Off The Rails: British Rail Travelling Pub

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@machosker Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the quite unique slice of British railway history. I think a few rail tours could do with one of these. A steam engine up front and a few real ales in some comfy chairs.

@ewhurstgreen Жыл бұрын

Very enjoyable - thank you! 7892 ‘The White Horse’ (paired with 7833), 7893 ‘The Jolly Tar’ (paired with 7834), 7884 ‘The Dolphin’ (paired with 7835) & 7895 ‘The Bull’ (paired with 7836) were outshopped new Eastleigh Works 21st May 1949. 7896 ‘The Salutation’ (paired with 7837) & 7897 ‘The Three Plovers’ (paired with 7838) were outshopped new Eastleigh Works 16th June 1949. 7898 ‘The Green Man’ (paired with 7839) & 7899 ‘The Crown’ (later ‘The George and Dragon’) (paired with7840) were outshopped new Eastleigh Works 17th June 1949. Pub signs stated ‘At the sign of the White Horse’ and so on. The lining depicting brickwork was painted over at Lancing Carriage Works as follows: S7892S 30th January 1951, S7893S 2nd April 1951, S7894S 20th March 1952, S7895S 6th April 1951, S7896S 20th June 1951, S7897S 9th November 1951, S7898S 9th March 1951, S7899S 4th December 1950, Cars were repainted into Southern Region Green at Lancing Carriage Works in 1956 (S7898S), 1957 (S7892S-S7896S & S7899S) and 1958 (S7897S) thence converted (modernised) being outshopped from Lancing Carriage Works as follows: S7892S 16th June 1959, S7893S 18th February 1960, S7894S 8th June 1960, S7895S 25th March 1960, S7896S 9th June 1959, S7897S 11th December 1959, S7898S 7th January 1960, S7899S 22nd April 1960.

@archstanton5603 Жыл бұрын

Fascinating details - thank you!

@borderlands6606 3 ай бұрын

Bear in mind the people who complained about the tavern car's styling, would be the same who eulogised the construction of tower blocks, and probably advocated for the demolition of St Pancras station.

@TSR1989FF 3 ай бұрын

Aye. Such "people" destroyed / ruined more of Britain than the Luftwaffe in six years of total war 😅

@iankemp1131 7 ай бұрын

I always thought this was an ingenious and not unreasonable idea, maybe ahead of its time. Look how popular traditional country pubs became from the 1970s onwards. Real ale trains on BR! The architects who complained ... ah yes, the ones who gave us concrete tower blocks etc. With some tweaks (larger windows and better ventilation from the start) the idea might have caught on. They were officially called "Tavern cars".

@rocksreynolds3642 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for introducing me to a bit of BR history I didn’t previously know.

@metropod Жыл бұрын

I mean the concept would work pretty well if you didn’t care about the decorations. We had the “Bar Car” here in New York on Metro-North Railroad’s New Haven Line up until 2014, when the car class they were apart of were retired. They were standard “M-series” EMU bodies with the windows on one side removed, a bar that ran the length between the doors on that side, lounge style seating at the ends with poles with cup holders. I only rode in one once, on a Saturday morning. I had been traveling up to visiting someone in Connecticut, leaving the subway towards grand central I had tripped on the stairs. I buy my ticket and start walking, well, limping, down the platform when I notice this weird car with a blank side wall. The lounge seating was perfect for resting my ankle, and the conductor was fine with it so long as I let my shoe hang over the edge so it wouldn’t touch the seat.

@danbernstein4694 Жыл бұрын

yes i remember the bar cars as well on the White Plains line. There were great idea for a more civilized time.

@glen1555 2 ай бұрын

Saw part of the Ealing comedy, the Titfield thunderbolt yesterday on BBC, which is set in the same era, and they had a carriage that resembled a lounge bar, sold Ushers beer.

@SEANSMART30 Жыл бұрын

Cool -most trains have had a buffet car which sell beers, wines and spirits. Yet this takes it one step further.

@oddball_the_blue 3 ай бұрын

However.... there is still a travelling pub on the UK's rails to this day. Specifically the heritage line 'Keighley and Worth Valley' still has a pub carriage that's especially popular during the annual 'Keighley and Worth Valley beer festival' - think multiple stations with bars at each of them ending at the museum shed with a large selection of beers on cask to imbibe.

@1258-Eckhart Жыл бұрын

They did have design faults, which you outlined at the end of your review, some even quite grievous (e.g. ventilation), but these were not the ones criticised in the Times letter from the Great and the Good of the design establishment. Citing architectural motifs such as brickwork panels is something R. Furneaux-Jordan's members were then doing on a daily basis (with their "Tudor" semis) just as falsely. In the case of a railway carriage, I would expect the affectation to be taken with a modicum of humour and passed over with levity.

@MrVorpalsword Жыл бұрын

Surely most of the bricks in Tudorbethan semis were actually real bricks and the timber beams were really wooden. That Messrs Goodhart Rendel etc. were roused to have a go at the carriages shows just how WELL designed nearly all the other rolling stock was on BR. The least you expected then was for a train carriage to match the one in front of it and the one behind it. The interiors looked woeful in these photos IMO. coach interiors usually so carefully considered, not to say 'avant garde'.

@1258-Eckhart Жыл бұрын

Bulleid's beams were real timber too. The bricks on the semis were real ok, but not loadbearing, just decorative, so same difference. @@MrVorpalsword

@MrVorpalsword Жыл бұрын

No, the bricks were loadbearing on Tudorbethan Semis@@1258-Eckhart . In Brick houses now and in commercial buildings, they may be clad in bricks, but the bricks are seldom loadbearing. An inner-leaf of concrete blocks holds the floors and roof up .... or in bigger buildings its a steel frame. (the brick houses of the London suburbs and all over the country until 1945 generally had solid 9' brick walls, that held them up) ..... it was the black painted external timber that didn't contribute structurally. Those carriages were twee, insincere design, patronising the prospective patrons and as such, bad design .... Goodhart Rendel was a half decent architect, he would never have stooped so low, and I don't think he did.

@iankemp1131 7 ай бұрын

I'm sure the architects who signed the letter were equally sniffy about mock-Tudor semis. No! Let's have wonderful concrete tower blocks that everyone will want to live in, similarly "functional" railway stations like Euston, and glass skyscraper offices that tuned out to be even worse for ventilation than the Tavern cars and had to be equipped with shades and air conditioning at vast expense (and also cost to the planet ...)

@HeavyRayne Жыл бұрын

Love this series

@user-jw3vy3kf5f 3 ай бұрын

Inter City 125 Dining Car.... The world's fastest pint! (Draught too!)

@joshuaW5621 Жыл бұрын

We should get more videos on the named train services. These are very fascinating.

@petersmith4455 3 ай бұрын

hi. Mr Bullied should also be remembered for electric locos 20001,20002, and 20003 in conjuction with Mr Raworth

@laurenceskinnerton73 Жыл бұрын

An interesting idea.

@user-xh3lz9xt4l Жыл бұрын

Dont forget the Jazz Train out of Liverpool Street top

@jimihendrix991 4 ай бұрын

1.5p for a coffee... 9p for a pint... 10p for a rum...

@Narrowgaugefilms 3 ай бұрын

This is Exactly How they got Mr. Valentine to invest in saving the Titfield-Mallingford branch in that Movie! -Truth usually is stranger than Fiction, but in this case I'm calling it a tie!

@zaraNFC 24 күн бұрын

Not a bad concept without the kitsch.

@kevanhubbard9673 9 ай бұрын

I wonder if Lord Inman was related to John Inman of "I'm free!"fame?

@railwaymechanicalengineer4587 9 ай бұрын

OFF THE RAILS - INACCURATE NONSENSE AGAIN !!! Jack Stackhouse is Off the Rails Again !!! It WAS NOT the bar cars that aroused so much complaint, as the COMPANION Dining Cars, referred to by customers as "Padded Cells". As is CLEARLY INDICATED in the programme at 4:20. Where the Bar Car seen at Exeter Central station, is clearly in Green livery. So this has to be a Post June 1956 picture. The vehicle STILL with bar sign, and otherwise NOT yet modified, around 10 YEARS after its construction !!! Further the supposed "Interior Remodelling" seen at 4:27 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BULLEIDS TAVERN CARS AT ALL, as it shows the interior of a 4BUF Electric Multiple Unit "Bognor Buffet" in original 1938 configuration. 4 BUF Electric Multiple Units, operated services from Victoria to Bognor Regis via Sutton, Horsham & Arundel. It was the claustrophobic Companion Dinning Cars, often referred too as "Padded Cells", particularly by 1st Class passengers, that caused the problems. These were reconstructed from 1951 (when still in Carmine & Cream livery), as Restaurant Composite Opens (RCO). By having large closely spaced windows installed, with cream curtains added, and the seating changed to normal tables with loose chairs. NOTE: These Bar & Dining car "TAVERN SETS" were always operated in traditional Southern manner, in FIXED PAIRS. Indeed they DID NOT have Buffers between them, so as to ensure operation staff COULD NOT uncouple them. Being Southern they had Buckeye couplings & Pullman Gangway connections, so DID NOT NEED BUFFERS if they were too work as a permanently coupled PAIR. 80% of ALL SR coaching stock were operated in CLEARLY MARKED, PERMANENTLY coupled SETS, in a similar fashion to their hundreds of EMU'S !!!!! The other 20% of Southern coaches were known as "LOOSE" vehicles. Which included many of the Open 3rds, which became 2nds in 1957. These being strategically allocated to various stations so they could be added to overcrowded services. Details of every set & "Loose" vehicle, could be found in the Carriage Working Notice Appendices (CWNA) issued at least twice a year until 1965. This internal document listed EVERY SET, the vehicles within the set, & their position within the SET. As well as all the "Loose" vehicles. It also showed to what route each SET was allocated too. These old documents can still be found today in the numerous railway specialist secondhand book shops. Or some of this huge amount of info' can be found by joining the "Southern Railway Email Group" as a member!!! For the Record I am an ex senior BR Engineer, who worked on the Southern & Western Regions.

@drivelikeyouknowthem 9 ай бұрын

Ok ok calm down...

@iankemp1131 7 ай бұрын

Well, that's interesting and useful info, but you don't have to shout it. (That's what using CAPITAL LETTERS signifies). And multiple exclamation marks !!!!

@oldgoat5589 5 ай бұрын

Hrumphhh...

@robertp.wainman4094 3 ай бұрын

Great 'British Railways' - can you imagine any of the money grabbing operators of trains in Britain today doing anything similar today?

@slowlydrowninginirrelevance 3 ай бұрын

Just bizarre and like all public transport from that time they must of stunk.

@althejazzman 3 ай бұрын

A pub on a train is not such a terrible idea. Many heritage railways have beer festivals with bars on the train. One railway has a RAT! Real Ale Train.