OLD vs NEW Garou Ultimate: Which one is better? ft.

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[@wellworkss]

i accidentally enabled a setting for my mic so thats why i might sound a bit weird in the second half of the video also it turns out using the old garou ult method removes the speed buff you usually get from ultimates, didnt realize this until final editing

[@Rioyyfb]

You should have given yourself a speed buff similar to the speed increase on the new ult so we could see the difference crushed rock actually makes

[@Cuphead-d2b]

Ok

[@spectralfilmer1264]

Hi

[@Therealgoose69]

ok

[@NoahJosefAstoveza]

Don't forget about Xbox player lock on is almost impossible to that cross rock and strength difference garou and matal bat xbox is very good with them do to the lock on

[@Blufish-mu5pq]

we all know garou is a sweat character and the only reason ppl use the ult is for heals

[@user-nf8id6di9b]

Why is this so accurate💀

[@elbuissonmignon]

+ They never use Crushed Rock as a combo starting move cuz they prefer using their side dashes 💀

[@xdpozu]

@@elbuissonmignon ??

[@BecomeRatt]

​@@elbuissonmignon❌❌❌❌❌❌❌❌

[@iamyourmaster2565]

@@elbuissonmignonthe have to use crushed rock as a combo starter, they can’t use it after the opponent is on the ground. Rock splitting fist has to be used as a combo ender.

[@Superdoopercoolguy]

Thank you,I didn’t know this.I also have this cool little thing I learned with tatsumaki that if you do Stone grave,then windstorm fury,The windstorm will glitch in place and it helps a lot with catching enemies.

[@Chaoxso]

11:06 “This is my final stand!” Ah luck 😂

[@jazzy_burrito]

For the chasing segment, italso worth noting that Garou's ult moveset was designed at a time where no-one could run so effectively. Remember, the only two characters were "Bald Hero" and Garou. So the speed boost was enough at the time. Not anymore, though!

[@P3BBL4]

I started TSB after it started to get popular when garou got released, his old ult moves were pretty good to combo with each other when he wasn't changed yet.

[@evonhong1148]

I only joined TSB becuase I watched a sketch video and wanted to try it

[@ankushalmightgamer]

Past lives

[@luffygaming972]

It was so ez to combo just used the first move then third then second it used to be such an easy combo

[@albiskeller8058]

Still nothing changed hero hunter at this point​@@luffygaming972

[@iamsam2392]

2:54 the counter move is also an old finisher for preys peril

[@phycoeclipse2125]

No it wasn't preys peril had no finisher back then

[@cheeto155]

Does anyone remember old crushed rock?..

[@hoganhuang1414]

Ye

[@edithborjas448]

Yea it used to just knock them down without going back the going back was used as a finisher to crushed rock

[@rajkumarbanerjee9236]

No one talks about that old animation sadly

[@Jimmy27397]

2:20 you can actually confirm crushed rock because 1. your hit box stays where your flung for a few milliseconds, 2. you cannot dodge fast enough, and 3. I think the length of your side dash and backdash are reduced. Sure, you could counter it with atomic samurai or garou but its still a 50 50 you go against those characters.

[@Honzik207]

note that if Garou player has brain, he will not use the crushed Rock to hit you, wasting your counter. This will prepare you for a hot plate of final hunt/whatever moves Garou has at his disposal.

[@SealGaminSeal]

Thats what im sayin

[@quickhallsshow576]

The new version is slightly better in my opinion cuz chasing people is literally HELL

[@joel784]

Atleast you are not treated like a monkey

[@ZebracopYT]

This is kinda a blast for the past. I played the game when this moves where garous ult

[@-RandomStranger-]

Same

[@breakfastforone8844]

LETS GOOOOOOO NEW UPLOAD

[@TheBallsInspector]

uh.. quick tip.When used rock splitting fist.. quickly side dash when it ends then use the dash move. It should be either 50/50 to hit the opponent

[@splatboynick5149]

fun fact about crushed rock is that the final part when you smash them into the ground was only a finisher for the move before it was changed

[@opsoo2229]

I feel like the crushed rock diss is too much, it's actually a great option for movement and even if old garou ult had a speedboost 90% of the time you weren't gonna catch your opponent, and rock splitting fist is meant to be a combo ender so comparing it to hunter cruelty which is a combo extender is unfair.

[@SaNicbOom6767]

I think people don't know when to use crushed rock and thats why they think the move its bad

[@Koalbalt]

Plus, you can also use Crushed Rock as a combo extender with a mini-upprrcut into flowing water and then final hunt. Just gotta know how to use it right!

[@Koalbalt]

@SaNicbOom6767 Exactly, and I'm not saying that the old moves didn't combo together more easily, but they diss Crushed Rock specifically way too much

[@tikcu5173]

​​@@SaNicbOom6767Materia said it's the worst move + it has a ton of startup no matter how good you use it. Before near update it even used to be PUNISHABLE BECAUSE YOU LANDED IT. Literally anyone who could counter rc could punish you FOR SUCCESSFULLY LANDING IT. Floaty just played it terribly against new moveset because if he just kept dashing he would have avoided every crushed rock easily.

[@lagoofysilly]

@@tikcu5173crushed rock shouldnt be used as a dash move

[@Gamerz_Land450]

i remember the old garou ult it was overpowerd and so cool i remember it being like orange and a orange spot on your eye

[@squggily]

Honestly, I think they should’ve swapped hunters cruelty with crushed rock instead of rock splitting fist because hunters cruelty is just a hunters grasp finisher but doomed prey should stay but have some buffs like it can counter more moves including ultimate moves and maybe have deflected projectiles do more dmg too. I’m not sure but I think I just really miss the old move set.

[@Yarukiganai]

Crushed rock is actually pretty good considering once someone uses an ultimate in public half the server also does causing A LOT of dust particles to appear making you unable to see jack.

[@vitia2285]

i heard somewhere even this cant access the true old garou ult because the old garou ult had much more Invincibility frames, but still very cool how we can see a part of the TSB history

[@SAIGO369]

also the old one was so good everyone was running bc of the how op it was but now bc of the explosion it does

[@Hello_1742]

I remember the first time I joined TSB, Genos was still in process, but the moment I ACTUALLY played the game was when they were working on Metal bat

[@seally_mylike]

same

[@phycoeclipse2125]

​@@seally_mylikeI remember that like 1 yr ago I was playing with some of my friends ( private servers were not free) and we were always 3rd partied I have no idea what preys peril did and it was so funny

[@seally_mylike]

@@phycoeclipse2125 private srvers were free, but not private+

[@mrmagmacube3065]

I personally think new Garou ult is better because crushed rock is a dash move and their are no ranged moves in the old ult, if your really good like Wellworks (obviously) you will be able to hit them ez pz but with new players learning the game, or players that have been playing for a little while may not be able to hit it, just because they may not have mastered side dashing or forward dashing. but you can think what you want. and I hope I dont start an arguement.

[@weirdodudeman]

Tip: To baffle someone when you wanna rock splitting fist then crushed rock, sidedash anywhere then crushed rock. Enemy most likely will dash to you or sidedash away, which will fail, considering the jump length of crushed rock.

[@mysteriousnecoarcy]

2:30 fun fact: rock splitting fist can get countered too. i remember countering it with prey's peril

[@mysteriousnecoarcy]

4:15 i think to be smart, if the person using sonic that had a brain, would sort of fight back, but try not to get caught, and it depends on the behaving of the person you chasing. here are types: Runner: Runs away, Everytime you need to use crushed rock ATLEAST to get them with your garou ult. The one who fights back and loses: do i need to explain this? The one with death counter: doesn't know that final hunt bypasses death counter. The Dude who counters your crushed rock: combos you gets you to a very low hp point basically that's all, correct me if i am wrong here.

[@mysteriousnecoarcy]

if the sonic user gets caught, they'd usually ragequit for sure. but some just don't give up on making you chase and completly oblierate your ult by you wasting it cuz you chasin em, if you target soemone else(i think) they'd start targetting ya. that's all.

[@nonameidea7353]

​@@mysteriousnecoarcyu never explained of countering tho

[@nonameidea7353]

And no u can't if ur inside it can't be counted if it miss then it becomes just air cus no water

[@TheHighLvlDude]

Ngl I personally would’ve preferred the old Ult but with the speed of the new one, cuz not only would you have the potential to catch up to runners but also a move set that works well with eachother

[@PoisonEditors]

I first time played TSB when it was called Saitama Battlegrounds now its The Strongest Battlegrounds. i like the saitama ult tho, 4 moves, 1 shot, instant kill except for serious punch if the opponent is full health

[@EggDude-im4gy]

Hunter’s grasp was a ending attack in the old ult and prey peril was a prey peril then a down slam…

[@andrewmalbon]

1:04 hunters grasp is hunters cutlery, and the counter move is doomed, pray

[@Ilovetdsducks]

Old garou ult move giving me nostalgia moment when I first use garou

[@ChupapiMynana]

New garou ult: hehe, funny dash Old garou ult:FEAR ME, I CAN ONE SHOT YOU FOR SECONDS! Redacted: OMFG 150+ likes FOR 12 HOURS. THX BOIS

[@BobuxManSus]

that is so true tho, i remember in the old times when someone had garou ult almost NO ONE tried to go after him

[@boggy7091]

So can the new one wdym ☠️

[@yobitsgaming]

@@boggy7091dude there was so many more combos u could do with old garou.

[@yobitsgaming]

@@boggy7091it was way better

[@BobuxManSus]

@@yobitsgaming your so right🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Starbird75122]

3:52 use it at close range after some m1s if they’ve used side dash

[@sukritigupta1657]

2:50 the counter move was called doomed prey

[@marouane2354]

I got a move idea for garous ult name : rock of the flowing cascade : the person slams the ground then picks a rock then he rapidly throws it and you cant counter it cuz its too fast and unpredictable if the owner sees this garou needs range

[@multiversedoge]

Am i the only one whos clicking on wellwork videos that have been made 10-50 seconds ago.

[@Abdullah94254]

Not only u

[@deemobgomaa4983]

Yeah indeed

[@PhoenixCCZ]

Crushed rock is like choso blood thing, it have long startup, then goes fast for start and after that goes really slow

[@dumb_koi3]

Hunter cruelty is actually crude because it does less damage now and actually you can do more attacks while the hunter’s cruelty is the main first attack and yet they can escape.

[@penglordo]

even before the doomed prey move, it had a version that was a counter, which was just Preys Peril but faster, and blows em away really far in the air.

[@TheCatHasFallen]

I thought for a sec i was the only person that thinks this, cause i thought i had a mandela effect where garous ult counter use to actually knock away opponents instead of doing a slam

[@forgotten6769]

isnt that the finisher?

[@epicnightmare5600]

@@forgotten6769 there werent any finishers before they would just ragdoll

[@bigbosses4686]

I have an idea: What if Crushed Rock had an aoe for when he misses sort of like Thunder Kick’s aoe, but he doesn’t get quite as much damage. The other option is to change the move into something into something like Toji’s shadow blitzing ult move like in Cursed Arena

[@goofuston]

probaly the ground smash thing could just be the old crushed rock anim when you land it but a bit more impactful i guess also no the shadow blitz idea kinda sucks since its completely wack like the fight mechanic

[@chickenkyrie]

I just saw the new psychic move. Its name was like expulsive push or something like that and you could use it twice. But when I tried it, it was broken for me. I checked again and they removed it

[@Mightbebens107]

you guys aren't noting that garou just recently got a new buff, which is the removed endlag for when you hit your crushed rock. This means that if you hit crushed rock you can instantly use final hunt and they wont be able to escape it. This is why new garou ult is just better

[@gabyjohal]

Old Garou was so good

[@bigbosses4686]

It was only good because of their being no runners. If it was still in use today, it would be worse.

[@-RandomStranger-]

​@@bigbosses4686 it was better used when the ENEMY popped ult first, since it had a much bigger awakening range, and the enemy was forced to either fight you or waste their ult (although there was only Saitama and a little of Genos back then)

[@richisdaman]

I remember this cuz I started playing when Garou was still early access

[@Memmmeeboiiiiiiiii]

4 months late but when u did the ult preys peril it used to wring around like it did with crushed rock now

[@m0Onst4r302]

I join in your group bc it's fun and sub=)

[@curioustheking]

I think they need to bring the old preys peril back since it's the only base counter move that can't be combo extended (if the move is hit completely) unlike atomic samurai's counter which can be combo extended

[@snuffels2012]

doomed prey would be a cool finisher for old prey peril before a finsiher got added

[@Rigged2Explode]

Gotta remember that Old garou was actually nearly completely invincible in his ult, cause the old barrage had i-frames and on top of that his counter was pretty solid. And his final hunt didnt deal as much dmg, which made up for hunter's cruelty being able to combo extend.

[@-RandomStranger-]

Also the range of final hunt was much bigger

[@D-8092-SCP]

I think I thought of something that could help,not completely solve the fact that Garous ultimate is basically used as a free heal but could still help, passive:hunters mark,when a player is hit by garous ultimate awakening they get slowed down by 35% this will apply until the player is dead or until the ultimate is gone

[@D-8092-SCP]

Or maybe it could go on stacks of 10% all the way up to 50% but then again if someone really tries they can avoid most of garous ultimate moves,also it’d cause a little more chaos as then most people would be slowed

[@miguel8250]

the only thing i dislike about the garou ult is the fact that it can get countered like any normal ability

[@mikrobio9]

wellworks upload life is good

[@shavetamittal3191]

There was a time when there was hunters cruelty with crushed rock, that was the best garou ult time

[@ammar9068]

idk why but i think you and floaty are the best duo like goku and vegeta or saitama and genos

[@amygibson1965]

Well they did buff crushed rock that way u can instantly use a move after it because before u had end lag and now not anymore

[@nathanleezhenweimoe]

I feel like garou's crushed rock is actually pretty good, Although it's easy to counter, it's very easy to hit when you side dash and use it, if they have a counter you basically have 3 moves.

[@a5t3r1sk]

I just found out about a second split counter glitch last week. The guy basically did a death cpunter using split second on the wr9ng guy Apparently its a bug ingame

[@mudaheavenessensiondii9900]

They should add a update to hunter grasp giving more stun cuz it’s only useab E with with its tech which most people can’t do against pro players

[@ZainnhyGoon]

Crushed rock and doomed prey should've been combined with each other. Like the startup is the counter, then the dash.

[@neil5165]

Fun fact: preys peril was called doomed prey in his old ult. useless but if u were wondering

[@user-zv6co6oz7e]

litteraly shows

[@neil5165]

@@user-zv6co6oz7e shows what?

[@Asian_Phan]

he literally said what it was called before and people that played long time ago would know🤦‍♂❤💩🍆😩🤓👽🗿coems🤑😈😭❗😢😂💀🔥😡😈😔ඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞඞ🍆+🍑+🥛=👶

[@neil5165]

Kids I mean to the new people that haven't played when it was older yall stupid 🤣

[@neil5165]

@@Asian_Phan ayyo

[@Crusty_cheddar]

Fun fact that most people know! Doomed prey is a instant attack,and preys peril has 1 second then attack If you don’t get it preys peril has a small charge you when you counter them Idk how to explain

[@arfthegamer5521]

My opinion crushed rock is good because it can serve as a combo extender after the 3rd m1 although not true the opponent is forced to use there side dash and you can kinda bait them into doing it then punish them with crushed rock

[@epicsharky2345]

I just missed doomed preys. Imagine having a very low cooldown time counter in your ultimate and base.

[@M.FadhlanAZ-qr1lf]

Imagine if they are just changed the ult counter to crushed rock. That will be so powerful.

[@albiskeller8058]

Can u say it right bc i had a headache after i read this do u mean the counter got changed into crushed rock?

[@foxtyx6713]

We are killing teamers with this one!! 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[@ZoroRoronoa469]

Yessir we are dude 😎🗣🔥🗿

[@maradaxus]

Wopaganganstale🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@jamesvictorbarrera6836]

​@@maradaxusaybasilsilbeysil arturgatun na bay beylin 🗣🗣🔥🔥

[@houchansothearith6179]

I’m pretty sure old garou was more like “catch them and you win” type ult.

[@laurieannegross9156]

we subcre'bing with this one🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🥶🥶🥶

[@SAIGO369]

man i miss the old garou ult it had ifrmes combo extenders IT WAS GOOD but now it is to use it only for the health :(

[@aariqkhasfi8252]

Imagine if they bring back garou ult counter like it can counter sonic ult and genos and metalbat atomic samurai

[@psu_k]

its a no brainer these ult moves got removed, once you got caught in a garou ult's grasp it'd be impossible to escape them. they replaced the moves to make garous ult more easier to escape. then again they were literally just copy and pasted from the normal garou moveset

[@arandomguywitharandomlife]

i feel like alot of people already knows this but there's a TRUE combo that no one can escape not even with evasive,and its the easiest combo: 1+2

[@Sillybillywastaken]

For combos, old is a bit better, but for chasing runners new clears

[@user-hu4cc6pf6n]

Hey new trim to get cool aura. Press give ultimate and then activated so many times will go get it.

[@sifumonkey78]

it just needs a full on rework, maybe monster garou. I think the old version isn't very creative because it just reuses his base moveset while the newer one just doesn't compete with the other characters

[@michellesullivan7541]

I think the new garou ult contrast Garou in the anime alot better. He stops trying to go for combos and just trys to kill you, that's all he is focused on, with 2 dashes he's always on your tail. He's smelled blood and the waters are coated red. He is done reading your attacks and finding counterplay, all he is trying to do is finish you.

[@bobbyuser1]

Tbh the new moveset is a better counter ult than others (except satiama), where you can chase, punish but be punished and very lethal (as he has a move that goes through satiama’s death counter) basically making a character where if you’re not careful you will die however, his old moveset is more of a combo ult where each and every move, perfectly combines into each other allowing the highest damage out put and hard to punish as well, basically a god damn Truck you do not want to be hit by. Also the old moveset fits garou more in my opinion and I prefer the combo too.

[@bobbyuser1]

P.S I just realised this is technically better against teamers as it has a lot more AOE and has a counter

[@Mirax_]

btw garou ult was very anoying because it was like the base moveset but broken and chasing a guy with that was a nightmare and more because they always wanted to bait ur counter and u always had to get very close to the player but the garou 3 ultimate move didn’t really needed the rework it just made him worse for the ult combo but the old 4 garou ultimate move was the one that always had to shit the whole ultimate

[@oaristhegoat]

You got to remember with the old move set, sonic wasn't out so it's unfair

[@Kirathefurry]

i found you in my server yesterday

[@xqloxo]

The old ult used the regular flowing water, it just slammed you into the ground.

[@chris2008]

literally no one dares to hit you back when doomed prey still exist but now that crushed rock replaced sonic users just spam you to death since you cant counter (i know you can block it but its still annoying asf since it takes up so much time)

[@AwakenedAsianGamer]

Bro made a game theory : which garou ultimate is better video

[@Silentjay.]

my favorite is new garou just cuz the cursh rocked buff

[@TheFett301]

i feel like new garou ult is very good for runners whil old garou ult is very good for combos and defense (old garou ult had big Iframes back in the day)

[@marmaje6953]

Why not combine prey’s peril and crushed rock as ultimate? Basically it acts like prey’s peril at first, if not used to counter anybody then you will dash forward like crushed rock. Boom, 2 moves in one. Btw that also means longer windup as a crushed rock but now at least you got very op counter/dash.

[@jjl_6473]

3 m1, crushed rock, water stream rock smashing, final hunt

[@lucasstengel2385]

Bro had the most INSANE luck at 11:03

[@kalcey1857]

tip for landing crushed rock: step 1: waste their ragdoll step 2: land an m1 combo (m1 + m1+ m1+ uplift) step 3: use crushed rock step 4: profit

[@HorizonOnDaHorizonYT]

I’m probably going insane but I think Garou used to have a crushed rock variant when it would immediately smash you into the ground by grabbing your face and pushing you down but I have no idea if it’s real lol

[@Ilovecalamitas]

its just the old variant of it. the new one is the old's finisher

[@Blzafrfr]

LETSS GOOO

[@jiyop_]

All they have to do is remove the end lag when you miss crushed rock for it to be somewhat viable

[@specificocean4176]

Lower the startup aswell, its so easy to react to

[@OminousGooberX]

I started playing TSB when it used to be Hunter's Cruelty ._.

[@CharlieScrotum]

you guys should 1v1 with old garou moveset vs new garou moveset, then we can see which is actually better

[@Viyde]

honestly crushed rock depends on the player. The example you used of rock splitting fist which isn't supposed to be used as a combo starter wasn't a good example but i guess it does explain your point about the gap to dodge. But crushed rock is used as a combo starter because if you use crushed rock + water stream + final hunt you can kill them instantly. If you dont have final hunt you go into rock splitting fist instead. I get that they shouldn't have replaced the counter with crushed rock, But at the same time i dont think it would be fair to have a counter in an ult. It would make a Saitama main like me cry a river. I think instead of using crushed rock after splitting fist you should side dash + dash to save that ability. And once they dodge you use it, works most of the time for me because they waste their dash.

[@faulire8486]

Who else misses the orange aura and the eye glint garou's ult used to have

[@Batistuta-ft3vs]

2:28 yea but if you have bad ping (like me) thats impossible.. (unless you have ragdoll cancel) btw my ping is 200 - 300 in public/private

[@0neth1ngTheStrongest]

Its called doomed prey a.k.a crushed rock before (i played old garou before in the genos upd)

[@aburger1guy]

bro remember when crushed rock had a finisher

[@onishiranui]

this debate can stay up in arms but the old music and yellow aura went way harder imngl

[@user-ty9ln9hc5y]

The old moves were hunters cruelty and doomed prey

[@Imjustanormalpeopl]

The normal move for garou stay the same all the time but the garou ult I'm not glad they took out the counter it was honestly better than the dash cause the dash side dash cancel it can get parryed by every counter can get disabled and anyone can side dash the counter was better

[@ISEEYOU979]

hunter's cruelty is literally just the hunter's grasp finisher with less damage