Odin, Vili and Vé - Spirit, Mind and Passion - Hidden Messages in Old Norse Myths pt.22

[@Survivethejive]

Fantastic insights!

[@johnknowles4131]

Thank you so much for uploading all this knowledge. Very insightful. Genuinely the best explanations of Norse mythology I’ve managed to find anywhere

[@54markl]

When all seemed lost, Odin whispered in the ear of a man called Snorri to write down the stories of the gods. In this manner, some of the people of the earth have been brought back to the way of the universe.

[@MichaelOfNorway]

Maria ELEGANT: Just watched your video “Odin, Vili and Vé - Spirit, Mind and Passion - Hidden Messages in Old Norse Myths.” You never stop surprising us. You really have gotten the mind to spin. Your identification of this trilogy pattern in the Edda as well as older Bronze Age European myths and linking it to a model of the human psyche is elegant.

[@SkyReach22]

This is what I love, seeing all ancient religions connect once you start to dig deep and get to their origins.

[@54markl]

Brilliant program. It is so nice to see something Smart on the Internet.

[@CelticValdyr]

@LadyoftheLabyrinth I understood the intent of your message, which is highly insightful. There is sharp focus on the concept of embracing the trials of the Lady, through shamanistic means and conquering fear of death, acceptance of fate, finding peace with mortality. These are worthy goals. Yet another path to spiritual growth is to seek and find love and the hum of life and energy through opening your mind to the great universe. Freyr represents these: joy, love, light, pleasure, freedom.

[@ToqTheWise]

I love the different levels of interpretation within the lore. At the very face they are stories to entertain, but then you go deeper and they either say something about the outside forces of nature or a broad description of the human mind, but THEN you go even deeper and discover they are also about the deeper mechanisms of the human spirit. It's absolutely beautiful!

[@artimusification]

I absolutely love your videos. When will you start an online course to teach Norse Mythology? In previous videos you talked about how Odin sitting in the high seat can see into the nine realms and how this is a metaphor for meditation. I find this very accurate. I also feel that you can see the interaction and interplay between the spirit, mind and passion during meditation practice as the practice of meditation, focusing on your breath (Odin) helps you elevate and seperate your spirit (Odin -the observing mind) from the thinking mind (hanir) and how your passions (ve -also known as the five hindrances in Buddhism namely Desire, Aversion, laziness, Agitation and doubt ) constantly try to drag you back in of the "high seat"

[@filipe93]

Thanks for this wonderfull and inspired work !

[@jtragg5381]

your voice is soo soothing makes me feel fire'

[@robertgau3427]

I think I'm in love.

[@LadyoftheLabyrinth]

@CelticValdyr But what I am trying to say here is that the Edda poets were initiated into a tradition which employed all mythical characters in poetical metaphors and formulas such as these in order to convey a deeper message - one of spiritual transformation and growth. ;)

[@Gefjelld]

Wow, that gave me a vital key to the question of trinities, and to the variations between them. Thanks! Thanks also for the conformation this gives to a conclusion I've come to myself - that the main thing one needs to take into consideration when studying Norse society is how very abstract they were thinking/ living. They deconstructed language, art, poetry and myths, and played around with the pieces like juggelig balls - linking them in new ways, and letting one thing be or become another.

[@123DmanCan]

you inspire me!

[@Gram668]

Very instering.I enjoyed it emently;as well as learned a lot.

[@ardeshir72]

Excellent, it was superb. I have subscribed to ur youtube

[@AKUNZ-]

Great job! love listening to you! you teach very well.! I have to take your eda translations in part though. to understand completely and read with you.. poetry incites all Asir and Vanir. thankyou.

[@LadyoftheLabyrinth]

@BoricuaChiTown It has often occurred to me that the countless world mythologies describing giants and little people and tall people and so forth could be some kind of legendary memory of a time when the early human beings in fact did meet a considerable variety of other hominid species.But that is going very far back in time, and it would be impossible to say anything for sure.From a different perspective one could say that we are dealing with other realities.The Norse believed in many worlds.

[@randyclere2330]

thanks for your clear and concise explanations in your videos… I have gotten so much out of your work. blessings.

[@54markl]

This is the ancient Proto Indo-European religion, which comes from the most ancient Siberian religion, the magic of the prehistoric shamans of the dark taiga. This is a beautiful program, thank you. Even Disney made the Dwarves about different personality types, you are quite right and knowledgable.

[@rhiannonfugatt3269]

Odr reminds me of the different names in Druidry for the same thing. Such as Ceridwens cauldron and the story of Taliesin. How the seer Goddess Ceridwen was brewing a formula spell for her own son that took a very long time. She had to cook it so only three drops remained after reducing the formula. Whoever received the three drops would gain inspiration and otherworldly knowledge (awen) and become Awenyddion (shaman & seer). This form of seeing or divination usually involved a trance state similar to an epileptic seizure when the Awenyddion came out of it would give a prediction in the form of a poem or riddle that had to be interpreted a specific way. In Ireland it was called Imbas Forosnai with the same type of description for how one functions when under the spell of inspiration and otherworldly guidance.

[@Yotun-of-the-WWW]

Hanir means chicken? like in Hahn(german), Haan(dutch), Hane(Norwegian, danish) for rooster.

[@CelticValdyr]

The Freyr/Skirnir story does make perfect sense the way you presented it earlier, but that too must be later than the earliest purpose of the concept of Freyr. I think it is clear that most of the myths that have survived definitely deal with the Goddess and Initiation, but this apparently evolved from and merged with beliefs in the divinity of the natural elements and forces, first zoomorphic then later anthromorphic and throughout there was balance - Heimdallr too, created the races of men.

[@54markl]

Loki was the Son of Lightning, by Dry Wood. He is Fire, which is mischievous if not watched. I think the black stripe on the German flag refers to him.

[@surpremelysmokeypotatotowe1591]

54markl No. The German flag refers to a uniform.

[@magnusheister8466]

The english verb suffix -ing also ads to the notion that Frey/Ing was the god/spirit of passion and therby action and fertility, even for the ancient anglo-saxons.

[@LadyoftheLabyrinth]

@CelticValdyr Yes, agreed,but is this in reality incompatible with his representing passion,intent,life-force,vitality, being the bestower of will and beautiful colors,brother to and companion of spirit and mind? That was my message here,and I see no contradiction.My agenda is not to tell people what path to take,but to explain a crucial message of the Poetic Edda,as much a story of how the cosmic forces work in us, as it is a path towards union with the whole,passion,spirit,mind together.

[@adamgodwin9260]

I saw the word Lokki on the floor of the holy sepulchre in Cambridge didn't know who that was and then I found out he was apparently the god of mischief and when I went back a couple of years later it was not there I asked the person there where it had gone and he denied it ever being there do have any idea why that might be oh and what is your sun sign just curious

[@greenghost2008]

My trinity - Folk Metal, Viking Metal, Symphonic Metal.

[@BosmanHa]

I'd say Black, Thrash and Viking Metal but yours is cool too

[@gigii9246]

Best comment on this video

[@Gefjelld]

(Continued:) A comment: I do believe that Dumezil has a valid point when he places Ty as the (war)God of Law and balance, of "there's always a prize", and Odin as the (war)God of passion, war-frenzy, magic, shapeshifting, the God of the Úlfhéðnar. Compared with other indo-european mythologies, notably the Mahabarata, the more war-oriented society of the German tribes explains Ty's somewhat retired position. I´ve just become aware of your videos, and I'm looking forward to see the rest of them.

[@MichaelOfNorway]

One wonders if the Fourth Century Christians were influenced by a similar pattern as they wrote the Nicene Creed. Just as we create an image of the gods in a human form it seems reasonable that we would use our own psyche as a model of the god’s (natural) creative - active forces Freud’s Ego, Id, and Superego come to mind as well. Your insight is incredible. I am awaiting your next lecture. Michael

[@54markl]

Thor is also in the Sami (Lappic) religion. The Indo-Europeans and the Uralics were once one people, the Indo-Uralics, who lived on the north shore of the Caspian Sea in 10,000 BC. Before that, they lived in Siberia at the Ob-Irtysh confluence. This ancient religion, from which comes much of western culture, is one of the oldest of the human religions. In 200,000 BC, our ultimate ancestors in Surtland probably had three rocks that they regarded with awe.

[@54markl]

Lady of the Labyrinth, now I know you are a genius. There were indeed little men in prehistoric Europe. Some little Pygmies came to Europe from Africa in 60,000BC, before Cro-Magnons, and lived all over Western Europe until late times. Two little men were unearthed in a prehistoric burial in southern Germany, honored by copious grave goods. Tolkien based his burial of Merry and Pippin in Rohan upon this real archeological discovery. Many believe that the legends of Trolls and Giants come from man's memory of Neanderthals. It was just yesterday in our brief existence. And Neanderthals had huge brains that remembered a lot.

[@luigiviking3667]

HAIL ODIN🗡🛡🏹🍻

[@adamgodwin9260]

Your brow suggests Aries but I could be wrong it is the shape of the ruin for Aires and u are definitely a spring of wisdom

[@77gpl]

Hello, I've absolutely love your way of deducting poetry. you have a very very interesting point of view. One question though, how come you said Heimdallr was in the Vanir? I always thought he was of the Æsir group of gods.

[@LadyoftheLabyrinth]

Understandable, Snorri never said that Heimdallr was one of the Vanir, and mostly People base themselves on his works. But in the Poetic Edda, the Trymskvida, it is said that like all other Vanir, Heimdallr is wise. And that is an older source. :)

[@vethorr]

To a practicing teutonic shamon, Odin, Vili, Ve refers to the 3 fold self.A wizard state is attainable by uniting the three main energy centers (chakras) of the body. We receive insight through the third eye, transfer that enegfy to the naval center (Vili = Will Power) and then Ve (the conscious earth self: heart center) observes, makes decisions, and transfers it back to the will. Only by understanding we have 3 selves can one become whole. These names refer to energy work our ancestors did,

[@WilliamJoseph2015]

antijerk I'm doing some research. Would you say Vili is origin of the name Billy. I say this because Billy is short form for William and William means Will power

[@CelticValdyr]

@LadyoftheLabyrinth When Freyr seeks an "enclosure" (Griðr), he becomes holy - the method used to mark sacred ground. Freyr conquers the "moaner" Beli that represents sorrow and misfortune with only the primal gifts that life produced (antler or if he desired his bare hands - extension of his will). This is why Freyr was king, because life, love and joy are the sacred gifts that a divine king should bestow. Freyja as Griðr is right to fear for the death of her brother and joy.

[@calebsmith2131]

Is there a book that I can get that tells the original stories of the norse adventures in english and still keeps the originality of the stories intact? Basically I do not want a water down version.

[@CelticValdyr]

Well, Maria, you made a great argument up until your discussion of the Vanir when you seemed to be forcefully fitting those gods into the trinity mold of the Aesir. I would argue that the Vanir represent a different culture's beliefs and was more connected to a pantheist tradition with a root in celestial and natural forces and the latecomers, the Aesir, brought a more human-centric tradition with a new wave of distantly related people all possibly with original roots in Egypt/Sumeria/India.

[@woodymac7164]

Villi is also identified with Hoenir the deity exchanged into the Vanir. Villi and Ve kicked Odin out of Asgard after the rape of Rindr. Maybe the poets had insight into other deities that were unknown to others.

[@thepupils209]

Villi & Ve got revenge by bangin' Frigga when Odin went to other worlds. Karma (or Tyr justice)

[@katharinemarshall8056]

Could the servants of Thor be representative of the gender qualities, or states of mind, coming together...working together...? Male and female attributes...

[@BoricuaChiTown]

since u seem quite knowledgeable about the Norse myths I'd like to ask you to consider and maybe later post something on the possible connection between the many hominid races that appear in Norse myth and their possible origin, if you think there is any, in the 15,000 years that our ancestors lived side by side and survived the Ice Age with the neanderthals in Europe. Maybe this second human race evolved in Norse myth as Alfir, Trolls, Dwarfs, etc.

[@LadyoftheLabyrinth]

@MrVicaxe Thank you, too - we all are, in a way. :)

[@erichwebb8312]

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[@DavidR-qu5ng]

The storys manifest, because of seeking the truth behind what to do. Its the heart that guids the soul with intent to do whats right, when its done right for the same reason as any other story, then the manifestation of that story is shown to example what to do. The frozen realm, pre life, the now realm, and the after realm, sun and story. The sword divides the soul from the body, and mind, the same is divided from God when he speaks, all three speaking at the same time and from each realm. So the storys go, the peoms or fortelling to divid the divine and are the same in each story done by different people. But that depends if you passed the guardian or not, and can see past it, the lion, the witch, or dragon are all the same thing.

[@54markl]

The Vanir are the gods of the Venedi, the Nordwest Block, who came to Sweden and became the Vandili. Loki is really Lugh, and it was the Ligures of Gaul who brought him to Norway. But the Aesir were brought by the Aesti, who were Baltic, and they were really the Asura gods of the Iranian Scythians. The Jotunns were the ancient gods of the Sami Basques, who had the land first. Later the Mordvins came and turned some of the Sami into Kvens.

[@54markl]

One day Njord said to Nertha "Are you the mistress also of the Land beneath the sea?" "Certainly I am," replied Nertha, and went to the ocean floor. But Njord held her captive, and had a son with her there. One day Nertha escaped. Njord then threw the boy Ingve upon the shore to stop the howlings of Nertha.

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

MYTH - "a widely held but false belief or idea". ?

[@carljung4622]

I prayed to Odin.yesterday. And a norwigen aires male stoped me In the street. And we sat and Talked. I know now it is all one world One hart. And it is not myself that carrys me But my me is all. I was allways in a frenzy when i write. This why i make mestakes. My passion is not anything other Than just who i am. I guess. I must come across crazy. Somone said yesterday. That only a warrior who dies On the battlefeild can Enter Valhalah. But i beleive. Battle could be a reffrence to the inturnal Struggle and the true self. Emerging from the death Of the false self. To defeat the ilusion within. Because without realising it I became a warrior poet. Just without the blood Shed. Tak. This time my hairs were upright On my arms. I can only speak my hart. But damn by brain gets in the way. But i respect the mind now. I just needed to know the Root.

[@SirSanje]

Aries Wodanist here, see you in Valholl \m/

[@EnlightenmentToAll]

I always did find the Norse interesting.

[@NotSoSmartAtheist]

cool story

[@54markl]

Alfadur had no birth, he created the universe with his thought. But he entered the world through birth as Odin, Vili and Ve. One day Odin said to the head of Mimir his uncle "I need a smarter head than you to advise me." "Then restore my head to my body and use Vili's head instead," said Mimir. And so this was done. But Vili's head insulted Loki, who turned it into a hazel-nut and gave it to a dove. "Loki is stingy, he only gave me one nut!" complained the dove. "If you want revenge, take me to Surtland!" advised the nut. And so the dove flew to Surtland and fed the hazel-nut to a virgin. The virgin gave birth to Vili, who was called Jeshua. He made war on the gods with words of peace, and defeated them all.

[@54markl]

All of the gods were evicted by Vili in his new guise, and wandered homeless. But Loki became angry and went to the farthest reaches of Surtland. There he raised up a man called Mamud to fight Vili-Jeshua. Loki gave Mamud the power to make men do crazy things. And so Mamud's fight with Vili continues to this very day.

[@WilliamJoseph2015]

+54markl Christianity vs Islam correct?

[@ComicGami]

SpiritPoetryFrenzy is my middle name.

[@54markl]

Ve Odins-Brother became Njord, the god of the sea. He had a son with Nertha, and tossed him up upon the stormy shore. This was Ingve, the Child of Holiness, who was also called Freyr. Ingve had many sons before he left for Sweden, who were called the English.

[@jtragg5381]

Odre'

[@bullsaidart]

I think Dwarf = what is now called a grey alien.

[@Francesko263]

@LadyoftheLabyrinth Do you feel like a "viking woman"???