Machining a new fixture/setup for a job I have been doing for the last 20 years because of a change in the material.
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@jimsvideos72012 жыл бұрын
Thank you as always for sharing! I hope everyone will consider how much time it takes to get all the footage for an intro like that, even if you have enough cameras that you only need to set them up once and cycle the machine once!
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
It’s all done with one camera.
@jimsvideos72012 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision In that case my hat is off to you a second time for the patience.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
@@jimsvideos7201 I didn’t really take long. I had exactly in mind what clips I wanted. So I just jogged the magazine for some and did about six actual tool changes. I would say it took around 30-45 minutes. It probably took longer to edit it. I didn’t keep track of the exact time. None of the first tool change is changed in speed. And it’s all just straight cuts. In fact the whole video is just straight cuts. No transitions. I very seldom use transitions. Just the cross fade. That’s it.
@raulgolfs2 жыл бұрын
Peter crushing it with the content bud! Great shots on that equipment! 🤘🏽
@floodo12 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the intro with all the camera angles around the machine.
@FinnoUgricMachining2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the effort You put into editing these videos and their audio. These are a joy to watch and listen! FYI, I really didn't like watching all those "awesome" CNC videos until I came across Your interpretation of CNC. Cool.
@lolhleplol2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make these excellent videos
@mazatroltipsandtricks68162 жыл бұрын
Awesome video Peter. Never seen a mill vise used in this fashion before.
@stuarthardy46262 жыл бұрын
Great video as usual Peter. the thing that I find interesting is how machine tools evolved from the early very crude machine to the the super precise ones we have today . they started as very inaccurate ones but due to the operators made parts that were more accurate than the machine they were produced on
@buixote2 жыл бұрын
Scary how close spindle gets to the pallet... a good time for that trick you showed us about "distance to go"! Great video, as always!
@parkashparkash30532 жыл бұрын
I love this channel as it represents a real world machine shop while the titans of CNC make more of a movie jobs that most of machine shops can't afford .
@gwharton682 жыл бұрын
Always informative. Have a great weekend.
@max_eley2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, loved the tracodial milling, editing is really good also!
@tedsaylor60162 жыл бұрын
Note, the current "Mr T - BOOM" vids are more reasonable these days as his operation moved to Texas from Kali and his team is doing more of the videos - they are more down to earth.
@paulmace79102 жыл бұрын
Nice shots of a well used machine. Thanks for taking us along. Kudos on your problem solving abilities to get your customer quality parts.
@4GSR2 жыл бұрын
A well used machine in darn good shape for it's age!!!
@aaron807692 жыл бұрын
First thing I do when I fire up one of your videos is “Smash the like button” because I’m about to learn something!
@TroubledTimes20242 жыл бұрын
Always a grate job explaining not just what you are doing but the why.
@StackedWashingMachine2 жыл бұрын
Mesmerizing to watch all the angles. Thanks for the video
@Steve_Just_Steve2 жыл бұрын
You the man Peter!
@Iceberg863002 жыл бұрын
I was kinda freaking out before I realized you cutting a corner relief there! Great video!
@XXCoder2 жыл бұрын
Amazing. I like how its setup.
@TrPrecisionMachining2 жыл бұрын
very good video peter..thanks for your time
@jasonhill21802 жыл бұрын
Nice vise art! Hadn't noticed that before. 😀 Great video as usual.
@dmbworks80942 жыл бұрын
i worked for a company that had a few parts which done all at once would twist. their process was heavy rough and then release. re-setup the part to relieve the stress before finishing. they never also rotated the part, but they were in vertical machines so maybe one less thing to worry about.
@artmckay67042 жыл бұрын
Always interesting and informative! Thank you! :)
@erimora80752 жыл бұрын
Peterrrrrr, we need more videos, greetings
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I know. I just been real busy working on stuff I can’t show in a video. Thanks!
@eddie55562 жыл бұрын
Holy smokes that horizontal has a Ton of tools loaded up. Small fortune right there.
@freightdawg67622 жыл бұрын
Great camera placements Awesome video
@skirifles20762 жыл бұрын
Thats an awesome looking part stop. I wish I knew a guy that was making and selling them. 😁
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
It’s my design. I had intended to build some. I have the material for 40 assemblies. But I just haven’t got around to finish them.
@skirifles20762 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision I know! I was just being funny.
@eddie55562 жыл бұрын
I thought those looked really familiar. Put me down for a pre-order please.
@poetac152 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great video!
@abbeschakchouk90602 жыл бұрын
When I see the care you take making these parts, then the way we use those blocks , I just wonder does it really has to be this tight of a tolerance !
@SailingYachtDreamcatcher2 жыл бұрын
Great content as always! 🙏
@TylerBrigham2 жыл бұрын
Ive had recent warping issues on some 7075 parts. The supply changed from domestic to Chinese. It was not very fun
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
That’s interesting. I didn’t say it was 7075 but you are correct. This batch and the one before have given me trouble.
@jakea70652 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing. If the material is the same, I suspect they switched to a cheap Chinese supplier, and this is the result.
@drummerhammar2 жыл бұрын
Nice work once again!
@soaphelps Жыл бұрын
hoe much tooling do you have? Peter: YES!
@akfarmboy492 жыл бұрын
I like your vise extension
@richardbradley9612 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU PETER, REGARDS RICHARD.
@ke6gwf2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the metal is absorbing the same stress the rest of humanity is feeling right now.. Good work at figuring out how to compensate for it! I do the same for humans lol
@michaelpiotrowicz61002 жыл бұрын
Nice camera work!
@ericwebster69112 жыл бұрын
Inflation must even be stressing out the metal stock. Yikes!
@SuperAWaC Жыл бұрын
what brand end mill are you using there around 2 minutes to notch out that corner? Really performed nicely with no coolant.
@TheTrex600ESP2 жыл бұрын
I have also notice big change in stress in material. In the worst case i have to flip between 3-4 times, depends how much roughing inside, or how big pockets.
@bcbloc022 жыл бұрын
Whenever I get into material that starts crawling around when I machine it I always wonder how much does it go out of spec later after it’s had some real stress and heat cycles.
@CeErCeEr2 жыл бұрын
Hello Peter, Thanks for sharing, great video again, At 4:36, prior tool seems like S shaped positive style insert, Its corner angle is 90 but after this tool drill comes and probably its point angle is bigger than 90 degree, So first contact with part occures at the outer corners of the drill, not the center point, What is the tricky detail in here :) Best regards.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
In my opinion it is always better that your spot drill has a sharper angle than your drill. So the drill starts drilling on it's OD before the point. This is harder on the drill but it avoids a bell mouth shape at the beginning of the hole. You get the support of the drills OD before the tip starts drilling. I almost always spot drill with this style of 90 deg spot drill for say your normal 120-140 degree drill point. I also spot drill a little larger than the drill diameter or a little larger than the tap diameter if its a tap drill. You should never spot for a carbide drills with center drills, this can damage the drill. There is only one purpose for a center drill. To make a center for the lathes tail center. The most ideal drilling cycle would be to slow down the speed and feed when entering (and exiting for thru holes) than once started speed up the speed and feed. A drill can dissipate heat better into the body of the drill when drilling its full diameter. This is why it is always harder on a drill to open up a already drilled hole. Particularly if the previous hole is close to the same diameter. In this case it is necessary to slow down the surface speed (RPM) of the drill. Or it will fail due to overheating the flute tips.
@taylorlooney12 жыл бұрын
the size of this machine always baffles me
@meatballsguch2 жыл бұрын
What kind of machine is that that thing looks like a beast?!
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
My horizontal mill is a Mitsubishi MH80E. It was built in 1999.
@jeepmanxj2 жыл бұрын
I've noticed a few videos where you use a center for a carbide drill. I've tried this in the past and it always burns the corners of the drill up. Are you using a center that's match ground to your drill lead or vise versa?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I never use a center drill to spot for drills. I do use a spot drill for this almost always a 90 degree angle. It is true that this can be harder on the tip corners of the drill. The reason is normally drilling from solid (With no spot drill) the drill can dissipate heat into the body of the drill. When going into a spot drill where the drills corners contact the spot drill first it tends to overheat these corners, because it cant conduct the heat fast enough to the core body of the drill. You will have the same problem with carbide drills, drilling into a previously drilled hole. Especially if the hole is close to the same diameter. The reason I like to drill into the spot drill of a shaper angle is it improves the size of the entry (avoids a bell mouthed hole) of the hole. Also if it is a tapped hole you already have a chamfer for the tap. But it is, as you say harder on the drill. The perfect way to do this would be to drill the very first part of the hole with a slower speed, Just till you reach full contact with the drills point. Than speed up the feed and speed for the remainder of the hole. If the hole is a thru hole it would even be better to also slow down the speed and feed when it breaks thru. That would improve tool life also. You will notice if you can observe a carbide drill breaking thru, it will overheat the slug. You may have noticed the disks left from this are usually discolored from this heat. This also can overheat the drills tip. Another thing if the drill intersects existing holes you can have trouble with this as well. In that case it is better to slow the speed and feed where these intersections are as well. All that's of course in a perfect setup. But my part quantities are usually so small I just slow down the whole drilling cycle. Unless time is a major factor. Usually the time it takes to make it perfect it just isn't worth it to me. But if you do large quantities and time/tooling is important than doing these things would be a good thing.
@jeepmanxj2 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision thank you for the detailed answer. We do a lot of form tools that have coolant channels drilled into them. Some of the forms have 10-15 holes and there can be 15-20 parts to the entire form. We were trying to shoot them from one side but we're having issues with drills walking. We had better luck with a spot face or center drill but it would burn the drills up after a few parts. Im going to do some tests tomorrow and see if I get some better results with this. The information you have in your videos has been absolutely astounding and has given me many ideas to make my life easier and my process more successful. The apprentices at work turned me on to your channel a while ago, and you are instrumental to some of these guys. I really appreciate what you do.
@alexgregg24662 жыл бұрын
Are you going to post a video of cutting those parts?
@franz_k60002 жыл бұрын
Great video man What machine are you using?
@marcseclecticstuff94972 жыл бұрын
It looks like a late 90's 4-axis Mitsubishi M-H80e with a Meldas 500 control, and an 80 tool Cat50 magazine.
@ewildgoose2 жыл бұрын
Idiot question but… what holds the tools into the magazine pots? Why don’t they jiggle free and fall out? Magnets??
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
There are spring loaded balls that grab on to the retention stud on the tool.
@damientoomey11942 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos, I enjoy the quality machining. That’s a Mitsubishi horizontal isn’t it? I’m curious what brains it has? Is it a Meldas 500 series? It seems to handle data quite well for what I’m assuming is a mid to late 90’s machine?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
It’s a Mitsubishi with a Meldas control. It was built in 1999.
@damientoomey11942 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision we have 3 MPlus mazaks 95-98. I’m guessing they have similar hardware. I don’t think those machines would handle data quite as well as ur machine appears to. we have to be very careful how close the points are in the tool path. The 98 machine I fitted an Ethernet card which is a massive improvement on drip feeding the others by rs232 but still worlds away from our fusion640m machine with windows.
@marcseclecticstuff94972 жыл бұрын
It looks like a M-H80E with a Meldas 500 control. I'm guessing no thru spindle coolant since he's applying cutting oil on the tap. Good machines.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
@@marcseclecticstuff9497 if you go back a few videos you will see me fixing the chip blaster that supply’s the tru spindle coolant. Even in this video you see the drill using tru spindle coolant. And yes you are correct about the machine type and control.
@wagglebutt2 жыл бұрын
I must have missed the easy set code video. Which one was it?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I have showed these things in many videos. I haven't done one just on the easy set cycles. I could do one if you think that would be useful.
@wagglebutt2 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision I would definitely like to see it, whether you make a new video, or someone can point me to the existing footage. Thanks for all of your videos btw. Great stuff.
@tedsaylor60162 жыл бұрын
Peter, if the customer provides the material, and the latest batch of said material is "acts different" (for whatever reason), how easy is that to explain to the customer? Do they even understand? If parts end up needing to be remade will the customer usually pay for this, or is that up to you?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
What people may not realize. It is much more difficult to get material now. Compared to just a year or two ago. If I make a mistake and the parts can’t be used. I pay for material and the remaking of the parts.
@13anomalous162 жыл бұрын
I wonder what grade of steel the tombstone faces are made of
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
This tombstone is made out of A36 steel plate welded together.
@joaodomingosboff6032 жыл бұрын
Não entendo o porque faceou, deu acabamento e retificou com a fresa e depois retirou mais material com outra fresa maior e e mais áspera. Porque não deu desbaste com a fresa maior e deu acabamento com a fresa menor...?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Se eu entendi sua pergunta. Eu acho que você está perguntando por que eu fresei as duas faces depois de montar as peças no suporte da lápide (eu permiti material para isso). Isso foi para que eu pudesse colocá-los na altura exata dos topos das mandíbulas do Kirt Vise quando eles fossem parafusados no suporte. Na verdade, mostrei a medição com o relógio comparador. Isso tirou a necessidade de ser muito preciso com essa altura na operação anterior. É muito mais fácil de fazer depois que eles são aparafusados em seus locais de montagem.
@joaodomingosboff6032 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Certo! Obrigado pela resposta...!
@aleks1382 жыл бұрын
Is there a reason for the pallet to rotate a little after the tool change?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Let’s say you didn’t have that at every tool beginning. But you stopped the machine and jogged the B axis for some reason. Than you reran the tool for some reason. You would need it to come to the proper B angle for that tool. So I have the post putting code to bring the B axis to 10 degrees plus the B position then to the B position at every tool change and B axis move. Always approaching the B position from the positive direction just in case to remove any backlash. Not totally necessary because this machine has digital scales. But just to be safe. At the large diameters you work with on this size horizontal mill. A very small difference in angle can make a lot of difference in position. Out 12-16” or more from center of rotation.
@aleks1382 жыл бұрын
That's smart
@douro202 жыл бұрын
Got enough custom shell mills?
@TravisHammeng2 жыл бұрын
Not worried about the vice only being held by the 4 call screws in sheer?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the 5/8 socket caps screws that hold the Kirt vise to the tombstone? If so I have tightened that vise held that way as hard as I can pull the handle. In all these years it has never moved.
@TravisHammeng2 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision yeah that's what I was talking about. I guess the fixed jaw on the DX vises are held by 4 smaller cap screws, so same same really
@bps33742 жыл бұрын
Nice Tool Magazin 🙄
@manindersingh2572 жыл бұрын
You usually use hss drill, why not carbide.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I do usually use carbide thru coolant drills. In this case in this diameter (.656") I did not have a drill long enough. So I resorted to a taper length Hss drill. Carbide would have been faster but this was just some fixture parts and four holes.
@Iceberg863002 жыл бұрын
When did you find that the material was moving on you? Somewhere in process or on final inspection?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
On the previous set of parts.
@Iceberg863002 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision get away w/o scrapping any? I always wonder about mat'l cost b/c of the largish parts you run. _FAR_ larger than anything I've dealt with since my first job at Haas which really skewed me in cost b/c 4x vs 400x or even 4000x affects raw mat'l purchases so heavily. So thanks again for sharing what you do & taking the time to interact with us as well!
@AbbeyRoad691472 жыл бұрын
At 0.59, on the left, what is the name of the tool bolted to the table that fixes the lateral offset of the workpiece???? It looks like a beefy indicator arm. I need one of these so badly!! (I am not talking about the Renishaw probe.)
@TravisHammeng2 жыл бұрын
It's a work stop. My assumption would be that he made it him self
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
If you are referring to the mill stop. That is my own design.
@AbbeyRoad691472 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Thanks!!
@MrSolarstu2 жыл бұрын
Fairly sure Peter did a video about making them.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I started to make a run 40 of them to sell. But I got side tracked and never finished the setup. I do have the material to make them. I need to get back on that project.
@carlosvasquez16462 жыл бұрын
Hey Peter I just started turning I have always been a mill guy. My company wants me to run the multi task mill turn. We run a lot of 17-5, 15-5, nitronic 60, and in ones 718. What’s a good insert to start with we rough face and turn od with cnmg 432. Need help thanks.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
That’s the Styl of insert I use for most roughing. It is the grade and chip breaker type that makes the most difference. There is so many choices, you unfortunately will have to experiment with what your machine and tooling works best with.
@carlosvasquez16462 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the reply I am going to try seco, iscar, and walter.
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I have been using some Sumitomo inserts with good success. The thing I like about them is they are much less expensive than the brands you mentioned.
@carlosvasquez16462 жыл бұрын
I will give sumitomo a look thanks for the advice Peter.
@WilliamTMusil2 жыл бұрын
Hiya Peter
@Adam08552 жыл бұрын
How many place On Tools you have?
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
The magazine can hold 80 tools.
@Uzik2 жыл бұрын
You have new photo operator ?)
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know what you are asking? What is a photo operator?
@Uzik2 жыл бұрын
@@EdgePrecision Cameraman and video editor)
@juanpierreetchart582 жыл бұрын
hello Edge Precision I watch your videos and learn a lot with them, would you have a contact email? I would like to ask some questions with you
@EdgePrecision2 жыл бұрын
You can send me e-mails at peter.edge.pre@gmail.com