldn't the amx50 heavy tank have the same title as the M103?

[@snapcountersteer]

@@cccc285 kid named conqueror:

[@eric97909]

@rodrigosalgado3175 No, because: "The M58 is the most powerful tank cannon (by energy) to ever enter service, with M358 having a muzzle kinetic energy of 13.15MJ", as per kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3WpZp-dp61sgbc , and some other things I've read online

[@g.williams2047]

The weird thing about this tank is that the M103 forces your perspective into what seems like the widest view in ground battles.

[@farmcat9873]

I remember climbing into one of these M103 tanks when i was a kid at the base and they had one in a park along with a M60 near where I live that honored military and tank crews. The tank was awesome to dee inside and climb on top of. It had the T52 stereo sight and the M14 computer and the M60 power unit the Continental diesel engine.

[@solster2127]

This was running at TankFest last week. Its a big feckin beast

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

I'm still amazed that Gaijin has still not added the WZ-111 heavy tank for China.

[@liladoodle]

Same here, I really want it too.

[@anthonyedwards6331]

Because it was nothing but a hull

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

@@anthonyedwards6331 But at least the hull existed, so it somewhat meets the criteria to be added to the game.

[@anthonyedwards6331]

@@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933 not really or else the panther 2 would still be in the game

[@rudolfthecat1176]

​@@anthonyedwards6331 Not only was just a hull build, but there is basically no de-classified information on it, or any potential turret(s) designed for it... Guess we gotta wait until some guy on the forums leaks them 😂

[@ideadlift20kg83]

ARL-44s Solid shot has more post pen than that shot lmao wtf.

[@Pittoors_]

The ARL has the best solid shot in game, its crazy

[@bonnibelio_]

@@Pittoors_ French 90mm AP in general is devastating

[@carlblack8574]

Yeah, the M103 AP shell is such a huge let down in my opinion. This shell should have more angled pen than the APDS of the Conqueror, and it should do even more damage. The M103 had the most powerful gun of any tank that entered service, but in War Thunder this gun is mediocre.

[@williamgaugler3346]

Foch and Amx 50 120 solid shot is crazy too

[@Northern00]

@@williamgaugler3346they use the exact same round as this, in game. But the 120 AP should be better in angled pen & post pen damage all across the board

[@connivingkhajiit]

This is one of the scariest vehicles to see turn the corner towards you. You just know death is coming and you might not be able to do anything about it. And i mean the L3/33. Look forward to seeing you play it next!

[@corrodan2995]

Seen this vehicle in person, its actually suprisingly small for a heavy tank of its weight. Most of its length comes from the gun.

[@Th3BlackLotus]

Hey Odd, the F3D has air brakes, so you dive bomb a lot slower without having to lawn dart the ground. Then as you pull up, nail the throttle and put the flaps away and you're out of there safely and at speed.

[@GewelReal]

my man wants him to larp lmao

[@warbossbenny6877]

Oddbawz "weirdest crew layout in the game" Bkan "Hold my beer"

[@MikMoen]

Solid shot just does not work in War Thunder unless you can get ALL of the crew at the same time.

[@Certz897]

It either works or doesn't earlier I decided to work on my French line and I had some good games in the amx 100 had 9 kills and 1 death then next game nothing but 6 assist and I was dealing with a annoying ahh t44 100 that I shot straight into his turret to disable some shii wasn't enough I killed like just the commander and gunner then I caught this guy 2 more times direct side hull shots couldn't have asked for a better shot and mofo still lives it was ridiculous and by that time my reload started so I was fcked and out numbered and eventually died due to reloading 💀

[@ideadlift20kg83]

ARL-44 90mm is the only normal Solid shot that feels like APHE lol. It just murders tanks.

[@hunlepto2239]

It works perfectly, it's only the US ones that are wonky for some reason. With British and French tanks, it gives pretty good damage as long as you point it towards more vital parts.

[@bobjeffmcmac7457]

Was lucky enough to see one of these running at tankfest a couple weeks ago, its a true monster to see up close

[@Hulikadito]

It might just be me but every time I see one of these, the turret reminds me of a xenomorph lmao

[@PantsofVance]

The French turrets always remind me of something alien.

[@MrDashpilot]

Your situational awareness is unbelievable. Great job.

[@danielcrowley5551]

Bless that t92s heart

[@evan1612]

This is great timing! Was recently wondering why I couldn't find a M103 video from my favorite war thunder youtuber.

[@du1987de]

4:49 "No don't do it, please, spare me"

[@stammigerberg1691]

10:05 Jagdtigers have really wonky gun elevation at certain angels. he probably couldnt hit you. Got me killed from time to time as well

[@TheLazyKat]

I literally searched for a M103 video on KZbin today and couldn't find any from you and right after you post this

[@felixgaede6754]

Dear Odd, thank you for this video. Just what's needed after that game against Spain, even though hours have passed.

[@aceca5147]

14:51 Cheeky unnoticed double kill

[@pennycarvalho1223]

I’ve always found the m103 to have a weird turret that still makes sense. Having the gunner and commander at the back means that they have no sight (that is mounted on the gun itself) and instead would range the targets with the rangefinder, and then elevate the gun accordingly. It also means that the 2 loaders had a lot of space, since the entire turret basket is only occupied by them.

[@thegamingcowboyxd5468]

The M103 is one of my favorite all time tanks, such a cool vehicle. Wish they would add the m103a1 just so I could bring 2 a match

[@calcosPR]

One of my coolest kills was a snapshot on an M103 with a Panther II on its cupola. Also used a Panther A to kill an IS-6 at its most OP point with a hail Mary shot on it's lowest most side armor from 2k away

[@Mister_Clean]

This thing has an incredible HEAT round. I find that I one-shot most tanks with it. Definitely worth making it your primary, with the Solid shot for shooting through stuff

[@nzwedge]

Respect to the guy playing in the Swedish Trumpet

[@lukorito1670]

@14:54 ... Cmon, that T44 has to be a paid actor🤣🤣🤣

[@darkpastures]

i know this gonna be fire already

[@TomPrickVixen]

11:20 I didn't recognized that map 1st but than i notice its just a "Battle" type map. I wish we could turn off map types like in WOT, dot to i just hate "encounters" so much that I often just instant quit when i get one, specially in naval! 23:15 u can penetrate almost any tank trough the most front wheel; and it does not even detonates HEAT till it reaches the side plate it self, like the wheel does not have a hitbox from some angles. Its an old ancient bug, or simply overlooked broken mechanism, it has nothing to do with Russian ammo.

[@zomgerln]

patient zero for the point-and-click gameplay that has reigned ever since.

[@lordhickory3322]

I've been asking this quite a bit, but you should definetely give the Strv m/42 EH a try! That thing is a great medium tank, it's mobile, it has a 75mm APHE shell that - with more HE filler than an IS-2 - evaporates anything, it has enough armor to bounce some shots... It's awesome, and together with the B-239 and the mad max AA truck makes for a really strong lineup!

[@cccc285]

Strv m/42 EH is the worst swedish tank tier for tier?

[@Pittoors_]

​@@cccc285Not even close

[@Kafulu363]

Stinker tanks

[@dennislemasters4339]

fun fact the us made the m-103 while the british made the conquerer for the same purpose to counter the soviet heavy tanks like the is-3 and t-10, the french did try to make a heavy tank to counter those same soviet tanks with that attempt being the amx50 line

[@anothertom22]

Solid shot producing tons of shrapnel everywhere but where anything important is 🗿🍷

[@norske_ow3440]

Ohh that’s why I’m suddenly seeing a dozen of these every match

[@9bstar]

The is3 panic wiggle 😂

[@o-hogameplay185]

that T92 in the first game was stock with 200mm pen APCR btw. it explains why he was passive. also you should bring some HE in the M103 because it can overpressure IS-3s and Conquerors on the turret roof

[@fabians7751]

APCR as only stock shell should be criminal considering how bad it performs, especially at a BR where every nation has started to use slanted armor

[@o-hogameplay185]

@@fabians7751 to show how utterly bad it is, it can't pen a slightly angled upper plate of a Bulldog at 400m... at 6.7 it has stock APCR, just like the german Bulldog at 6.3. What is funny is that the normal US bulldog starts with solidshot, which is much better, but those other 2 don't even have it. Both the T92 and the german Bulldog has the next shell at rank 3! yes, you have to research 3 ranks to even get APDS, which is just slightly better than APCR...

[@fabians7751]

@@o-hogameplay185 Hate to tell you, but the german Bulldog is 6.7 as well. And you really don't have to tell me the specifics as I played both of them a fair bit...

[@NeoMaddy]

Can't the HEAT-FS overpressure as well?

[@fabians7751]

@@NeoMaddy Technically yes, however overpressure is not as reliable when using HEAT over HE. Additionally, the HEAT-FS has only 2.6kg TNT equivalent compared to 4.6kg for the HE

[@danielross7983]

"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm...."

[@TheGXDivider]

Imagine If that thing was stabilized. Yes, it would be in the RU tree.

[@ethanfreitas918]

Oddbawz:another down tear Me: sees 1.7 tank saying to my self that’s not a down tear that’s a negative tear 😂

[@mehmetselim4991]

The shot that the zsu 57 pulled of is what i use to kill the m103 with aphe, it pens pretty reliably on guns like long 88

[@michaelwray1097]

M103 is so fun. I like hiding the cupola at range with my gun depression, you end up with a lot of dings on the roof lol

[@David_Bernstein]

So many players do not understand that it is useless to cap the home point in battle. GG, as always

[@aidang3746]

M103 is a lot of fun especially with it often getting downteired it’s armor is hard to deal with since people are often unsure although when u occasionally run into somebody with a good knowledge the can pen quite a few spots frontally with next to no pen for main guns

[@54oguzz]

Actually first map is really ideal for M103 bcs you can fight at hulldown position and just show your very thich turret armor in like every place in the map.

[@rene7128]

Started playing again recently and just got this today.

[@Mushyboy_]

I love this tonk. I had the best game ever in a USA 7.7 match lastnight and this 103 was the main reason 😂

[@thegamingdragon8567]

this use to be my most fave tank i have soo many good memories with it

[@PortoNova]

I remember this tank because of its turret. I got this at WoT (rank 10?) and I called it "The Potato"

[@martincotterill823]

20:50 be very quiet, we're hunting wabbits

[@superbattledroid1862]

The worst part about the M103 is how nerfed it really is, it’s like the American introduction to the entire UK tech tree lol, big rounds, long reload times and no damage done. Fun fact the force generated by the M103’s shell hitting armour I believe is still the highest caused by a tank even today. So technically even if the shell didn’t penetrate you’d still kill someone in the tank, as for light tanks you’d flip them.

[@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537]

>Flip them In the front and out the back, killing the neighbor's buffalo before settling in the berm next to his pickup.

[@thisfeatureissostupid]

that T92 was actually playing pretty smart. for some reason russian machine guns will penetrate that thing at close range, so those IS-X tanks would have just killed his gunner with their mg if he pushed while they were reloading

[@underworldgameshd69]

I’m grinding the Magach line and I see this thing everywhere and they are terrifying especially when you only have a 90mm gun WTH APCR

[@elchicovip01]

I had a Heavy tank battle between the T10M vs this one. I just used apds to his lower plate and won.

[@tpchunter3593]

These bots are wild

[@Nadaefvji]

Some of them are actually talking to themselves. Check out the one that said “sweet tank” 😂😂😂

[@t10god]

being sprocketed at like 75 degrees by Soviet APHE.... brilliant

[@stonegiant4]

What a kind way to phrase criticism lol. 9:13

[@SoggyPaper]

Me: trying to get kills Enemy player: How about I kill you first

[@phenixgamer8335]

Finally ive been waiting so long for this video❤🎉

[@Gamma_Cookie]

Bawz plays on an IMAX screen to see all these people Mans saw the bomb on a plane he glanced at in the distance lmao

[@ThriceTheWinnower]

I hated using this vehicle. My barrel was constantly destroyed. I had to remove all upgrades because the repair cost was insane before the economy changes. I preferred the Super Pershing, but it used to cost 14,500 sl to repair. M103 was like 8,500 to repair. Other nations were way cheaper.

[@raskzak3313]

so this is basically the Surbaissée's gun on a less mobile vehicle and without the autoloader

[@matthewredacted]

A day late for 4th of July Odd, Shame on you! Love your videos man.

[@leoartt]

He also has cool ears that anything can fly into

[@AlphaHorst]

I almost never use the HEAT in this. In the cases where you need it the target is resistant to it. The onky real targets to shoot with heat are the T10M IS4M and IS3 because it's armour overperforms to a ridiculous degree ingame. But it is also laughable how much worse that M103 is when compared to the T10M and IS4M

[@southpaw1364]

I felt the Is-3 near the start of the video lol

[@PhxGKINGMIKE]

Describing a shell as a small child is hilarious

[@doughnut3508]

Did you know the AMX-50 Foch has the AP round with the least amount of drop in game. It acts like a apfsds round. Also OddBawz not sure if your knew but you can pen the IS-3s frontally with the AP rounds with no problem up to 800 meters(Ive done it before)

[@cameronbennett4391]

i would like to see more M6A2E1 gameplay

[@coopercannon2007]

Bro, pls play the t-55AM-1, it’s a beast at its br 🙏

[@JSawmill63]

Ah yes.. the first tank that was enjoyable when I grinded the American tree way back in the day. Other than the m4a1 76

[@madscarygame2898]

O finally M103 my favorite tank in WOT

[@wayzy888]

I wish had had that tank.

[@Beard_Since_14]

I love the amx 50 that has the same gun but a 6s reload

[@sturmoviksunday]

the amx 50 also has the same gun but a 20 second reload

[@bonnibelio_]

@@sturmoviksunday ? the Surbaissé has the same cannon and AP shell with a 6 sec autoloader

[@sturmoviksunday]

@@bonnibelio_ the amx 50 foch

[@aflyingcowboy31]

@@sturmoviksunday the AMX 50 foch and M103 have the exact same reload, the AMX 50 foch is also 7.3 compared to the M103s 7.7. The Surbaissé is significantly better then the M103.

[@sturmoviksunday]

@@aflyingcowboy31 I am aware I was just making fun of the french tank naming, with tanks having similar names despite being so different (same for the amx 10)

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

45mm for the sides is nuts.

[@leonst.7471]

It's a fun tank even in uptiers

[@puebespuebes8589]

This is an up-armored amx-50 without autoloader.

[@n1co2017]

fun fact the 103's solid shot can destroy IS-4Ms' through the driver's port

[@akmarksman]

"Wait..you guys are getting downtiers?" - me.

[@khalilmqds4946]

*slap the roof of m103* This tank can load a child-weight shell

[@klaytonthorpe3050]

I encountered an M103 the other day😂 I was in my jagdpanther.. first shot no pen.. I was like shit… he just sat there shaking his turret at me so the next shot was right below his top left track from the side.. i wasn’t sure the angle was good but MAN!! dude blew the f up and I was like YEAH BITXH!! 😂😂😂 I felt so much satisfaction..

[@thegamingzilla6269]

Tbh with the M103, i prefer just using the HEATFS. Its far more consisent pen wise in my experience even if the penetration is more anemic than the solid shots. Plus with how many light stuff there is at 7.7 fhe HEATFS is even better

[@scottstickney1305]

Holy crap i was in a match with you on my team. You died beside me but i tried to save you lmao. Was cool to roll beside my favorite tanker!!!!!

[@angryeliteultragree6329]

At some point, everyone was an 8 year old traveling at Mach 3.

[@JackSwartzbaugh]

Thank you Odd for doing my request 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@ceevee369]

Lower hull for my RU 251 and we say RIP. Not afraid of this thing 😊

[@80camaro_]

Absolutely love this tank

[@Omnihil777]

The peak of cast armor.