Odyssey Argos Unfiltered

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0:50 Methodology of Testing 1:23 Lever Machines 3:10 Argos Lever System 3:40 Boiler Types 6:38 Argos Heat Management System 10:48 Effectiveness of Argos Temperature System 15:17 Indicator Lights 16:04 Workflow 17:06 Parts Walkthrough ++ 17:08 Lever ++ 17:26 Grouphead ++ 17:47 Pressure Gauge and Transducer ++ 18:38 Boiler Cap ++++ 20:18 Refilling the Argos ++ 22:14 Steam Wand ++ 24:17 PID Controller ++ 24:47 Portafilter ++ 26:04 Shower Screen ++ 26:35 Dinky Tray 28:36 Argos App 31:30 Time to Temp for Water 32:50 Pressure and Sample Shot 35:46 Bleeding the Air 36:49 Tasting the Shot 37:06 Recap of Workflow 37:20 The Mini Fellini 40:50 Resetting between shots 42:18 Mini Fellini Shot 46:08 Bigger Yields (Multi Fellinis) 49:45 Flow Restrictor Valve 51:22 Steam Boiler and Steaming 54:45 Taste Profile 55:21 Vs 54mm Basket Machines 55:54 Overall Conclusion 56:22 Springs 57:48 Disassembly 58:33 No Flow Restrictor Shot

[@erikngomez]

I love these deep dives! Thanks so much for spending an inordinate amount of time so I can enjoy it. I feel like I like this lever so much more now than how I felt when watching your "standard" review.

[@rc0va]

An Argos for black coffee only (no steam wand) in 49mm would be dope!

[@fxgiant]

brass has a much higher 'thermal conductivity' than stainless steel. This means Brass will transfer heat energy much better than stainless (which has the lowest thermal conductivity of any metal) therefore if you want for example a brew boiler to be more efficient make it from stainless as less heat is lost to the surroundings. If you want to make a group head to shed heat to prevent less of a temp rise, make it out of Brass. Thermal conductivity of Stainless=15.03 W/mK Brass= 146.87 W/mK

[@brentroman]

Another fantastic deep dive Lance! Thanks for all you do and thanks for letting people know what this machine is all about.

[@hughhosman7550]

Been waiting for this session since the short one came out, and waiting a couple of years for that…and well pleased with what you’ve demonstrated and as always, the How of Lance. But most of all, I’m glad Ross and team took the time to get it right (except the drip tray, it seems). Having bought a Flair 58 to get in 58 shape (and i love what it gives me), I’ll be delighted to bring my Argos back from the US this summer and take the Flair to the office and give the AeroPress and V60 a rest. I feel great about the wait after your two reviews and what I can learn from this machine. Thanks for all you do for the greater glory of coffee - you’ve provided information and inspiration that’s completely changed how I experience and enjoy espresso particularly, which wasn’t something I could say a couple years ago - but I also know why now, largely thanks to your principled passion and my roasting mentor. Today’s is a vastly different coffee experience than as a turn of the century barista on a 3 group La San Marco on the opening shift.

[@coffeecove7058]

Hello. Got to see the Argos at the Expo, is sharp. Also got to meet Johnathon Ganye and had a brew by him on the Pulsar that was fantastic. He is very nice. Also met the 2017 Latte Art Champion, Emilee Bryant at the Meticulous booth. She is very nice as well; who gave a demo and the shot pulled was good. (Hope I remembered the right year, Emilee). 😬 I was only there Friday, so missed meeting you (heard your flight got cancelled initially). Glad you made it there and perhaps another show.

[@BenBarista]

Just a thought about the potential « no steam wand » version of the Argos : without the steam wand, you won’t be able to purge the pressure of the water tank for fast refilling or other uses… So the steam wand is still useful in other ways else than steaming milk.

[@coreycannon4511]

Good point!

[@tomasmampuys]

Maybe you could add something around the end of the boiler filling funnel to make it float when water hits it Nice video Lance, got me excited about this machine!

[@EphemeralTao]

Already watched the short version, definitely appreciate the longer more detailed review. I've had mine on order for a few days now, with all the extras. Going to have fun playing around with both the spring and direct pulls.

[@MadScientist7]

I’m thinking about doing the same or Flair 58 plus…I just don’t know yet…I’m too new to the espresso game to know what things to look for in a machine…what colour option did you go with?

[@EphemeralTao]

@@MadScientist7 I went with black and walnut.

[@idopeso]

​@@MadScientist7if you want something that you don't want to wait to get it, flair 58 is a solid option. The Argos gives you a boiler which eliminates some faff and milk steaming abilities. At a higher price tag.

[@markthornby5283]

Outstanding analysis and entertaining content as always! Thanks Lance

[@TheRockyBalboa100]

This is a very very good review. Thanks! From The Netherlands

[@robertmullins9639]

Great one again! Love the long format! I really learn alot and I appreciate the depth you go to... I have been interested in this machine for a while and this video answered all my questions. Thank you truly! ✌️

[@lars6314]

Thank you for taking your time for this :)

[@coreycannon4511]

Thanks for posting this 2nd video. I don’t know if it was the added information that this video gave, or just getting the basic info a second time, but now I feel like I have a better understanding of the Argos. It’s definitely on my list.

[@MadScientist7]

I got a lot more out of this video after watching it a second time….excellent explanations❤

[@gero77]

Incredible, as always. Thank you Lance!

[@gotjazz84]

Great watch. Thanks a lot for the review...

[@Creed132UNC]

For filling the boiler, I have found that if I hold the funnel in my left hand and pour water with my right, I can hold the funnel with just the tip in the boiler and can see the water level pretty well. Other people have quit using the funnel altogether and use a gooseneck kettle which would give you the same ability with a one-handed approach.

[@pavelgrebnev3868]

incredible video, thank you, Lance. I enjoyed it much more than the main review btw🙈

[@MrYevie]

thank you, this was awesome and so insightful, Lance

[@andrewskakun7041]

Wow Lance!! Great review. Love the in-depth research you do before these you make these videos. Keep up the good work and enjoy your time at the Expo!

[@ffejkcocbab5572]

Great review. I'm in the que for having one built and your review has reinvigorated me for when it gets here. It will be interesting to see how it compares to my La Pavoni pro with the pressure profiler upgrade. Cheers -- ☕

[@jiinx72]

Ok this or the Londinium Vectis. Asking as I'm in the market for my next and probably last espresso machine. Space is a big factor. Both machine's tick alot of box's just undecided which way to go 🤔

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

Hi Lance, very nice review that i was waiting for a long time !!!! ... also im super thrill that you will review the ALM KOPI lever 😊 im the guy who talk with you about it at first here or on facebook i cannot remember . I had to offset the PID on mine to get it stable with my kettle and thermometer. So far so good , i have it for many months now and everything is still perfect , i only replace one piston oring yet , still my daily driver . Anyway, best coffee content as usual mate ! Thanks

[@robertjason6885]

Wow. Solidly caffeinated test this guy. Dedication!! Good stuff.

[@cookfoodslow]

Welcome to Chicago! Hope to see you with the other Coffee Geeks at the Aviary tonight!

[@nickdebenedetto2087]

I love the deep dives! Keep up the good work!

[@basedmuslimbooks]

All we need is a to remove the restrictor on shipping times, wanted to order but fear it will reach me in 2026

[@EphemeralTao]

The latest word on the website is that the 2nd run will ship by Q3 of this year. As we're already a couple weeks into Q2, that's about 4-6 months; and they did say they have hired and are hiring more people to keep up with demand. I went ahead and ordered one with all the bells and whistles; and as long as I have it by Christmas, I'll be happy.

[@defaultaccount2916]

Hi Lance, Thanks for taking the time to do such a detailed review with so much useful information. I appreciate the effort you and Hugo put in to these videos! You mentioned enjoying shots from smaller diameter baskets so I wondered whether the Sworks step down (58mm -> 49mm) or similar basket might be a way to achieve that sort of profile with the Argos?

[@AL-gi5xj]

Nice video! I would definitely bolt that little thing down for stability

[@idopeso]

It comes threaded, so you can do that!

[@leonardcorser2736]

Awesome Lance Thank you😍

[@dsiddiqui5111]

Excellent video. I have the argo for a month now and I have removed the spring. Perhaps it’s my imagination but the coffee seems better without the spring. I try to keep a constant 8 bar pressure on the analog gauge, but I don’t know if that is the correct method. It would be nice if you could a do mini video on the direct springless method. Thank you.

[@0whitestone]

I want one of these so bad! I love your deep dives, but can you please explain how the chamber can fill too fast to bleed the air out? I can't seem to visualize that in my head, because no matter how fast the water comes in, the air should go up to the top and out the valve on the piston. I for the life of me can't understand how filling it faster can cause it to retain air.

[@angrymurloc7626]

nooo the clip from ten years ago, how will I find it 😢 great video as always Lance, the knowledge, I feel I am becoming too powerful (are you already too powerful? Do we need to stop you??)

[@davidrogala7597]

cool video good stuff

[@Jvbeagles]

Really interesting

[@bbykC]

do you happen to know if i need the pressure gauge along with the transducer? I forgotten to include the analog pressure gauge in my order and i was just wondering if i could just have it with just the transducer. mmm ;-;

[@BBB_025]

Love this video. 28:12 Maybe I am missing something, but wouldn't the magnets affect the scale? I guess I don't understand how the magnets are implemented for the drip tray very well. I don't know if or when I will ever do espresso at home, but this will definitely be on the shortlist of machines that I would think about getting and the price point is amazing.

[@EphemeralTao]

Looking at comments elsewhere, the magnets don't appear to be strong enough to affect the scale.

[@Dotes111]

Great review! Thank you for the information! On a side note, you mentioned the Zero Water pitcher. Did you remineralize the water or does it work directly in the machine?

[@nissanguy16]

Londinium…. When’s the video of the Faema behind you?

[@darylfortney8081]

Guy’s serious when he tattoos a lever machine on his arm… that’s how you know 😅

[@lextr3110]

this or ct2? any grease touching the water and if yes can we use something like coconut oil

[@pauldaplayfulpanda3042]

Another great video! Are we getting a meticulous review once the final version releases? Tough decision between argos and meticulous currently

[@azza2575]

I had the same dilemma, went for the argos. What swayed it for me is the hands on experience. I ordered the transducer as well, I might not be able to get exactly the same workflow as the Meticulous but tbh, I'm ok with that! I also think the argos looks better as well and a smaller footprint! I'm also sceptical about quality management for Meticulous, they haven't shipped any yet and there are a lot of orders to get through, that worries me!

[@Kongo0tto]

If I had more thumbs you would get all of them for your deep dives! As soon as I have to wait around 6 months instead of 2 years on an Argos I will consider buying one. One off topic question came to my mind, are you adding anything to your ZeroWater or do you use it as it is? all the best form Germany

[@Paul-bx5cb]

Would you rather buy the argos or the londinium vectis?

[@Dis236]

A question that's a bit unrelated but occured to me while watching the video: Based on this do you think it's okay to do a fellini shot on teh flair58? It would be much slower of course because you need to pull up, pour water and then press again, but it shouldn't disrupt the puck either if I'm correct. This is of course theoretical because it's pretty rare to want to fellini a f58, because it can do around a 60g shot, but I was just interested on your take on this.

[@clyde2801]

THIS or a used Cremina for twice the cost?

[@DrSurf-fx4gf]

👍! 😎

[@DanFlynn]

Sweet! Another Lance video coffee weekend!

[@OrcadianOtter]

Cool

[@raghanbari]

Lance, not sure if you've covered this before, but how effective/impactful are step down baskets (58mm -> 49mm for example) with something like the Argos?

[@Phil_OG]

Maybe I missed it... What is the maximum yield [g] for one shot?

[@sprolever]

40/42 grams.

[@Phil_OG]

@@sprolever Thanks. Dang that's a bit little: Wish it was more.

[@francis-gagnon]

It’s more with a mini fellini move. Lance explains it very well in the first video.

[@Phil_OG]

Found it. Thx

[@83Goldy]

Second here. 😊 Good morning buddy.

[@cheekster777]

Yo!

[@SergioGonzalezMartin]

I'm sorry Lance, but your explanations about heat sinking material and heat retention material are wrong.

[@Thezoiz7]

How so?

[@The8c9]

How many shots does an a average home user pull in direct succession? Maybe two 99% of the time? I guess the Argos was not designed for more than that anyways, looking at the size of the boiler. I know we are looking for perfection here but a bit of an reality check could help, no?

[@LanceHedrickUnfiltered]

Uhhh I'd say that isn't accurate. People very often pull more than 2 in a row when dialing in a bean. Reality check is very few can dial a new coffee in 2 pulls.

[@The8c9]

@@LanceHedrickUnfiltered I absolutely agree with you on this point! Where I would argue that "dialing in" is a peak experience as well. Since most dial in a new bag of beans only ones a week or even ones every two weeks? I guess you would agree that someone who tastes/ dials in 5 different coffees a day is better off investing in a Strietman CT2?