The Patriots Are Stuck in the Stone Age

In 2000, there was this technology sweeping the nation called the internet and the world wide web, and during week 3 of the 2000 NFL season, the Minnesota Vikings were planning on hosting a webcast of the game on their website, just as they had done without issue for every game thus far. And the New England Patriots, seemingly not knowing what this was, refused to allow the Vikings to do it, leading to a massive conflict between the two sides that needs a deep dive
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[@MarkVrem]

I can't share this one to older Patriots fans, cause they don't know how most of the internet works either.

[@fsanmiguel666]

And they're not getting used to losing records either

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

Older Patriots lived through the Rod Rust era. We've seen some $#!+ ​@@fsanmiguel666

[@user-rb3pk8ci6o]

As a Pats fan myself, I love the Pats current radio booth, so I appreciate the intro to this video. The radio broadcasts are amazing.

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another broadcasting controversy in the Patriots-Vikings game in 2006.

[@TGrrr89]

13:19 Something like that actually happened in the NHL this past season - a game in Buffalo got postponed due to heavy snow and in turn stranded the TNT announce crew. So instead, a game between the Panthers and Red Wings got slotted in and was called from the TNT studio.

[@TheNinjakat2010]

gonna guess people are wondering why an nfl team played an NHL team... 😂😂😂 yes I hate the panthers as an NHL team. killed my bruins

[@TGrrr89]

@@TheNinjakat2010 Are you referring to the times when broadcasters have used the wrong "Panthers" logo?

[@TheNinjakat2010]

@@TGrrr89 didn't even know that happened.. fuck media

[@msarzo]

That story gives hard core Billy Sullivan energy

[@kurtcrowley9372]

Do a deep dive into Lee Hacksaw Hamilton, who lasted one preseason game as Vikings PBP announcer in 2001 while Larry Fitzgerald Sr. did a deep dive into racially insensitive comments he made on his San Diego radio talk show over a 15-year period. Vikings hired Paul Allen the following year and the rest is history. BTW - was driving around Minneapolis when Blair Walsh missed the field goal in the Wild Card game. Nearly drove my car into a snow bank laughing at Allen's call.

[@mgb4692]

Ah yes, Hacksaw Lee. An exciting hire for the Hawks if only cause he was replacing the abysmally dull Steve Thomas (not the one who hosted This Old House after Bob Vila but it might as well have been), unfortunately 15 minutes of him doing a game wasn't the same as his highlight reel, so he was one and done and was replaced by the far superior Brian Davis then Raible moved over. Though much like Dave Niehaus, Pete Gross was an all-timer and would have gone out sometime in the last decade had he got to do so on his own (F cancer), and Raible--the Rick Rizzs of the unit--would have moved over then. Which meant no Hamilton, ever.

[@lonewolfjedi493osswfan]

I’m sure Grossi will appreciate the shoutout. As far as the story goes, I used to turn the sound off during national broadcasts of the Lakers and Dodgers so I could hear two legendary broadcasters, Chick Hearn for Laker games and Vin Scully for Dodgers games, heck, people used to take radios to Dodger Stadium just to hear Vin, I don’t know if they still do after his retirement and subsequent passing, though. However, today, I’d rather watch Tom Grossi’s commentary rather than the broadcast of the NFL

[@CTubeMan]

Bill King?

[@Ilkeyrion]

"And Lovie's thrown the flag again...WHY?!" My favorite Jeff Joniak comment ever

[@chrisguardiano6143]

This is very similar to what happened 3 years later during a 3rd Round FA Cup tie between Southampton & Tottenham. Like with the Vikings-Patriots game, there were multiple options to follow the action. The first (and most expensive) was to watch the match on Sky Sports via their PPV service since they had the rights to it. The other was to listen on the radio via the BBC on BBC Radio Southampton or BBC Radio 5 if you lived anywhere else in England. Due to the fact that Sky Sports had put the match behind a paywall, Southampton decided to offer a free webcast (more like a live stream since they would have a camera crew film the match) to their supporters who couldn't attend in person. However Tottenham threw a massive fit when they heard about this as their TV crew for Spurs TV (the team's TV channel) who were filming footage of the match for the weekly magazine/highlights show would likely be kicked out by the live stream crew. Tottenham asked the FA to ban Southampton from live streaming the match which the FA did not do mainly because Southampton was the home team & had the right to do whatever they wanted in terms of giving media credentials. The Spurs TV crew even if they were allowed into the stadium likely would have not gotten much positive highlights to show as their team got thrashed 4-0 by Southampton in one of the most embarrassing performances Tottenham has ever put on in the FA Cup.

[@soapsatellite]

Spurs gonna Spurs

[@JeremyCaron]

You raised the point of how early this was in the digital transformation, but totally discount the Patriots legitimate right to question if they could get in trouble for breach of contract by allowing the stream. There was a lot to figure out on both sides back then.

[@KyleCaughlin]

As somebody who has sport sidecasting, I can confirm trying to call a game strictly off a TV screen does indeed have it's difficulties. Especially when you have to mute the TV Audio to prevent a copyright strike. The toughest sport to call strictly off a TV Screen is Hockey. Unless you memorize the players faces or studied the players number enough to know who they are, it's hard as hell to describe what's going on.

[@hughesmovesgaming8748]

Bro you really do sound like Ian eagle! Great video as always man

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

Thanks! Really appreciate it. Love Ian

[@PowerPackers90]

My dad would do this all the time with radio when announcers he didnt like would call the game. But I can't complain because I now just listen to Tom' Grossi's livestream

[@MrTim2031]

Back when I lived in the Philly market, 94.1 WYSP would run ads encouraging viewers to “Turn down the sound, and turn up Merrill (Resse) and Mike (Quick)”

[@CTubeMan]

Big fan of MerrillReese.

[@mrmoose6619]

This makes me wonder how old the Patriots contract with WBZ was at the time to not contemplate an internet broadcast like the Vikings had...

[@theminuteman3460]

Even as a Patriots fan, this pisses me off a bit.

[@fsanmiguel666]

Not as much as seeing them with multiple losing records for the first time in your life, I bet! 🤣🤣🤣

[@theminuteman3460]

I was more disappointed than anything

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

​@@fsanmiguel666 we squished you fish for like 2 whole decades. It's really not that big of a deal.

[@seanlanglois8620]

​@fsanmiguel666 they sucked threw most the 90s

[@TheNinjakat2010]

​@@holstorrsceadus1990umm 1-1 on the season isn't squished

[@randytracy1742]

Well, there was one team that didn’t understand how the internet worked and it was the patriots! The title of the video says it just right! 😊😊😊😊😊

[@classicrockbeagle]

Aw darn! You got my hopes up, I was hoping this was a review about the new coaching staff turning to 3 yards and a cloud of dust and straightforward kickers. One can dream. #splitendsforever

[@Jdw7643]

Radio while watching baseball is 100%, sometimes the radio broadcast is so much better

[@Rambam1776]

My local commentators on the radio are brilliant. I challenge anyone reading this to name any current broadcast team on national TV that doesn't suck. They're not just mediocre, they outright suck. There is nobody left on national TV that isn't absolutely 100% fucking dreadful. And don't even get me started on the halftime shows. Terry Bradshaw needs to be forcibly retired, preferably to the bottom of the ocean.

[@strongereveryday2302]

You need to calm down. It's just a game and it's completely irrelevant to actual real life

[@billymayshere6128]

I mean, I get to listen to Paul Allen that man is a commentary treat.

[@rngfootball759]

1st year under Bill. Defense was ok but offense was quite atrocious. Back when cmgi now gillette was under construction. Roster wise, it is one of weaker ones in the Kraft era due to poor drafting and had cap issues. Had Kevin Faulk and JR Redmond leading the RB room, no TE with East Boston's Jermaine Wiggins on roster since Ben Coates I think was a cap casualty

[@cmdrflake]

Listening to Gil and Gino wasn’t bad. They played it straight and professional. Gino engaged in some cheerleading, but hey, I’m a long time Pats fan!

[@nirvanabutnomoreideas6534]

God that's a really cool Mark Brunell jersery

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

A contract is a contract. Losing viewers has nothing to do with it. BCN had exclusive audio broadcast rights. That's the end of the story. Asking the Patriots was the wrong move as it was BCNs permission they needed. As for region locking content A) the Vikings didn't offer and B) what eventually became vpns were available back then. We had other work arounds as well. P.S. a ton of New Englanders have the game on the TV with no sound and the radio up because the local radio broadcast is infinitely better.

[@worldsgreatestdude1784]

I like listening to the radio broadcast when driving. The SiriusXM nfl station has a better red zone channel than the actual red zone channel

[@cmd31220]

Pats fan after reading the title: "ah f***, what did Mr. Kraft do now?"

[@Jason_Maier]

JG9, Surprisingly, a dumb Patriots story that does NOT involve Billy Sullivan

[@bufnyfan1]

The Patriots had about ~20 years of success/winning seasons. Sorry, that kind of success won't happen again soon in New England no matter what Kraft does.

[@Rickman897]

If the Patriots are in the Stone Age. Maybe they will face the Bedrock Brontos & the Rock Bay Pachyderms.

[@jeffbonato1597]

Turning back the clock like that regarding internet/radio/tv coverage definitely is interesting. Two other turn-back-the-clock items from that particular game that I thought of while watching. 1) Tom Brady would have been in uniform for that game and it would have been funny to see him sitting on the far end of the bench while Drew Bledsoe toiled on the pitch ... given the circumstances that would unfold a season later. 2) While the action shots of the game were being shown, I chuckled looking at the stadium. Remember, this is 2000. so the Patriots' current stadium was under construction literallly right next to where this game was being. played. It's funny to see how old Foxboro Stadium looked in 2000, after just about 30 years of use. And now, many of the stadiums built in the `995-2005 range are considered old and out of date themselves. Finally, a question I don't have a clue about the answer to. But, I recall forever that Foxboro Stadium was always considered a nightmare of a place to get to and out of on game day. Yet, when the new stadium was built, it was in the exact same location, meaning the traffic woes that crippled Foxboro just were passed on to the suddenly aging Gillette Stadium.

[@veggieoilerfan2940]

I don’t think WCCO would have been the only radio station in Minnesota that was airing the Vikings games. I think the state of Minnesota has long had a significant number of stations that have been affiliated with the Vikings radio network.

[@bearsfan2085]

I hate broadcasting rights and all that bs. I live in Michigan but am a Bears fan. I wanna watch or listen to my Bears, not the Lions! (Obviously the 2 games vs the Lions wasn’t an issue) but it’s way too controlling.

[@Goomlahexpress]

well, I'm sure there were MAYBE 100 or 200 Vikings fans that COULD have listened to the broadcast in and around New England area. The Patriots took a hard stance and it backfired.

[@johncate9541]

The Patsies should have worried less about the webcast and gave their fourth-string quarterback a chance. I hear he did alright later on when he got a shot.

[@Fireyninjadog]

Pats aren't stuck in the Stone Age. They're stuck in 1992

[@2009sportsfan]

This game was not on tv fox air a different game in New England that day

[@chrisp679]

What game?

[@2009sportsfan]

@@chrisp679 the game he talking about week 3 Minnesota at New England

[@chrisp679]

Not possible; the game was a sellout.

[@2009sportsfan]

@@chrisp679 it might have been a sellout but the 2000 patriots were not a good team and fox didn’t air the game I remember my mom calling fox and yelling at the person on the phone about the game not airing on tv in New England

[@chrisp679]

@@2009sportsfanthe game aired in New England. If it didn’t WFXT would’ve been in a lot of trouble.

[@Jake-gv7sf]

Broadcasting is no longer the same tv or radio.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

The entire premise of this is flawed because region locking states isn't a thing really, especially back then, and BCN had the rights so I would have been up to them to allow the Vikings broadcast.

[@NJA95]

I just mute the game can’t stand modern announcers It’s a much more enjoyable experience.

[@Jonathandoeforth]

I mean tend to turn on Tree and listen to him during the Superbowl.

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

Right, but that's listening to him. I don't think anyone is solely watching Tree and is not watching the Super Bowl, if that makes sense. You watch the Super Bowl, mute the audio, and listen to Tree

[@e93sports80]

👍👍

[@tomjacobson631]

Yabbadabbadooooo!

[@scottaznavourian3720]

Ahh yes the pre mo lewis bellichick coached patriots...a disaster on and off the fiekd

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

Ooo triggering title there, JG9.. I for a moment thought JG9 was criticising the current Pats organisation which while valid, you shouldn't say it like that...

[@seanlanglois8620]

Bradys back weres the beef show ponys

[@franchisequarterback7906]

"The Vikings didn't score a single point in the second half." 4:45 That's an interesting way to phrase it, because, has any team scored a single point in any half?

[@lakerskid2013]

The only realistic way anybody could score that way is through a 1 point safety.