(OLD) Which killer in The Robloxia : Until Dawn is the best?

[@WaffleMan2K]

AN UPDATED VERSION OF THIS VIDEO IS CONFIRMED! After deciding for a while on if I should do it or not, I’ve decided to give it a shot. I’ve gotten all the footage I need for the video, and all I have to do is edit it. I’ve been debating with myself if I should do this or not because other part 2’s or updated versions of videos usually don’t do so well on my channel, but, since this video got an astonishing 16 THOUSAND views, I guess I’ll give it a shot.

[@ultravio333]

There are some cons for sawnoob though. -Slowed heavily after each attack. -Overcharge is pretty hard to actually hit. -Not a hacker, so you get no support. -Overcharge does not do much more damage compared to regular hits. (52 vs 70 damage makes 0 difference, even in the new update.) -Slowed after using overcharge.

[@garciarodrigueznicolas7295]

Yeah, however he's one of the 2 killer that two tap, overcharge is good if Jane doe heals someone and you want to down/kill them already, and overcharge is not that hard to hit, you just need to have a good pace with the victim and out-juke them, and considering that he's talking about peak gameplay with killers, the speed he looses is totally balanced

[@ultravio333]

Yes. However, John is much better at these then Sawnoob. You can attack multiple times while raging, all doing 70 damage. His attacks are also on par with Sawnoobs, while even having an extra attack. [Will of Revenge.] The only things Sawnoob has over John is speed when heatseeking and chase theme.

[@WaffleMan2K]

So I discovered that in the sawnoob section I accidentally put pros for both sides, so here are some of Sawnoob’s cons Sawnoob’s cons Easily counterable Overload only attacks at the end Cannot corrupt dead survivors into minions

[@siegeofsardath]

you forgot he can’t corrupt

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@siegeofsardath right

[@SlavaVetslav]

Corrupt survivors don't help much anyway sometimes they don't help at all (stupid teamers)

[@siegeofsardath]

@@SlavaVetslav yeah, true but at the same time, I’ve quite literally met a guy (once) who died on purpose to be corrupt, ruined the game, I left. They make some differences but mostly Depends

[@siegeofsardath]

also probably not much of a con, but sawnoob kinda has the worst rage, compared to John Doe and coolkid/tubers, just a lil something to think about considering he has nothing else (excluding indicator)

[@Knuxkles_yt]

Look like I'm not the only one who use "classic thumpstick" for moving...

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Knuxkles_yt yeah 💀

[@10hourburstman11]

w/ you

[@lorenzoarias]

on saw noob: ( i think) you can use overload again so it attacks earlier and his chase theme is called: you cant avoid it this time (by whestlys)

[@Themondaythatleftyoubroken]

Not on mobile

[@Aquaviousyuri]

I love how I’m not the only one that gets intimidated by guest 666s chase theme, he’s like the only killer who makes me feel like I’m actually being chased

[@pathetacy]

i am a diehard saw noob main, and as for their cons, (listed in waffle's comment) I would like to break them down my own way. Easily counterable: if you know how to dodge the counters, or the survivors with those counters dont know how to counter at all, then you are absolutely grand. Overload only attacks at the end: i dont really know how i can break this, since i dont really use Overload alot of the time. Cannot corrupt dead survivors into minions: i actually prefer this alot more, it gives alot more controllability over you, and the survivors. if you fail to stop the survivor getting to the portal, that's on you, and not on the guest minion who can't hit for shit.

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@pathetacy I’d like to say this is a very good embodiment of sawnoobs cons but when you’re talking about how it’s on the player and not on the minions, I’d like to point out sawnoob can’t even summon minions

[@pathetacy]

@@WaffleMan2K i know, and i prefere it that way.

[@LudicrousPie]

I always somehow manage to get jumpscared by John doe’s blind effect 😭 definitely the scariest killer imo

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@LudicrousPie I totally agree bro 😭😭

[@ValentinParaschiv-j7c]

Johm doe always scare me when he comes out of no where I really love being john doe but not when other are

[@ChunkyDogg]

once i had a nightmare about the design from john doe, literally no joke.

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@ChunkyDogg dang

[@moonangel-x9l]

On the first time playing my heart literally skipped a beat when John doe appeared​@@WaffleMan2K

[@Bruciebxd]

3:36 I can finally say that this is WHIRLWIND WASTELA

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Bruciebxd it indeed is. Snappydoodles did an outstanding job

[@Saulbs2020]

Funfact: Until the Dawn is a inspired game by Sonic TD (The Disaster).

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Saulbs2020 I know! Pretty interesting

[@timebinder9345]

I agree if youre putting 1x1x1x1 on last based off of enjoyability, but off of effectiveness? Hes gonna be at 2nd.

[@Sophia-lh9fh]

I kinda love sawnoobs theme but he literally has the smallest kill hits-

[@RandomSpeedCoil]

To be honest 1x1x1x1 aint really boring to play and he is also pretty good when i play him

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@RandomSpeedCoil that’s true, I’m gonna be making an updated ranking when a few more killers come out.

[@Yellotheyellington]

I absolutely dig his new chase theme gets the adrenaline pumped

[@ExoTrooper2529]

I thought Dummies VS Noobs review lmao

[@mummralol1921]

Im a Sawnoob main, and i was thinking he would be the first one, cause he dosen't have something that the other killers have: Corrupted players But dont lie, he doeas have a epic chase theme and a good desing even if it is simple compared to others My fav killer

[@Tired_Rodger]

John doe's and sawnoob have the most damage deal...tbh 70 dmg it alot...even healer can't heal the injury guy because you know...still one hit after hit...they seriously need push the damage down like put it on 60 at least ;)

[@Pub_slayer]

I’d say sawnoob has the smallest attack hit box then all killers

[@lorenzoarias]

i think that guest 666 doesnt get stunned as much as the other killers

[@Rjbryce1113]

I main 1x1x1x1 and for some reason no one escapes my grab attack if I ever hit it unless they're a bacon player, idk why but they ALWAYS escape

[@maximeleninja4029]

If you grab someone that has 40 HPs or less, the survivor will not be able to escape it, making it also a "glory kill" type of thing.

[@Brud82827]

I main 1x1x1x because of his op he is and also his new theme

[@WaffleMan2K]

Being honest ranking 1x1 last was kind of personal preference for me at the time. An updated ranking is confirmed and I will be working on it soon!

[@noob-q4s]

Night-watcher and cool-kid was a main character in "the robloxia: until dawn"

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@noob-q4s this was made before that update bringing cool kid and night watcher

[@noob-q4s]

@@WaffleMan2K Cool-kid -> C00LKID

[@Shuray_official]

Has been updated and every killer got a buff and debuff and some changes ability

[@maximeleninja4029]

One thing I hate about sawnoob is that once you get killed you're just dead and you don't get hacked, making the game completely unplayable before the round ends (and rounds are horribly long in this game compared to, for example, Sonic.exe : The Disaster). if at least they made the option to spectate other players when you're dead I wouldn't complain about it.

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@maximeleninja4029 they had that option before, idk why they removed it

[@user-sussy69420]

i once juked a sawnoob around the 2 small long plates in baseplate for so long that he fell in the middle of the 2 plates lol

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@user-sussy69420 wow

[@TommyHack928]

If you see two bacon frfr

[@silvanaleiva858]

oh yeah btw when there only 100 second left saw noob will take of his mask and be able to one shot ppl also im not sure if he gets an speed boost when that happen

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@silvanaleiva858 I know, it’s really good and i always win with that speed boost. I didn’t include it in the vid because it was a bit controversial

[@haydenweir4452]

Well for guest 666 he no longer has supspace tripmine in the newest update and is instead replaced by a rush which honestly you need to be skilled to use the rush ability and I may seem like a nerd but it’s true 🤓

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@haydenweir4452 the rush ability sucks bro bring back the tripmine

[@haydenweir4452]

@@WaffleMan2K FR I used it in a match and my guy was getting blocked by a damn bush and 4 inch steps

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@haydenweir4452 it also only does 25 damage bro like tf

[@haydenweir4452]

@@WaffleMan2K after giving him rush he kinda deserves being in 4th place just because of rush alone is a massive nerf for him

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@haydenweir4452 yeah

[@martimandre6281]

As of 3.0, 1x1x1x1 has a new better theme

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@martimandre6281 mhm! Can’t wait to make a new ranking when a few more killers come out.

[@JeanCarllos-wv3jt]

make a free actount to change how you looking

[@2fortune]

sawnoob theme REALLY fits holy shit!🏸 honestly sawnoob lore got me tweaking its the perfect one for me

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@2fortune really making you think you’re being chased by a maniac

[@Rjbryce1113]

Idk why but for me it doesent feel like that, all my body does is, "oh this songs fire" *casually gets better at the game.... Somehow*

[@ooixiqing3806]

Now that there a remake,let break it down...C0OlKid place on top,he a bit too op in my opinion

[@timebinder9345]

Accounting for JUST effectiveness and not scariness and enjoyability, sawnoob is gonna be at 4th, think about it, overload is just a worse rage, only lasting one attack, incredibly hard to hit the attack itself, his attack is lesser than john doe's and it slows him for an uneccsary amount of time, only thing good about him is his passive where he becomes overpowered at 100s, only because jane doe got added, his passive is now useful, since it isnt even gonna last the full 100s it isnt even that good, guest 666 now has a rush ability which is very buggy and can be stopped by half a stud, or a see-through object that you can normally go through, so hes just trash now, but hes still a good character in flat maps, and good mobility too, so 3rd place to him, 1x1x1x1 is gonna go to 2nd place, due to his passive that makes him faster every down/kill, he can absolutely massacre big lobbies, his grab may seem easy to escape, but it becomes harder to escape the lower hp you are, so if youre able to get a survivor down to 45-60 hp, then you should be able to down/kill them with grab, and lastly, john doe, hes not very beginner friendly, due to his speed, but get used to it and youre a killing machine, rage is absolutely overpowered and can take down big groups of survivors instantly, and it can counter jane doe's heal (55 dmg 100hp-55dmg=45hp 45hp+20hp (the amount of hp jane doe heals) =65 hp 70dmg(rage dmg)-65hp= ded) will of revenge is honestly not that hard to hit espescially with rage, one more thing about sawnoob is that his buzzsaw makes noise, you know how you can hide behind corners to attack survivors and get a free hit? Well since his buzzsaw makes noise, the survivors will hear it and know that sawnoob is there, which is just, terrible.

[@WaffleMan2K]

Honestly, I kind of used personal preference when putting sawnoob over John. I’m making a new ranking when a few killers come out and this time I’ll be brutally honest about every character.

[@Gnarpy-t5c]

thx now ima main sawnoob

[@darrellelisarajohnson]

NOW IM REALLY MAD 1.JOHN DOE 2.SAW NOOB 3.1X1X1X1X1X1X BC YOU CAN GRAB SOMEONE THEN HIT THEM 4.GUEST THE BOMB NEVER WORKS WHEN THE PORTAL COMES

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@darrellelisarajohnson well, they removed the sub space trip mine in the new update

[@darrellelisarajohnson]

@@WaffleMan2K i guess it's better then 1x1x1x1x1x1 bbut guest still not good enough

[@Eugenekim1205]

@@WaffleMan2Kthe subspace doesnt exist?

[@anarosasison6552]

​@@Eugenekim1205 they replaced the subspace with rush which is literally sonic.exe 2 rush move

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Eugenekim1205 yeah it got removed in a recent update and replaced by a rush move.

[@teukujohanpahlevi422]

Patience, rage or overload?

[@teukujohanpahlevi422]

Patience for tubers93, rage for John doe, overload for sawnoob

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@teukujohanpahlevi422in my opinion: 1. Rage 2. Patience 3. Overload (This is now, not at the time I made the video)

[@juanfraojeda7684]

the fact that sawnoob doesn’t have cons, lmao xD

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@juanfraojeda7684 I wrote a comment about it, it was my error 💀

[@juanfraojeda7684]

Nah, Sawnoob is the best… since they removed sawnoob the best one is john doe but its kind of unfair in my opinion but I do love the dog drakko :P

[@loliemontes3457]

Sawnoob complaint: YOU LITERALLY CANT TELL WHEN OVERLOAD IS GONNA SLASH😀😀😀😀

[@WaffleMan2K]

Once I played as him for awhile, I got this instinct to when he finished his overdrive. Besides, on computer you can end overdrive early

[@loliemontes3457]

@ OBJECTION! What about the mobile players? Most people playing TR:UD are mobile players! Therefore, Sawnoob isn’t that good in general.

[@WaffleMan2K]

@ yeah I’m on mobile LMAO again I developed an instinct but that’s just me (P.S. I’m a John Doe main now, sawnoob is a thing of the past)

[@loliemontes3457]

@@WaffleMan2K im a John Doe main aswell.

[@YulianBenzant]

John doe kill me but he was far away I think John doe is to powerful

[@aaaboo3709]

Guest 666 depends on the map crossroads is the best due to the subspaces long hit box so if anyone goes on top the tunnel they will get hit even if it’s in the tunnel I think they fixed it

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@aaaboo3709 crossroads is removed

[@aaaboo3709]

@@WaffleMan2K oh I meant glass houses sorry for the confusion

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@aaaboo3709 oh okay

[@WaffleMan2K]

Guess what? In the recent update they brought crossroads back!

[@PlayerWithHisEpixPlayers]

I love noobs especially SawNoob

[@NIKBLOX-i5d]

Heres a cons for saw noob When he kills a survivor they cant turn glitched so saw noob needs to kill everyone whiout help

[@Rjbryce1113]

It's for lore purposes, guest 666 manipulated sawnoob to kill his friends, and because he didn't want them to suffer, he kills them quickly and doesn't corrupt them so they don't have to kill they're friends aswell

[@NIKBLOX-i5d]

@@Rjbryce1113 oh ok. ¿But how did you know all about this lore? 🤔

[@Rjbryce1113]

@@NIKBLOX-i5d *comment sections*

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@NIKBLOX-i5d yep

[@huyangquang6830]

give my boy 1x1x1x1 some justice, bro grabs hitbox is stupid, also PLEAS MAKE HIM 2 SHOT AND REWORK HIM 😭

[@Iamvcat]

real

[@ethanwondolkowski737]

I think the low damage is to compensate for his extremely unforgiving grab. You will be killed if you do not start mashing the second you are grabbed. Case in point, I’m able to mash pretty quickly on keyboard but it took me too long to start, which got me killed.

[@adamthedemonhedgefox6725]

His balance on how much grab be insta kill if you don't get out of that grab and intimidating is also good against guest if your being blind by him and lost your way to him since that thing can track others and him man I main him btw

[@Omba-wb3gg]

Just like sonic.exe the disaster game

[@sfsnasa1850]

What guest 666 theme again?

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@sfsnasa1850 they all have custom made themes

[@JeanCarllos-wv3jt]

1:19

[@WaffleMan2K]

Thank you all on the massive support in less than a month, it’s so crazy to see a long form video at 7k views when usually my long form videos don’t even reach 100 views, thank you all so much Edit: Bro is this video gonna get popular and more popular?? Edit 2: at the moment this is now my most popular video at 12k views bro what is going on thank you all so much for this 🙏 Edit 3: 16 THOUSAND VIEWS…. You guys seem to be intrigued with TR:UD should I do more of this content?

[@LudoxDeep]

John doe is the best for pros, i cooked the entire server with it

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@LudoxDeep W

[@LudoxDeep]

@@WaffleMan2Ktty you can freind me Ludoxhack you can deny it at anytime.

[@LudoxDeep]

anyone can ferind me cus im not lazy

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@LudoxDeep do you mean friend you?

[@Turkey_fan_2019]

this is an opinion, and let me give mine, 1x1x1x1 IS BULSH%! CAUSE WHEN I GET GRABBED I CANT DO SHIT BUT IF OTHER PEOPLE GET GRABBED BY ME THEY JUST SLAP MY FOREHEAD AND SHITOUTA

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Turkey_fan_2019exactly bro rework grab it needs better range

[@Rjbryce1113]

If your on Xbox it's impossible to escape unless you have a keyboard as if you only press one key on the keyboard it will actually bring up the escape prompt to escape with R2 (RT) and I never play mobile so idk if it does that on there too

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Rjbryce1113 dang Alr

[@adamthedemonhedgefox6725]

​​@@Rjbryce1113 I saw an F but I was late because on how dark it is for me to see the keyboard during night of course

[@commonwealthofaustralia3059]

Wow. This is a very scahry game. Wy would ya play this? Fahkin' bloody oath mate.

[@WaffleMan2K]

Honored to have the official commonwealth of Australia comment on one of my videos 😃

[@Funnyyey]

Omg its the dang australia ‼️‼️‼️

[@Jandfriendslol5493]

Using the latest updates version I’ll make my own list 1.guest666 2.john doe 3.sawnoob 4.1x1x1x1 5.nightwatcher

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Jandfriendslol5493 nice list, but what about coolkidd?

[@Jandfriendslol5493]

@@WaffleMan2K cool kid was removed for some reason, but if/when he’s added back he would be 1st or 2nd

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Jandfriendslol5493 oh, I didn’t know.

[@Jandfriendslol5493]

@@WaffleMan2K it was supposedly bc of a glitch that involved both cool kid and shedledsky being in the same match but idk

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@Jandfriendslol5493 but, Shedletsky is a survivor

[@AaronRobinson-ut3fk]

John Doe is way better then saw noob Saw noob is overrated as hell💀💀😭💀💀💀

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@AaronRobinson-ut3fk well it’s our preferences, and besides when a few more killers come out I’m probably gonna make an updated list.

[@AaronRobinson-ut3fk]

@@WaffleMan2K ok but John Doe should be in 1st

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@AaronRobinson-ut3fk if you want you can make your own ranking, this is just my opinion

[@fiddlestickz_jr]

Sawnoob for noobs because its easy to play jonh doe you need play good or 1x1x1x1 more hard to play but guest 666 IS TOO BAD YOU JUST MORE FASTER BUT IS 25 DAMEGE ITS TOO BAD my opinion is 1 john doe 2 1x1x1x1 3 saw noob 4 guest 666 0 tuber 83 he not come yet

[@WaffleMan2K]

@@fiddlestickz_jr tubers 93 has come out under a rebrand of coolkid but they took it away for some readon

[@Rjbryce1113]

Not sure but I think tubers is still on early access or was it replaced with nightwatcher (I don't have early access to confirm)

[@alexisalmonte515]

coolkid was removed bc he kept flying everytime he jumped

[@JeanCarllos-wv3jt]

San noob