Off The Cuff with Jaithirth Rao & Gurcharan Das

[@srinjansaha2480]

Very rare to see economics being discussed philosophically in India. Wonderful discussion.

[@jawaharsolai4303]

Highly intellectual discussion. An hour is not enough for this talk.

[@SubashCV]

Brilliant conversation. Grateful. Bapu’s teachings more relevant today. Trusteeship is one of my fav Gandhian thought.

[@warrenjacob2701]

Just placed an order on kindle for this book. Jerry Rao and Gurcharan Das are have always inspired me during the days when I lived in India and was doing a corporate job. With no utube then, I only heard about them from friends I had in Citi and P&G to feed on my inspiration.

[@silent_traveller7]

Amazing interview, will definitely read the book. Gandhi is the greatest Indian in modern times and we must try to understand him and not judge him for the flaws we all have.

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

Gandhi... U mean the politician among saints, or the saint among politicians? India has given the planet Śrīla A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, who is the greatest among saints and sages, but the way India treated him, it's best not to say he was Indian. Best to say he is a modern Vaikuntha ambassador, for he was the general in the mission of Sri Caitanya Mahāprabhu, humanitarian, and propagator of the movement for all people of all races, ages, genders, births and denominations. Rao was bold enough to get an article out about the Bhagavad-Gita, with a photo of the edition translated by His Divine Grace Śrīla Prabhupada, but not noble enough to give credit to Prabhupada. That's why India has no clue to date about their real welfare work to be taken seriously.

[@akashtiwari5729]

This was such a treat to listen to 💜🙌🏻 thank you!

[@nitishsingh8005]

Have more episodes like these. Wonderful. Learnt so many new things and it motivated me to read even more. Away from all the common debates and terminologies that we hear all the time, this was unique and refreshing. Credit to Shekhar Gupta for patiently listening and letting these two discuss the topic.

[@shantakaram1]

What a pleasanr Surprise! Jerry Rao who was occupying Corner Office of CITI Bank in Air India Building nat Nariman Point in Mumbai in 80S writing a well researched book: Economist Gandhi clearing several misconceptions. Thanks Shekhar Guptaji and Guruchararan Das ji for this intellectually stimulating Discussion.

[@babkamath]

Loved the episode, actually learned a lot from this talk , thanks Print, really appreciate it

[@vhyomet620]

Delightful conversation, full of erudition! I would classify Gandhi ji as more of a pragmatist than anything else - and of course, as the great Rudolphs have argued - postmodern!

[@mahendrakumarsai1178]

I really loved how sekhar uncle is calmly listening to what's going on, with full attention and nodding of head in between. I read a lot of people criticizing him on Twitter,but he to me seems a really cool old man proud of the way he lived his life and friends he made and is not shy of showing off (and I personally believe that there is nothing wrong with it, although I myself live totally opposite of it). Cool man, in short very likeable. Keep it on sir.

[@Moodus55]

Some years ago, watching CNN in USA, a man was being interviewed by Fareed Zakaria. The show was in its last few minutes. I did not know this man. Had never heard or seen him before. Being fond of Horoscope, I noticed the similarity of persona and told my wife sitting beside me that this man is someone like me. “We are similar” I exclaimed. The CNN show ended and I never got to catch the name of this person. Later in the day, I investigated through the web on who the guest was at the Fareed Zakaria show and found out that it was Gulcharan Das. Born 12 years before I did exactly on same day and only 50 miles or so away from where I was born. We shared the same date of birth according to Greek astrology but also had a double match as we shared the sign per Chinese astrology too. A Libra/Sheep combo. My instant feeling of being a similar person had turned out right. My wife was in disbelief at my perfect guess. I wrote an email to Gulcharan Das about this and he acknowledged. Maybe he remembers 🙂. Anyway I thought someone might find this story interesting. I was born in Pakistan before I moved to USA in 1977 for my education.

[@seshacook]

I am sorry. This is the only video on your channel I couldn't bear to go on with till the end. I am aware of my prejudices, my strong views on Gandhi. That said, I do not agree that Gandhi's ideas were original. You can give it any name. The fact of the matter is it's simple economics of return on wealth. Financial returns continue to excite you for a certain length of time, and then you wonder why that's not giving you the same joy as it did the day before. It's at that point you switch to a different / higher (if you agree with Maslow) forms of return. I have worked in the development space and I understood that the "social" investment of the rich is not necessarily selfless, nor does it always spring from a moral obligation to the society. They very often chase a different chimera. I am completely for it. Just because the rich are doing it to please themselves does not take away the beneficiaries' lot improving from the formers' action. In summary, it's part and parcel of basic economics which you are taught in high school- law of returns that govern the actions of people, consciously or unconsciously.

[@sheoranviren]

Gandhi's entire thought- political and economic- was based on the centrality of villages. I think any such discussion is incomplete without mentioning Gram Swaraj.

[@poushalinag7942]

Gandhi believed in People's power and trade rather than Government trade. His empathais on manufacturing local goods shows his interest to strengthen manufacturing sector. Rather than heavy industries that we had just after independence which was a clossal disasterous step. If u see every country which grew from nothing, Singapore,China, Vietnam they have grown from focusing and strengthing local manufacturing and exporting everyday goods in the first step.

[@rajendrasahoo7095]

Thank you shekhar sir , good to hear about such a different OC blessed to hear about Gandhiji such a beautiful insight from intelects.

[@dhruvma]

My IQ went up few points just listening to this - wonderful discussion 👍

[@mkonduru]

In today’s world of tit bit news which make headlines , a deep context and conversation which this interview brings reminds me of old schools days. Thank you learnt a lot about Gandhi’s philosophy and British common law . About to get into the book 📖. Thank you for spending a decade and writing this book .

[@user-bh6mz2kf6o]

Economist gandhi and also religious gandhi.It is almost shocking that how mahatma gandhis image is molded into a symbol of peace etc. But very few see that how much religion he was, his ideology was result of his deep understanding of hindu religious, he was always into preserveing our culture while also in getting rid discrimination in it , but this side of him is never shown. Thats why he was more into sardar being pm than nehru but he didn't wanted Congress to be divided

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

Gandhi was uneducated in the sacred scriptures of his own birth nation. On top of that it was not his non-violent ideals that gained indepence, it was the brave concerted efforts of Subash Candra Bose that forced the British to flee. Gandhi ji may have been a poster guy for the Gītā, and the name of Rāma, but that doesn't mean a whole lot in the realm of spiritual upliftment of the population. India suffers deeply from false pride in the wrong idols. Maybe that's all that the country deserves, now , as it scrambles madly to copycat Western materialistic society.

[@jaykumar_khot]

WTH is secular moksha? 🤣 part 2 might be secular heaven and secular hell!

[@AKumar-co7oe]

people who are still believing in skydaddies are outside the realm of this conversation

[@jaykumar_khot]

@@AKumar-co7oe i am an athiest myself but i still feel tweaking philosophies of one school of thought to make them secular seems like infringement of intellectual property rights. Cultural appropriation of sorts. Not a bad idea but a grey area for me.

[@sikkimaamapoliticalanalyst3387]

wonderful job shekher jee hats off

[@Vizorfam]

Gandhiji the father of our nation the man, the visionary the messiah of downtrodden, no wonder Britishers feared this man, someone who gave his everything for people of the country, he will be remembered and loved for decades to come ,he preached core of Hinduism to tolerate everything!

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

The Brits didn't fear Gandhi enough to leave because of his "non violence", they left out of fear of Subash Candra Bose, and his brave army.

[@shyamanandjha]

Gurucharan does not seem to have read the book, he went on bluffing through out the conversation.

[@vinaymehta8200]

INDIA SHOULD DO CONSCIOUS CAPITALISM - Vasudeva Kutubakam

[@pocoboy68]

In gujarat we had mahajan sysyem which based on this principle. Mahajan take care of their employee, local temple/derasar and Gaushala. In our shop we add a 'lago' of few paisa to raise thi fund and deliver to local mahajan which use this money for social welfare. This system is not bound bu any govt rule but it has solid control over local business community. Unfortunately this system is dying down with advent of modern western system and less effective.

[@vinaymehta8200]

The good capitalist western European missionary said to Native Americans: ‘What I delivered to you were sacred truths; but what you tell me is mere fable, fiction, and falsehood.’ The Indian, offended, replied: ‘My brother, it seems your friends have not done you justice in your education; they have not well instructed you in the rules of common civility. You saw that we, who understand and practice those rules, believed all your stories; why do you refuse to believe ours?” ― Benjamin Franklin, Remarks Concerning the Savages

[@Skyboy564]

Gurcharan was about to expound on an excellent point about the difference between a capitalist and a counselor, when Shekhar interrupted him to get his question across

[@koteshwardobhal5265]

Congratulations on arranging for this sublime debate in which you chose to be lssser empowered.

[@rameshbhat8216]

Impressive Bouquet and variety of topics in Cut the Clutter! Subscribed and agree to pay to receive quality news /views/opinions... Better than the Ravan channel(s)...

[@pramodkrishnamurthy3707]

Jerry Rao starts by saying that he was seriously anti Gandhi and now has made a 180 degree turn. I close this video here. These guys don't know shit

[@ganeshgp9167]

Please get J Sai deepak on Off the cuff

[@gagak1557]

We can learn a 1000 things from Gandhi in case of Education, that needs immediate implementation. Obviously village economy needs focus, must and must strengthen panchayats. Individuals should start taking responsibility and not leave things on the government.

[@ankursingh9548]

INDIA UNBOUND by gurucharan das changed the way i used to see the world, one of the greatest books ever written

[@MrRk540]

If you do not know things do not make things up!!! Gurucharan Das is way off in his interpretation of the Gita. When Das claims the Nazi's used Karmanye Vaa Adhikarasthe to justify their actions. It was all for the Glory of the Reich!!!! The Gita is not in the Glory of anyone. The said stanza just says let not the fruits of labor alone be the motivation to do a deed. It also goes on to say Inaction is also not admissible. Most of these folks that claim intellectual status should let things be and not quote rubbish!!!!!!! I am not sure what Das wa drinking.

[@gagak1557]

🙄 he said that really, how foolish

[@mohantysobhi]

What the Gita actually points at, is to put the burden of dharma on the head of the action doer. Which is where the principle of karma comes in. The Gita is not prescriptive. If that core of Vedantic philosophy has escaped you, you might want to re-read these texts.

[@MrRk540]

@@mohantysobhi That is not the point. Please go listen to what Gurucharan Das said!!!! The specific shloka from the Gita says and means exactly what I have outlined. Prescriptive or otherwise, the meaning does not change.

[@mohantysobhi]

@@MrRk540 The whole point of something not being prescriptive is, interpretation DOES change. First of all, the Maharabharata was written from the perspective of the Puru tribe or dynasty, hence the idea of "dharma" in this case meant something specific as seen from their perspective within the framework of what Arjuna had to do as his duty. It is not the fault of the Mahabharata or Gita if the Nazis subvert it to justify their ethnic cleansing. A number of European ethnocentric fascists used the idea of Indic civilization and Sanskrit to justify their race superiority. The Mahabharata and the Gita are extremely well known in the western historical and philosophical world, and many people have quoted or used it, for good and bad reasons. Like the Sun, the Gita exists. What you do with sunlight or with the words of the Gita, is your or my own karma.

[@bindurao3463]

People who have never read the bhagwad Geeta should just shut up and not comment on it

[@tabrezhussaini3241]

Gandhi speaking about children inheritance and trusteeship sounds so hypocritical! I am great admirer of Gandhi for his political thought and ethical stands but when it comes to family and inheritance even his name is being used by a family who is not even remotely related to him for their own gain! Bottom line if u don’t want to give children wealth why have children ? they didn’t ask their parents to be born so why trouble them with the pains of this world? There is a moral dilemma of making them incompetent that’s understandable but the effort to make then competent has also to come from the parents!

[@Drganguli]

Gandhi said and did many things so it is easy to create narratives from selected comments

[@rudrashah996]

Top10 richest Indian own 50% of country's wealth. Wealth gap is rapidly increasing between rich and poor. Is it good for a country with 1.4 billion people?

[@Vizorfam]

No it's not that is why we have to shut this entrepreneurship thinking in this country people should take low wage govt jobs or work for existing companies only this is harmful for youth

[@vipulbarnwal]

For india 40.5% of wealth is with 1%,top 10% own 72.5 according to a moneycontrol article I read. The top 10 thing is a usa wala thing

[@vipulbarnwal]

Also for india of 136 crore ,1% people means 1.36 crore

[@poushalinag7942]

If there is no wealth, there is no wealth distribution. If there is too much stress on wealthy, there is no growth . After some time, the wealthy will also stop investing or producing because if they fail, still they have to pay may too much. Socialism in any country will always ensure that people of that country remains in poverty.

[@vinaymehta8200]

its the western way of capitalism with no spirituality in it.

[@sahilkarir8404]

Yesterday, I saw a video, where a man said very interesting thing, In upcoming state elections , Let’s everyone from respective states, file nomination as independent candidate for elections of MLAs. There can be as many candidates as much possible. There is no limit on it. Let’s teach some basic lessons to election commission of india and political parties…

[@Vizorfam]

And these people will not get sufficient votes this is not how things work

[@sahilkarir8404]

@@Vizorfam Of course they won’t. But there will be a strong message for politicians who think they can easily fool down the citizens and get away from their duties.

[@sahilkarir8404]

@@Vizorfam What if their insufficient votes , when joint together, May give rise to a majority, and other political parties will be thinking , “we have been fucked up by ordinary citizens”… 🤣🤣

[@HarishNair2211]

@@sahilkarir8404 they will just end up losing their money lmao

[@sahilkarir8404]

@@HarishNair2211 Sometimes it’s good to lose money to teach lessons to the goons.

[@sahilkarir8404]

I believe india , would have been in a much better position , if gandhi ji or some other highly educated freedom fighters had inserted few mandatory provisions like minimum educational qualification for politicians, political parties manifestos be notified from district magistrates that all promises have been fulfilled , ban on convicted politicians from fighting elections, and much more in our constitution…

[@Vizorfam]

They thought at least the people of this country in future must themselves be having some common sense on how to elect a leader they already had so many things in their mind, some responsibility citizens should also take

[@sahilkarir8404]

@@Vizorfam Of course. In democracy, there is indirect whole responsibility of citizens only. Politicians can get away easily . They will enjoy their retirement perks and benefits anyhow even if they fail to deliver which they eventually do fail everytime.

[@sahilkarir8404]

@@Vizorfam In India’s democracy , there are no checks and balances for politicians. They are not accountable for almost anything.

[@Vizorfam]

@@sahilkarir8404 yep agreed, I think the solution of this mess is more youngsters should become politicians and work on collective improvement of the nation

[@actuallysatyambhartee]

@@Vizorfam won't change anythings

[@vinaymehta8200]

White American Wealth is Built on Slavery and Genocide and stealing Native land Building a commercial enterprise out of the wilderness required labor and lots of it. For much of the 1600s, the American colonies operated as agricultural economies, driven largely by indentured servitude. Most workers were poor, unemployed laborers from Europe who, like others, had traveled to North America for a new life. In exchange for their work, they received food and shelter, a rudimentary education and sometimes a trade. By 1680, the British economy improved and more jobs became available in Britain. During this time, slavery had become a morally, legally and socially acceptable institution in the colonies. As the number of European laborers coming to the colonies dwindled, enslaving Africans became a commercial necessity-and more widely acceptable. With ideal climate and available land, property owners in the southern colonies began establishing plantation farms for cash crops like rice, tobacco and sugar cane-enterprises that required increasing amounts of labor. To meet the need, wealthy planters turned to traders, who imported ever more human chattel to the colonies, the vast majority from West Africa. As more enslaved Africans were imported and an upsurge in fertility rates expanded the “inventory,” a new industry was born: the slave auction. These open markets where humans were inspected like animals and bought and sold to the highest bidder proved an increasingly lucrative enterprise. By the mid-19th century, a skilled, able-bodied enslaved person could fetch up to $2,000, although prices varied by the state. Slave auction circa 1861 Economic Necessity Trumps Morality Slave labor had become so entrenched in the Southern economy that nothing-not even the belief that all men were created equal-would dislodge it. When delegates to the Constitutional Convention met in Philadelphia in the summer of 1787, they were split on the moral question of human bondage and man’s inhumanity to man, but not on its economic necessity. At the time, there were nearly 700,000 enslaved people living in the United States, worth many millions in today’s dollars.

[@mknarula]

i strongly believe india would have been a lot different today, had he lived a few more years

[@Vizorfam]

Exactly he preached love and respect for everyone, he was a saint and sacrificed himself for this nation

[@ajaypanwar592]

Yes he preached that even one group is massacred right from 1921 to 1947 by other group should be more tolerant and take all these killings for social harmony and should not speak or retaliate . I want to ask you DB that if you about the other person very well that this person will not stop from doing from what he was doing , what you will do to save yourself , imagine one day you turn came for sacrifice .

[@ravinw8]

@@ajaypanwar592 He said no such thing. Please take this bigotry to some other channel

[@ajaypanwar4005]

@@ravinw8 on this channel only in the same program vikram sampat has came and talked about his books ,do not remain ostrich and listen and read each and every books and views . Even car tyres require wheel balancing .

[@speedbird109]

I will support anybody going to heaven. No issue. Just somebody rich 🤑 could transfer his/her “liquid TRUST” to my account. It would be swell.

[@puneetsaraf1658]

This discussion was a bunch of gobbledygook. India has moved past Gandhi and Nehru.

[@vinaymehta8200]

How can we dismiss our past?

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

" Forget the past that sleeps and never the future dream at all, but live in times that are with thee, and progress thee shall call. " (Written by Bhaktivinode Thakur, magistrate of Puri temple, author of over 100 books, great Vaisnava acarya.)

[@umeshparikh]

First I thought this book was about Rahul the economist. It turned out to be worse! Wonder what goes on in people's minds to write such books! They say poverty should be eradicated. Then when a poor guy becomes rich, they say the guy should be eradicated.

[@tarunjain1537]

Your channels always glory anti-national cabal historian like Gurucharan

[@Pulkit535]

Honestly most of the discussion sounds like wishful thinking. With no practical application