Oddware: Popcom X100 Modem

[@LGR]

Sweet, more oddware is always welcome! Vintage modems are a lot of fun to mess with.

[@odius94]

+Lazy Game Reviews I had to do a triple take to make sure this wasn't posted by you but by Unexpected Bill.

[@PabloCandybarbarian]

+Lazy Game Reviews Didn't expect to see you here.. not sure why. :)

[@PabloCandybarbarian]

He's a great channel to watch, especially if you like old games! Keep up the amazing work yourself, uxwbill! :)

[@windowsuser321]

+Blazing Buttocks Your comment makes me want to photoshop uxwbill's face onto LGR. It would be an unexpected bill!

[@kiningroseburg9288]

+uxwbill Probably should, his channel is pretty awesome and covers a broad range of techy awesomeness... You'll like it.

[@vwestlife]

I first read the name as "Popcorn". That would've been a better name for a modem. I have a Hayes 1200 bps "Pocket Modem" that is powered entirely by the computer's serial port. It came with its own little carrying pouch. It is possible to use a modem or fax machine over VoIP, but only if you pay extra for a "data grade" line, which probably provides a higher bandwidth connection and a less aggressive compression scheme. Even so, I'm told that 14.4kbps is the highest speed you can expect to reliably work over a data-grade VoIP line.

[@1980sGamer]

+vwestlife Can you make a video on that modem? I'd love to see it. :)

[@Lachlant1984]

+vwestlife I also read the brand names as Popcorn, in fact it wasn't until uxwbill pronounced it as Popcom that I realised that I'd misread the brand name of the modem.

[@TheGamerWithMore]

+vwestlife I read it as Popcorn as well.

[@NJRoadfan]

+vwestlife Fax machines and modems work fine over Verizon's "FiOS Digital Voice" product, which is VoIP based. As long as the provider isn't using voice compression on the VoIP line (as in they stick with the 64kbps G.711 codec), any data related communications should work.

[@jamiemarchant]

+vwestlife I also misread that and thought it was a combination popcorn popper. That would be very odd indeed, if anyone finds one please post here.

[@dosdude1]

There is actually free dial-up Internet service that doesn't require any special software. One in particular that I use sometimes is the "NoCharge" service, which is based in Washington state. It works quite well in my experience.

[@AtariBorn]

I remember, back in late 1999, picking up an external U.S.Robotics 56K modem. I tossed my winmodem, hooked up the new external via serial port and it was whole new experience on dial up. Stable downloads, more reliable connections and even faster web browsing. Having those LED indicators made troubleshooting so much easier too, being able to restart the modern without losing my work by restarting the whole PC. The memories.

[@ellisgl]

My father worked for Prentice and did test engineering for the Popcom. He also designed one of their later modems. Due to bad spending, Prentice was bought out by Tek-Com in the late 80's and ended up closing it's doors by the early 90's (IIRC).

[@uxwbill]

+Kenneth McCall Thanks for posting...I always enjoy hearing some of the backstory behind any kind of device, from the people (or their relations, children, etc) who designed and tested it!

[@nknasi]

Your rambling is often what gives your videos the character they have and is also a big reason why I watch and enjoy each one!

[@JohnSmith-xq1pz]

Wow hearing the handshake sound brings back memories. We had dail up until I started high school in 97. best we ever got was 28.8 kps per second due to the old phone lines around here.

[@zacharyradford1708]

Brings back so many memory's. Back in the late 90's when I was a teen I got my hands on a 9600 baud US Robotics modem my mother's company had retired. I spent a lot of time cruising what BBS's where left at that time and also logging onto America online and Juno email. Juno was a blessing since AOL was a toll call and my mother would get pretty upset about the phone bill. I used that modem for a good number of years even after I had a faster internal modem. I loved all the blinking lights! As much as I love the reliability of my 5 year old IMac I do miss the days of power turbo and HD lights and the ever cool clock speed LED's of the PC's of my youth. Been a long times once I heard a modem handshake what a trip down memory lane.

[@semectual]

Nice piece of vintage hardware! You would never imagine that this 31 year old modem can still connect to the internet! Awesome Video!

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Legacy: Computer industry term for things that work.

[@Halterung01]

+TheChipmunk2008 Nice quote!

[@HillOrStream]

Ah, the good 'ol days. Ran a BBS for a dozen years, though it was a virtual ghost town for the last few years as the internet gained in availability. Ran Oasis on Atari 8 bit computers for most of that time, eventually moving to Renegade on a PC.

[@wildbilltexas]

Great video! That is a strange modem, never seen one that plugs in like that.. My first modem was a 300 baud "MasterModem" for my Commodore 64 in 1984. By 1987 I was using a C-128 with an Aprotek MiniModem 2400. When I moved to PC for the internet in the mid 90's I used mostly US Robotics internal modems. In 2001 my town got cable modems and I never used dial-up again.

[@WeatherSTARIII]

Amazing how that old modem still works. The last time my family ever used dial-up was back in 2003 and I kind of miss that old dial-up sound. We used to have a 56k dial-up modem too.

[@dr.leonardhofstadter5866]

That is amazing to see this x100 still working, i love your vintage computer videos. And i hope you make more autopsy videos, you got some awesome stuff.

[@teh60]

Very cool Bill. Reminds me of when I had my commodore 64 in the 80's calling BBS systems at a 300 baud rate.

[@JessHull]

love the sound of those old modems....

[@TheCarterHour]

Ahh the beautiful sound of dial up modems, I miss that.

[@jamiemarchant]

Cool! a "portable" modem. Neat that some devices call for time daily. Also nice lave lamp.

[@TheLucidLuxray]

I remember using dial-up until I was 7. At that point, we upgraded to Road Runner. This was way back in 1999.

[@jaykay18]

The NIST ACTS software does INDEED work with VoIP phone service. I have it, and also have 2 PCs that periodically dial up, and it works perfectly every time. As for ISPs, if you have telephone service that is unlimited calling throughout the US, you can use MetConnect here in NY. They allegedly have service numbers in the 212, 347, 516, 631, 646, 845, and 914 area codes, but currently I only see 212-359-2000 as the number, which is located in New York City. I tried dialling the number, and received an "all circuits are busy now" message, something VERY rare to hear today. I'm very very interested in seeing the Compaq Microcom parallel modem. I've heard about such devices but never seen them. I'm sure there's nothing to be thrilled about here, but it would still be something to see!

[@compactc9]

My grandpa actually worked at NIST for a while before he retired.

[@YikYum]

The Popcom modem was developed at the Prentice engineering lab located in Lakewood Colorado, it was one of my early engineering jobs of which I have fond memories.

[@uxwbill]

I still have this modem. At least from the perspective of this end user, the designers and engineers behind the X100 modem really got it right. If you have any stories or memories you'd like to share about Popcom, I'd love to hear them!

[@beachsandinspector]

Thanks Bill for a blast from the past.. I still have a few telephone modems here, a 56k that I first used on the net and a 56k sharing modem (with imbedded linux os and 4 x 10mb ethernet ports), my 2 x 33k6 modems that I used from about 1993 to about 1998 for a private link to the bbs / internet gateway. I wish I had kept a few of the older modems but I still have my old trusty netcomm 9k6 phone modem and it still works to this day as I had a need to send a fax a few weeks ago. All my computers (appart from one laptop) have serial ports most only have one but some have two (very handy for controlling a radio modem and controlling the various UPS I have here. I have only been building / pulling appart / repairing computers for about 34 years now.. so I am no newbie :) Cheers from the warming south in Perth Western Australia.

[@MaxieRetro]

Most of those calls are most likely done by ESE server clocks at tv stations.

[@stevef6392]

The last two minutes of this video made me want to watch WarGames.

[@hanksgarage_]

I like your vids Bill, been watching since 2007 haha. I've kinda gotten out of vintage computing and moved on to small engines and motorcycles. I remember way back when you helped me out with some computer issues I had on an older IBM laptop I have since restored, I'm sure everyone around you comes to you with computer questions!

[@truepcs]

By all means keep on "rambling". Thanks for the trip through history, I do not miss the modem days.

[@MasticinaAkicta]

I had an external, 56k indeed over a serial port. It was so much better then those damned winmodems. I might still have it somewhere in a box.

[@Sutekh94]

Anybody else misread the title as "Popcorn X100 Modem"?

[@jturner718]

Do you happen to frequent the VOGONS forums? Your profile picture and username look familiar, I think I saw them there.

[@Sutekh94]

Jacob Turner Eeyup.

[@Bandicoot803]

+Sutekh94 I did, to be honest with ya... XD

[@kyanhluong]

yup...

[@techjunkie133]

I didn't realize it wasnt until i read this XD

[@KrissBartlett]

thanks that brought back memories of when I used to dial in my isp I still have my old one to thank Bill

[@LachambredeNico]

Awesome video! I love old modems and handshake sound ! I currently working on setting up a ssh bbs, which is quite interresting. I was born in 93 and always feel like i missed everything i've never know if that make any sense.

[@bakonfreek]

My grandparents have had a phone modem since before I was born (I think they got one some time in the middle 1980s). They still use it today because getting broadband out to where they live would involve a satellite dish (and they don't want to pay for installation).

[@ReCkLeSsErr0r]

Ah... 90's modems. The only screeching in existance that us 80's/90's kids miss to this day.

[@windowsuser321]

I'm probably what you could consider a younger member of the crowd, but up until 2009 or so my parents still had a few older computers that sat unused with those modems on top, and I actually recognized the one on the far left as one that we had. Also, I noticed in a comment below you mentioned your MacBook, doesn't the KeyKeeper or Furhead have your old Black MacBook? Maybe you could borrow it back from him for a little while?

[@windowsuser321]

***** Well, that sucks. I guess that the white MacBook is easy enough to repair that it doesn't really matter...

[@windowsuser321]

***** An unrelated rant - I clicked on your username to go to your channel so I could see the video where the person left the comment about what part it was - and it linked me to your google+! Why would I want to go to a Google+ Page if I clicked on the youtube username in youtube?

[@windowsuser321]

***** Oh yeah, and apparently it's the inverter cable (I would've thought it was the CCFL backlight itself at fault) which is $10.

[@windowsuser321]

***** Oh. Thought that was the only thing wrong with it. I guess it is to be expected, you have been using it for 6 years so stuff is expected to fail. I know you don't like Google "Minus", nobody does (except for Google themselves...actually they probably hate it also since they've been phasing it out), I was just expressing my frustration how google always wants to link me to people's google+ pages instead of their KZbin channel.

[@Elfnetdesigns]

I have used TONS of those US Robotics V.92's in radio SCADA transceiver builds.

[@vwestlife]

I see Serif MoviePlus X5 and Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD sitting side-by-side... which one won? :-)

[@vwestlife]

+uxwbill That's odd, I didn't need to call them to register my copy of MoviePlus; I was able to do it via e-mail. But as long as you can live with the nag screen on startup, then registration is not necessary. I should try AVS Video Editor and see if I can reproduce the problem you were having with it.

[@redneckbryon]

I think it'd be kind of cool to see a side-by-side comparison dial up vs high speed loading a dial-up compatible website

[@HPad2]

I remembered back around 2004 I figured out how to bridge a connection and the local ISP didn't care you connected with the same user and pass at a time. We had 2 phone lines, one for home phone and the other for internet, which I was almost always tieing up. Then at night I'd bridge both lines and have a small boost in speed! And thankfully by 2006 I got cable! I've been using Dial up since 2000 which I was in the 2nd grade. My own computer in my own room. That cannot be said a good thing in todays world.

[@Bandicoot803]

Modems are still in use in industrial areas you have not mentionned: PLC systems, for example, where the programmer can dial-in into the PLC and take real-time readings of the PLC's input and output state over a distant location. It serves as well to manually change state of the outputs, down- or upload PLC code, as well as to monitor the general condition of the machine. That's why companies still make industrial modems which are specially designed for harsh environments, but sell them at a terrifying price of $200+. These modems work exactly the same way as domestic dial-up modems.

[@zaprodk]

Ohh, this bring back old memories :D

[@crazycalvinwilliams]

I work at my local thrift store and someone recently donated a Practical Peripherals coffee mug. I ended up buying it after one of my shifts and now I use it every morning

[@KOSMOS1701A]

That USRobotics V.92

[@Samspianopage]

Hey Bill. Where's yer NEC Eco computer LOL. Just thought I'd wind ye up seeing as ye mentioned it will come someday thought somebody should remind ye now and again haha.

[@uxwbill]

Someday can be a long ways off, especially when it took flood damage. I am also busier than ever these days...

[@Samspianopage]

@@uxwbill Aye I know bud 😄. I was just teasin ye. Seems everybody's choc a bloc these days be nice to get some time to do the things ye used to love bein able to. Ahh didny know it took on some damags. Ohh well yeah as ye say prpb gonna be a good while. Will be lookin forward to it when that day finally comes around though ☺️.

[@THEtechknight]

Alarm panels still dial out to NIST.

[@JakeFromLateFarm]

But the real question is.... can it make popcorn? A modem that also serves as a popcorn machine would certainly qualify as "oddware"!

[@NJRoadfan]

Apple sold a similar plug-in modem called the "Personal Modem 300/1200", but with modular AC power plugs for overseas usage. I wonder if it was made by the same company? The only modems that connected via parallel port that were common were usually ISDN, where a standard 16550UART found in PCs is a bottleneck to a full 128kbps connection. I have one of those Practical Peripherals 14.4k modems hooked up to the IIgs collecting dust. It makes a cameo appearance in some of my videos.

[@65oh7]

If you were looking to find some BBS's, I know that at least one user of the retrobattlestations subreddit is hosting one that you can still connect to over the phone. I didn't know you could still dial into NIST though, that's pretty cool!

[@coondogtheman]

You should try loading a website with that modem but It might be too slow. Maybe google. And the sound of that thing dialing out takes me back to the days of using AOL on dial-up.

[@coondogtheman]

***** No I don't know of any. Forgot that you had to do that since I'm on DSL. Will look around some time.

[@1980sGamer]

+uxwbill Speaking of NetZero, I have their 10 free hours of dial-up a month. And It seems to work without any software now. Before, I tried to use it with a Windows 98 machine and it needed the software to work. Otherwise, It just kept on redirecting me to the NetZero website telling me to download the software. And the particular version they had wouldn't work under 98. I tried to message them about it and they didn't help me. Yeah, then a little while after that happened I tried connecting again for fun just to see if it would work and it did. I live in Canada so I don't know if different rules apply to the US.

[@charliemyrick]

Is that movie studio 10 in the background? In a older video I believe you mentioned iMovie was your favorite editing software, did you try movie studio and didn't like it or did you just get it to test it?

[@charliemyrick]

+uxwbill Yeah, I agree AVS Is TERRIBLE! I started on Imovie 06 and then went to Movie Studio 10 Platinum, and then to Vegas and now, Final Cut Pro 10 (Got it for free from a friend, I would never pay that much for a piece of software!) Also, What happened to your macbook if you dont mind me asking?

[@charliemyrick]

+uxwbill Huh, two different display problems with MacBooks. First a bad incident with a shelf and now a bad display cable. I got a really nice HP laptop with a 5th gen i5 and 8gb of ram as well as a 500gb sad. But it ran windows 8 and the first thing I did was downgrade to windows 7 pro. It has lasted me until these past few months. I dropped it and it fell down a half flight of stairs and cracked the screen. I couldn't fix it myself so I took it to a repair place. They basically glued it back together. Half the screws were missing and they didn't even insert the ram in all the way, and ended up breaking the optical drive somehow! I ended up getting a refund but it was permanently glued together. Ended up having to downgrade because of budget. Got a 2012 MBP with a third gen i7, 8gb ram and a 750gb 5200rpm hdd. Sorry if my formatting is bad but I'm on mobile :p

[@charliemyrick]

***** Please keep it clean, and no. Just no.

[@worldgate989]

I have an old modem that was used in a data center for the old dialup system. 56k with all the bells and whistles.

[@bills5271]

I had both the us robotics and the practical peripherals modems you had shown at one time. So I know what you mean.

[@johnstouchpad6437]

Is the mouse to the right a Ms 3000 comfort model, they made a laptop version of that mouse.

[@retroguy74]

This is bad I know, but USR used to sell their 33.6kbps modems with the EXACT SAME shell as their 56k modems, but they were like half the price. So I would buy a 33.6k modem and a 56k modem, then just swap the innards and return the 56k modem, so I would get a 56k modem for the price of a 33.6. I know, but desperate times called for desperate measures, because at the time, 56k was like 100Mbps feels today.

[@kchristiansen3600]

The Navy used WWV Ft Collins CO. for chronometers and in the early to late 70's and into the 80's used the "time tic" to sync the dreaded kwr 37 communications crypto gear, we acquired the signal via HF, and i still use it today via phone line to set my clocks for home use, old habits die hard

[@HBC101TVStudios]

K Christiansen like the ones on 10 and 15 mHz?

[@joanmagnusmagnusson5896]

Damn I must be getting old.. :) I remenber those days... even 486 times... :P

[@Bluethunderboom]

Speaking of Fax, I have one include 2001 Brother IntelliFax Printer since I had one for free when the owner of the pawn shop gave it to me and when I first test them out and see they got any ink and they do, and it has a laser jet printer on the fax like compare the HP Fax printer with inkjet printer that is slow and waiting for to get the paper print until they'll see the message. And for fax printer since I got one, how do I get the fax connect to telephone line so I can use the fax printer whenever I can scan and sent them and receive a message from fax and to use also like a telephone?

[@notapplicable3220]

I used to own (maybe still own) a US Robotics V.92 56K modem. it was freaking awesome in the 90s.

[@queenofyeay]

I THINK my first modem was a 14.4 or a 28.8 I bought in 1994, BUT the oldest modem I ever owned was an Apple 300 baud acoustic coupler I bought at a yardsale for probably less than a dollar and sold on ebay for $35 to some guy in Japan probably 12 years ago or more, it's likely to be worth ten times as much now-a-days. I picked it up originally because It reminded me of the modem Mathew Brodrick used in War Games to connect with WOPR. "Want to play A game?"

[@Halterung01]

Well, I am only 18 years old but I actually used Dialup for the first three years I had been on the Internet. Until 2007 my parents refused to upgrade to DSL as they were thinking cost by time would cost them less than a fixed sum per month. On the other hand, I am not as spoiled as far as internet connections go as other people of my age complaining when their smartphone only has 30KBit/s in edge areas.

[@Browningate]

Some people complain when it dips to 300k. My plan doesn't include LTE, so it downloads at anywhere between 100k and 2500k.

[@YourTechAdmin]

I have that same Dell speaker set. They're really good!

[@thedebug3866]

Hey! I have the exact same one of those little sparkle lamps. Mine randomly shuts off, though. (As in powers down the LEDS abnormally and restarts) does yours do that?

[@thedebug3866]

Hm, weird. Must be a specific defect in mine.

[@vanuitdeauto]

You can even try to 'call' your own modem and see if you can setup a connection at 300 bauds with it. I did it a few times when I had to test some telephone lines and I got a bit bored so I started beeping back with my voice, and it said: connected 300 bps.... Yahoo!

[@BmxBrandon2]

Great video!

[@ibizenco]

I started going online with dial-up (and more specifically via ISDN) with an internal PCI-modem. Can that be called oddware too nowadays? :)

[@siouxmoux3]

Well it's use to be part of Lockheed Martin at 266 caspian drive Sunnyvale ca

[@HamburgerExplosion]

A little bit less "portable" than I was hoping. I thought it might be a modem that utilized early cellphone networks.

[@Lachlant1984]

That modem didn't take long to handshake with the NIST, I've used dial-up in the past when I was still living with my family, my family had dial-up from 1999 to 2003 and our modem would take longer to connect to the ISP than yours did to handshake with the NIST. I find the power plug arrangement on that modem to be really strange, what if you've got your power points very close to the skirting board near the floor where most power points are located usually? That could make connecting the modem a little interesting. It's not often that you see power points installed that close to the ceiling either unless they're there for a very specific reason such as for a wall mounted television or a cabinet of network hardware. If this modem was designed to be used portably, would it not be better for it to use batteries? And yes, I believe LGR did coin the term Oddware, I didn't think you followed his KZbin channel, but I do and have done for some time, and I know vwestlife follows LGR on KZbin because I've seen him comment on LGR's videos from time to time. It looks to me as if the power plug on the back of the modem can swivel a bit, is that true?

[@BBC600]

What software did you use to decode the time information?

[@uxwbill]

No decoding was necessary. The data returned is plain text and can be viewed in any terminal emulator. (I used HyperTerminal, which was bundled with Windows XP and prior.)

[@Nicotinebeige222]

The address listed on the bottom looks to be owned by Lockheed Martin (As in the Aerospace company) now, If google street view has anything to say about it.

[@aemerox5773]

It looks very easy to use so I don't think it's necessary to consult the manual.

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

These are interesting but they don't work unless you clear all the junk of the call waiting service and yes there is a place where broadband is not permissible you know the area that I mean probably the area where the radio telescope is located used by SETI. I just wonder if the POPCORN X100 MODEM can be used to operate in TTY mode.

[@thedataflo]

i think the best use for a dial up modem today iss taking a thermal fax wich uses giant rolls of thermal paper wich cost almost nothing hook the fax and the modem up to a internal telephon router / modern ip telephone router and use it as a selfmade printer conversion so u can print tonns of stuff almost for free also in some cases selfdeestructing printing mediums are pretty awsome ^^

[@ijf03208rek]

i miss that sound

[@RainFox84]

thanks , cool video.

[@technologyproductions-ye3px]

i didn't know you use dial-up modems

[@zx8401ztv]

Ahh, im older but i never had the internet for a looooong time, poor family, no telephone lol. Ive sat there with a modem and terminal software, sending codes to the modem for internal information and hayes functions, that was a long time ago in a galaxy far far... oow sorry bill i was drifting mentally lol. Also i had a play with using a modem chip with radio communication, i think it was an AYxxxx chip, very common for 2400bps in its day, i could also send a file to a tape recorder, it was audio after all ;-D

[@gamerkay5791]

I much not get it? DSL and dial up are similar since they both use copper wire and get me wrong the same 8 or something pins just that DSL is faster and both need a modem

[@gamerkay5791]

***** so DSL connecting to over needs something like a network repeater?

[@PiddeBas]

GNU/Linux, you're getting the thumbs up just for that!

[@HeadsetGuy]

We never had an external modem, only internal.

[@paulolpop6086]

There is this service called nocharge, and you go to their website, and get their user/pass and your nearest number. It works over my Xfinity VoIP.

[@nickbakaj322]

I called the number uxwbill diled and played a medium sound that was pre recorded and it triggered the connection

[@whitepaperkat67]

Or some sort if irc or chat server using via point to point

[@Browningate]

Speaking of dial-up internet services, the best one available (at least as of 2010 when I last used dial-up) is "Dial in Free". There's no software to install, no supplementary advertising, and it's dead simple to set up and free to use. Satellite has come a long way in the last few years, but is still quite expensive, so the DialUp solution remains for the thrifty.

[@2dfx]

Interestingly enough, 266 Caspian now houses Lockheed Martin...

[@Wruff]

good Ole dial up!

[@hackerinsidetm4271]

Oooh! I have the same monitor!

[@DubSe7en]

Lgr is very good, Bill. You should definitely check him out.

[@JGonYT]

*uxwbill + oddware + popCORN + modem =??????* I thought that bill was going to rig up an old modem to turn on a popcorn maker or something XD

[@lydiahaytack4267]

I did not know what they were... I am only 15

[@kingonduty2825]

You are 18 now

[@pedifer1999]

we used dial up till 2005. Fuck living in rural areas. Then we got an amazing 1.5/256 DSL connection, we lived with that till 2012, when we upgraded to 12/1 ADSL2+. Since then we moved to a bigger city and we now have 200/20... fro half the price of that 12/1 ADSL xD

[@theedrstrangelove]

25 to 30 million people here in the States still use dial-up; either because they have no other choice or can't afford broadband.

[@AiOinc1]

You wouldn't be able to take it into the UK or Japan anyways. The carrier tones and such are different.

[@AiOinc1]

***** Well, the more you know I guess.

[@OnlyEpicEmber]

Mmmm, crispy 360p

[@meercreate]

+CrAzYgIrL Better than Crusty 144p amirigt? With sound that sounds like they drowned the camera

[@whitepaperkat67]

if only I could host my own bbs server using the point to point and not get in trouble for it

[@AiOinc1]

Am I the only one that got that pun at the end?

[@AiOinc1]

***** I was more focused on the fact you made a time joke...

[@northhankspin]

US ROBOTICS use to make a really good modem,, I remember when that middle one was one was the most expensive.

[@Naters305ytg]

Im a younger guy and I knew what they where as soon as I saw them haha.

[@TheEPROM9]

Would be interesting to see the guts.

[@johncarrasquillo4429]

good thing.

[@RogerRHF]

Thanks for this video, you learn something everyday when watching uxwbill's videos :)