Old vs New Zombies (ending the debate)

[@TimHansenYT]

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[@BlueBlur2003]

Definitely old. But BO6 is the most fun I've had since BO3, it just needs some changes and I hope post launch gets better.

[@Camdl06]

@@BlueBlur2003 i 100% agree with you

[@Maffuee]

day two of asking for a $50 xbox card for the dlc maps if I shave my head bald and send a vid

[@nutellathehut1790]

I hate nice Tim say more slurs

[@mychealmcknight7963]

Tim I'm sorry this is a really stupid comparison because you know damn well people are going to choose the old maps the old mechanics everything that happened in the old zombies people are going to choose that regardless

[@lImpaGl]

Its the atmosphere that made zombies great and which got lost in modern Cod games.

[@ThidDrutsburg]

I do agree, the only map with atmosphere in Cold War was Mauer Der Toten and Die Maschine; BO6 is picking it up with Terminus and the new map releasing.

[@TREVORVADER]

Yeah that’s a big part of it. Zombies used to have a distinct feel but now it feels like no different from the rest of the game. Feels like the zombie mods from multiplayer back in the day more than actual zombies.

[@A1thousand]

This

[@Haven-Babin]

@@TREVORVADERbo3 washe las zombies hater like zombies. B04 changed because of fucking fortnite, and so they created a whole new shitty system, that zombies incorporated. Then Warzone came and Cold War sucked ass. There is no difference in Cold War zombies and Cold War multiplayer or warzone, it sucks

[@randomdachshund2452]

@@TREVORVADERyeah remember the atmosphere bo2 zombies had seeing the world in ruins covered in debris with the only thing showing through the fog being the massive cracks in the earth along with the earthquakes violently shaking the world and then going into transit seeing how destroyed everything is with the floor of the world cracking opening lava spilling out and all the cars littering the streets crashed and flipped looking like they lost control as the earthquakes hit and crashed and or where abandoned on the side of the road the atmosphere was insane

[@onixhastaser1297]

What I dislike the most with the points change is that it is designed with the thought process that everyone gets the same amount of points equally, but in reality the person with the most points will get rid of the most zombies, therefore, hogging more and more points over time to themselves leaving even less points to everyone else in the future. This was never an issue with the original point system as zombie eliminations had no relation to points.

[@elijahhannum]

💯💯💯

[@smithnyou2352]

Assists still give you full points

[@BiqRedOne]

@@smithnyou2352everyone hoards separately (at least in most cases)

[@ohnoflamingo7029]

Something I wasn’t realizing in the beginning..

[@uktomlamb]

I’m 25 and I can say there was a significant theme change from BO3 onwards, and I think a lot of us who grew up with WaW onwards will agree that zombies just isn’t the same - and a lot of us don’t like the drastic changes that have developed over the last 15 or so years

[@josh.miller]

agreed. Except BO3 is my favorite.

[@thephilosophyminor]

I just wrote this same comment in different words 😂 tip my hat to you sir

[@bhopirl4552]

im 25 and i like the new ones.. I do agree the atmosphere is better in older games but I really enjoy both, especially cold war and bo6 gameplay mechanics, they are very fun

[@thehomieoof]

Ngl as someone born in the 2000’s (2005) being able to play both new and old zombies growing up, I can say both zombies are fun as long as you aren’t blinded by nostalgia, I play most games with an open mindset and don’t look for the flaws first.

[@definitelynotclickbait6173]

same here brother

[@Leo.de99]

Are you even allowed to play cod lol (I’m an old head)

[@definitelynotclickbait6173]

@ i’m 19 buddy

[@Austinfright]

I’m 27 and I grew up playing the OG zombies. I was like 11 or so when WaW and consequently zombies came out. You didn’t play them growing up the same way. You had to go back to play them which isn’t the same. Having played the originals as they came out and the new ones I like them both

[@georgec9384]

​@Austinfright you can definitely be like 4 or 5 and play zombies. Most ppl born in the 2000s played them. Thus youtuber is 24 he def played em the same way. He wasn't even a teen when they dropped.

[@jangotrooper3382]

Can’t we accept that og zombies were good and modern zombies like Cold War and bo6 are also really good. Different styles but working under the same formula of zombies. The foundations of zombies are there for both og and new zombies. Og has cooked and games like Cold War and bo6 are cooking

[@TheUnknown-cm1gp]

Absolutely, it all boils down to people who grew up with old games refusing to accept that new can also be good, even if it don't fit their specific preferences. It's the age old "things were better back in MY time" argument. Bo6 is the best zombies we've had in a while, and it's definitely perfecting the formula that had been brewing since Bo4/CW. People just like hating on the new stuff so they'll feel better about themselves for being "TRUE OGs!!!!"

[@RedEyesWokeGoose]

I have enjoyed every Tryarch game I played. I have nothing against both old and bad

[@ni7aa425]

lmao ofc we cant since the new cods are straight up terrible

[@EvanThompson-bo5zv]

@@ni7aa425k then go play the older games then

[@ni7aa425]

@@EvanThompson-bo5zv oh dw i dont play zombies now since it s garbage

[@Nimzo1]

I’m 30 and played World at War Zombies when it was the current COD! I really like BO6 Zombies, it’s extremely fun and the innovation was necessary for it to survive. You can’t really compare them because they’re totally different games now. I miss the horror, terror and desperate fight for survival in world at war Zombies, but it’s a one trick pony, not every map can do the same thing. I’m glad we have both, and enjoy both classic and new zombies for very different reasons.

[@lukaszh.4698]

I just cannot overlook that ad. I just love your genuine smile while being with your kids. You love being a great dad, and it's awesome!!

[@true_patriot_5566]

I love all 3 eras of zombies, the experimental era with bo3, IW, and bo4. The classic era being waw, bo1, and bo2. And the modern era being Cold War and bo6. It just depends on what I feel like playing day to day.

[@shpennn]

i feel like bo2 is a part of the experimental side as well since they tried to broaden the maps like Tranzit, Mob, Buried, Origins especially with new innovating things on those maps as well.

[@phr3ui559]

ok

[@tarantolopictures481]

Yes but it’s annoying how they can’t just settle on something. BO4 has some great maps that are held back by the terrible perk system and kill based point system. Zombies should be relatively the same mechanically and for some reason they keep changing it

[@iLoveMiIfs]

Can we just agree that modern zombies has tons of issues that needs to be fixed ? Issues that og zombies didn’t have? Bc that’s just facts

[@xdhyperion-6716]

I grew up on bo1 and bo2 zombies and am currently playing bo6 and all I can say is I fucking love zombies man

[@therealmarce440]

Fr man

[@mychealmcknight7963]

Black ops 6 zombies is honestly in my opinion The most decent zombies we've had in a very long time now all I ask what this game is tone down the mini boss/elites health and buff the damage on the weapons at least a little bit more so people won't resort to spamming the GS45s the entire game

[@therealmarce440]

@ 100%

[@arizonadrama]

World at war top tier.

[@suhaaschennapragada5711]

​@mychealmcknight7963 Yeah my 2 biggest issues are the excessive mini boss spam and the weapon damage. 99% of weapons become useless after round 30-35, and I have to resort to only using a wonderweapon past that point or gs45 or lr 7.62

[@KrazyRabb1t]

BO1 is best

[@killertruth186]

Best of both worlds.

[@LastGenRichtofenn]

Yesssss. Movement is top tier and training was the hardest and most technical.

[@richardgarrison8328]

Love you

[@BectonBen98]

just downloaded waw to play nacht der untoten again, it was actually refreshing how simple it was

[@jeremyscungio16]

I always have waw on my Xbox for that reason. Nacht is just always fun for a game or two

[@WhatUpLub]

Now play only nacht 10 times

[@georgec9384]

Yeah and then I got bored in 5 mins. No EE. No good weapons. No perks or pack. Zombie chronicles was peak but straight up the classic 4 maps kinda were boring.

[@BectonBen98]

@@georgec9384 sounds like a skill issue to me

[@georgec9384]

@@BectonBen98 yeah those devs at the time really lacked skill and polish. Thankfully by the end of bo2 they got pretty skillful. And cold war onwards they're masters of the craft

[@vinny8204]

tim looks like a full dad now

[@NoahtheGameplayer]

He looks like some guy who worked in a diner

[@Crimzon-]

Daddy Tim

[@9000Dogs]

Replaced the baby's sucker with a Gobblegum. Milk replaced with Perk-A-Cola.

[@Fanorst]

Was it the kids that gave it away?

[@vinny8204]

@ meant in the sense of looks

[@aquaimperative5618]

I hate this objectivity that we all try to apply to zombies. Someone who's favorite map is Die Maschine is just as valid as someone who's favorite map is Origins. There's little objectivity to these maps and its all down to the subjectivity of what you find important in a map. For me, my top 3 maps are Origins, Dead of the Night, and Zetsubou

[@porafriken]

exactly. there’s no objectivity to any of this really, some don’t like any zombies some like everything and there’s inbetween. just enjoy what you enjoy.

[@apophics6758]

nah you’re wrong, people who have been playing zombies since the old days have a more valid opinion on what makes zombies good, and that’s just a fact, anyone can come in from warzone for example and say liberty falls is the best map ever made when it just isn’t, but how would they know any better if they haven’t played shadows of evil for example, or mob or origins.

[@mccann9355]

Glad to see another dead of the night fan 🙌

[@GPODante.2]

@@apophics6758while op does make a valid point I do gotta say I agree with you more a lil, just fucking sucks that we get looked at like we in the wrong when in reality we just trying to let it be known they didn’t have to do so many drastic changes, especially the point system. They try and say we want the game to be “easy” like round 30 should not feel like round 50 or above, you want zombies to be challenging? Grind the rounds it’s not even that hard and you can blow by rounds especially solo. Liberty being best map? When we had simplicity like town or nuketown sure there weren’t boss zombies but it was the layout that was the challenge same with die rise despite it getting horrible flak is a really fun map because of its layout and challenge not just +5 bullet sponge manglers in a open area.

[@thekingofnoobs8362]

​@GPODante.2 i cant believe he said dead of the night as top 3 maps

[@Captain.Cannoli]

0:16 should have said “what is better the Olympia or M14? Wait wrong video.”

[@GPODante.2]

It’s not even that I dislike modern zombies that much it’s the fans that pretend like classic zombies is just about nostalgia and continue to negate the fact that the mode they like today wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for how peak the older titles were

[@sbombfitness]

Who cares if the older modes “were the foundation of modern zombies”, that doesn’t matter if you’re objectively judging which one is funner to play. All that matters is your objective experience

[@GPODante.2]

@ it matters cause these modern enjoyers continue to disrespect it

[@TREVORVADER]

Yeah literally all the new fand in this comment section are calling everyone that thinks the old is better “nostalgia blinded” It’s like no I still play them and they’re still better. It’s not just me having played 10-15 years ago and looking back on it. I just think the entire design and philosophy of those games was more fun and more interesting overall. And yeah their current zombies wouldn’t ever have existed if our zombies hadn’t basically helped carry CoD for years ans been such a huge deal despite being just fun little secret side mode initially.

[@sbombfitness]

@@TREVORVADER the point is that it’s pretty subjective whether you think the older games are better than the new ones. I personally prefer Bo3 and on vs pre-bo3 games, even though I’ve been playing zombies since bo1. They just seem funner to me.

[@zm5470]

@@sbombfitnessohh it matters everything about zombies was better back then. If the game is SO MUCH better rn than no one would be complaining and the community wouldn’t be split. Everyone would be enjoying it but guess what IT AINT, its ASSS

[@ZachWhiteYT]

Hey I made a video on the zombies community breaking apart and honestly I'm glad Tim is in the middle like me, I appreciate you making this.

[@archieglover5481]

The problem with modern zombies is that all the classic elements of the gamemode are redundant. Box hits Useless Wallbuys Useless Using %90 of the weapons Useless Conserving points Useless

[@TREVORVADER]

Yeah without that stuff it’s hardly even zombies to me. Those mechanics were what made the mode.

[@codieharrell-zi2rs]

The fact he showed his two sons on a video is amazing

[@codieharrell-zi2rs]

I personally think his two sons are adorable

[@Sokol2211]

I've been playing zombies since waw seeing the first dlc verrukt drop. All the zombies up to now are fun in their own ways and have innovated or added because that's what happens over 10 plus years. It doesn't need to be a debate people just need to shut up and shoot zombies and enjoy the game they want to

[@colbycoles6983]

I don't think BO3 should be roped in with classic zombies, TBH. Gobblegums, AATs, and 3 hit without jugg made it feel leagues different than the 3 games before it.

[@iamoctonate]

I partially agree, but at the same time, it is the last time this game was mode was clearly identifiable as COD Zombies. Like if I was walking by and I saw someone playing it out of the corner of my eye, I would immediately go oh, that game is an evolution of WAW,BO1, and BO2. I don't think I would be able to do that with BO4 as easily, and would have zero ability to make that connection with CW and BO6.

[@sbombfitness]

Yeah thats exactly what I was thinking. BO1 Shangri La or WaW Nacht was waaaaay harder than Bo3 Giant or Der Eisendrache.

[@ThidDrutsburg]

@@iamoctonateYou can tell when a game mode is cod zombies because there's zombies in it... BO6 and Cold War still have multiple zombies elements, they just added more.

[@levex2512]

3 hits to die is not even a argument lmfao because zombies on bo3 are way faster

[@TREVORVADER]

It’s the last one that felt like classix zombies to me even if at the time it felt like a big leap. In the years since I’ve been willing to group in together. I think it’s good enough to at least not be grouped in with BO4 onwards. That were when the gameplay and everything really shifted.

[@crongusclips7836]

I don’t think zombies is the type of game where you have to keep changing the formula. The basic formula works. All they need to do is make new maps with cool new wonder weapons and Easter eggs.

[@TREVORVADER]

Yeah that’s basically what they did for years and it was fine. Then they started changing the fundamentals too much and things got messy

[@crongusclips7836]

@ 💯

[@JFKWENTAFK2]

I was playing WaW zombies with my dad at 9 and I have been pretty much growing up with the CoD games and I think it depends on what you're talking about.

[@aidenation101]

I think there is one more crucial category that was failed to be brought up in this video in terms of mechanics, and that’s the map variance. The thing that made classic zombies timeless throughout the years was the sheer difference in how almost every zombies map plays. It could be argued that modern zombies has the advantage of having a better weapon progression system because of how thorough it is, and on paper you’d be right. What classic zombies did to make up for the simplistic progression, or rather to expand upon it, would all be map dependent. Almost every map plays differently, even in the older games where zombies was still finding its footing. If I were to give an example of how each map feels and plays differently we’d be here all day, and that’s my point. Very few maps play and feel the same, because each map has its own unique twist to shape progression. The problem with modern zombies on this front, is that there was so much care put into how the weapon progression was interesting and balanced, that there was rarely anything put into maps that is nearly as unique as any classic zombies map. They all play the same because they all revolve around that central progression loop, and a lot of the maps don’t do enough to twist it in different directions. The only modern day zombies maps I remember catching my interest was Die Maschine and Mauer Der Toten. Say what you will about Cold War when compared to BO6, but at least Cold War still maintained different boss zombies that were dark twists on ones we encountered before with different abilities. Because now all we get is Manglers for the billionth time and abominations not following too far in their footsteps. What happened to megatons? Kranzy soldats? Even the amalgam boss feels like a mimic reskin. It feels a lot less original or innovative and more derivative and uninteresting, which only adds to how each map plays so similarly to each other.

[@user-galva]

Tim I just got to say I’ve been watching since probably 2017 and I remember when you had you’re kids and now there that big time just flies bye love you man

[@jberczi6]

These new style games (post BO4) are not for me personally. I've given CW and BO6 a chance and I'm just not as invested as with BO1/2/3. If it so happens that a larger percentage of the player base prefers the new style games to the old style games, then the designers are making the correct decisions and I'm at peace with that. You gotta do what pleases the masses

[@alexbasha0508]

Exactly… I’ve come to terms with it… And so, it’s just time to move on. It’s not for the likes of me anymore.

[@rylanmcclure2070]

My only problem with new zombies is the tone change. Old zombies felt dark bloody while new zombies feels like a video game. The same thing seems to be happening to almost all video games. The gears of war series being another example

[@HolisticJohn]

It’s like having an iPhone for 10 years, every year something new and cool is implemented but the barebones it’s still an iPhone. Now imagine you go get the next iPhone and it runs like an android. That’s what treyarch zombies is.

[@Chickenwingsinthedings]

This is so true

[@thephilosophyminor]

Agree

[@Insight-Nobody]

I hit the wall at BO3 tbh. It became less about zombie survival and more about other random monsters and side quests. Easter Eggs used to be a special, fun find that added something extra to the games. Now, easter eggs are basically mandatory mission objectives. This all started in Origins, but Origins felt more like a final boss where everything came to an end in a chaotic and difficult way. With BO3, every map was basically like Origins. I liked the simplicity of zombie survival with a decent focus on story, which is why I still think BO1 and BO2 are the goats and peak of zombies. It’s still a lot of fun from BO3 onwards, but definitely not the same as og zombies.

[@kaleb324]

now the randoms do their little tasks and exfil

[@christianworcester6851]

Im sorry man but i just cant accept that these new mechanics are good. The points system blows, the perk system is a good idea, but is ruined by the fact that they increase in price instead of having there own set price. This, in addition to needing FIFTY THOUSAND POINTS to fully upgrade a weapon makes it even worse, not to mention the salvage and rarity systems going on in the background. This isn't zombies anymore, its a camo grind, warzone pve mode.

[@LibradoCorona]

Tim summarizing his starting point at 2:45, is scarily accurate to my history with zombies. I feel like this is the most common amongst players

[@Xpertfusion]

I think Zombies from BO2-BO4 is my favorite era of Zombies and had the best maps and mechanics overall (including Infinite Warfare and WWII) Zombies before that was a little too barebones for my taste even though I loved it back then, and Zombies nowadays has a bunch of other issues holding it back (like the new point system and the Warzone influence), but it’s still fun.

[@timmy6402]

100% agreed bro. The Ole days were the shit for me and more competitive

[@CERRYGREENBAY]

My boy fusion

[@deedee4651]

100%. BO2, BO3, BO4 are zombies in its prime for me. I still love BO1 but like you said, a little too barebones. And the majority of weapons are awful in that game I’ve put a lot of time into CW and BO6 and I just can’t get into it and I think it boils down to all the changes they’ve made like the point system, weapon rarities, armor, killstreaks

[@TREVORVADER]

I love the feel of WaW as a whole. It’s just a good game even outside zombies. Same for BO1. I generally play that game if I wanna play some of the maps like Five or CotD that never got ported (not counting BO4)

[@OurSaiyan]

Ya know. I’m happy man. I’m freaking happy. I can go back and forth through time and play the old and new zombies. This is great man. Although things have changed, we can still enjoy the things we used to have, and the things we currently have.

[@damohill8498]

I love both old and new zombies and classic zombies, classic were scarier and more ominous but were fun and challenging modern zombies is fun sometimes challenging but does have its moments but all zombies ever made have its moments

[@Luke-ym7hd]

Cold War is awful though. As is Vanguards. BO3 BO1 BO2 WaW BO4 IW BO6 AW Cold War Vanguard. Thats my order and it’ll never change.

[@ThidDrutsburg]

@@Luke-ym7hdCold War is a mechanical masterpiece, it's above WaW, debate me.

[@willhutton1516]

I was born in 2000. I prefer slower, more horror-filled zombies experience than a fast-paced, objective game mode with zombies sounds and character skins.

[@Gr1ff-1333]

1:25 Oh god that rings too true… But we all know the only good ending is the moderate side. Kudos to you Timmy.

[@brandonharnett4247]

I really do miss some features of old zombies, but the cod bo6 zombies we have now is really fun on its own merits. We also have to wait and see what they do for new maps. A massive portion of where my enjoyment comes from with this new zombies is the extra rewards/upgrades you unlock for yourself as you play. its fun

[@7inchwarrior888]

I’m not hating on bo6 zombies, it is quite fun for one game but how easy and noob friendly the game is, makes it very boring for a OG WAW player. I miss when zombies stressed you out since one little mistake can get you killed in an instant. Hints why Verrückt is my all time favorite map

[@Zeniyibaby]

it stressed you out then because you sucked back then. we all did. I go back to those maps now and its much easier than i remember

[@sbombfitness]

The issue with the old games is that they get boring very quickly if you know there are newer games with more features. At the time, I never got bored of playing Kino or 5 because those were the newest maps with the most features. But if I played them know, I’d get bored and just play something newer like Bo3, CW or Bo6. I don’t let nostalgia blind me

[@TheDanovicYT]

@@Zeniyibabydef not true, i can make round 40 with 0 downs easily ok bo6, id have multiple downs by then on any other cod lmao

[@Zeniyibaby]

@@TheDanovicYT i guess for you. i raremy go down on old cids unless i get stuck or something

[@TheDanovicYT]

@@Zeniyibaby but thats my point, on bo6 i dont even gotta worry about going down lol

[@youngermikej88]

I'm 36 and this is the first zombies mode I've really enjoyed since bo2, i grew up playing the 1st cod on my dad's pc and played them all religiously, i fell off around bo3, wasn't just zombies, the multiplayer side of it aswell i just didn't like, i played a little cold war, ww2, warzone and the mw remasters but it never felt the same, i saw bo6 was available for free with game pass so thought I'd give it a try and see how my old ass stacks up now and I'm so glad i did, the multiplayer feels great to me, the zombies feels amazing, the changes they've made since i last truly played where badly needed, obviously i still miss the og crew and things like holding out for the lander on ascension with the boys whilst the song plays, but time's change, I've got 3 kids now, I'm not gonna let nostalgia stop me from enjoying what i think is arguably the best cod in a long time.

[@DogOfWar64]

I hate that BO6 added a melee perk but reduced the amount of points you get for melee kills

[@butsagyton5093]

The most infuriating change

[@jesseprice8919]

I mean that makes sense. Old games rewarded you for risky plays. Why would they make melee kills substantially easier and keep the same point value? That would seem very redundant. Cause then no one would play with guns. The new Perks make it less risky.

[@1m3agle]

I grew up with bo2 as my first zombies game, I have very fond memories of playing split screen co op on town at sleepovers and trying to get a high round (we weren’t that good, our record was 21 camping by double tap). With that being said I love the modern games and enjoy the mechanics for the most part. They made it fresh while still feeling like zombies, and that’s not easy to do. If they just stuck with the old formula the mode would’ve slowly died out as less and less people played. I love stuff like a zombies camo grind, it gives you a reward to chase, especially with it broken down to 4 mastery camos that you do in order. You get headshots, do the 2 special challenges, then do the gold challenge. Once you complete the number of guns that were in the class at launch you can do the opal challenge, then once you have opal for all guns you can go for afterlife, then after you do all of those you go for nebula. Nebula seems daunting but each challenge in the process is achievable and builds on the last

[@crash_suppression]

If there’s one thing 99% of all Zombies fans, new and old, can agree on… it’s that Vanguard was awful.

[@jarheadjared]

Fantastic Video! Wonderful reflection and a much needed message for our community!

[@Camdl06]

No debate old zombies will forever be better for the OGs and the newer generation will never understand Lets keep this in mind that this is just my opinion😂 I still have a ton of fun with zombies now, sometimes it just doesnt have the same vibe anymore, still super fun though

[@GothicHellhound]

Eh, started on bo1 but enjoyed the bo3/infinite zombies most

[@Xtreme-cg8ss]

So old is better for the old generation. Newer is better for the newer generation. In other words neither is actually better it just depends on who you are.

[@Camdl06]

@@GothicHellhound started on world at war and bo3 was kinda the transition between new and old gen, really enjoyed bo3 too and infinite as well. Still can enjoy the newer games but bo1 and bo2 were the best

[@Idk-fk4mq]

in the end its a preference you dont have to shove it at everyone who prefers the newer ones (and rightfully so)

[@ainiusprincas3328]

The thing is I understand im a never person I started playing zombies in bo3 I did not really like it, never enjoyed the gobblegum system (luck while rolling on which youll get from divinium, and also luck while rolling in the machine) I started kinda liking it more in bo4, dont attack me, I liked the ancient wonder weapon specialists, they were cool, op but cool. Cold war was my game I loved it but I got vanguard before cold war, damn vanguard, I dont ,,hate” it, but why no splitscreen zombies??? Cold war in my opinion made things better, yes I get it ,,easy game”. But I liked it, nay I LOVED it, from the perk system to the wonder weapons, to NON RNG BASED UPGRADES.

[@natekoch7095]

Good to see ya again Tim. Missed you❤️

[@littlemacisunderrated412]

There's a debate? I thought it was everyone saying old good new bad. Maybe they're just louder idk

[@marcfrankoro]

Nobody says news bad

[@xxstankyzxx2890]

@@marcfrankoroI do

[@iCookCrystalMeth]

@@marcfrankoroyeah they do lol

[@RandoManFPV]

You dont use youtube much?​@@marcfrankoro

[@Gr1ff-1333]

Definitely is that way. All the modern enjoyers are chill while the OG enjoyers are KZbinrs.

[@nashbraymen9564]

I started playing during the BO2 cycle so I started playing as the "old zombies" was fazing out. I've played a lot of hours on both but personally I find the "old zombies" to be far more replayable. WAW-BO2 also has this classic aura that no game has been able to replicate since.

[@TheDanovicYT]

Nice one tim, fence sitting really hard when in all reality we all know you prefer classic zombies

[@norbelarchilla5578]

I'm just glad round base is back, I don't even play it anymore but I'm relieved it's back

[@NotKenBlock94]

I personally think it really depends. I grew up with World at War and Black Ops, and one of my biggest fantasies at the time was that we would one day have the ability to use our own, hand-selected loadouts in Zombies. BO3 got pretty close to that, but we still had to rely on RNG. Then in BO4, we had a limited selection of starting weapons (can't remember if we could customize our weapons, though. I haven't played it in forever). Cold War was fantastic because we finally got to use loadouts! But something felt a bit off. Could never quite put my finger on it, though. Haven't had the chance to play BO6 yet, so I can't say anything about it. I've heard positive things though, so that's good

[@Raserati7]

BO4 was my first Zombies, and now i played BO3, IW, WW2 and Cold War and i like them all 😅

[@vultur311]

I cant play the new one for 5 minutes, not for me. The older one could be played for hours

[@arizonadrama]

Facts I feel like they adding a lil too much, those sleepless nights on the original zombies was amazing man lol.

[@vultur311]

@arizonadrama they could just add new maps on a Black Ops 1 engine and it would sell more than this shit. Sometimes more modern isn't necessarily better

[@Usoonthegogo]

I love the content brotha❗️you fr got me back in cod zombies 🙌

[@HankingMySchrader]

I don’t think anyone thinks the old games are bad, people will just point out their flaws when an old head makes unreasonable arguments against the new ones

[@bradbennett1188]

It’s as stupid for a 14 year old to complain about a game they were barely alive for as it is for a 25 year old to say Lebron is better than Jordan lmao

[@mono_lith_068]

About the old point system being better I have something really important to say about: The old point system was there to work on the simplicity of WaW and BO1, the "use smg to get as much points as you can" wasn't A strategy, it was THE strategy, and going for a high damage weapon on early rounds was shooting yourself on the foot. But then at round 10 you would get 10K points only on that round but use them all trying to get the wonder weapon out of the box, a good secondary weapon of your choice, then go one more round and buy Speed Cola (we all know we were buying Speed Cola every singe time after we get our weapons) and a fourth perk of your choice, simple but effective. Then we move on to Black Ops 3 where wonder weapons are buildable and we also have specialists, so now THE strat is to buy the RK5 on round 3 (unless you've done all of the Easter Eggs since you now have it from start) and maximize points from melee kills to open the map quickly and do the wonder weapons quest as early as possible. There's no need to hit the box at all so once you've opened all the map you'll quickly are going to get all of your perks, PaP at round 8 if you have just been efficient with your points and you are not playing Zetsubou. Now that we have a fixed ammount of points to set up and not a random one like before we start to see the problem with the old point system. BO3 ingame progression would have been ruined if it weren't for the quests to get wonder weapons and specialists very fun, engaging and that sense of progression we don't get now from the point system (if someone disagree please go play some good old Der Eisendrache and tell me that points don't become second-nature right after your first teleport to the rocket platform to get your bow step, and have fun in the process since it's a great map). We can say all we want about the new point system being dull and boring but I thing we all can agree that BO6 has perfected ingame progression with the new perk system and the triple PaP. I'm not against the idea of tweaking the point system a bit to have a more fun one but I really don't wish to go back to the old point system, it would ruin the game if we coudl buy all perks and have a triple PaP gun on roudn 13 and we all know that we will be using SMGs on early rounds every single time.

[@JackDiamond_FBOW]

I enjoy both equally. I think it’s dumb to think every game should be a carbon copy of BO3. It’s the best hands down, but too much of anything isn’t good and I’m glad they are making some drastic changes. People in 2015 were complaining that SOE “wasnt zombies” because of the all lovecraft stuff, but now is considered a top 5 map, and I got a feeling that it’s a similar story with BO6. Coldwar was like the WAW of its new timeline and Bo6 is the BO1 of the new generation. We always have the old games to return to, but the series had to change and evolve to keep the momentum going. I love both the old and new zombies (excluding MWZ and Vanguard).

[@thekingofnoobs8362]

The problem for me is it's so warzone like if it was the same maps just with bo3 mechanics with some innovations I'd be okay with it

[@killertruth186]

The only problem for me with the new zombies game is always online part. Like there's no historical and or real benefit for always online when internet goes out for some odd reason or just not having internet at all. Which I do believe that always online is always a disservice to games and users.

[@JackDiamond_FBOW]

@ I fully agree with you

[@JackDiamond_FBOW]

@@thekingofnoobs8362 true. It makes it all a bit more homogeneous and I would like to see less warzone features in zombies, but they implemented it descently enough to where it fits with the mode and isn’t just doing it for warzone’s sake.

[@floopygoober]

i have yet to even watch your video tim but i know for sure. an ending the debate video only ever starts it. and i hope that continues with you. you deserve the engagement cutie

[@coopermelton9754]

Timmy should oil up at 2 likes

[@yungmugel]

A lot of this comes down to your level of nostalgia. OG vs Modern is a common argument in so much more than just Zombies, and it’s always a “agree to disagree” arguments because most of time, neither side is willing to be open minded to understand either’s side of the argument.

[@sbombfitness]

Nostalgia is a useless thing to consider though, it just wears off after a few minutes. Idc that I used to play Kino back when I was young kid after I got home from school, all I care about is how fun and satisfying the game is

[@yungmugel]

@ exactly my point! I’m an OG zombies player and I can’t lie, I’m having loads of fun on BO6, enjoyed MWZ for what it was till I finished everything

[@HappyCaturdayy]

Ending the debate. I’m having fun on new zombies and old zombies are some of my best memories

[@Tuckinthecut]

The perfect way to sum of both parties is one doesn't want to stay out of your bedroom and the other one wants to tell you if you can own guns or not

[@killertruth186]

One side you can play offline, while the other you can't.

[@hultgrenc]

Cold War can be offline…

[@GPODante.2]

@@hultgrencoh wow that makes it better Cold War was the only modern one? Comparing to all old titles being offline? Yeah no pal give up

[@ravensfan7200]

@@GPODante.2don’t disrespect Cold War like that it clears bo4 and WAW

[@valexcx]

@@ravensfan7200Cold War does not clear waw at all, nacht has more personality and atmosphere in its map than all of cw’s maps combined, be fr

[@killertruth186]

@@valexcx Plus, WaW has more bare bones than any other cod zombies franchise.

[@LexnosGaming]

BO1 & BO2 will always be my favorite. I went to college when BO3 came out and didn't play it much. I definitely missed out on that great year. Came back to zombies during the cold war era and am now enjoying BO6. I always am filled with nostalgia when I see things about BO1 & BO2 zombies but when I go back and play them myself, mechanically they just don't feel as fun as BO6 or Cold War. Maybe those older games were just more fun with friends. But I definitely can't play them solo anymore. Just doesn't feel as good as newer zombies games mechanically.

[@LMswimmer12]

Honestly wholesome ending - I’ve also grown up and realized that just cuz new zombies is different doesn’t mean it’s instantly ass

[@xthinkfast]

i think a big issue almost nobody is talking about is how scorestreaks affect the maps, every map since cold war had to have big open areas outside so the chopper gunner & other air streaks weren't obsolete

[@catandmuffins2900]

Honestly, having different mechanics in the games is nice. If it's a new game, it should be NEW.

[@Hack.SignXx]

I was there for bo1, b02, and b03 day one. And then I didn't play for years, then jumped into b06 a month ago. And I gotta say it's definitely got the nostalgia feel, especially terminus. But the pinnacle of zombies was origins for most players from back then. I enjoy the boss battles and new mechanics. I'm going to have to go back and play the gap between b03 and b06 cause alot of it looked fun.

[@saikopsychiatry]

New isnt bad, but it simply doesnt have the charm of the old games. THAT is what truly made them what they were. The aesthetic of the game, the dark, gothic-styled metal, the hidden details, everything. Not to mention the crews! The crews were so enjoyable, so loveable. Nowadays, the crew feels like a last thought. They really added so much. Imagine playing through Origins in Bo2 at launch with default characters who have little connection and barely any voice lines. It wouldnt have taken off like it did.

[@Frozt_KSA]

I feel like the crew in bo6 is starting to get that charm back especially on terminus i feel like they really brought back that OG vibe that was missing. Hopefully citadel de morts will really deliver that classic crew feeling and zombies map aesthetic even better than terminus did

[@LethalKicks]

gothic metal ?

[@saikopsychiatry]

@@LethalKicks styled*

[@peterkefalos7430]

@@Frozt_KSApeople always bring up the new crew in these debates when they’ve literally been in one map and they have plenty of dialogue with each other. It annoys that people just don’t even wanna give them a chance

[@LethalKicks]

@@saikopsychiatry ah now ive got it

[@WutTheWord]

Great video and point to it all. Positive growth is the outcome everyone should want.

[@Thechozochampion]

There is no debate, classic zombies is a million times better than modern zombies

[@DuddyChill]

Honestly, i dont gaf about which cod is better. I just play for fun, thats what games are for right?

[@maloio6425]

Literally no debate bro, if you like new zombies more power to you, it's all opinionated. I've had fun on this new black ops 6 zombies, but I keep going back to bo1 on xbox so anyone hmu if yall tryna play that

[@dockickman7104]

Bo6 is the first time in a long time that I've actually enjoyed zombies. You can bring any weapon you want, but you HAVE to upgrade it if you'd like to keep using it, so it still gives an incentive to hit the box, or use wall weapons. Augments for perks, ammo, and Ultimates are pretty fun & offer some out of game (longer term) progession. I really don't mind the armor system, because its 100% needed considering how chaotic the game gets around the 36-40 round mark.

[@aaron-tp9oh]

why not just buy both and play both who cares which one is better dude why do people gotta say which one is better it just matters which one you enjoy

[@ugfpandas007]

B03 will always be my favorite

[@tmankewl5355]

As a massive Zombies fan, I truly love both classic and modern, with the only one I actively dislike being Bo4- as you put it, the odd middle child between the two. Modern has its flaws. Do I love it quite as much as I love the classics? Not quite. But it's still a damn engaging experience, and I appreciate the way this mode has evolved over the years. A lot of people take issue with the "Warzone-ification" of Zombies, but I actually love that there's so much in common across the COD modes now. If you told kid me playing Kino that one day we'd have score streaks and an actual camo grind? I would've been over the moon. And to be honest, I still am. It sorta conveys that Zombies is no longer a side mode, y'know? We're not just an after-thought, us Zombies fans get to play with all these cool bells and whistles all the same as the MP or WZ players. Some may see that as laziness on Treyarch's part, which, I get it, don't get me wrong. But it works for me, and I personally don't quite see it that way. I can not deny that we've lost a lot of story impact, uniqueness, and overall atmosphere due to this evolution. That does suck, and I really hope they work further to mend that (honestly the whole Dark Aethar vibe has gotten a little stale to me, so I really hope they shake things up somehow). But above all else, I find the gameplay loop to be very fun, and honestly a little more replayable than some of the classic maps. While I've yet to finish the video just yet, Tim, I appreciate your thoughts on this debate so far. Your politics analogy was spot on. It seems the public simply can't just respectfully disagree on ANYTHING these days. Everyone has to take an extreme and discredit the opposing side at every turn.

[@whatafineday_9410]

If older zombies had the movement, the upgrades, and graphics of current gen, then it would be the best zombies ever

[@LastGenRichtofenn]

It already is the best zombies ever.

[@misterp768]

you should have added another categorie: which is aesthetic/atmosphere. Like which made you feel like you were actually in danger, in a overrun place, no escape of inevitable hordes. I think that's the only thing that objectively sets "classic" apart as a whole different game than just the equivalent of a addictive phone game where you try to get a bigger number. I have seen clips of bo4 and further where I was just thinking... Where is the lost hope, the dead end, the inevitable doom. Especially the newest "zombies" where a 100 zombies trapping you is not even a threat equal to 5 round one zombies in bo3 and earlier. Though Bo3 started this problem, is wasn't yet a problem, only in the "end game" rounds.

[@lightningrain3114]

Old zombies was better cause it was simpler and didnt involve eldritch beings. Shouldve just stayed as "wow this glowing rock is really messing our vibe"

[@Thechozochampion]

You forgot to mention the art direction, map design and the unique map mechanics categories which clearly go for classic zombies

[@nKooochi]

I remember when you started man so crazy to see you have one million subs

[@ryan109]

New zombies sucks ass

[@bigmanbryan5510]

One opinion I heard in favor of the new point system was that if devs limit the variety of points that people could have at a given round, the devs would be able to much more accurately tell how strong a player would be. For instance, making the EE boss fights not be drastically easy for someone who was able to point farm efficiently or in the case of a new player having a much harder time when they aren't good at that pre bo4 era point system. While I do love the rewards of being able to strategically point whore every second of the game, I can see how that can vary drastically from player to player if given enough time/kills/rounds

[@SSulley]

Finally, I found your channel again, I watched a whole lot in Bo3 and had to make a new account, and I'm terrible with names

[@kortlandcole4259]

I got into zombies in BO1 and loved it up til now. I don’t love how “warzone-esque” the new ones feel but I get why some people do it would.

[@Dumbosworld]

I’m saying this right now. I enjoyed every single zombies experience including the non treyarch ones. Even Vanguard, and even that DS port of black ops 1 zombies and that pc/psp portable zombies. I enjoyed every single experience. I bought all of them to have fun, and fun I did have and will continue to have fun because I am ok with change. Things will not always be the same, and sometimes we have to accept change because nothing is ever going to be the same going forward.

[@HSizzle1000]

22:28 I don’t think it’s just the quantity of bosses I think it’s also the quality as well. I’m tired of seeing reused bosses from past games.

[@johnnycashfan3398]

Mostly us oldheads want the old point system back points per hit instead of points per kill like the new games does I feel points per hit on a zombie allows you to experiment with all the weapons.

[@YvngDodd]

Exactly that’s one thing that pisses me off, everything is outrageously more expensive and you now get less points. It makes no sense

[@johnnycashfan3398]

@YvngDodd Why have all these automatic point weapons when you can't rack up points via body shots anymore? It's counter intuitive of the old point system the old point system is what helped you survive greatly.

[@Angry-catTV]

I grew up with bo2 so I always found it amazing to play whenever I could and still goes today although bo6 is my new non drugged addiction atm but I love both ne2 and old zombies

[@pigeonseatgarry3934]

My only problem with the older ones as gamings evolved is on console not being able to change your fov make it quite nauseating to play.

[@noodlzzzz]

I still go back and play classic zombies and it hits the same every time. BO6 zombies tho had definitely peaked my interest again and I’ve really been enjoying it. I agree classic zombies will always hold its place in my heart but if we can get a new experience that’s enjoyable and just outright fun, I’ll take that all day and I think we got that in BO6.

[@GiveMeYoSammich]

With how price based everything is in zombies, they have 2 contradictory options of solving the weapon problem. 1: bring back the old point system while leaving in game purchases like pap and perks the same. 2: Keep the current point system with some adjusted critical and melee values, and only make a one pap system like in the older games. Also, adjust salvage to drop more with suppressors equipped from a 25% increase to a 40% increase. That way, players feel like they have more options and variety per match.

[@pricey7297]

I actually like the movement system of the old CoD games in zombies. The freedom of Cold War and Bo6 just removes any sense of tension. Oh, you're surrounded by a horde of zombies? Just hop over this fence or car and you're safe! It becomes this free for all sprint parkour fest instead of a skill of training zombies, which is manipulating the simple AI to be manoeuvrable (which is awesome and more nuanced IMO). In general, I think the sensation of being trapped in the map by limited movement enhances how you play the game and what threat the zombies pose to you

[@BigChillenXD]

If BO6 had the old point system, it's an all timer for sure

[@bingletonUwU]

I honestly don't mind the newer games, I'll just never be able to stop playing the og's more as its what I grew up with.

[@jakegianino5762]

Personally, height for me was Chronicles and BO4. Something about having so many survival tools at our disposal, high rounds were about cycling & timing them as well as managing ammo, but you had enough freedom to switch up your strategy and every match could be different. BO4’s health cap at round 35 meant Wonder Weapons were best but not a necessity to get a kill. Points, AATs, Wonder Weapons, & fun perks (BO4 had 17 of them) made the old games fun. My biggest gripe of CW / BO6 is that it relys too much on sticking with 1 weapon and multiple tiered upgrade systems (rarity and PaP) for the early rounds, and armor, equipment, and killstreaks on the high rounds. Combined with the more “realistic” map themes the scifi and magical charm is missing.

[@ElitePreferredSpecies09]

I love both old and new zombies mainly just because either way im having fun. 1, 2, and 3s zombies were definitely peak though imo. I think what i love most about games like bo6and cold war is all the new movement options, and being able to spawn with whatever gun i like. I like the old games for having you spawn with nothing, so you can build yourself up. The newer zombie's definitely makes it so it isn’t really necessary to have every perk. You honestly just need a t3 papped gun and t2 armor and you could get to round 30 easily as long as you're decent imo. The boss spam in bo6 is real though, i sat in a public match and trained 4 manglers for an hour because of all the regular zombies making it a bit difficult to focus the manglers down. That's about my only major dislike of bo6, but ill probably just get better and it will become a non issue.

[@vernai_]

I feel like zombies is best when it feels less like a mode and more like a world, where it's just you in an old abandoned building with no outside help, and no hope for escape, just to survive. WaW will always be my favorite zombies, its atmosphere was unmatched, the gameplay was challenging and unforgiving, and it felt like something entirely different, not just a mini game, or a separate arcade mode.

[@ExcessiveTurtles]

OG WAW player and hated zombies after BO2. MWZ brought me back and BO6 made me love it again

[@josephtucker7181]

Gatekeeping needs to be a thing on everything to a degree when anything becomes mainstream they become something ruins what was just for "modern audiences" like cod zombies after cold war vanguard mw3 zombies tried to change zombies into something it wasn't to appeal to "modern audiences" cold war did change the formula a bit also but they were playing it safe. For about 4 years cod was trying to push the core zombies players away from classic round base to something like warzone zombies and wtf ever vanguard tried to be.