[OLD] PATHFINDER 2E ORACLE MYSTERIES - Part 1

[@Nonat1s]

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[@p2umpkin]

Me: *a month ago* for my first pathfinder game ever, I’m gonna play a battle mystery oracle :))) Nonat: Oracle is the MOST complicated Pathfinder 2E class Me: *now* YEAH IT IS

[@Nonat1s]

It almost feels like a rite of passage to think "I wanna make an oracle!" as a new player lol

[@momierxorz]

@@Nonat1s I definitively did! started playing with the APG... NO REGRETS! Now I have 4 oracles in play ;D

[@GoblinLord]

trial by fire (and probably blood).. fitting for a battle oracle

[@CyberBlastoise]

Oracle was my first class in PF1e so you can imagine how excited I was for it in 2e.

[@bandi642]

same to me came from dnd and wanted smt different and i was between oracle and thaumaturge

[@epee11c]

Here's a comment for the algorithm and for going through what is probably my favorite class (having only GMed). There's just so much flavor.

[@Nonat1s]

I really love them. Probably one of the most flavorful classes in the game.

[@Theosis10]

Ahh yes, there appears to be a comment in this comment.

[@ketrava0425]

Since this is your favorite class maybe you can help me out here because I am trying to create an Oracle for an upcoming game. The curse seems to be incredibly restrictive since there is so much emphasis on having domain and Oracle revelation spells. What is the point of having a 2 or even a 3 focus pool if you can't use it. Ie at lower levels if you use an Oracle spell earlier in the day or your at minor curse for whatever reason you can only cast one focus spell and no not end up overwhelmed. At higher levels if you're in minor you can only cast 2. This seems massively restrictive Since so many feats give you a focus point and an extra focus spell. Especially since you can't even get to major until a high enough level most players never reach

[@epee11c]

@@ketrava0425 You can use them. Casting normal spells doesn't progress your curse, only casting revalation spells (focus spells with the revalation tag) progresses the curse. You can go up to a moderate curse at 1st level, and refocusing drops you back down to minor. At 11th level. you gain a focus point at the same time as you gain access to your major curse. Hopefully that helps!

[@Treehouse22009]

Correction on Moonlight Bridge: The enemies automatically fall straight through, they cannot walk on the bridge AT ALL. Given the fact you can angle it up and the bridge doesn't have to connect to anything, its basically a full-party flight spell. There's a reason I say Cosmos is the best Mystery.

[@mattyb9991]

While I don't always agree with your opinions on what you're discussing, your observations and explanations provide incredibly helpful insight to how the mechanics actually work for players new and old. You're one of the only accounts doing informational deep dives like these and I appreciate the hell out of it, it has helped my new players beyond anything I could have ever done. Keep up the great work!

[@leenhellemans]

My first ever pathfinder character was a cosmos oracle and I love the class so much and that mystery xD besides CHA I made CON her highest stat and she was like so tanky for a spellcaster (that physical resistance is incredible)

[@yoshiman9521]

fun fact. space is roughly 3 degrees Kelvin( -273c or -454.27F). however because there are so few particles to impact against you, you dont lose heat to conduction or convection as quickly so thats why people dont instantly freeze

[@chazzwozzio]

That's somehow terrifying

[@cfalkner1012]

The problem is the instant sublimation of the liquids, which carries with it lots of heat. So you still freeze, but in a much more horrifying way.

[@conwaysquest6961]

Your blood boils while you freeze.

[@jzaneedwards4344]

It took a while into the video before I understood the context

[@KevShaw808]

This looks like a tough class to play, but I love the idea of a positive and negative effect with their abilities. I would love to play this class.

[@Wikrin]

It's so weird to me that Cosmos Oracles can't choose Star as one of their domains. I wonder if that's because it was from Gods & Magic? Feels like the most thematically appropriate domain, and it's got interesting focus spells to boot.

[@CErra310]

Gods & Magic came out a long time after the Advanced Player's Guide, so... yeah. Also you can always just ask the GM if you can pick it :)

[@yoshiman9521]

i think the best part about ancestral form is that you can still sustain spells while youre in your ghost form so if you have a flaming sphere or summoned creature (or both) you can just keep spamming sustain and not worry about being disrupted

[@Nonat1s]

Ooohh, that's a nice little tidbit that I glossed over!! That definitely adds some power to the spell!

[@aventuraenlafogata649]

Some additions to the great video. Ancestors: Ancestral Form lets you fly, including upwards (and it's not difficult terrain for you), plus the exploration and stealth options of being invisible and resistant to physical damage. Battle: Having fast healing means that every time you are dying at the beggining of a turn, you automatically lose the dying condition and wake up again with some hit points, and you have your turn. Bones: Negative healing means that you are inmmune to negative damage. Which means that you can blast some negative damage spells (like sudden blight) with you in the area without a problem. Also, the intereraction between upgrading a major curse (wounded 1) to the Extreme Curse (doomed 2), is extremely dangerous since you can be permanently dead in one hit. I don't know if that was intended or not. Cosmos: Enfeebled also affects encumbrance, so be careful with what you carry. 2. As a GM, I would not include Trip as forced movement (because it is against Reflex), but I will count the trip damage as falling damage. And the most imporant part of this: lnterstellar Void starts with a Fortitude Save, not a basic one. AFTER the target is already affected you can sustain the spell and they get a Basic Fortitude Save. If they critically succeed the first save they are not affected, but that is the only way they can avoid that spell.

[@Nonat1s]

Some very solid points made here! Regarding Interstellar Void, the way it's written looks like the "Saving Throw: Fortitude" is referring to the basic save itself. With the way that the spell is worded, they get a Basic Save right when you cast it and every following turn when you sustain it. I take this to mean that, even if they crit succeed their initial save, you can keep the void around them, forcing saves on all following turns. The void itself doesn't disappear regardless of the initial save as it's more like a physical effect you sustain (similar to something like animated assault).

[@nerezza5943]

Want to note that it's understandable that the you weren't enthusiastic about the negative healing bonus for bones considering they don't even mention it gives negative immunity too. Probably just an oversight, wish they would've just snuck a little box detailing that trait's effects instead of summing it up and only listing its two downsides and only ONE of the upsides.

[@Vuthavignar]

The oracle was by far my favorite 1E class. I was super happy with the 2E version. I kinda miss mix and match curses, but for balance this was the best choice. I can't wait for more mysteries to be printed!

[@jimkay01]

Played a Cosmos last night for the first time in Plaguestone, it was great! Enfeebled in a bar fight with physical damage resistance at level 1 -- so good!

[@Nonat1s]

That physical damage resistance is NUTS at level 1! Against any 1d4 unarmed strike from an untrained humanoid, you're likely taking almost no damage at all!

[@GoblinKing2001]

Omg!! This is the video I’ve been waiting for since I first bought the APG!! I’m playing a Goblin Oracle with Ancestry mystery. She’s elderly and speaks mostly in creepy but playful rhymes. I named her Baga because she’s kind of a mix of Yoda and Baba Yaga.

[@TheOnlySheet]

THANK YOU Nonat1s for the great shout out!! AND keep up the great videos!!!

[@MalcolmNathrienS1lv34]

I'm playing an Oracle for my first ever campaign in PF2e. Mystery of Flames. So this'll be fun!

[@yourfavoritesteve]

You posted this 5 months ago. How has it played for you?

[@blaydsong]

I'm currently running the Age of Ashes for my PFS group, and at the end of the AP, the players are awarded with some new, unique backgrounds to use for future characters. The reason I bring this up, is that I have a PFS character planned for after the AP is done: A Kobold Ancestors Oracle using the 'Touched by Dahak' background. My thought is that, rather than being haunted by his ancestors, the kobold is haunted by the lingering essence of Dahak's character. Can't wait to play him! :D

[@tygereyes]

Nice Job - Home Brew : Flip The Cosmos Focus Spells (Spot On)

[@shrimpisdelicious]

Fun fact about the Bones Oracle: A Dhampir who takes the Svetotcher ancestry feat gets to calculate the drained condition as if it were 1 less. This means that Dhampir bones oracles basically get to ignore the most debilitating part of their moderate curse.

[@niallsulcer600]

Pretty sure Oracle curses stipulate that you can't mitigate their effects in any way.

[@TrueKoalaKnight]

Battle Mystery Major Curse: I don't think it amounts to a -3 penalty since the Moderate and Major penalties are both status type and they don't stack.

[@Nonat1s]

Oh hey, you're actually totally right! I didn't realize that "Stupefied" inflicted a status-penalty specifically! That makes a ton of sense and makes the major curse a bit less negative.

[@dragongold3]

Mmm, purity sure that penalties always attack, no matter the type...

[@TrueKoalaKnight]

@@dragongold3 Not in 2e. The entire reason penalties even have a type now is because they don't stack.

[@CyberBlastoise]

@@TrueKoalaKnight it's also like that in 1e. Penalty of the same type do not stack.

[@TrueKoalaKnight]

@@CyberBlastoise Not exactly. 1e penalties aren't typed at all. They way it works is that penalties from the same source don't stack. So for example if a spell gave you a penalty to attack rolls, being hit by that same spell again even if cast by another caster wouldn't stack.

[@ianbabineau5340]

I wish I could give it more than one like for that awesome plug by your ancestors!

[@Alakaterai]

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[@JohnSmith-tv9ou]

35:00 A sideways bridge that connects to verticle pillars becomes a wall. It specifies they pass through if they attempt to cross the bridge, so this may prevent this from working.

[@Nwise916]

Currently playing through the fall of plaguestone as an Orc battle oracle and let me tell you... its the most inefficient way to play a barbarian without being a barbarian! And its fun so far. I would say the moderate curse is not as punishing as it seems, since more than likely you are making 2 strikes per turn to get rid of the debuff. Definitely could see this option dropping off pretty quickly in the mid levels, since all other martial characters are just hitting more easily than you would, but for low levels its nice!

[@Nonat1s]

I mostly talk about gameplay in these videos, but in my opinion: Flavor is greater than efficiency, so if you're having fun then it's doing well!! Plus that Party Initiative Buff will ALWAYS be useful.

[@Baraz_Red]

The Oracle always attracts me because it is original to PF ! My first PF1 character was an Oracle (a Dwarf, with burnt hands -4 to hit :P, Ancestor Mystery).

[@StoneTitan]

I think you might have made a small mistake at 08:00 , I think it isn't any action that isn't a strike, I think it is any action listed on the other ancestors so any skill or spell action would result in a flat check. You could raise a shield, command a minion or move for instance without having to roll. (seems you're correcting it in the 11'th min)

[@armanhammer]

Quick note: "Ancestral Form" also makes you invisible.

[@yoshiman9521]

maybe make the multi part videos into playlists in the future?

[@K.J.Saunders]

Love the videos nonat! Keep up the good work

[@Nonat1s]

Thanks so much for joining the premiere!

[@utlor24601]

Real talk, I hadn't even notice the beard was gone until you pointed it out and now I'm shook

[@MrFahqup]

Started a 2e campaign. Rolled battle oracle. I'm doomed. Also, since you mentioned Sailor moon, Cosmos gets moon domain spells, one being "touch of the moon" aka "turn your dwarf barb into sailor moon", something I was strongly considering before I settled on this woeful gish.

[@dragongold3]

This gave me the idea for an "air head" claustrophobic halfling...(cosmos mystery, fortune teller background)

[@bluemagnusstormcrow]

It should also be noted that the stupefied 2 from the battle major curse also means that you need to succeed a dc 7 flat check to cast any spell.

[@jonday2594]

Good video nonat 🎉

[@rylandrc]

Around 8:50 you mention playing a fighter and being able to get the moderate curse with the Oracle Dedication/Archetype. I read through the Oracle archetype and I'm fairly certain you cannot progress your curse beyond minor with the archetype. The First Revelation Oracle archetype feat states: > Use the minor curse from your mystery, but when you progress it again, instead of your mystery's moderate curse effect, you become flat-footed in addition to the effects of the minor curse.

[@Nonat1s]

Yeah, unfortunately I learned that after posting this video. It's a sad fact, but I understand why they did it. Sadly, my oracle fighter will simply be doing it for the flavor now.

[@epee11c]

@@Nonat1s I keep expecting to be able to get the moderate curse through the archetype and have to remind myself every time I look at it that it's just the minor curse. I get it, but at the same time, I wish there was a little more potential there, because I feel like there isn't a reason to take oracle archetype over cleric except maybe to grab the initial focus spell at 4th level or whatever, but the domain spells are pretty solid and don't give you nasty penalties.

[@Nonat1s]

@@epee11c Unfortunately, the only real reason to take Oracle over Cleric is to cast with Charism over Wisdom. I'm shocked they didn't add like a level 8 feat that would allow you to reach moderate curse. I may see if my GM will allow me to homebrew that, as I don't think it'd be too overly powerful..

[@epee11c]

@@Nonat1s That would be snazzy.

[@aventuraenlafogata649]

With how busted some of the curses are if you combine them with other classes, I honestly prefer that they did not let other classes access the full curses. At least it is impossible for a multiclass oracle to be overwhelmed. The Oracle has some nice feats, cast with charisma, and has great focus spells. Maybe later they get more sweet things. I think that they are just as good as any other spellcasting multiclass dedication.

[@charlesking4326]

I've been kinda disappointed that PF doesn't really have anything equivalent to a warlock (or a bladelock at that) but the battle oracle seems to scratch that itch for me.

[@Nonat1s]

I just wish the battle curse was a bit stronger. With how brutal the negative effects are, I wish the bonuses were a +1 to hit while moderate and a +2 to hit when major. That would at least make it stronger than the Ancestral Curse (Martial).

[@charlesking4326]

@@Nonat1s im not sure how this would end up being balance wise but could possibly be at least thematically cool if the curse raised your proficiency in martial weapons as it got worse. Yeah it would be knocking on the fighter's door with a legendary proficiency eventually but you'd have to be on the major curse for that

[@Skaxarrat]

Would be good for a Monk to take the Oracle -> Battle subclass archetype? You don't care about being stupefied (well, not regarding spells...) and those +6 damage, when you attack so often, could be good, right?

[@CyberBlastoise]

My first ever 1e character was a Metal Mystery Half Orc Oracle and I'm super hoping Metal Mystery makes a return. Tho I'm not sure what the curse would consist of.

[@whovo3059]

Been playing a Cosmos Oracle. Me and my bulk weighing half and someone needing to carry me has has actually come up a few times.

[@cz1822]

I knew we were in for a ride when I saw the Oracle class took twice as much room in the book as any other class

[@Nonat1s]

lol, I can't wait until we get a new supplement to the system called "Just More Oracle Mysteries" and it's 300 pages long.

[@tquinnhunsaker4344]

Goard leshi Oracle with warfare mystery A haunted Jack O' lantern wielding a scythe

[@Nonat1s]

All I can think of when people talk about Goard Leshies is "Over the Garden Wall" episode 2 lol.

[@ObedientMammal]

Going back and rewatching this after i just watched your kineticist video... not so complicated anymore is it?? 🤣

[@grantmyers2693]

the strongest focus spell you've seen... is melee demoralize with a tiny bit of damage? I'm not impressed lol

[@taifumoffu5159]

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[@andrewwahba5006]

Are there extreme curses? You mentioned them early on, but I couldn't find them on the AoN

[@Nonat1s]

I'll explain it when I go over class features, but all curses have the same "Extreme" effect. You unlock it at level 17. "When affected by your extreme curse, you become doomed 2 (or increase your doomed condition by 2 if you were already doomed). Once every 10 minutes, when you fail an attack roll, skill or Perception check, or saving throw, you can reroll it and use the second result. The reroll has the fortune trait and doesn't require you to spend an action, meaning you can use the reroll even if you can't act. These effects are in addition to all the effects of your major curse, and they can't be removed by any means until you Refocus to reduce your curse to its minor effect"

[@andrewwahba5006]

@@Nonat1s oh dang that's AMAZINGLY strong

[@123gats]

Does using the domain spell also progress your curse?

[@brentoncarmichael2748]

I've an Oracle question, if you take the Oracle dedication one of the feats you can take is called "First Revelation" which outlines how the curse progresses when using revelation spells BUT what if you only take Basic Mysteries (Domain Acumen - Initial domain spell which you cast as a revelation spell with the cursebound trait) THEN you gain focus points from anywhere else, use those focus points on Initial domain spell twice... what happens? No curse at all until "First Revelation"? Moderate effect from Curse?

[@Nonat1s]

Looking into this question, I've learned some REALLY unfortunate facts about the Oracle Dedication. You CANNOT progress beyond minor curse effects with the dedication. If you take Domain Acumen, yes it will be cursebound and activate your curse, but no matter what level you are, if you try to extend your curse beyond minor, you become permanently flat-footed until you refocus. You cannot achieve moderate or higher. "Use the minor curse from your mystery, but when you progress it again, instead of your mystery’s moderate curse effect, you become flat-footed in addition to the effects of the minor curse." Seems like the main draw of the Oracle Dedication is "Mysterious Breadth" which grants you some extra spell slots.

[@brentoncarmichael2748]

@@Nonat1s Right, you're quoting from "First Revelation" (FR) - I'm saying what if you DON'T take it, what's happening with the curse at that point? is there no progression at all due to "You gain the mild, constant effects of the mystery's curse described in its first paragraph, BUT NOT OTHER EFFECTS THE MYSTERY USUALLY GRANTS" sorry, caps because I can't bold that part.

[@Nonat1s]

@@brentoncarmichael2748 Ohh, now I see what you're saying. Hmm, that's super vaguely worded. My final interpretation is that, yes, you can cast the spell obtained from Domain Acumen. It will have the "Cursebound" trait, but it does not progress your curse at all. The only way you can progress your curse is to take "First Revelation". Once you've taken that feat, any "Cursebound" focus spell will progress your curse. It's not perfect, and I believe this will hopefully be errated to make more sense in the future.

[@aventuraenlafogata649]

I recently posted about this on reddit: www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder2e/comments/jbyrp9/oracle_multiclass_dedication_and_cursebound/ The dedication feat gives you mild effects, but not any other effects from the curse. To cast a cursebound spell you have to have a curse, it's in the trait; but the dediction itself states that other than the mild flavor, you don't get other effects. Right now, it seems that you must take First Revelation if you want to cast any cursebound spells. I hope there is an errata.

[@jeanrios5402]

I'll make an oracle now ty.

[@jerryb6485]

I was told there would be punch and pie.

[@Nonat1s]

You were lied to

[@DuckyDarko]

Legit love it

[@otherspooder6079]

an important note for battle mystery, status penalities don't stack, so stupefied and the penalty to saving throws don't stack, just the worse one applies

[@krobi26]

turns out you don't count as your own "ally" ...so battle oracle's "call to arms" doesn't affect yourself.

[@swordsman1612]

Ha! Fighters: We even make Oracle subclasses awesome!

[@SebastienPatriote]

I'm playing a level 20 Gestalt Barbarian/Oracle. Very cool to roleplay, mechanically it's a mess and a very bad mix. Casting while raging is hard enough. But add the curse to all this?? Yeah it's fun, but if you want to min/max, choose something else lol

[@MrRJPE]

I'm confused by this class. You get more focus points early on and can recover 2 instead of 1 when you refocus, but you are limited on how many you can use because you'll become overwhelmed and unable to cast focus spells. If this is correct, then the extra focus points and recovery are meaningless unless you take a dedication that also gives a non-revelation focus spell to use. Am I wrong?

[@MrRJPE]

Still watching the video and notice that if you don't have your curse active and use the Battlefield Persistence reaction focus spell you gain +2 to the saving throw but then become cursed and take a -1 to saving throws, removing half of the bonus from the spell.

[@xdragoonzero0]

Personally I hate how the 2e Oracle is designed. It's not any mechanical flaw, it's just that coming from the 1e Oracle, this one feels so railroaded. With the 1e -> 2e Cleric you can pick any domain while still getting the Caster/Martial option (because I understand you shouldn't be a god at both like 1e Cleric). However, 2e Oracle doesn't get that choice whereas they previously did. I also don't like how every Mystery has a specific curse, but I suppose that's something that could be changed with alternate class options in the future. The whole way curses are handled through is amazing, and I think if my two other issues were fixed in the future then Oracle would go back to being my favorite class again.

[@nessesaryschoolthing]

That last one reminds me of Biotics from Mass Effect.

[@ReaperGrimm5594]

Okay, Orc Barbarian with the Battle Oracle Archetype.

[@thekingofcats27]

This is as difficult as remembering that you chose to make tindertwigs as an alchemist

[@stephhanley3167]

Why did you do an alchemist deep dive, then the barbarian, and then follow it up with oracle? I was looking forward to a bard deep dive, but I guess that will have to wait.

[@Nonat1s]

I actually started out with the Investigator Deep Dive, followed by Alchemist and Barb. I'm following the pattern of an APG class, 2 CRB classes, APG class, 2 CRB classes, etc.

[@stephhanley3167]

@@Nonat1s The oracle is looking good so far. It's nice to see the oracle's curse actually cause detrimental effects in 2e. In 1e, the curse penalty was hardly noticeable.

[@joker2k203]

....I think I'm just going to try a cleric 1st 😵‍💫😢

[@JamesTillmanjimthegray]

the bone oricle could take the sentinel archetype :)

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[@jonday2594]

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[@bootifulb4427]

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[@elsewhereprince3969]

The whole drawback that you can’t mitigate in any way, bugs the munchkin part of my brain. One combo I found interesting though was combining Dragon Barbarian with Flame Oracle. I initially thought of the idea because I thought the temp hp could help soak up the damage and then as I was looking into it I realized that fire rage damage combo’d well with incendiary aura. As for ancestries there is of course dragonborn, or perhaps elemental heart dwarf, or if you really want to go all in with the pyromania there is torch goblin.

[@night2501]

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[@thomaskrol8574]

This thursday im playing in a game and im playing as a cosmos oracle poppet who is in a cult

[@Lcirex]

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[@coolio3267]

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